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[KeymasterKeymaster]

Rennie wrote:

I’ll remind you that there was another forum that got into doing that, by the end they were banning and verbally abusing people just for the crime of submitting an intro that didn’t measure up to what they thought it should be.

I think I mentioned to you that’s exactly what happened to me – personally. TWICE with mgtowforums.com. It was the most hurtful thing… finding a place where I thought there were many other like-minded guys like me… then reading for like 1 year. And THEN FINALLY making an intro. Then the f~~~ing door got slammed in my face. TWICE. No explanation. No reason. Nothing.

“GET LOST YOU F~~~ING TROLL!!!”

All caps. It was terrible. I was all excited to participate… made a really positive intro I spend an hour composing…. and was then immediately shut out . But not only that…. I was IP BANNED…. so I couldn’t even READ anymore. It hollowed me out.

So I said f~~~ it. Why JOIN…. when I can build my own and make the rules.
It will be wide open for everyone and introductions will be OPTIONAL.

It will not be “NO WOMEN ALLOWED!!!!!!”
It will be for MEN ONLY. Period. Important difference.

MGTOW will make their introductions enthusiastically – when they are ready. And they have. We made the kind of place they will be HAPPY to join and we will be happy to have them. The only requirement (and they will get smoked out eventually) is an understanding and willingness to help other men. We have successfully created the first MGTOW forum that doesn’t depend on mandatory introductions.. and “banning” you is the LAST thing will we do. Eeven women will be politely escorted out via the woman’s shelter. We even provide the mechanism to show themSELVES out with dignity intact. If they won’t, then there is nothing we can do about that, and it’s now open season in the litter box.

You guys have made great efforts to maintain this kind of environment we set out to create.

I SWORE we would never be like that place.
Anyone can buy http://www.mgtowforums.com for $999 GBP now.

(For those that already offered. MGTOW.COM is not for sale. We send them over there instead. lolz )

Pretty sure it was AVFM who wanted to buy mgtow.com after we acquired. Twice. (although they wouldn’t say)
Whoever it was DID say:“We believe we are equipped to represent MGTOW media”.

Whatever the f~~~ that means. “Represent MGTOW media?” OK what websites have you produced? What is your place in the Manosphere? Have you established yourself? What you have you created that shows an ability and interest in “MGTOW media”? There was no reply. Of course.

They made the tragic mistake of thinking all they had to offer was ca$hola. Big mistake.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[ValleyFever101Participant]

simplysam wrote:

I would beg to differ my good sir, you say America was founded on traditional and conservative values but you kind of start at the middle of the story and that’s misleading. It is true that your founding father’s had some great values, but it’s also important to remember that most of them had black slaves while advocating these beautiful values.

I’m not sure that one would necessarily negate the other in this case.  I would also point out that, for their time, America’s Founding Fathers’ views were considered quite radical – not conservative or traditional at all.

Only a small minority of the US white population actually owned slaves, and most of the Northern states abolished slavery shortly after Independence.

 

Allow me to offer a perspective of someone who is not an American, you will be surprised to hear that this is the perspective of most people who don’t have the subconscious bias of nationalism.

Strictly speaking, America was never really “nationalistic” in the literal sense.  When nationalism was practiced in Europe, it sprung up mainly along linguistic lines, whereas America didn’t actually go in that direction.

America was created by the genocide or the extermination of the indigenous population and it was built on the backs of black slaves, one sentence more or less sums it up.

Trouble is, trying to sum up centuries of history in a single sentence doesn’t really give the full story.

A lot of early US history (1607-1776) gets glossed over quite a bit, making people believe that America just popped up in 1776 and “was created by” extermination, slavery, etc.  In the early days, slavery was more class-based than race-based.  In Colonial Virginia, there was indentured servitude, which affected whites in addition to blacks.  Some blacks were eventually freed and allowed to own property – and were even legally allowed to have white indentured servants, as well as marry white people.

There was also class friction, as a lot of the land was already claimed and owned by white planters, leaving a lot of other whites as landless tenant farmers or frontier farmers which were vulnerable to attack by Native tribes (although many white settlers also had good relations with the Natives, so it wasn’t a constant state of war).  A lot of this changed after Bacon’s Rebellion of 1676, when poor whites allied themselves with poor blacks – which scared the crap out of the elite whites in power.  This coincided with numerous border disputes with various Native tribes.

As a result, slavery became more race-based and started to increase drastically, along with more aggressive westward expansionist policies – which led to clashes with other European powers doing the same thing (mainly France and Spain).  This would eventually lead up to the French and Indian War (aka Seven Years War, 1754-1763), and the political instability in the aftermath which would lead up to the American Revolution in 1776.

By that time, race-based slavery had already become an integral part of the economy in several states in the South, whereas it wasn’t as prevalent in the North.  This was also the time when the Industrial Revolution was in its infancy in England, and Alexander Hamilton wanted to build up industries and factories in the U.S.  However, Jefferson disagreed and felt that the US should only be a source of raw materials (such as cotton), believing that we should import all manufactured goods from Europe.

But because of a need for unity among the Colonies at the time, they had to compromise on various issues – but the result was that two separate political and economic systems had formed, one in the industrialized North and the other in the slave-owning agrarian South.  The only thing both sides really agreed upon was the need for more westward expansion, which meant more aggressive attacks against the Native tribes.

Andrew Jackson was actually a “liberal” for his time, since he advocated ending the requirement that one must own property in order to vote.  There were also similar problems of all the coastal land being all claimed and spoken for, with still more landless whites getting restless.  The result was to open up more lands in the West, which is part of what motivated the Trail of Tears which Jackson has been since vilified for.

Similar problems were also happening in Europe, with landless serfs and peasants getting restless and leading to uprisings.  The European response led to a rise in nationalism, as well as various forms of liberalism and socialism advocated by the aristocratic classes in order to appease the peasant and working classes and keep them from revolting.  Ironically, it was conservative aristocrats in Europe who first implemented social security, old age homes, and other aspects of socialism and the “nanny state” which are so often blamed on the left.

Europeans also embarked on expansionist policies of a different sort.  Since they could no longer expand on their own continent, they had to go to other continents, such as Africa and Asia.  Likewise about the same time, the Russians expanded eastward, into Siberia, Central Asia, and the Far East.  Germany got off to a late start and found there was very little land left to colonize, as Britain and France beat them to it and got most of the world’s prime real estate.  (This would lead to even bigger problems in the 20th century.)

Sorry to go into such a long history here, but it’s kind of a sore point with me whenever the history of America is summed up in short oversimplified statements like that.  I’m not denying our history, nor would I ever argue that our Founders were a bunch of choir boys.  But when looking at what America was “created by,” one has to look at the confluence of various historical factors, as well as the timing, in order to get a more accurate picture of what happened and how we got to this point.

In any case, right now, America is a different nation from what it used to be.  A lot of people look at the American Revolution, the Federalist Papers, the Constitutional Convention, and the Founding Fathers as being the basis for American principles and the ideals upon which this country was founded.  I’ve always felt this was a somewhat flawed position to take, since the practical basis of America as we know it today wasn’t really formulated until the Civil War and the decades following – once the period of slavery and expansionist genocide was mostly over (although racism and segregation as public policy would continue for a century).

But I can also understand the reasons why many Americans want to go back to that earlier time, if only it could be altered so that it really meant “all men are created equal” – regardless of race, color, or creed.  No racism, no slavery, no massacres of Natives – but every man being free under a very limited decentralized government, along with state and local semi-autonomy and home rule.  No Federal Reserve, no IRS, no centralized police establishment, no military-industrial complex…I can see the attraction of it, although I don’t know how practical it is.  But it’s worth exploring as an idea.

Bottom line is that violence has always been a part of human history regardless of race, ethnicity, geography, demography, nationality etc etc etc. The reason Islam is perceived by some as an intolerant religion is because it IS an intolerant religion, but it’s also important to remember that Islam never had a renaissance like Christianity did. They will get around sooner or later brother, don’t hate =P

 

I’ve known and worked with Muslims from different parts of the world, and many of them seem okay to me.  It seems that a lot of what we’re dealing with, in terms of terrorist violence and extremism, they seem to be using Islam as a mask, but they’re really operating under a more secular, nationalistic frame of mind.  It’s not religious, it’s tribal.  Of course, that’s not to say their grudge against the West isn’t genuine, although the West has been at odds with the Muslim World for well over a millennium, as well as the rest of Europe and Asia for that matter.

Ironically, one can trace a historical connection with the Muslim conquest of the Byzantine Empire, which led to the need for Europeans to seek out other trade routes to the East, which eventually culminated in Columbus’ famous voyage, which led to European settlement and colonization in America.  The Spanish also had to deal with Muslim invaders around the same time, which also figured in to the decision to continue exploring and expand their empire.

I’m not sure it’s entirely true that Islam “never had a renaissance,” since at one time, Islamic nations were probably more advanced than the Christian nations in certain knowledge, such as mathematics and science.  They also had trade ties to India and China, as well as access to various Chinese inventions and discoveries which eventually made their way to the West (gunpowder, paper are a couple of examples).

But then, the Christian nations eventually gained more knowledge, technology, and expanded further, which tipped the balance of power in the West’s favor, while the Muslim World pretty much stagnated and grew weaker.  By the time of WW1 and the defeat of the Ottoman Empire, pretty much the entire Muslim World was under the thumb of European/Western hegemony, from Morocco to Indonesia.  Even nations which were nominally “independent” were still under the West’s sphere of influence and were unable to become any kind of real threat.

So, in other words, after all those centuries of fighting, fending off Muslim invaders all across the southern tier of Europe, the nations of Europe had finally defeated the only remaining Muslim nation which mounted any kind of serious threat.  What we’re dealing with now is the long-term aftermath of those events.  Much of this probably could have been avoided with better foresight, but that’s all water under the bridge.  Now, we’re left with a few options:

1.  We could pull out of the Middle East entirely and let the chips fall where they may.  We can get our oil from other regions of the world and wish Israel the best of luck.  We could still maintain our defensive posture to prevent any Muslim aggression against Western nations, without taking any overt aggressive or interventionist measures against Muslim nations.

2.  We could continue the status quo of management by crisis, putting out little fires here and there before they erupt into big ones.  Trouble with this option is that it gets us too deeply involved in local politics and intrigue – even though we’re falling all over ourselves trying to prove to the world that we’re not involved and that we’re only honoring the requests of “legitimate” governments supposedly backed by their own people.  I think this is a major sticky point.

3.  A more extreme option would be to engage in a more aggressive policy in the Middle East, which could entail a much deeper involvement and possibly long-term occupation of one or more Middle Eastern nations – which would effectively be a return to colonial status.  That may not be a very palatable option, although it seems clear that many of these nations aren’t really suited towards democracy.  Even their own governments seem to operate under the presumption that the only way to maintain order is through heavy-handed brute force.  There may not be any other way to really solve the current dilemma over there, but is the West really ready and willing to go along with that?  Probably not; it’s very politically dicey.  The people are fed up with all the world’s problems and want the problems at home to fixed.

 

Sorry for the excessively long rant.  I sort of got carried away.

[WolfParticipant]

Hi Larry, welcome!

Bottom line up front: break up with her now. Get rid of her. I know, it ain’t easy when she lives with you, but it has to be done. She’s making you unhappy, and the possibility of an “accidental” pregnancy is high! If she wants marriage and children, then she will get it one way or the other. Trust me dude, the break up won’t be easy, but the weight of the world will be off your shoulders once you’re free and clear. I’m speaking from experience.

I have to say that I was in a very similar situation to you. I had a woman live with me in my condo for three years from age 34-37. Like you, I was in a good financial position, and I wasn’t interested in marriage and/or children; however, she wanted marriage.

I told her that I didn’t want marriage due to the risk of losing a big chunk of my assets, and she was okay with that. She claimed to be a NAWALT and had no problem signing a prenup. I also told her that I didn’t want to waste a lot of money on a wedding, and she also agreed with that. She even agreed to pay for 50% of the wedding from her own money.

I never did propose to her, but this was the plan if we ever got married. After a couple of years, she really started putting pressure on me to propose. This matter was complicated by the fact that she was very irresponsible with her own money and was on a path to financial ruin (unless of course I saved her, which I refused to do). After putting the pressure on hard core for a couple of weeks, I couldn’t take it anymore, and I told her in no uncertain terms that I wasn’t ready to propose to her, particularly due to her financial situation. It worked, and she stopped pressuring me.

As our relationship continued, her financial situation got worse and worse. Despite this, I had decided that I wanted a house. The plan was to buy the house in my name only and use my money – none of hers. She was okay with this. However, when I finally did put an offer in on a house, and used my name only, she got all weird. She was with me at the realtor’s office when he specifically asked if it would be in my name only, and I said yes. Her body language and behavior instantly changed after that statement was made. While driving home, she brought it up. She felt that it wouldn’t be her “home” without her name on the deed. I told her in no uncertain terms that her name wouldn’t be on the deed. I was putting 200K of my own money into the house, she was on the verge of bankruptcy, and the last thing I needed was creditors going after my property for her financial problems. I was pretty aggressive about it, so she asked me to stop talking about it, and she never brought it up again.

She wasn’t going to pay for any of the house (or own it), but I did reiterate to her though that she needed to get her own finances in order because I was not going to bail her out under any circumstances. And buying the house would limit any help I could provide, even if I wanted to. She agreed. However, her finances continued to get worse.

Luckily, the offer I put in on the house wasn’t accepted; however, I did continue to shop around. While doing this, I really started to think about my relationship with her and her contradictions: saying it was okay for the house to be in my name only and then getting all p~~~ed when it became real, and agreeing to get her finances in order but her actions were the opposite.

So I decided to end it. She was bad news. After our relationship was over, she started talking about seeing a lawyer to see what she could get out of me. Honestly, I wasn’t surprised, but she did tell me on many occasions in the past that she was a NAWALT. Another contradiction. However, I wasn’t concerned about her threats to see a lawyer because I know the common law in my province quite well, and I was careful to play by those rules.

Ultimately, it wasn’t a dramatic breakup, and I did help her with the transition: I gave her a bunch of my furniture, and bought a few things for her new place. I didn’t have to do this, but I believe it helped end the relationship and smooth over her transition. I believe a cup of honey will get you further than a gallon of gas – you don’t want to p~~~ off a bitch anymore than necessary! And I have never received any court notices in the mail.

[AncientwisdomParticipant]

Vector Viking wrote:

I finally remembered my breaking point! I had tried to think of the answer to the OP’s question several times and kept missing the mark because I was searching my memory for a singular negative event instead of an overwhelmingly positive one.

I had made plans to spend a week away with the gf- and all the pain-in-the-ass scheduling arrangements and expenses that go with it. This was actually the second time I had gone to the trouble to set up this trip, she had cancelled at the last minute the first time and the whole thing was already a nightmare of rearranging (which with work and timeshare involved other people that didn’t even know her) by this point. So the day before we’re set to go, she calls to cancel AGAIN because one of her chick friends was getting divorced and needed a place to crash or some bulls~~~. So I tell her fine, I’ll cancel the plans and take the financial hit on it again, but I’m not going to reschedule anything.

She immediately launches into this giant screaming and crying tirade, the kind where you have to hold the phone away from your head. I can’t even tell you what it was about because I put the phone down, went in the bathroom and brushed my teeth, came back and SHE’S STILL SCREAMING. So I put it back down and went back to the bathroom and took a nice leisurely morning dump, where I had a bit of an epiphany (ain’t that usually where it happens?). I came back to my living room and picked the phone back up, wishing she had reached critical anger mass and hung up on me, but nope! Still screaming. I told her that she can do whatever she wants, but that I’d box up the stuff of hers that she kept at my apartment and drop it off on her step on the way to the airport and that I was going to go by myself and hung up the phone.

BEST. VACATION. EVER.

With the money that I likely would have spent on her, I went SCUBA diving with green sea turtles in Akumal, went deep-sea fishing in the Gulf for a day, took day trips to Chichen Itza one day and Tulum/Xel-Ha another, made friends with a Coati, went rock climbing with a couple of cute Burmese girls that I met at the swimming pool bar, went to a goddamn RAVE in Playa del Carmen one night, (who knew those were even still a thing?) generally had the time of my life. Made a bunch of friends from the US, Mexico, UK, and France, and still keep in touch with them. If that wasn’t enough of an overload of awesome, I used the airline credit from cancelling her flight and spent the following New Year’s Eve in NYC, and went to see one of my favorite bands (Gogol Bordello). So that’s how my last relations~~~ ended and my red-pill life began.

When I got back from Mexico and checked my text messages (don’t mess around with adding international plans when you go abroad, just get a burner when you get there), there was a veritable rollercoaster of emotional messages and voicemails from her, the last of which said -get this- “I’m willing to give you another chance if you learn to work on your communication skills.” I laughed so much, I got to skip ab day that week.

This is such a good story.Did you have any final f~~~ off convo with her, or did you just ignore her entirely?

Resident cynic.

[Robot112Participant]

Guys I want to quote every bit of advice here, it’s so good, but it’s too much so rest assured every bit helps dramatically.

Just a bit more info about me, I have been reading shrinkformen.com for a while which helped me a lot. I will definitely read “Boundaries”

Also, I have an addictive personality, I used to drink to get through this treatment until ten years ago and finally sobered up,  which sort of is when I began to  realize  things are awfully wrong. I don’t drink any longer so I have to face the beast sober 🙂

I’ve seen the kids today. My daughter said a few days ago she said she did only want me scared not thrown into jail. Today she got mad and told her she was happy they threw me in jail and she would do it again if she had to. (Hearing that felt good as it makes me feel stronger about my decision)

I started a diary now, catching up from the day I got arrested. And I have began a plan of action as you have all suggested.

One more piece of information. My eldest daughter left our house a few years ago at the age of 19, because she couldn’t take her s~~~ any longer. (The older the kids get the more control she loses over them which makes her go nuts too) My wife forbade me any contact with her. At that point things began to go crazy as I of course have not stopped contact with her and explained to my wife that I love my children unconditionally and I would never abandon my daugher for nobody. She has never forgiven me that I disobeyed her “order” and has since verbally attacked me every day. One day 2 years ago or so she attacked me physically and I left the home. I went to police to ask them to accompany me to prevent the breach of peace, and picked up my things. I did not press charges as I did not want the mother of my small child in trouble.  I was back the same day…and the hell started the same day all over(I wish I knew about Mgtow then) I should add that after I brought the Police home to help me pack, she never attacked me physically again. Anyway I thought I share this too as it helps.

 

 

My friend supports me always, time to pay the debt and unleash MGTOW/Marriage forum knowledge I gathered on the KNOW HOW.

Like many people here, who Welcomed me warmly in to this website :

Main reason I stuck in to this site was to concentrate my own Life, help myself, and gather the knowledge. Now, Im well enough atlast, in 6+ years. I thank you all from my heart.

Today my goal changes drastically and it’s not about myself anymore.

 

… It’s the third time I hear how destroyed my friend is. Over the phone this time. Just an hour ago. This “condition” worsens day by day, I can feel it when we have time together, as friends, doing our usual “nothing”.

Third time is enough.

 

1. Good thing: marriage/divorce laws in Latvia are still generally, gender neutral. Im researching it right now on official site. No BS, all 2014+fresh data. It’s still not Canada or USA.

Overall my summation: It’s a question of Evidence gathered, Who Initiates the divorce and a Lawyer.

To initiate the divorce for a marriage that is less then 3 years long, from 1 side (no need for second person) If It’s a case of Economical, Psychological (in our “case” both), Physical and/or Sexual violence. (which I still have to ask about and read more in to).

That’s the evidence I will ask for my friend to start on calmly, gathering. It will take time for him, but will be a goal/help to get out.

 

This gives a good chance to go out for my friend clean as f~~~. Its only a question of what my friend sees for his child’s future.

I will speak to him personally tomorrow and post more in here.

 

2. Generally : what you get in to marriage with, is what you get when you get out.

Each parent pays to the child 25%-30% of minimum wage. That’s it. If the wife gets the child, and want’s more money >> by that time we will hopefully have evidence, she can’t be trusted with cash from husband, and needs to work herself and become responsible with spending her money. It will take time and is our main card (economical violence). Our second card is evidence for psychological violence.

 

3. Plan of action:

– Remain Calm, it’s a game that will take some time. Coldblooded and Logical.

– Learn the laws, the material etc. prepare emotionally aswell.

– Keep appearance, support the masquerade. a Queen will not expect the payback.

– Gather checks (of wife’s economical violence towards husband – he earns 100% family money, 1200EU, she spends 400EU in just few days on just, S~~~, for herself. That was the wake up call for me and him today. Divorce. Must. Be. Done.)

– Gather video/audio/sms (psychological violence towards husband )

– Gather any other evidence.

– Initiate the Divorce First. He is a psychological and economical victim to her Ego. check for a good lawyer.

– With all the evidence over 1-2 years, it must work.

4. She will antagonize the child (girl) and make the Father (who pays it all) the EVIL. It’s a question of when. That’s why I see no reason for the marriage to stay. It will get destroyed eventually by her.

5. If My friend will not divorce her, she will leech him for 20+ years until she is fed up or divorce sooner.

His physical, psychological condition will drastically change for the worst. With no support from his Family, Mother, Father and other friends, he will be done 8+ years from now. I fear the worst as I write this.

6. She is an oblivious Spender. She likes the CASH. She doesn’t know or care on how he feels. She ignores how he feels. That will be her downfall.

8. The Child is a tool for her to don’t do s~~~ and spend money instead. (economical violence against the husband). It p~~~ed me since Day 1.

9. We can’t even count on his family help sadly, for this. His father is spineless imho, and Mother is a witch towards my friend, this days more then before as she got older, she becomes more of a bitch. He makes gifts to his family and supports them and gets s~~~ back.

 

Im still thinking over all the details on what I must deliver.

He called me today, he sounded annihilated by marriage, we talked stuff over. I will deliver the ideas tomorrow to him, in person.

I will report In back, If there is anything else you guys can help me out with, please share. I will be happy even for general encouragement.

 

Thank you all and this Forum. I hope I can help my friend at least by motivating him to GET OUT.

Your’s EXO.

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[KeymasterKeymaster]

No contact / cutting it off abruptly is very painful. You think you can’t handle it, but if you’re determined (and don’t ever cave on the decision), it’s FANTASTIC – and you’ll realize it very quickly.

If you will permit me to make a joke here: “Long distance relationships” CAN work…. if you bang other people.

But putting my serious face on for a moment, DO NOT communicate – or establish / cultivate “relationships” – with women electronically. I swear to Christ, men (including myself! because I did it too!) should be beaten over the head with the baseball bat of reality for that. Figuratively of course. I couldn’t be more emphatic about it.

Under no circumstances is it beneficial for you. Women LOVE it, because they want to be able to choose from THE LARGEST pool of available men , including digital “friends”, orbiters and whatever idiot is stupid enough to hang online for hours at a time with her. Women are for hair to smell, boobs to enjoy and not wasting countless hours of chatting online.

Many times they will sit and chat with you because they are “bored”. But they aren’t really “bored”. They are BORING….. and can’t even entertain themselves without expecting YOU to do it for them.

Remind yourself: In all of human history it was NEVER possible to chat with women online. It’s simply not natural. It also lowers her respect for you. The longer she keeps you online and in a “long distance relationship” the less you are unable to do anything really productive – including having some FUN and getting some trim, or building your business.

GIVE HER THE GIFT OF MISSING YOU.

“She wants marriage and children”. But does she want marriage and children WITH YOU??? I can’t even tell you the % of women who say “I’m ready to get married now”… or “I really want to be married” while having no prospects, no boyfriend, and no man is proposing. This, to me, is one of the most whacked and stupid things I hear women say ALL THE TIME. They clasp their hands together and announce that they want marriage and kids too some non-existent phantom, and they haven’t even met the guy yet. That reduces any man down to ATM, sperm donor and human wallet. Doesn’t matter WHO he is, just as long as she gets her goddam wedding.

You know how many women wanted to marry me? Probably 13-15 I could have married – at least pushed for the subject and discussion. Many of them married someone else. A man will go through 100 women and not be able to find a single, marriagable one. It’s not unusual for a woman to want to marry ONE boyfriend….. then the NEXT one…. then the very NEXT one…. then the very NEXT one. Doesn’t anyone else find that so odd? I have seen women marry someone else – after it didn’t work with me. How the f~~~ is that possible? Men don’t date one girl who they want to marry… and if it doesn’t work out with her, he will marry the very next one – unless females are so far apart and infrequent in his life that he will sign a life contract to which ever one will have him.

So when a woman says “I want marriage and children….” wait for her to finish the sentence. If she finishes it with “… with YOU”, then you have something to think about it. But stating “I want marriage and children” is not enough for you to run over there and make her dreams come true. It’s not your responsibility to give a woman whatever she wants. Beginning a sentence with “I want” is not NEARLY enough.

I can think of 3 women who have stopped at NOTHING to keep me chatting with them online. They wanted e-lationships while they weren’t around. NO. See me personally, or don’t see me at all. It’s policy now, and the reason its policy is because I have been you. I have been the “long distance relationship” guy who got suckered into chatting with chicks online when geography didn’t permit personal interactions. But ONE in particular was the final straw. She worked the guilt because I didn’t want to chat online. So I stuck with it to appease her … and then one day….. BOOM. She was gone. No explanation. Nothing.

What a c~~~. BEGGING me to continue for hours a week to “keep our relationship alive”… and then GONE.
That’s the day I was done with that. And I knew it was wrong at the time!!!

No e-lationships with women online. I don’t care if we are f~~~ing like rabbits and she has to go to another city for a month. She can miss me for a month.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[KeepQuietParticipant]

Human existence is a little more complicated then that of the mouse experiment. I could say I related a lot to what the beautiful ones had represented. This world was not of my creation nor did i have a choice to come to it but everything is the way it is either way. No matter the generosity, kindness, empathy and whatever i had to offer was of little value to the opposite sex let alone the same sex. When everyone always has some other agenda to fulfill you start to wonder where you really fit in all of this. Example as when all societal expectations are filled there begins a fall out.

My behavior has changed, changed because i could not find any answers where ever i had looked. Disappointment over such a long period of time changes you. Lowering your standards or just making due without. Getting used to nothing. Enjoying that nothing is what you were destined to be. I had only hoped that the longer i push the long i fight and the longer i work that i could find a solution to most simplest of problems. Though that would not be the case.

There are problems between the sexes. It’s only apparent on this side though. The boy behind the toy shop glass who has no idea what the future hold’s for him. People comment on that this approach is like turning your back on humanity. For how long do men live with their own value stripped from them. For how long do they need to loath themselves and question what the f~~~ is wrong with them. How long do we need to wait in this prison of an empty existence

Forgive me for my post’s  they are more rants and disorganized thoughts. There is way too many things to go over without going insane, where your thoughts might get through to someone else who can also relate in some way.

I am a bi racial chinese/french mix with a very rocky background of racial and economic turmoil growing up in the developing north eastern america. From moving around between asia and america and going through different schools its hard to explain why i am here typing this out. I can’t say im sick of it all because it would be an understatement. I’m furious but in a world confined to itself. The amount of control needed to just stay calm and move along even though the world inside you is crumbling brick by brick. The most enjoyable things you value you yourself for are being written off left and right as insignificant. I could only imagine what kind of person i would be if i wasn’t treated like an unnecessary piece of human waste.

It’s only human to think that gratitude and being thankful for the generous act of others would carry true. This world that had a special place in my heart that slowly died. That the ideas in my head were the only thing’s that could get me through the unbearable constant nothing that i experienced day in day out. The nothing that i had grown to love that it would surely humor me because it was all the same everyday. No matter how many different people you interacted with over the course of many years.  I had thought i was dealt a s~~~ty hand. This unstoppable impossible rat race.

How much does it take to get the pressure off your chest your mind and your spirit. How much conviction do you need to go against your own biological needs. How much do you need to sacrifice to validate your own existence as a human when your biological counterpart wasn’t designed in anyway shape or form to do just that but that is what we feel we need. Or at least at this end that the world around me was so dark due to my mother that i thought maybe i could find one who would think of in a new light.

How many dead ends do you need to get too until you take that dry course and irritating red pill. That you are finally aware of what the world around you see’s you as. That your thoughts, happiness, dream’s , ect ect ect are of no importance to this world. I have worked most of my life behind a black jack table grinding away to make that block of cheese that much bigger. To what end? Growing up in poverty to be treated as less  than s~~~ to working and finally having something in this world to be compared to some much fatter rat who has it all and then some.

Where are we going? No one really knows. Well most have a pretty good idea of what’s to come but they jumped ship. That there really is no incentive to care about  things they aren’t necessarily needed for. That the qualities they find most valuable to them have been written off like it isn’t human to be compassionate or empathetic or generous ect ect.

When it comes to rat’s or mice and what not how far can you go to really stand out between a civilization of them when there are very few qualities to distinguish them as unique. Where as the beautiful ones are the ones who stood out the most. We can still make choices in this world as humans. It’s not like we really wanted to opt out. We have no other choice then to disappear, slip out the back, jump ship, ghost.  No one listens anyways. You could be the ambassador of truth yet people will think you are a master bull s~~~ artist.

We want change. Change for the better in a world that only knows how to take. We grow silent because what little we ask for is always heard on deaf ears. The masses cant understand you. You can speak our language all you want but we don’t actually have to listen. Let me just brush myself under the carpet so you can forget i was even there.

I wonder if any of us are all that happy? How could they when they could care less about how anyone else feels.

 

And again forgive me for how disorganized it is but i dont do this often. I have tried to make it somewhat understandable to a certain degree. I have observed my surroundings for many years thinking i could get a better grasp of things only to find myself completely out of orbit.  Off to some other planet because this one doesn’t give a rat’s ass about me.

 

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaginoplasty

Im sure many of you have heard of this, but its news to me. So chicks that have had their pussy stretched out by too many c~~~s can have this pussy “face lift” now? F~~~ing sick!

The only procedure worse is when they replace the layer of skin to make it appear as though shes still a virgin. Had the unfortunate experience of hearing this from some slut I was banging and she was talking about one of her slut friends who planned on doing this when she FINALLY settled down, in order to DECIEVE her husband to be. Both muslims.

Resident cynic.

Hey guys. So, I currently have a Dell desktop and while it is still in great condition (purchased about 3 and a half years ago), I’m trying to really go my own way and do more of what I want to do with my life, specifically emphasizing me finally working more on my writing and drawing and creating some digital comics, which I sadly can’t do so much of as I’m constantly moving around during the day and the desktop can’t come with.

Ideally, I’d also eventually get a drawing tablet of some sort and maybe some recording equipment for making music, probably also do the occasional movie-watching on it. I’m thinking of just gutting my desktop and using the hard drive (1 TB) for backing up/excess data.

Additionally, I plan on returning to school in the fall so I’ll need it for my classes. My co-worker, who is in school for some sort of network security, recommended a Lenovo. I’m kind of basic when it comes to tech; a little above your average user because I pay attention when I’m working on s~~~ but not nearly as useful as I’d like to be. I was wondering what you guys “in the know” would recommend.

Im sure the vast majority of you are familiar with this phenomenon. My question is: what do you think (psychology) would drive a man to desire such a relationship? Its f~~~ing bizzare. Ive met couples like this, and there is something to say for being the “other” guy she wants to f~~~ while her husband knows (free pussy, FINALLY having a woman put out easily to you with zero effort) essentially a role reversal of dealing with modern bitches.

But the “husbands” motivations? The closest approximation to an explanation Ive ever heard of self made male derogation was from an escort I met. I will NEVER forget that conversation…Young, beautiful, 20 something girl. Found her on back page (or some s~~~, I dont recall)..She told me older, CEO types would call, book an appointment, and pay $2K for HER to p~~~ on HIM! I inquired as to WHY would any man do this. Her reply: they are men in power and NEVER have people question or abuse them, in any sense of the word.

 

I would NEVER want, let alone PAY for a woman to do such a thing, and I cant IMAGINE getting off seeing my wife f~~~ed by another dude. Is the cuckold phenomenon something new that is a result of womens lib? Or how do you explain these mens behavior? Its f~~~ing nuts to me.

Resident cynic.

[FIDKParticipant]

The endgame is here, I believe.

I was about to get some good references, but found something to complain about…

Do a Google search for “jobs statistics women” and compare the results to “jobs statistics men”  .  It could be a good thing to show one’s buddies when they do not “get it” immediately. Slowly, they will see the need for mgtow.

But, I digress. Endgame… Imagine a forward-looking Soviet leader back when they existed. He ignored 5 year plans and thought out the final end game for the United States. I suspect he would be very happy with how things turned out. He planned for:

• State control of Marriage and Family
• Turn the education system from top to one of the lowest in the developed world.
• Dismantle the Space program.
• Bankrupt the U.S. by spending too much on military and empire.
• Increase the number of poor to foment revolt.
• etc.

“LOL in 30 years Americans will envy our freedom!”

Unfortunately for him, the Soviets did not last long enough to see their glorious plan unfold. Their comrades in Red China did carry the torch, for them.

Endgame: I predict Hillary is elected president ( no longer to be capitalized ) and will start a huge war to thin out our ranks. There will be draft avoidance coupons (DACs) auctioned off to the rich to help pay for the girl orphans left behind. These will trade on Wall Street and be swapped back and forth into another trillion dollar bubble.

 

 

 

 

Mighty big thanks for you guys being here!

Just wanted to do the brief intro. Been out of relationships for about 5 years (a few offers but I just can’t do it anymore). The majority of my relationships have involved her feeling she can’t live without me. 6 months to a couple o years later, deciding she needs to live without me. Finally, 6 months after that (without exception) deciding she was wrong to leave me and wants to come back. Needless to say they’re all very p~~~ed off when I say NO!

I currently work in a female dominated industry (got heaps of stories). Working there has been my greatest awakening. I’m a kind, friendly and generous person by nature. But a couple of years in that industry have taught me to be guarded, cold and selfish. Don’t get me wrong, I do get along with the women there, but just always on guard for when they’ve decided, for example, the other day, (mid morning) she’s decided she’s done enough work this morning and needs to kick up a stink to shift the blame to someone, because (in her enraged opinion) they’re not doing enough work. All this emotional explosion just so she can justify doing nothing the rest of the day. For all her devious planning and emotional outburst to get out of doing work, gotta wonder if it’s just easier to do the work! The final irony being, the one woman trying to get out of doing physical work will go out jogging for an hour after work! Then complain bitterly cos she still thinks she’s fat!… stories… I got a million of em!

[HimeoParticipant]

A series (with at least 3 games) where every game is amazing?

Halo 1, 2, and 3.

I don’t think there are any other series like that, yet. Maybe when we get Portal 3 or (gabe willing) Half Life 3. But I can think of other series that come close.

Final Fantasy 6, 7, and Tactics.
Prince of Persia: Sands of Time, Warrior Within, and Two Thrones.
Elder Scrolls: Morrowind, Oblivion, and Skyrim.

Honorable Mentions:
Star Wars: Kotor, Kotor 2, and TOR.
Baldur’s Gate 1, 2, and Icewind Dale 1, 2, and Planescape: Torment. All by the same company on similar game engines.
Diablo 1, 2, and 3 after RoS.
Mass Effect (with the alternate ending to 3)
Ultima 7, Underworld 1, and Underworld 2.
Wing Commander 1, 3, and 4.
Final Fantasy 1, 8, and 10.
Assassin’s Creed
Grand Thef Auto 3+

Awesome games that deserve to be mentioned in this thread although they don’t qualify:
Vampire: The Masquerade – Bloodlines
Portal 1 and 2
Half Life 1 and 2
Any Civilization game.
Crusader Kings 2
World of Warcraft / Everquest / Eve Online
The Total War franchise

This is going to be rather long and it is coming from a 28 year single medical student who has (had) been rather inexperienced with women. I hope it may serve as an insight and allow young men to learn from my mistake.

I met this girl in summer 2014 from OKCupid. Her soon-to-be-ex-husband committed suicide a few months prior going through divorce. Nonetheless she was in dating game and had f*cked 2 guys before me. Slept with both within 1 week of meeting them. To this day I believe there were more men.

Cut to the chase, I meet this girl who is rather attractive and definitely above my league (only in looks department). We hit it off and on first date she shows me the pictures of her 2 kids. So cute, I am touched, while all I wanted was to fool around and didn’t have any plans of sticking around. Being a medical student I was in her city for 2 more weeks and then I was moving on to another city and then another and then another in order to do the required rotations I had lined up at different hospitals. I could choose to do all of them at one place but I wanted to have the best clinical exposure.  I was honest and I told her I just want a “cuddle buddy”. I am not looking for sex, nor anything serious.

I guess during the first or second date, as a single mother, she got the provider/beta (omega?) vibe from me and she decided to put me in crosshair. I was a naive sitting duck looking for “love” even if it came from a woman who in my mind (even at that time) had plenty of red flags. But being rather inexperienced all I saw were good looks and charm beyond words. No other girl had been so affectionate and warm to me. She is warm and radiant with her sexuality, on 2nd date she kissed me (she read I was a beta and perhaps wouldn’t make the first move on 2nd date). She then invited me to her place and I brought dinner. The second night she invited me over, we watched a movie and it led her to invite me upstairs while her kids slept next door. She goes “put it in”, no condom, no concern about who I had been with before, etc. Safe to say I didn’t. Only because I had seen enough STD cases and examined enough vaginas to know that HPV or HIV cases don’t come with labels.

The following week I meet with her a few times and we have oral sex and make out but never penetration. So much of a mangina I was that when my tip touched her vagina once I ran to get PlanB the next day (LOL). She was so excited and obedient taking those that I feel she must have realized how easy of a target this future wannabe-surgeon is going to be. FML#1.

I move on to the next city which is 2 hours from hers. She texts me every few hours while I am away and invites herself over for a weekend. That’s the first time we sleep together. She starts to relax. She wants to grab beer and have fun and enjoy life. I am feeling too c~~~y that no-way-in-hell am I going to fall in love with a single mom who just doesn’t have much of a moral compass (based on the 2 men she slept with after her ex husband and before me, and she admitted to “hooking-up” with 2 guys while she was on a trip overseas to de-stress during divorce proceedings).

A month later I move to next city which is 6 hours drive from her home city. She then invites herself and her kids to this city because “I take my kids to a new place each summer so we can have memories together”. I was naive, I didn’t want her to come, and I definitely didn’t want her to bring her kids. But she comes nonetheless and does her own thing with her kids, and meets me for dinner. I end up forking out $$ for her and her kids. FML#2.

One evening at her hotel she invites me to “participate” in the evening routine for her kids. “Just be there so I can bath them and read them a story and tuck them in bed and after that we should catch up”. Being a geek loser that I was I bring over a list of pros and cons. I assume she is quite serious with this relationship and my conscience starts catching up with me when I met the kids over the weekend. So on the list I have the red flags and everything I assume this woman isn’t the one for me. She goes through the list, is visibly p~~~ed, (I alluded to her being a slut with the casual sex with the 2 men before me but most importantly the careless “put it in” on the first night of us getting it on). She says I have a wrong impression of her. She is victim of her ex-husbands depression, who never took care of her and her children. She hated sex with him because he would work all day in basement from his home business and would only come up to f*ck her. Never played with kids. Painted the dead guy as the evil- wrong-doer. And then proceeded to say what lead to my mental f*ck up. She said, “I have never had a break from guys”. She later admitted that was a realization for herself and thinking it out loud was a mistake. And I would later learn what she meant exactly. We didn’t have any sex on her trip because I am feeling guilty for being selfish and giving her the provider vibe despite not intending on the sucker to raise her kids.

Anyways, the next morning we meet for breakfast and like a pussy I break down outside IHOP saying I am sorry but I am catching feelings for you but I know it won’t work because the kids will never see me as their dad. And I really don’t even know if she just likes me for me or the future big check a potential surgeon wanna-be makes. She starts to cry too and says, “this weekend the kids had a dad in you, more than they ever had a man (hint: her dead ex-husband) be a dad to them”. Awwww. FML#3.

She continues to text me and knows I am hooked. I call her almost every night for an hour. She is starting nursing school at 28, and keeps me updated on her personal life and school life. All through this I was quite distanced from her kids. I didn’t ask about them nor cared for them much apart from the random updates she offered and I gave my opinions on things if asked.

She starts hinting that I meet her parents about 2.5 months in the “relationship”. I confess to this girl that I love her around 3 months into this. For me she was my first love, I am euphoric. Around this time, I am also preparing for a big exam that determines what a medical student can get in to for residency (i.e. family medicine, surgery, etc). I ask her that I need 3 weeks off to focus on school and I will refrain from texting/calling and request that she keeps contact to minimum. Naive move perhaps. But she starts sending me cute pics of her while out with a friend, texting me she is missing me. I cave in. A week before this big exam she comes over — brings the letters she wrote me each and every day for the week that I wasn’t talking to her much. And I soaked it up like a true mangina. So thoughtful of her. FML#4.

All throughout this “relationship” we are having sex on and off whenever she comes to visit or I drop by to her place on my way to see my parents. In my gut something is wrong. I know she is not the right one, I know I don’t want to raise another man’s kids. But not being used to the affection and kindness and feeling that she is the one, I continue to tell myself I will never find a woman like her ever again.

I write this big exam and I walk out after the 8 hours exam to read a text, “I fingered myself thinking about you. Just letting you know because you said I should whenever I wanted you I should tell you. Wish you were here so I could push your head down there”. I paraphrase.  I know I should be happy reading this but I am starting to feel miserable. I am being paranoid. I am thinking about the times she said a high school male friend is coming over and I don’t get a text reply from her 4-5 hours later. He only visits after 8pm when the kids are in bed. And it happened 3 times when I didn’t hear from her until after midnight. Presumably after he is gone after a screw. Or I was just insecure mangina. FML#5.

I start new rotation at the same hospital for a month (6 hour driving distance from her city). And during a visit home I drop by her place. I reach there after her kids are in bed. While in bed, she brings her own list of pros and cons for me. One of the cons for me: “You said you won’t marry a girl who has been a slut”. My heart drops. An unconscious slip-up on her part. She tries to recover it by stating a friend of her is a slut, but she is a great girl and she deserves a good man. Suffice to say I just really want to get up and leave at this point. I am even more miserable. But I am so attached and in love – only a mangina can be. She laid next to me sleeping while I was up most of the night. At some point she turns around and said you have been keeping it in for so long, and initiates sex. I don’t have the courage to say no. For first time I felt disgust and anger at my lack of self-control. The next day (and my entire life I will not forgive myself) we had unprotected sex. She is on no pills or birth control. I came outside but as a medical student I should know better. Being in love isn’t enough to risk STD/pregnancy. She asks me to stick around to play lego with her kids. And I did. FML#6

After visiting my parents, I return to the same city 6 hours away from hers. She comes for a visit. I am so confused as an epic pussy that I don’t have sex with her just because I need the urge to feel some control over this “relationship”. The visit is fun overall, we do cute, couple stuff together like boat-paddling, picnic in a park, star gazing at an observatory, and a burger joint she searched for that she wanted to visit. Good time. But during her stay I bring up the whole unprotected sex issue. And how I feel it was a mistake. A kick in my b~~~~: she doesn’t remember we had unprotected sex- not the when or where but “did we even …”. Epic FML#7. I realize now that it was a ploy to get pregnant and if she didn’t get pregnant that time around it didn’t happen. What mattered was the next time when she would try again and eventual get me. All through this (as soon as 3 months in to the relationship), she starting hinting “lets make it legal/if you would ask me to run off and marry you in a court, I totally would”. You would I am sure :\

Around this time the third most important exam of my life is coming up. I finish my rotation and take time off to prepare for it. She texts me about my preparations and I naively say I have taken a week off to study. She said I should come over and stay at her place to study and that I can go to library and she won’t bother me much. I resist but eventually I give in. So I drive 6 hours and stay at her place. We had sex-unprotected. She doesn’t like condoms. “Being in a marriage ruined me, I like it skin-to-skin”. And I was on a death wish. It’s important to know that the second guy she slept with after her ex-husband was also unprotected sex in her own admission. “He was too drunk to put the condom on”. But even the first guy … as I come to find out later was also presumably without a condom. How I know this you might ask? During one of her trips to where I was doing my rotations she brings 4 of her personal diaries-her journals. A note on diary: “I am letting you pour in my soul, I see how you might read them and think I am a slut.” It has everything she has written about her life. Why she wanted me to read them, I don’t know. But I read them. I know it only f*cked me up more. In there was a rather explicit detail of her first night of sex after 18-month hiatus since her separation with her ex. She described herself as a “sex kitty” sex with a man 4x in one night, last time lasting more than an hour before he comes. She states she went to his place just wanted to hang out but we started to make out and before long I was in his bed begging to put it in. In the same context with me, she didn’t ask me to put a condom on. So I assume she didn’t ask that guy either. Reading that I really had lost any self-respect I had as a man, but the attachment I have, she is an angel who got misused by “jerks”. She had the cool-aid and I drank it – like a mangina. Oh and she liked how sex between me and her never involved alcohol. Presumably with others it did. And before her ex committed suicide he was coming to her parents driveway and yelling at her. May I dare think for the poor guy … he was just learning from others what his beloved soon-to-be-ex wife is up to in night clubs with her girlfriends. FML#8.

So while I am at her place studying for this exam, she wants me to meet her parents. She invites them over. I come early from library, talk to them. They seem like nice people. The dad is quite reasonable stating, “Why do you want to marry a girl with kids? You are going to be a doctor, you can find someone without kids. I believe my daughter would best be matched with a guy who has kids?” She jumps in stating how the first guy she dated had a daughter “who was a bitch”. She is talking about a 5- year old. My stomach churns. But I can’ seem to find my b~~~~. She has them. I know. She is so delighted with me meeting her parents that she wants to have sex on her period. And I am happy getting it. During sex while she is on top she doesn’t stop when I ask her I am about to cum. And I cum inside her. At least she is on her period, I tell myself. An hour later I tell her that it was quite fun coming inside of a woman without a condom. And I have chills down my spine writing this … but the twinkle in her eyes, that devious look, I will never forget. As if all her plans, all her handwork to this point is finally paying off. This loser is letting his guard down. She proceeds to give me a BJ right then and we end up having unprotected sex again. She states “I never had such a meaningful sex with anyone, I will never forget this night. I have never felt so loved and cared for”.

I leave to write this big exam next morning. And this is where the mangina learns what the cost of “love” is like.

I am in NYC for my last 2 rotations and being a small town girl she is more than happy to visit me. To sightsee NYC for the first time. She flies down to see me. The night before she and I had a phone call that started off well. But to my dismay she didn’t remember the last time we had sex. Last time she saw me before I left for NY. Last time which she painted as a beautiful memory she will not forget. She knows at this point that she has given away enough clues that would make a reasonable man question her motives. But me? No, in her mind she had me by the b~~~~. And she was right.

She brings a copy of the “5 Love languages”: to make up for her lack of memory. She cries, I forgive her. I show her around NYC. Pay for her meals. Pay for the $115 parking ticket in Manhattan. She never ever offered to pay for anything, ever. I feel like a sucker but I was forking out money for her kids using my student loans. Adding to my already 200k+ school debt. She never offered, not once, to pay for the kids at the very least.

So after the NYC trip, I find out I flunked my exam. I am looking for a way out and I call her saying I failed the exam. And that she shouldn’t hold on to me because I am a failure. She inquires about what I can do and how it will affect my chances of getting into a residency. I realize that at this point she had started to actively search for the next provider. But I can’t be sure.

A few weeks later she flies to NYC again and we drive back together (10 hours). We stay at her place, her kids are away at her ex-in-laws. We have sex that night. She wants me to meet her parents. She treats me with sex right before and after her parents visit. I go back to NY to re-write the exam. And the fallout begins.

After finishing all my rotations and exams, I come back home. I fight with my parents (who are strictly against me marrying a single mother of 2 kids who ex-husband committed suicide under questionable circumstances. Only input I ever got in that matter was that the first guy she was dating dumped her (he himself being divorced) stating that she was being too harsh on the husband by using children’s visitation rights against him. Nonetheless she admitted to a bootycall to the same guy few weeks later because “I believed him, he was right”).

To my surprise I convinced my mom to meet this girl 4 times in January of 2015 and each time she had an excuse not to come. I have personal problems at home at the time and I need to be there for my own parents. But she insists I leave them and come stay with her. WTF!? I find my ever receding potato sack and say no. I can’t do that. A few weeks of ever decreasing contact she states that she can’t associate herself with my family. It’s too much drama. One thing I would say that I am loyal as a dog. It was good while it was to her benefit but not when I knew the right thing would be to see my parents through their own financial troubles. At least be there for them. So I do what I really don’t want to do — I say we should break up. And she doesn’t want to completely let me go … just be friends. Because there is still a chance that I will find that surgery residency. We meet 1x a month for a coffee midway from January to March. I am still in love with this woman and I really want to make it work. But I realize the situation and the odds of us ever making it work — so I say its over. She is crying. I am just numb. That was late March.

Toward mid-April while she is still texting me occasionally, I reach out to her saying I would like to make it work. My family issues are over. She just says that I need to move on and find someone else. She is sure I will find a nice girl.

I text her again late April, she says she is with someone else. She is not “seeing” or “dating” him. But she is f*cking him. And my gut feelings are coming alive right in front of me and I just want to go in denial about this. She states she could never be friends with guys without wanting more — meanwhile she wanted me to believe the guy coming over after 8 pm was just a friend. That in her words “f*cking this guy would keep her away from trouble and would minimize the number of men she has slept with … so me and him will be exclusive and I will f*ck him for 6 months”. No less than 3 weeks ago she was crying and wanted to marry me. Granted I was a cold-hearted bastard and said no, but 3 weeks? It took her that time to realize that someone living in same city and available for sex is worth more than a guy willing to take on her kids and is coming around to marrying her?

I literally have a break down, I couldn’t sleep all night. Meanwhile I was fighting with my parents, for months getting them on board, she had met someone. To her credit, she thought it was over and as a rebound she found a f*ck buddy. But the guy she wanted to marry and called her soul-mate? 3 weeks? I ask to meet her half-way and she agrees. But she has a meeting at 11 (I think it was a date). So I get only 45 minutes with her. I ask her to have a talk in my car, I break down but she says she gave me a chance. And I said “no chance” when she met me in late March. At least this f~~~ buddy (who is divorced, has a daughter) hasn’t said “no chance”. Fair enough, this woman is standing up for herself. And I am being a bitch. She has all right to move on and be with any man. (She wore the scarf I bought for her while in NYC on this meeting, and it was not even cold out. That was a mental f~~~ you to me I guess.)

I am heartbroken and I go to see a friend 500 miles away. He has been a part of this entire ordeal. I have always been open and honest with this guy. That week was the hardest week of my life. I was spiralling into depression. I didn’t match in any residency. I will have to try next year. Of most, I can’t seem to find a closure. I am splitting into thinking of her as a victim one instance, and thinking of her as a narcissistic/sociopath the next. But after being rejected, I stick to no contact. No text/emails/phone calls. Surprisingly, she emails me saying a lot of what I told her about just casual sex with someone was right and she had been thinking of me the entire week. She states she has to find who this woman is by walking hand in hand with “solitude”.

I write a long email reply, all my repressed feelings finally coming out. I feel relieved and tell her never to contact me again. Being walked out on for a f*ck buddy while I had to fight the inner struggle to accept being in love with a single mom, pay a price for my career and fight tooth and nail with my parents for her was a little more than even a mangina’s dignity could take.

After 10 days she emails me saying that I hope I will contact her. She has things to share. Dangling that carrot in front of a wounded rabbit, are you? I try hard for the next 2 weeks to find closure, but I can’t. I call her and she doesn’t pick up because “she was out at mall shopping for shoes”. She texts me back and says she can talk in an hour. I call her again, she thinks I am trying to get back together. All I need is a closure to move on. I inquire about what she is been up to. How is she dealing with our breakup. Part of me misses her but I know I could never be with a woman who chose a f*ck buddy over anything meaningful I had to offer, no matter how big of a price I had to pay. Sure enough, she admits to being dumped after 2-3 lays with the jock. And thats when she emailed me about solitude and finding herself again. I inquire further and she admits to going on dates with men, at times 2 men in one day. “Oh you will so hate me, but I am going to meet a guy for coffee Saturday afternoon and going with another guy to casino in the evening. I have never been to a casino.” She admitted to being on plenty of fish at the time she emailed me about walking hand in hand with solitude to “find who this woman really is”. She cries. She says she just needs a man in her life; it’s not the same as being with her women friends. She says “I know it is stupid, that is what it is. But there is something about waking up to a man next to me. If I give sex, men stick around longer”. She doesn’t forget to mention that her kids miss me and ask about me while she is crying and indirectly telling me what a c~~~-socket she has been for the revolving door of men. I listen carefully. I am getting the closure I need. But I need more for a definite closure. She says she needs time to think about things— she is thinking I want to get back together. Next morning, sure enough she texts me and I call. She says, “I am all in. I am a better looking version of you. But let’s make it work”. I am taken back, I don’t want to. But how do I say this to her? Still my b~~~~ are no where to be found. So finally I admit that I never told her about the girls I had slept with. I had told her about 2 girls only. But I had slept with 2 more, one was a one night stand. In my mind, if I can clear my own conscience may be she will come clean and tell me the men she has slept with. May be we can start over again?

Well, she doesn’t like that. I lied to her. I “ruined everything”. I am “an ugly person inside and out”. Now, after 8 years of college and med school and 200k+ in debt, I know I should have found my dignity and walked out. But she made me feel that withholding that information about my past made her a victim. That I was someone evil. I call her a week later. This is what I get:

-I am a sociopath.

-I am a lying bastard. And she deserves someone new. (I am sure she is already sleeping with a few guy(s))

-Me not matching into surgery is a baggage (coming from a woman with 2 kids, sleeping with any man interested in her, an ex-who committed suicide, being a full time nursing student, having no source of income other than her dad paying house mortgage and living of social support)

-She has her own home and going to be a nurse. She tells me to figure my s~~~ out. Says I am confused and desperate. And to top it all, suggest I should seek professional help.

And that was that. I got my closure!

I have to thank her for being slightly too honest and too short-sighted that saved me from a definite ruined life later. But I believe her testing the waters will only sharpen her manipulating skills. She will not make the subconscious slip-ups easily or give the conflicting hints to the next sucker until it is too late for him to get out.

At 28, I learned something I believe men in their 40s learn potentially after a divorce. I realize there are great woman out there. But for me its back to building my career and learning from my mistakes.

I hope to continue to be a member of this resourceful website. And when I am in my 50s with that Surgeon title and my own money and self-worth intact, I can one day Facebook her name.

And smile.

MGTOW for life 🙂

 

 

[GrumpyParticipant]

I have to grow old, then die. Nowhere does it say that I have to grow up. I get the impression that a lot of people equate “growing up” with NOT enjoying life to the fullest of an individuals ability. I enjoy my life, all the ups and downs. I am living, I guess I’ll grow up when they finally bury me and plant a tree on my grave. Until then…. well f~~~ it, I am carrying on carrying on.

There was a time in my life when I gave a fuck. Now you have to pay ME for it

[Beware the LamiaeSpectator]

Interesting take Bazarov. I made some comments about the Oberman too once on Stardusks channel. No one replied or cared. I fear too that any measuring up to the Overman will lead to comments of racism even though we know better.

I dont think anyone replied or cared because most of them have no idea what we’re talking about. They dont know what the Ubermensch was, most have never read any Nietzsche.

I can’t say Im too optimistic for MGTOW really catching on for enough men to actually make a social impact. This is due of course to the nebulous definitions that are placed behind it. There’s plenty of information and merit behind the grievances. There’s plenty of real misandry and ill will towards men in the legal system but what “Going Your Own Way” actually entails is anyone’s guess. Since “going your OWN way” prevents a proper standard of behavior, pretty much everybody who grants validity to misandry is trying to call themselves mgtow. I’m ambivalent to this clusterf~~~. I see the benefit of making men aware, however, you can get 60 million men to claim mgtow and it really wont change a damn thing because every last one of them is still screwing around with women if the opportunity arises to trade chivalry for access to pussy. They perpetuate the memes that have dug men into this hole we’re in.

Maybe it’s already a given that MGTOW really means Celibacy among other default positions like atheism. I don’t think it’s too much to ask for MGTOW content producers to expand “not signing a marriage contract” to “not engaging in any sexual activity with women.” Men knew 20 years ago how dangerous signing a marriage contract is and the rate has declined, however, misandry remains, the laws remains, nothing has changed. To create positive change for men we have to identify what women really want and cut it off. The last power they haven’t robbed from us is sex, which they are still robbing us of because men give it away for free–but its within our power to cut that off. To me, mgtow doesn’t mean anything if it doesn’t mean ceasing relations with women. Its a low bar, come on! You can go any way you want after you swallow that one red pill. Red pill knowledge is nothing when you’re still sponsoring the c~~~ carousel. And to be fair, what part of Going Your Own Way means continuing to beg for pussy. Make no mistake, that’s exactly what it is in any form. “No strings attached sex” is about as legit as a NAWALT. MGTOW men are still just as delusional as typical mangina men who will do anything for some poon. There simply is no truth in, “Im a mgtow but if a woman will let me have some ass and doesn’t expect anything in return then…” Its a delusional justification based in denial. Women are using men and men allow it.

There are many so called MGTOW who say they’re going their own way but still hit the poon tang. My question is how are they different from any other man? They watered down Men Going Their Own Way to suit their biological impulses. They are the true hypocrites of MGTOW and we allow this because we wont drop the hammer and define MGTOW with a low bar which is “MGTOW dont f~~~ women, period.” Women still own the male mind when you’re still mentally preoccupied with getting your dick wet. Its needs to stop because its both counterproductive and dangerous for the individual and for men as a whole. 

I think it’s comical how the media explains away the declining birthrate since 2007 as the economy being poor. And they attest that when the economy truly rebounds, we’ll see more marriage and a rising birth rate in America. What a bunch of idiots who miss the fact that 30 year olds in mass are unemployed and living on handouts from family–women and men. Nowadays, women’s biological clock is hitting the wall at the same time they plan to start a family. 10 years from now, 40 year old women will finally be in the situation to start a family but oops, your uterus is dried up and your kid has DOWNS.

The ignorance displayed towards our biology as dictated by millions of years of mammalian evolution is astounding. And the obvious effort to spread androgyny and erase masculinity; even punish it, are perverted and immoral. All the arrows point to feminism as the most destructive force the planet has seen since religion. Make no mistake, feminism is the cause for divorce, declining birth rate, epidemics of homosexuality, single moms and male suicide and so much more.

Many accuse MGTOW of being extreme. I’m here to tell you it’s not extreme enough by a long shot!

The only way to stop it is to cut women off entirely. They’ve abandoned their role and duty to this species. They’ve used men’s biology against men. They live off the fat of the land while men die in the trenches. Its not enough for MGTOW to simply be “not signing a marriage contract,” we need to flat-out disassociate ourselves with women; no sex, no favors, no physical contact! These are end games. They are playing a game against nature, trying to change 2 million years of hominid instinct, they are going to fail miserably because they’re perverting the glue that holds this world together, MEN.

 

 

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Thanks guys. We’re OK. Just f~~~ing BUSY. Sweating like a pudding at a picnic right now. New server confirmed for Thursday Will be fully switched over by SAT AM at the latest. Just had words with the guys on the other end. Dying over here more than you, I promise.

Regarding archives. I don’t want to spoil the surprise… but we’ve been working for MANY MONTHS on plan. You will be thrilled. In the mean time.. if you find anything you want permanently archived, contact us and send us a link “please archive this” and we will take it from there. Our automatic archives are in final stages of testing but we can’t run with it until the server is new. So manual only.

Thanks. More later.

PS full metal expo thanks for your email… will respond in detail later.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Dcue95Participant]

Yes, it has improved quite a bit!

I’m no longer chasing women, I feel much happier than I did even 2 years ago (I was in a clinical depression, and had a death wish), and I’m finally focusing my energy towards my studies. I can make plans without having to consult with anyone, and my finances are a lot more predictable now that I don’t have to worry about a woman taking my debit cards on a shopping spree. Oh, and I’ll be spared from the “Jealous Abusive Wife” and nagging phenomenon, which is a huuuuuuge plus.

Hi guys,

 

Somehow, I’ve stumbled onto this website (likely googling something to assuage my feelings after being mistreated by a girl), and have been lurking the forms for a while.

 

I’m twenty-one years old, and I don’t really think I have a spectacular story like a lot of the other guys here—never living on the street after going broke from paying child support to children that aren’t mine (thank God!), never caught a girlfriend cheating on me. But it was only recently, maybe for a year or so now—that is, when I finally wasn’t too shy to try dating—that I began to notice a striking trend about the women I attempted to court: beneath every single smile, without exception, there lurked something duplicitous and scheming. These would manifest in similar ways, from standing me up, from canceling at the last second dates planned well in advance, leaving me to walk home crying; from going from what I thought was an excellent relationship to cutting off contact completely without a word of explanation; and, just recently, making an excuse to cut a date short, and then, via text message, accusing me of misbehavior.

 

When I first started “dating” (can’t really say I “date” with a straight face, since girls usually stand me up, and I think I can count on one hand the number of proper “dates” I’ve had), when I got these dismissals and rejections, I usually didn’t take it to heart, and just moved on as a man should. But then as the years went by and as I started courting more and more women, they would all respond in EXACTLY the same way: either make excuses why they’d just love to see me, but can’t, because of reasons (e.g., have a boyfriend, have to go to gymnastics, etc.); or agree to hang out but then cancel last second. This was a behavior I rarely encountered with men of my age, but could expect it from women. I eventually concluded that women were just awful that way.

 

When I explained my difficult position and my thoughts on women, and how they acted, to my dad (who I should mention pays $200k a year in alimony to my crazy mom, and not crazy in the “lol women are crazy” kind of way, but literally clinically insane, like, institutionalized twice for being insane, whom I haven’t seen for three or so years now because she thinks I and the rest of my family poison her drinks and other s~~~ like that) and to his friends, who are all 50+ in years, you know what they did? When I explained how they treated me, they nodded, and said: “Yup, sounds about right.” They likened women’s avoiding and lying to me to Japanese corporations’ nodding in agreement to American corporations’ business deals but then avoiding them when it came time to sign the agreement. They said that the Americans couldn’t do business with the Japanese until the former hired culture consultants to teach them how the Japanese conduct business differently.

 

You know I’ve never actually been “rejected” before? It’s true. All the women I’ve approached would absolutely love to go out with me! But, aw shucks, they can’t! They always “have boyfriends” or “have something at that time, maybe another time!” (with no time suggested)

 

Don’t get me f~~~ing started on Tinder.

 

“It’s our culture,” my dad and his friends told me. “They’re doing it to spare your feelings. YOU need to learn how to deal with them.”

 

And so on, and so on, everything leading back to the message that everything I did was my fault. And not once did anyone ascribe any blame to any of the women. Not even a little bit. It’s almost as if women can do no wrong!

 

Third year in college, living in isolation, my mood sank down and down, till I could feel it weighing on me at every passing moment. “Remember that when you wake, you are rising to perform the work of a human being,” a Roman emperor once said, a quote that has stuck with me ever since I’ve heard it. And now, just in college, no longer a boy, I felt terrible to not have someone to come home to, to make me food, to hold me (god I’m starting to cry as I write this), to tell me that I’m worth it. I’m a man, am I not? And isn’t having women something that a man does? I see other men doing it, and I’m a man—so why am I not doing it? What is it about me that’s so much worse?

 

And everyone, from all corners, is telling me that this is all my fault. At my worst, I legitimately felt as if I had failed as a human being.

 

Then, somehow, I stumbled upon Schopenhauer’s essay “On Women,” and I was amazed. It was everything I had ever thought, yet lacked the philosophical insight to put into words. And here was Schopenhauer—not some internet theorist, but a highly respected, established philosopher—who, separated from me by time, language, and culture, presented a theory that thoroughly explained all the behavior I had experienced from women, and in a way that actually made sense. It was somewhat of a load off my chest. I’m not crazy! Schopenhauer came to the exact same conclusion! Does that mean Schopenhauer’s crazy too?

 

Now, I’m reading KeyMaster’s replies to comments , and I’m still astounded to find that seventy pages in I’m still learning things. I feel better reading them and sincerely believe that I’m more fit for living in a world that is 51% women for having done so. I feel better, because it’s so comforting to know that I’m not the only one who has been hurt and deceived in this way.

 

I could write a novel about my troubles, my encounters, my feelings, and my fears, but I think that will serve as my mantroduction. I can’t guarantee that I’ll be a regular, or that I’ll even have something meaningful to say, but I think I can say that I’ll be browsing this mansite (okay I’ll stop) a bit longer just to put my mind at ease, as a sort of sanctuary for whenever I feel bitter or need to see that someone is going through the same thing, and to feel that I’m not alone.

 

Recently, my psychologist and I came to the conclusion that there’s nothing wrong with me. And, from what I hear, at twenty-one, it just gets better. I’m looking forward to life.

 

Thanks for reading.

 

P.S. KeyMaster, Rach On. (Seriously, that lit up my face when I read that you were into piano. I am too, but very intermittently and not rigorously. But I think I can sort of pull off Rachman’s prelude in G minor. I’m now working on the prelude in B-flat major. Wish me luck!)

 

 

P.P.S. KeyMaster, on a melancholy note, I want to tell you that I nearly burst into tears in my office in front of all my colleagues when I read your description of how when you were eleven a girl pretended to have a phone call to avoid dancing with you, and that twenty-five years later you did the same to her. I’m not going to call what you did or how you feel petty or bitter, since those words are pejorative, and since I know the feeling that would make you want to do that all too well and have been called such; I fantasize all the time about getting back at girls who snubbed or belittled me. Scars like that don’t heal, and I bet that bitch can’t even remember what she did and was baffled when you did that to her twenty-five years later. Twenty-five years. Jesus Christ. I wish I could give you a hug, and tell you to your face: “I get it, man.” I hope you have non-internet friends who can do that for you. If you can’t occasionally cry and get support from your friends, then what’s the point?

". . . elle, suivant l’usage des femmes et des chats qui ne viennent pas quand on les appelle et qui viennent quand on ne les appelle pas, s’arrêta devant moi et m’adressa la parole"—Prosper Mérimée