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who the hell wears towels on their head in the 21st century?
Muslims from the middle east and Hindus from India wear towels. I read the first book of the Quran(it was very Radical). So apparently in this day and age everyone’s idea of peace is War and Violence. For some reason in this day and age everything is always the opposite of what everyone says it it. Its kind of like with Political Correctness. Enforcing Political Correctness itself is politically incorrect. You just cant correct people if there is no such thing as right and wrong. Political Correctness is the idea that you cant criticize anyone because there is nothing wrong with what anyone says or believes, but to enforce it requires criticizing those who criticize. Therefore those who enforce it dont believe in it or abide by it Which is why Political Correctness is Politically Incorrect.
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As someone who has been browsing these forums for awhile, I have learned quite a bit but have never felt compelled to post until I saw this post.
I am an Arab and a Muslim. As someone who was educated both in the US and in the Middle East, I think I can offer a unique perspective regarding this topic. I was raised in a fairly typical Islamic household, but I will admit- I’m more secular than religious. I realize that this is my first post on the forum (hopefully the first of many), so I understand if some members want to take what I say with a grain of salt.
I’d be happy to address any questions any members may have. I’m not an expert by any means. But based on some of the posts I’ve read here, I think some of the posters here might be a little misinformed about its teachings. I’ll be the first to admit that I don’t necessarily agree with some of its idealogies.
For the poster that said Islam advocates killing all infidels, that is simply not true. Actually, Christians and Jews are considered “Children of the Book” and in Islam, and man is allowed to marry a woman of either faiths. Islam also does not advocate violence, unless it is necessary. Unfortunately, a small percentage of Muslims do interpret scripture in a hard-line way, radical way and these are the ones that you see on the news. But if thinks that the vast majority of Muslims are out to kill people, than quite honestly you’re no different than the ultra-hardcore feminists who claim that “All men are rapists.”
Again, I’d be happy to answer any questions…
I would beg to differ my good sir, you say America was founded on traditional and conservative values but you kind of start at the middle of the story and that’s misleading. It is true that your founding father’s had some great values, but it’s also important to remember that most of them had black slaves while advocating these beautiful values.
Allow me to offer a perspective of someone who is not an American, you will be surprised to hear that this is the perspective of most people who don’t have the subconscious bias of nationalism.
America was created by the genocide or the extermination of the indigenous population and it was built on the backs of black slaves, one sentence more or less sums it up.
Bottom line is that violence has always been a part of human history regardless of race, ethnicity, geography, demography, nationality etc etc etc.
The reason Islam is perceived by some as an intolerant religion is because it IS an intolerant religion, but it’s also important to remember that Islam never had a renaissance like Christianity did. They will get around sooner or later brother, don’t hate =P
OK here is my question. Is it true that if you are caught having sex with someone of your own gender in a Muslim country you and the person you had sex with will both be sentenced to death by stoning under shariah law or is the punishment just being flogged?
Anonymous42@timbannister, I’ve seen videos of Islamic justice, it’s cruel and barbaric what they do. One guy had both his hands amputated and immediately they put his stumped limbs in bags of ice. I’ve seen barrels full of human hands a feet, penis amputations, heads hacked off. To answer your question, thank god their only stoning you to death, they’ll do much worse than stoning for a much less offense.
I wouldn’t want to live under such a brutal and unforgiving law, but if I had to, I’d probably be the last one out of thousands to be burned alive! My lifestyle does not offend or antagonize Islamic law. But if I were under such a law, I would not partake in stoning another person, just like I don’t partake or have faith in this societies definition of law and the endless miscarriages of justice.
People killing people is just wrong! Sometimes necessary perhaps, but never the less wrong.
America was created by the genocide or the extermination of the indigenous population and it was built on the backs of black slaves, one sentence more or less sums it up.
This is a rather misleading statement. Most of the founding fathers wanted to abolish slavery and attempted to do so. Some freed their slaves on their death which was the only legal way they could free them. Others like Thomas Jefferson were unable to free their slaves on their death because the laws were changed to prevent it.
So, yes there were people who founded this country that wanted slaves but there were also a lot who wanted to abolish it. Additionally slavery was abolished as an accepted practice in western nations such as Britain and America decades before most of the rest of the world. And several of the muslim nations still allow this practice to continue.
As for America being built on the genocide of the native populations that is true off and on that happened though more died of disease than the direct killing of those people. I do not intend for this to be a downplay of what happened as I am a decedent of the Cherokee people. There was certainly evil done by various men throughout the history of America as there is in any nation. No nation does not have the blood of innocent people on its hands. When you speak of the Genocide of the American native population you have to look at Woodrow Wilson. That man was evil incarnate, he was an extreme racist and deliberately attempted to destroy the Native Americans as well as believing that black people were sub human.
Willfully turning aside from the truth is treason to one's self. -Terry Goodkind
The thing with islam, is that it has a wide circle of radicals. ranging from most poorest to most wealthy. And that in its self tells us that the radicals are in great number in Islam. And i do agree not all muslims want to kill you! But the numbers that do hate westerners or non muslims is great, greater then any other minority!
I would beg to differ my good sir, you say America was founded on traditional and conservative values but you kind of start at the middle of the story and that’s misleading. It is true that your founding father’s had some great values, but it’s also important to remember that most of them had black slaves while advocating these beautiful values.
I’m not sure that one would necessarily negate the other in this case. I would also point out that, for their time, America’s Founding Fathers’ views were considered quite radical – not conservative or traditional at all.
Only a small minority of the US white population actually owned slaves, and most of the Northern states abolished slavery shortly after Independence.
Allow me to offer a perspective of someone who is not an American, you will be surprised to hear that this is the perspective of most people who don’t have the subconscious bias of nationalism.
Strictly speaking, America was never really “nationalistic” in the literal sense. When nationalism was practiced in Europe, it sprung up mainly along linguistic lines, whereas America didn’t actually go in that direction.
America was created by the genocide or the extermination of the indigenous population and it was built on the backs of black slaves, one sentence more or less sums it up.
Trouble is, trying to sum up centuries of history in a single sentence doesn’t really give the full story.
A lot of early US history (1607-1776) gets glossed over quite a bit, making people believe that America just popped up in 1776 and “was created by” extermination, slavery, etc. In the early days, slavery was more class-based than race-based. In Colonial Virginia, there was indentured servitude, which affected whites in addition to blacks. Some blacks were eventually freed and allowed to own property – and were even legally allowed to have white indentured servants, as well as marry white people.
There was also class friction, as a lot of the land was already claimed and owned by white planters, leaving a lot of other whites as landless tenant farmers or frontier farmers which were vulnerable to attack by Native tribes (although many white settlers also had good relations with the Natives, so it wasn’t a constant state of war). A lot of this changed after Bacon’s Rebellion of 1676, when poor whites allied themselves with poor blacks – which scared the crap out of the elite whites in power. This coincided with numerous border disputes with various Native tribes.
As a result, slavery became more race-based and started to increase drastically, along with more aggressive westward expansionist policies – which led to clashes with other European powers doing the same thing (mainly France and Spain). This would eventually lead up to the French and Indian War (aka Seven Years War, 1754-1763), and the political instability in the aftermath which would lead up to the American Revolution in 1776.
By that time, race-based slavery had already become an integral part of the economy in several states in the South, whereas it wasn’t as prevalent in the North. This was also the time when the Industrial Revolution was in its infancy in England, and Alexander Hamilton wanted to build up industries and factories in the U.S. However, Jefferson disagreed and felt that the US should only be a source of raw materials (such as cotton), believing that we should import all manufactured goods from Europe.
But because of a need for unity among the Colonies at the time, they had to compromise on various issues – but the result was that two separate political and economic systems had formed, one in the industrialized North and the other in the slave-owning agrarian South. The only thing both sides really agreed upon was the need for more westward expansion, which meant more aggressive attacks against the Native tribes.
Andrew Jackson was actually a “liberal” for his time, since he advocated ending the requirement that one must own property in order to vote. There were also similar problems of all the coastal land being all claimed and spoken for, with still more landless whites getting restless. The result was to open up more lands in the West, which is part of what motivated the Trail of Tears which Jackson has been since vilified for.
Similar problems were also happening in Europe, with landless serfs and peasants getting restless and leading to uprisings. The European response led to a rise in nationalism, as well as various forms of liberalism and socialism advocated by the aristocratic classes in order to appease the peasant and working classes and keep them from revolting. Ironically, it was conservative aristocrats in Europe who first implemented social security, old age homes, and other aspects of socialism and the “nanny state” which are so often blamed on the left.
Europeans also embarked on expansionist policies of a different sort. Since they could no longer expand on their own continent, they had to go to other continents, such as Africa and Asia. Likewise about the same time, the Russians expanded eastward, into Siberia, Central Asia, and the Far East. Germany got off to a late start and found there was very little land left to colonize, as Britain and France beat them to it and got most of the world’s prime real estate. (This would lead to even bigger problems in the 20th century.)
Sorry to go into such a long history here, but it’s kind of a sore point with me whenever the history of America is summed up in short oversimplified statements like that. I’m not denying our history, nor would I ever argue that our Founders were a bunch of choir boys. But when looking at what America was “created by,” one has to look at the confluence of various historical factors, as well as the timing, in order to get a more accurate picture of what happened and how we got to this point.
In any case, right now, America is a different nation from what it used to be. A lot of people look at the American Revolution, the Federalist Papers, the Constitutional Convention, and the Founding Fathers as being the basis for American principles and the ideals upon which this country was founded. I’ve always felt this was a somewhat flawed position to take, since the practical basis of America as we know it today wasn’t really formulated until the Civil War and the decades following – once the period of slavery and expansionist genocide was mostly over (although racism and segregation as public policy would continue for a century).
But I can also understand the reasons why many Americans want to go back to that earlier time, if only it could be altered so that it really meant “all men are created equal” – regardless of race, color, or creed. No racism, no slavery, no massacres of Natives – but every man being free under a very limited decentralized government, along with state and local semi-autonomy and home rule. No Federal Reserve, no IRS, no centralized police establishment, no military-industrial complex…I can see the attraction of it, although I don’t know how practical it is. But it’s worth exploring as an idea.
Bottom line is that violence has always been a part of human history regardless of race, ethnicity, geography, demography, nationality etc etc etc. The reason Islam is perceived by some as an intolerant religion is because it IS an intolerant religion, but it’s also important to remember that Islam never had a renaissance like Christianity did. They will get around sooner or later brother, don’t hate =P
I’ve known and worked with Muslims from different parts of the world, and many of them seem okay to me. It seems that a lot of what we’re dealing with, in terms of terrorist violence and extremism, they seem to be using Islam as a mask, but they’re really operating under a more secular, nationalistic frame of mind. It’s not religious, it’s tribal. Of course, that’s not to say their grudge against the West isn’t genuine, although the West has been at odds with the Muslim World for well over a millennium, as well as the rest of Europe and Asia for that matter.
Ironically, one can trace a historical connection with the Muslim conquest of the Byzantine Empire, which led to the need for Europeans to seek out other trade routes to the East, which eventually culminated in Columbus’ famous voyage, which led to European settlement and colonization in America. The Spanish also had to deal with Muslim invaders around the same time, which also figured in to the decision to continue exploring and expand their empire.
I’m not sure it’s entirely true that Islam “never had a renaissance,” since at one time, Islamic nations were probably more advanced than the Christian nations in certain knowledge, such as mathematics and science. They also had trade ties to India and China, as well as access to various Chinese inventions and discoveries which eventually made their way to the West (gunpowder, paper are a couple of examples).
But then, the Christian nations eventually gained more knowledge, technology, and expanded further, which tipped the balance of power in the West’s favor, while the Muslim World pretty much stagnated and grew weaker. By the time of WW1 and the defeat of the Ottoman Empire, pretty much the entire Muslim World was under the thumb of European/Western hegemony, from Morocco to Indonesia. Even nations which were nominally “independent” were still under the West’s sphere of influence and were unable to become any kind of real threat.
So, in other words, after all those centuries of fighting, fending off Muslim invaders all across the southern tier of Europe, the nations of Europe had finally defeated the only remaining Muslim nation which mounted any kind of serious threat. What we’re dealing with now is the long-term aftermath of those events. Much of this probably could have been avoided with better foresight, but that’s all water under the bridge. Now, we’re left with a few options:
1. We could pull out of the Middle East entirely and let the chips fall where they may. We can get our oil from other regions of the world and wish Israel the best of luck. We could still maintain our defensive posture to prevent any Muslim aggression against Western nations, without taking any overt aggressive or interventionist measures against Muslim nations.
2. We could continue the status quo of management by crisis, putting out little fires here and there before they erupt into big ones. Trouble with this option is that it gets us too deeply involved in local politics and intrigue – even though we’re falling all over ourselves trying to prove to the world that we’re not involved and that we’re only honoring the requests of “legitimate” governments supposedly backed by their own people. I think this is a major sticky point.
3. A more extreme option would be to engage in a more aggressive policy in the Middle East, which could entail a much deeper involvement and possibly long-term occupation of one or more Middle Eastern nations – which would effectively be a return to colonial status. That may not be a very palatable option, although it seems clear that many of these nations aren’t really suited towards democracy. Even their own governments seem to operate under the presumption that the only way to maintain order is through heavy-handed brute force. There may not be any other way to really solve the current dilemma over there, but is the West really ready and willing to go along with that? Probably not; it’s very politically dicey. The people are fed up with all the world’s problems and want the problems at home to fixed.
Sorry for the excessively long rant. I sort of got carried away.
Sorry for the excessively long rant. I sort of got carried away.
Please don’t apologize, I greatly welcome the rebuke.
I have, however, a few viewpoints that I would like to highlight at an appropriate time.
As someone who has been browsing these forums for awhile, I have learned quite a bit but have never felt compelled to post until I saw this post. I am an Arab and a Muslim. As someone who was educated both in the US and in the Middle East, I think I can offer a unique perspective regarding this topic. I was raised in a fairly typical Islamic household, but I will admit- I’m more secular than religious. I realize that this is my first post on the forum (hopefully the first of many), so I understand if some members want to take what I say with a grain of salt. I’d be happy to address any questions any members may have. I’m not an expert by any means. But based on some of the posts I’ve read here, I think some of the posters here might be a little misinformed about its teachings. I’ll be the first to admit that I don’t necessarily agree with some of its idealogies. For the poster that said Islam advocates killing all infidels, that is simply not true. Actually, Christians and Jews are considered “Children of the Book” and in Islam, and man is allowed to marry a woman of either faiths. Islam also does not advocate violence, unless it is necessary. Unfortunately, a small percentage of Muslims do interpret scripture in a hard-line way, radical way and these are the ones that you see on the news. But if thinks that the vast majority of Muslims are out to kill people, than quite honestly you’re no different than the ultra-hardcore feminists who claim that “All men are rapists.” Again, I’d be happy to answer any questions…
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Islam is a major problem and needs to be dealt with in the same way as the Nazis. Say what you want about the religion/ death cult, but over the course of history Islam has destroyed far more than its built. I’m sick of the excuses from these muslim f~~~heads. Fact- Islam is a cancer and has been for 100’s of years.
As someone who has been browsing these forums for awhile, I have learned quite a bit but have never felt compelled to post until I saw this post. I am an Arab and a Muslim. As someone who was educated both in the US and in the Middle East, I think I can offer a unique perspective regarding this topic. I was raised in a fairly typical Islamic household, but I will admit- I’m more secular than religious. I realize that this is my first post on the forum (hopefully the first of many), so I understand if some members want to take what I say with a grain of salt. I’d be happy to address any questions any members may have. I’m not an expert by any means. But based on some of the posts I’ve read here, I think some of the posters here might be a little misinformed about its teachings. I’ll be the first to admit that I don’t necessarily agree with some of its idealogies. For the poster that said Islam advocates killing all infidels, that is simply not true. Actually, Christians and Jews are considered “Children of the Book” and in Islam, and man is allowed to marry a woman of either faiths. Islam also does not advocate violence, unless it is necessary. Unfortunately, a small percentage of Muslims do interpret scripture in a hard-line way, radical way and these are the ones that you see on the news. But if thinks that the vast majority of Muslims are out to kill people, than quite honestly you’re no different than the ultra-hardcore feminists who claim that “All men are rapists.” Again, I’d be happy to answer any questions…
get rid of islam and 99% of terrorism goes away. facts are facts. call me bigoted and ill call you a silent terrorist.
You had me at “Muslims”. The most violent, fascist, psychotic theocratic cult the world has ever seen. The biggest group of jackass morons on planet earth. Islam is worse than the Black plague, and needs to be wiped off the face of the planet at all costs.
Their “religion” is one of fascism, violence, genocide, and hate: http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Themes/jihad_passages.html
They will tell you they are “peaceful” with one of their two faces… while pushing world wide Sharia and shouting “Allah Akbar ! Death to America, Jews, and Israel !” all day long ! And where were these donkey face bastards when we were fighting Hitler ? They were OPENLY SUPPORTING Hitlers “final solution” to murder all the Jews !
Muslims are LYING SCUM. ALL of them. They will lie to your face so they can sneak into your communities and slowly impose Sharia. Europe is now a NIGHTMARE because of Muslims… as young white girls are raped in mass and the cops are forbidden to interfere or do anything about it for the sake of “political correctness”.
Americans had better wake up, and wake up FAST. Because the asshole in the Whitehouse is RUNNING ISIS and has murdered Christians all over the world. Obama is a bi-sexual demonic freak who would be MORE THAN HAPPY to use Islam as a tool to destroy the west. Obama has already butchered Christians all over the middle east- ARE WE GOING TO LET HIM DO IT HERE ? F~~~ NO !
They will tell you they are “peaceful” with one of their two faces… while pushing world wide Sharia and shouting “Allah Akbar ! Death to America, Jews, and Israel !” all day long ! And where were these donkey face bastards when we were fighting Hitler ? They were OPENLY SUPPORTING Hitlers “final solution” to murder all the Jews ! Muslims are LYING SCUM. ALL of them. They will lie to your face so they can sneak into your communities and slowly impose Sharia. Europe is now a NIGHTMARE because of Muslims… as young white girls are raped in mass and the cops are forbidden to interfere or do anything about it for the sake of “political correctness”. Americans had better wake up, and wake up FAST. Because the asshole in the Whitehouse is RUNNING ISIS and has murdered Christians all over the world. Obama is a bi-sexual demonic freak who would be MORE THAN HAPPY to use Islam as a tool to destroy the west. Obama has already butchered Christians all over the middle east- ARE WE GOING TO LET HIM DO IT HERE ? F~~~ NO !
great post, brother!
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