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This is a silly question, but are there any youtubers that explain mgtow correctly? apparently sandman is not good, any recommendations?
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it"
Anonymous42I did not care much for sandman either. I recommend TruthOverEverything, bar bar, and askluimarco if you are talking about MGTOW specifically. Sotomayor and Tom Leykis are good, too, but cover different topics and Tom has been around for a while.
I did not care much for sandman either. I recommend TruthOverEverything, bar bar, and askluimarco if you are talking about MGTOW specifically. Sotomayor and Tom Leykis are good, too, but cover different topics and Tom has been around for a while.
Don’t forget Stardusk/ Thinking ape-tv!
You can also read philosophical material that isn’t directly related to mgtow. After all, philosophy can be quite flexible in some instances, and knowledge that doesn’t seem to be “hardcore mgtow stuff” might get useful to you sometime.
Enjoy!
It is a common failing of childhood to think that if one makes a hero out of a demon the demon will be satisfied.
I like the Stoics from ancient Greece and Rome. Here is a not necessarily Stoic YouTube channel devoted to the philosophy of MGTOW:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZrMKcDNPruX8ltP0Y0pOTw/videosSociety asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?
RazerBladeKandy2. He can’t speak so his videos are all text-to-voice, and some of his vids can be pretty long. But he’s funny and very insightful. Definitely worth watching.
MGTOW And Overlapping Philosophies (Aristotelianism/Objectivism/Libertarianism And More!) TruthOverEverything
Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?
Don’t forget Stardusk/ Thinking ape-tv!
ManWomanMyth on JockeVXO
Thanks for the video Roydal. That was an awesome video. I like that guy.
This is a silly question, but are there any youtubers that explain mgtow correctly?
There may be many competing interpretations of what ‘MGTOW’ means. Movements are notoriously difficult to define clearly (e.g., existentialism). We do not have a ground from which we can simply judge someone’s interpretation as being “correct” in this case. It is up to you to decide which one is “correct” for your life by evaluating the arguments of the various interpretations. If other respectable men do the same, then we can compare our notes, focus on our common beliefs and desires, while acknowledging our differences, and then define MGTOW pragmatically. Let’s not forget that the MGTOW label is a human creation; it is a label to suit our purposes.
This is a silly question, but are there any youtubers that explain mgtow correctly? apparently sandman is not good, any recommendations?
I am thinking there are several schools of thought regarding it. What you pick is going to end up being what works for you. Some that come to mind:
* The school of thought of what a man is (and what a woman is in relations to the man). This school of thought would end up being concerned about the future of humanity, and what makes a man a man. It is much more on the M side of things. Going Your Own Way seems less than this. Traditionalists and conservatives would be here. You can see in this, that PUA will be here, and still an interest in getting a woman… on one’s own term.
* A focus on Going Your Own Way more than what a man is. Objectivists, non-conformists, etc… would be here in this. The idea is personal empowerment in life, and it very likely will mean avoidance of women to some degree. I believe strongly going one’s own way will end up undermining said “give and take” in relationships. That can be a good though.
* The path of the monk/monastic. I say this one as a separate one that the Going Your Own Way, because this path, which I can be seen on, is more interest in finding the best way, than pumping up my ego that I am a “real man” or that I did it on my own. I just happen to end up needing to not follow social norms, but am up for following tradition, and am less interest in my own identity than doing what is right. I use monk/monastic here, because I am up for tradition. With this one, I don’t really care to impress anyone.
Those are at least 3. I think what you need to do is find what works for you. I would say, eventually, you make your own philosophy and tweak it as needed.
"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.
In my opinion, the only real MGTOW Youtube Producer is Stardusk.
MGTOW is just a label. Im not upset but the label means nothing now as it has been completely watered down time and time again. Now it has no value because no matter what a man is doing, he seem to qualify as MGHOW.
They try to make it a standard definition…..MGTOW= Will never marry.
But marriage was a broken and declining institution 15 years ago. Men are still simps, Men are still white knighting. Men are still being manipulated in to putting on a good act or providing resources, energy and time to get pussy. Theres still live-in girlfriends, theres still common law marriage. You still get nailed with child support, You still catch STDs, you still get abused and accused.
The only real solution isn’t “I will never get married”
MGTOW to me means CELIBACY and staying away from women. If enough men do it, women learn that their manipulation with their vagina has stopped working. This brings the demand for dick back up, restoring honor and respect to men, then the value of vagina will drop from its Holy Throne and get right back where it belongs, lower than men. This is how you use their own weapons against them. The last leverage we have is continually being handed over to women for nothing. Even MGTOW are doing this, that’s why this movement is going nowhere (not that we want it to go anywhere, as a real mgtow Ive been celibate for two years and couldnt give a f~~~ if wannabe MGTOWs still date—they will get whats coming to them.
Casual sex, one night stands, dating, living with women and marriage are antithesis to MGTOW and the MGHOW. They keep trying to let the standard drop a little at a time to “let more people in” as if they have arrived anywhere.
The truth is that being woken up and informed by MGTOW producers means nothing. Just because you know the ropes doesnt make you MGTOW because you still play the game, so you havent taken any red pill.
Its sad to me, because we’ll never defeat misandry and force women to start respecting us and standing by us and loving us if we keep giving up c~~~ for nothing. Every woman knows she can get laid at the drop of the hat, why would they respect men? We brought this on ourselves for not controlling our biological instinct to fornicate. Refuse sex to women! They want dick, they need sex and its the only thing they haven’t stolen from us through manipulation, legislation and shaming. Well, thats not true, they are manipulating and stealing that.
Have some f~~~ing respect for yourselves, if you cant, atleast have some f~~~ing respect for men at large who suffer because you continually sponsor the c~~~ carousel and train women to keep abusing men. You sanction their misbehavior. Quit acting like celibacy is bad. Its nothing to us! We already go months on end trying to get some ass, think of all the time and energy being wasted. Just rub one out in the shower and ignore these attention craved greedy whores. Go Your Own Way.
And stay out of f~~~ing Churches…You cant go Yahwey and Your way at the same time. People need to read books and gain a 21st centruy understanding of the world and human condition…..its pathetic. Which brings me to another point, mgtow on youtube and here is overflowing with teens and 21 year olds who like the content but never take the red pill…..but they endless rag like a bleeding c~~~ all over the place about what mgtow is and what it ought to include….f~~~ you little uneducated f~~~tard kids who really have no experience at all with women…every sentence you write demonstrates youve never been f~~~ed over by a woman at all.
MGTOW= Stays the F~~~ away from women at all times. Is celibate! Is atheist or agnostic (because his is intelligent) The last one Im willing to budge on so no offense to you guys…..BUT IM NOT WILLING TO BUDGE ON CELIBACY…MGTOW means nothing as a label if youre still sponsoring the c~~~ carousel.
On the topic of “not getting married”…. personally, I would adjust that thought, and change “never getting married” to “never signing a marriage contract“. The mention of the word “contract” in any setting (including in the presence of other blue pill folk) says something completely different.
When you think (or declare) “I will never get married”… it comes off as “butthurt”, negative, cynical, or any number of other connotations. But reject “the CONTRACT” and now you’re just… SMART and SENSIBLE. It’s an important difference – and its perceived very differently too.
“Marriage” paints a picture of the wedding, the ring, the cake, the dress, etc, but THE CONTRACT completely de-romanticizes it. You can confidently (and openly) reject that in front of married people, and even they will become uneasy. Because they know exactly what you’re talking about. You may still date, shag or be involved with chicks (or not!!), but the refusal of the contract is the real focus and issue.
Because it’s really not a MORAL issue.
It’s a LEGAL issue.••••
It also may be helpful to think of creating your own philosophy. The “about MGTOW” page (and definition) is very sparse and succinct for a reason. EVERY other choice and definition beyond that is left entirely up to the individual. If we were to add any more to it, it starts to look like a set of rules or guidelines and we have to make a real effort to stay away from that.
The “i will never get married or get involved with women” statement is always going to be twisted into “you hate women”. So you remove “women” from the topic, make it a LEGAL issue, and then there can be no accusation of “misogyny”. That’s the s~~~ I can’t stand hearing, so I like to rip that from their mouths entirely and reject THE CONTRACT, and THE STATE from setting a single foot in my living room.
I like to deny them (detractors) the ability to say “you hate women”. It drives them f~~~ing crazy.
“WHY DO YOU HATE WOMEN!???!!!”
“What? I didn’t say anything about women. I just said I flatly refuse to sign a marriage contract.”
I refuse to get suckered into that explaining away misogyny crap. Reject the “contract” and now you’re giving your middle finger to the system and the state. Make them understand how you “feel about women” is totally f~~~ing irrelevant and off the table. That’s just gravy.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.Brilliant points! Sorry, I’ve been ranting a little bit lately….again!
I agree with you and understand why the MGTOW about thing is vague. I just don’t like the Mgtow getting watered down and smeared to include living with women, scoring hoes at the bar/cafe, dating….its all simpery and pussy beggin to me.
But after all, the knowledge is whats important about MGTOW. When and If the people around here every actually Go Their Own Way, is all good to me. Just letting y’all happy gentlemen know that I don’t tolerate females in any capacity. And I sure as s~~~ don’t sign contracts or share anthing with women.
-Briffault’s Law
Where the female can derive no benefit from association with the male, no such association takes place.
Past benefit provided by the male does not provide for continued or future association.
Any agreement where the male provides a current benefit in return for a promise of future association is null and void as soon as the male has provided the benefit
A promise of future benefit has limited influence on current/future association, with the influence inversely proportionate to the length of time until the benefit will be given and directly proportionate to the degree to which the female trusts the male (which is not bloody likely).
Peace y’all…..-Dallas Texas 29 year old Man
You are looking for wisdom, you already have one.
and change “never getting married” to “never signing a marriage contract“. The mention of the word “contract” in any setting (including in the presence of other blue pill folk) says something completely different.
Great advice KeyMaster, thanks for that
Because in order to be able to think, you have to risk being offensive.
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From what I have gathered in the limited reading I have done so far is that the philosophy of MGTOW is currently only that of repudiation.
Very similar to the Russian Nihilist of the 19th Century.
It is a rejection of all social, political and ideological positions apart from which survives critical perspective. The symbolism of the ‘red pill’ after all is that of rejecting the social construct to reach a perspective of ‘truth and realism’ no matter the consequence.What separates it from nihilism though, is that even though both philosophies are accepting of the inevitability of society collapsing under itself, and both see the possibility as beneficial, MGTOW is seeking to construct something from the premise of negation. It is asking the questions ‘What does it mean to truly be a man’.
MGTOW seems to me to be a movement which is seeking to overcome modern ‘man’ and to reach a place where its constitutes can bridge themselves to something more free and noble.
It seems to be a place where men are coming together to engage in discussion about how they can and are going their own way. It’s a place to learn from each other in how to become Nietzsche’s ubermench. A man that lives by his own internal codes of conduct brought about by the mental pursuit of actively engaging in the trans-valuation of cultural norms and morals.
So in regards to your question, I think the philosophy of MGTOW is that of a group of men attempting to overcome humanity to become overmen. A new intellectual and spiritual elite who go their own way in actions and thoughts, while supporting each other’s development.Interesting take Bazarov. I made some comments about the Oberman too once on Stardusks channel. No one replied or cared. I fear too that any measuring up to the Overman will lead to comments of racism even though we know better.
I dont think anyone replied or cared because most of them have no idea what we’re talking about. They dont know what the Ubermensch was, most have never read any Nietzsche.
I can’t say Im too optimistic for MGTOW really catching on for enough men to actually make a social impact. This is due of course to the nebulous definitions that are placed behind it. There’s plenty of information and merit behind the grievances. There’s plenty of real misandry and ill will towards men in the legal system but what “Going Your Own Way” actually entails is anyone’s guess. Since “going your OWN way” prevents a proper standard of behavior, pretty much everybody who grants validity to misandry is trying to call themselves mgtow. I’m ambivalent to this clusterf~~~. I see the benefit of making men aware, however, you can get 60 million men to claim mgtow and it really wont change a damn thing because every last one of them is still screwing around with women if the opportunity arises to trade chivalry for access to pussy. They perpetuate the memes that have dug men into this hole we’re in.
Maybe it’s already a given that MGTOW really means Celibacy among other default positions like atheism. I don’t think it’s too much to ask for MGTOW content producers to expand “not signing a marriage contract” to “not engaging in any sexual activity with women.” Men knew 20 years ago how dangerous signing a marriage contract is and the rate has declined, however, misandry remains, the laws remains, nothing has changed. To create positive change for men we have to identify what women really want and cut it off. The last power they haven’t robbed from us is sex, which they are still robbing us of because men give it away for free–but its within our power to cut that off. To me, mgtow doesn’t mean anything if it doesn’t mean ceasing relations with women. Its a low bar, come on! You can go any way you want after you swallow that one red pill. Red pill knowledge is nothing when you’re still sponsoring the c~~~ carousel. And to be fair, what part of Going Your Own Way means continuing to beg for pussy. Make no mistake, that’s exactly what it is in any form. “No strings attached sex” is about as legit as a NAWALT. MGTOW men are still just as delusional as typical mangina men who will do anything for some poon. There simply is no truth in, “Im a mgtow but if a woman will let me have some ass and doesn’t expect anything in return then…” Its a delusional justification based in denial. Women are using men and men allow it.
There are many so called MGTOW who say they’re going their own way but still hit the poon tang. My question is how are they different from any other man? They watered down Men Going Their Own Way to suit their biological impulses. They are the true hypocrites of MGTOW and we allow this because we wont drop the hammer and define MGTOW with a low bar which is “MGTOW dont f~~~ women, period.” Women still own the male mind when you’re still mentally preoccupied with getting your dick wet. Its needs to stop because its both counterproductive and dangerous for the individual and for men as a whole.
I think it’s comical how the media explains away the declining birthrate since 2007 as the economy being poor. And they attest that when the economy truly rebounds, we’ll see more marriage and a rising birth rate in America. What a bunch of idiots who miss the fact that 30 year olds in mass are unemployed and living on handouts from family–women and men. Nowadays, women’s biological clock is hitting the wall at the same time they plan to start a family. 10 years from now, 40 year old women will finally be in the situation to start a family but oops, your uterus is dried up and your kid has DOWNS.
The ignorance displayed towards our biology as dictated by millions of years of mammalian evolution is astounding. And the obvious effort to spread androgyny and erase masculinity; even punish it, are perverted and immoral. All the arrows point to feminism as the most destructive force the planet has seen since religion. Make no mistake, feminism is the cause for divorce, declining birth rate, epidemics of homosexuality, single moms and male suicide and so much more.
Many accuse MGTOW of being extreme. I’m here to tell you it’s not extreme enough by a long shot!
The only way to stop it is to cut women off entirely. They’ve abandoned their role and duty to this species. They’ve used men’s biology against men. They live off the fat of the land while men die in the trenches. Its not enough for MGTOW to simply be “not signing a marriage contract,” we need to flat-out disassociate ourselves with women; no sex, no favors, no physical contact! These are end games. They are playing a game against nature, trying to change 2 million years of hominid instinct, they are going to fail miserably because they’re perverting the glue that holds this world together, MEN.
In any movement there are always going to be those who are more passionate and dedicated to the overarching metanarrative and goals of that collective than others. Whether it be the view of adopting the sexual stance towards women as that of open relationships only, casual one night stands, only masturbation, or complete celibacy, I think people will always disagree on the conduct of the movements constituents, and I actually think this is a strength.
MGTOW is after all is a movement surrounded around the goal of allowing men the ability to gain autonomy and self-determination for themselves. To restrict the radical freedom of a man to choose his own actions beyond the expectation that he does not buy into the constructs of marriage long-term relations that resemble marriage, or systems which reinforce gynocentricism I believe would be in bad faith and potentially limit the power and wide spread potential MGTOW has to creating a new system of thought for the 21st century male.
In the beginning stages of the movement (which we are currently witnessing) I believe what is most important is to keep the spark of consciousness alive. The spark of consciousness being that it is now not only acceptable, rather necessary to start repudiating and analysing current social systems and actively choosing to not partake in the institutions which are most oppressive. If you believe all forms of sexual interactions are fundamentally oppressive, you should choose to drop out from them. However what is your end game? The human species does need to replicate and if all humans chose to follow your actions where would that leave us?
I also believe that in this early stage what is most important is for as many men choosing to go their own way (In one direction or another) is to have a base to exchange perspectives and ideas. This can only exist with the precepts of the movement being broad overarching terms such as endorsing the individual ego to gain self determination and the encouraged practice of gathering intellectual resources to allow oneself to pursue greater critical analysis of our social condition. I personally think what is more important to this movement now is for it to grow in size, as opposed to choosing an aim or direction. It needs to grow so its ability to assist the current social climate is sharpened, as well as to allow individualism within mankind to become more socially acceptable. MGTOW is after all in definition a movement which seeks to allow men to choose to go their own way (i.e choose for themselves what they wish to do with their life without state or social intervention.)‘Be-Here-And-Now’ made a good point about how movements are very difficult to define (eg Existentialism). I believe was is most important now is an exchange in notes like he suggested. The videos above on the topic are a valid starting point, like the forums and everything else all over this webpage. We are all conscious beings attempting to work out what to do with that said consciousness after all.
I am curious though as to your notes ‘beware the lamiae’ on why all sexual relations are dangerous for the male sex?
Could you please expand on your point.Bazarov.
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