"MGTOW Endgame" A Dangerous Fantasy?

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

Durden wrote:

I think you vastly underestimate the economic and societal implications of MGTOW. Nature is built on cause and effect. So is civilization. We are seen as items and not people. We left the plantation. Plus we want to be happy and you really can’t be happy in a relationship with a guillotine over your head. Nor in a society that takes so much but gives so little respect. If you raise taxes too high we are out of here because we are intelligent men and weigh costs and benefits. Didn’t hurt anybody just doing our own thing. If that worries you I don’t give a damn.

The result of any changes are going to be a bunch of worrying articles by academics, bloggers and media types how the landscape is being harmed, and nobody will do jack about it.  It is a collective concern no one will take any personal responsibility to address, but everyone will vent about.  The only remote thing that could be done is pass laws, but exactly what laws will be addressed to stop men going their own way?  The average person in society is too busy doing their own thing to worry about this.

Remember Occupy?  It was supposed to be some sort of big protest thing to change the world.  What happened at the camp is they got ire, and some union bus drivers honking their horns as they drove by.  On the Internet was ranting and so on, and taglines, and Fox News doing its spin, and MSNBC talking heads saying it was a real, as opposed to the said “astroturfed Tea Party”.  Nothing happened, except maybe some talk changed.  No one did anything.  Mitt Romney’s comment had about as much of an impact.

MGTOW is much more under the surface and not seen by people.  It doesn’t make noise, and happens invisibly, so that the impact is seen.  It hides in the woodwork, and has an impact but no one knows it.  I say, help those you know, and forget the rest.  Nothing will happen to try to change things.  There isn’t going to suddenly women being more nice, nor will feminists go away, nor will gynocentrism change.  You aren’t also going to get women stop marrying up?  Odds are, you will see markets pandering to MGTOWs more, to get their money, if it happens.  Media can likely run TV shows pandering to MGTOWs.  And that is AT MOST what happens.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

experienced wrote:

It’s MGTOW not: MGTOWASLITRM = not:  men going their own way and still looking in the rearview mirror.

I believe it was (MG)Tower who said “If you don’t put it behind you, it will always be infront of you”.
Just read it two days ago.

Loved that. It was excellent timing, too. I was dwelling too much on something, and goddammit, Tower cured it in one sentence. I owe him one.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Helen be DamnedParticipant 480]

I think you all overvalue the economy and society. Why is it better to have babies for the economy than to be free of to be yourself? Besides, societies are a constantly changing construct, you don’t know if a collapse may lead to better things. It will suck for a while, but it could fix many problems. Plus all ideas are dangerous. Look at feminism, an incredibly dumb idea that has had huge and dire consequences.

"You can keep your soul, I don't want a cell-mate." - Them Crooked Vultures

[GrumpyParticipant]

herodeath7 wrote:

Not wanting to work for it isn’t the problem so much as not wanting to partition resources equally

Incorrect in my opinion. That is the inherent problem.  If one person does all the work gathering/exploiting a resource, while another sits around and does nothing except expect an equal share of said resource, how is that fair or equal in any sense?  That in itself will ultimately lead to death for either the resource gatherer/producer, the parasite, or both.  One either assists, and benefits in regards to the resource. Or does not, thereby having no claim or right to an equal partition.  Either we help and we share, or you don’t and you starve. Pretty simple really.

There was a time in my life when I gave a fuck. Now you have to pay ME for it

[ComingInHotParticipant 160]

Grumpy wrote:

herodeath7 wrote:

Not wanting to work for it isn’t the problem so much as not wanting to partition resources equally

Incorrect in my opinion. That is the inherent problem. If one person does all the work gathering/exploiting a resource, while another sits around and does nothing except expect an equal share of said resource, how is that fair or equal in any sense? That in itself will ultimately lead to death for either the resource gatherer/producer, the parasite, or both. One either assists, and benefits in regards to the resource. Or does not, thereby having no claim or right to an equal partition. Either we help and we share, or you don’t and you starve. Pretty simple really.

The problem is the government doesnt allow that.  They constantly intervene and they give you a reason not to work, instead of wanting to get up in the morning and work on being successful.  The government doesn’t produce anything, essentially they just take and doll out what they take and give it to others.  Eventually there wont be anything to take or give…

Once you dont have to work to survive, farm, hunt and gather etc, and then you go from surviving to thriving, ie being a consumer, that is when things change drastically.

Remember the golden rule gents; those with all the gold, make all the rules.

[GrumpyParticipant]

ComingInHot wrote:

The problem is the government doesnt allow that

Correct. IMHO the less they can take, the more I can keep. My production is inline or more than my consumption, however I am somewhat at a disadvantage. I am identified as a “white Anglo-Saxon, heterosexual male, trapped in a white Anglo-Saxon, heterosexual male body” so I do not qualify for governmental largesse.

There was a time in my life when I gave a fuck. Now you have to pay ME for it

[herodeath7Participant 35]

Grumpy wrote:

If one person does all the work gathering/exploiting a resource, while another sits around and does nothing except expect an equal share of said resource, how is that fair or equal in any sense?

I see your point, but that implies that we’re talking about people within the same job, and therefore gathering the same “resource”. I was talking about how we’ve managed to justify paying people s~~~ wages to do very important jobs, while those banker f~~~s (no disrespect to bankers, if I could I’d be one too) get paid million dollar bonuses while f~~~ing up whole countries. That’s what I meant by senseless resource disparity. The fact that teachers, and police officers, and fighter-fighters, and [insert similar important job here] get paid significantly less than your average banker, despite the fact that they (teachers and the like) have arguably the most important job in a civilized country – and while they (tend to) work their ass off doing it – boggles my mind.

Grumpy wrote:

I am identified as a “white Anglo-Saxon, heterosexual male, trapped in a white Anglo-Saxon, heterosexual male body

Don’t worry friend, one day, with the advancement of science and technology, you can be whoever you want to be; you will no longer be trapped in that “entitled” and “privileged” body of yours. You can be free to become more: female-like, more female-like, or (you guesses it), more female like, a la Bruce-I mean Caitlyn Jenner.

[uchibenkeiParticipant 7965]

With regards to taxes, you can’t just keep raising taxes indefinitely.  there is what is called the Laffer curve.  When tax rates get too high, people will begin to turn to the underground economy to make money and other means to avoid taxes, causing total tax revenue to decrease despite the increase in rates.  Similar to what is happening in Greece.  Think about the extreme case of 100% tax rate.  Nobody would work.  What would be the point?

I bathe in the tears of single moms.

[SteveParticipant 462]

Gents, some in depth thought and analysis here. Great post.

Can you imagine the same intellegence and thought being given within feminist “Kill All Men” websites?!

It’s not going to get to a stage of mad max style collapse (although I would love that – getting my Jeep kitted out and heading up into Northern Scotland, fishing rods and a few hand tools). It’s more likely that the tide will keep coming, a bit more, a bit more… More men GTOW until governments crunch the numbers and realise they need to make changes and the tide will go back out again slowly.

I reckon it will get worse but the tide will turn and power will shift back to where it belongs. When will this happen? Maybe another generation or two before arseholes get twitchy and concessions are made. We won’t see it so may as well enjoy ourselves now.

[Anonymous 25]

Men are more intelligent than women.

I’m already seeing women getting their ass handed to them on a plate in spite of a biased system.

The more men go mgtow, the more women will find themselves outsmarted by men.

[FullMetalExoParticipant 2383]

Steve wrote:

Gents, some in depth thought and analysis here. Great post. Can you imagine the same intellegence and thought being given within feminist “Kill All Men” websites?! It’s not going to get to a stage of mad max style collapse (although I would love that – getting my Jeep kitted out and heading up into Northern Scotland, fishing rods and a few hand tools). It’s more likely that the tide will keep coming, a bit more, a bit more… More men GTOW until governments crunch the numbers and realise they need to make changes and the tide will go back out again slowly. I reckon it will get worse but the tide will turn and power will shift back to where it belongs. When will this happen? Maybe another generation or two before arseholes get twitchy and concessions are made. We won’t see it so may as well enjoy ourselves now.

Agree with whole post,and thread is so worth a read. Lovely.

And no, I can’t imagine same level of debates/discussions on Feminazi sites.

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[Anonymous 11]

Western civilization is in a self-inflicted terminal death spiral. MGTOW is not the cause. It’s just a self-protection mechanism. We are just walking off the playing field.

I’m glad I only have 40 to 45 years max in this cess pool maybe less.

[SMADParticipant 651]

Anonymous wrote:

Do you really think that if enough men go mgtow, and remaining men started to impregnate women, the welfare system would be enough to support all those single mothers and their children? How much would this increase of taxes be

Chances are, even if “penalty” taxes were high for being a single man, it would STILL be cheaper then getting married / divorced / f~~~ed over.

 

Marriage?  No thanks, i'm not ready to be THAT miserable.

[narwhalParticipant]

Marriage is a dangerous fantasy, not MGTOW.  It’s not MGTOW that’s going to bring about some sort of apocalypse, but marriage (and subsequent divorce)

I don’t believe MGTOW in general want to see the world burn.  Personally, I don’t want to be log on the fire anymore then I already have.  I’m not going to waste my time and money whining and complaining about it.  That’s what feminism does (well, it’s not their money usually).  I’d rather push for government/society change by my actions.  That change may not turn out for the best, will be bumpy and slow, but much more effect then an MRA, IMO.

Ok. Then do it.

[FIDKParticipant 32]

Keymaster wrote:

experienced wrote:

It’s MGTOW not: MGTOWASLITRM = not: men going their own way and still looking in the rearview mirror.

I believe it was (MG)Tower who said “If you don’t put it behind you, it will always be infront of you”. Just read it two days ago. Loved that. It was excellent timing, too. I was dwelling too much on something, and goddammit, Tower cured it in one sentence. I owe him one.

Keep looking ahead or you will be f~~~ed from behind.

[FIDKParticipant 32]

The endgame is here, I believe.

I was about to get some good references, but found something to complain about…

Do a Google search for “jobs statistics women” and compare the results to “jobs statistics men”  .  It could be a good thing to show one’s buddies when they do not “get it” immediately. Slowly, they will see the need for mgtow.

But, I digress. Endgame… Imagine a forward-looking Soviet leader back when they existed. He ignored 5 year plans and thought out the final end game for the United States. I suspect he would be very happy with how things turned out. He planned for:

• State control of Marriage and Family
• Turn the education system from top to one of the lowest in the developed world.
• Dismantle the Space program.
• Bankrupt the U.S. by spending too much on military and empire.
• Increase the number of poor to foment revolt.
• etc.

“LOL in 30 years Americans will envy our freedom!”

Unfortunately for him, the Soviets did not last long enough to see their glorious plan unfold. Their comrades in Red China did carry the torch, for them.

Endgame: I predict Hillary is elected president ( no longer to be capitalized ) and will start a huge war to thin out our ranks. There will be draft avoidance coupons (DACs) auctioned off to the rich to help pay for the girl orphans left behind. These will trade on Wall Street and be swapped back and forth into another trillion dollar bubble.

 

 

 

 

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