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[KeymasterKeymaster]

Awesome replies from everyone. Huge smile over here. And I contacted the sketch artist, we will be meeting next week about this.

CAP said:

Ok, that sounds like a hoot. When I get laughing, I can’t stop. I have feeling KeyMaster would fuel it until I p~~~ed myself. I’m in Indiana, near Chicago. My dad lives in California and I could take a trip for this.

This is interesting. I pictured you to be very serious. Appreciative of great humor, but still a serious hard-ass who does NOT f~~~ around… because some of your criticisms – while very funny to me – are ruthless and lethal. You can cut DEEP, man. It’s nice to be wrong , and learn this s~~~ cracks you up. The next time you make it to California, you’d better look me up. It would be a riot and a pleasure to shake your hand. Truly.

Taking a trip to film? I’ will hold you to that when the time comes. First we will story board it out – comic book style – and post the frame sequence here. I think you will be thrilled and it will certainly pique interest.

That goes for the others too.

Nice to hear from TBow too! We are going to be filming a few (drone camera / arial) shots and scenes in Arizona for a trailer.

Thanks for the offers of support, but it’s much too early for that. We don’t have a donations button and never will. We just don’t believe in it. When our website is complete as we imagined it, we will aggressively pursue this as a creative project. Believe it or not, but we have already begun creating a military fighter jet sequence with Barbarossa, Stardusk and Sandman as combat pilots – in an ariel dog fight with feminists.

Like TOP GUN… but more like “TOP C~~~”.
Again, it’s very premature, but it’s in the works.

The fighters will be 3D models with MGTOW decals on them …looking like this:

Still just an early concept at the moment. Eventually as it comes together, if the response is good (and it will be) we’ll get serious about considering funding options. But people need to SEE something first and we don’t want to get ahead of ourselves. Thanks to all of you.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

You already can.

http://mgtow.com/forums … is the forums index page.

The search box is directly above the list of forums on the right. I think it could be made bigger and more obvious, but it does search ONLY THE FORUMS for the term you are looking for, and will display list of topics and replies in the results. This way you CAN search for say, “barbarossa”….. and see all replies with the term “barbarossa” in the body.

/forums/search/barbarossa/

…… will bring up ONLY the forum results for that as an example.

Thanks for asking this. The SITE SEARCH at the top of site (upper right) does NOT include forum discussions yet (at this time). The site search only includes videos, articles, audios, and our front end archives. Think of the forum as a different subset. When it really takes off, we will merge forum search results eventually.

Thank you.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[peterfaParticipant]

I don’t really know what “gash bashing” is, but did I come across as responding to some perceived gash bashing in your post?

I’m really trying to encourage people here to open up and be critical. I want to push people into articulating themselves. The idea saying that holding women accountable helps them is an effort to encourage you to keep going. I know it’s disharmonious on this site to frame something in whether or not it benefits women, that is that’s a clearly gynocentric point, and this culture clearly rejects gynocentricism.

Again, I’m not really MGTOW, but I am here to try to learn what I can. What I mainly want is to find out the missing parts of manhood that we don’t get to learn about growing up, and trying to capitalize on it. It was among the videos by Stardusk and Barbarossa that I learned about male creativity and such. There are other aspects too, like learning how to articulate my anger myself.

Hi folks,

I just want to take the opportunity to have a place and give my life story. I’m going to drone on a bit, though I wish I could condense it more, but there’s just so much in my story. I’m going to focus on what I’ve realized to be pretty much about what my life has been about: women.

For the record, I’m not  true MGTOW. I want to lay that out there right now. The MGTOW movement is in response to they psychological pathology of our society. Our society is very ill. The point is that MGTOW is in response. If society was healthy, this would be a celebrated forum, specially for men, and promoted by women to empower them to be who men are. Before you start jumping my case though, I want you to also understand that I just heard of MGTOW not too long ago on Feminism LOL’s Youtube channel, where she says it’s really the only hope men have. We’re talking a few weeks. This is where I’m at.

Now my family was dysfunctional, and what I’ve learned about dysfunctional families is the gender roles. In the more sicker the society or group of people, the stronger the gender roles. In the ghetto, gender roles are dialed up to eleven, but in healthier societies there is much more flexibility in gender roles. I’m not really all that macho of a man, I don’t like football or trucks, but I do like fighting, video games, heavy metal, working out, philosophy, psychology, and computers. I also like essential oils and a host of other traditionally effeminate things. I’m going to point out my life philosophy and you’ll see why I posted the mix of interests I have. You’ll see my attitude as it was shaped. You’ll see how those interests are important.

Again, I was born into a dysfunctional family. I had two older sisters and both of my parents. My mother was seriously codependent and my father had a moderate case of borderline personality disorder, and a strong case of PTSD. I’ll leave it up to you to figure out how the gynocentric (FYI, the word, “gynocentric,” is underlined as misspelled in my browser) culture really helped the both of them, by convincing my mother that she just needs to keep playing her vagina card (which just means she’s less of a woman that it didn’t work), and how my father’s existence was valued entirely about how he can control women, and also about his serious needs and how not one person in the entire world did anything to help.

I grew up with a seriously impoverished male role model. It was so awful that I didn’t want to be a, “man.” To me, a, “man,” was something abhorrent. I do now realize I had a little bit of help along the way with this. However, my father’s behavior, which was very abusive to everybody, and to me, gave me the view that manhood was actually dangerous immaturity. He leered at teenage girls, commented to me about them, and all sorts of poor behavior. He called this, “eyeball liberty,” but I found it demeaning. Now, don’t get me wrong… I’m not saying the male gaze is demeaning, but that he was abusing male gaze to hurt people deliberately and cover it over with either, “eyeball liberty,” or the argument that these young women should appreciate it. However, he was truly hostile. Keep in mind that he was married to my mother at the time.

That’s not all my father did. He was manipulative, violent, and controlling. He made all of us feel like garbage. He was a major pornography addict and wanted to take his interest into the norm. He wanted to be able to freely talk about it and express his interest. He pushed me around a lot. If I made him look bad, I was punished. His punishments weren’t terrible, but they were harsh. I wasn’t punished for my sake though, but for his. I was often punished when what I needed was helped. I was being bullied at school for being small, different, dyslexic, ADD, by the students, the teacher, and the staff. My family did nothing to help.

At this point I see manhood as disgusting, and to my credit, what I saw in all the men was stupidity, immaturity, violence, selfishness, and all sorts of vileness. I felt legitimately loved by my mother however. She wasn’t helpful to me, and even encouraged me to tolerate my father’s violence and abuse (she didn’t want to go through the trouble of finding another man, because she knew what was going to happen if he went to jail).

I’ve said nothing of my sisters. I know they both have PTSD and a serious hatred of men. For extra credit: How has feminism helped them grow up and heal from this abuse? Of course it didn’t. I became hated by them. It wasn’t just proxy hatred, but gender hatred. They both were jealous of me because my father was less violent both when I came around, and with me directly. My father, according to them, has a clear preference to me. However, what they don’t know is that I was to be his pet boy. He didn’t respect my sovereignty but tried to force me to be his little bitch and his little sexual frolics. They also failed to see that I sympathized with them, and the trouble they faced both as women, and as victims of my father. They also paid no attention to the problems I faced, dismissing them, and even took dumps on me as they explained to me how women do this and that for the benefit of men.

I took all of that but I didn’t understand the true seriousness or their mindset. We all have frustrations and issues. You can see how I’m placed helpless and being hung in effegee for fictitious sins.

What my sisters failed to acknowledge is that they were very abusive too. When I was a toddler, I was dressed up in my older sister’s doll clothes. She told me that if I didn’t let her put them on me, I would turn into a girl. This girl was 10 years old at this time, probably. I then would cry because I was scared. I don’t remember this story, but I do remember my sisters telling me this story, year after year, after year. It seems to be very important that I remember and know this story.

My middle sister seemed to have taken a sexual attraction to me. She never crossed any lines proper, but she did weird me out a few times. I remember licking my lip once in the corner of my mouth. Then she would ask me to do that all the time and dote on me for it. She said I did it so well and apparently it was so aesthetically pleasing to her. I eventually protested and stopped it, but she persisted on pressuring me to do it until she gave up. Later, when both my parents were out working and we had just moved into another place in a small town (this town was a very sick town, and I was going to get severely bullied, one of the worst times of my life). I was unfortunately left with my sister for long stretches of time.

My sister did play mind games. I don’t know what the nature of these mind games, but there was one in particular that still leaves me feeling sick after all these years. It’s funny how physical violations are never forgotten. What she’d do is coax me into getting close to her physically, then she’d reach her arms around me and pull me into her as though a mother grabs her child affectionately. I gave her the benefit of the doubt at first, but pushed her away when done. I didn’t like her back then, already.

She would keep this up, and promised me outright that she wasn’t going to do it. It seemed funny to her that I would fall for it every time. I would trust her, do what she asked (that was a psychological paradigm, me doing what she says all the time, something she never gave up on), and go physically close. While I did it, her excitement increased and I could hear the mouth noises as she struggled to contain her mirth, and then the same thing would happen again. She would smother me in her arms. The last time I made her promise to me, and she did it. I guess she thought it was funny that all she had to do is say whatever it is I needed her to say before I could trust her again. She through the word promise at me, and I gave her the credit. Well, it happened one last time and at that point, I knew she was nobody of her words.

My relationship with that person was always troubling. My middle sister always pushed me around. She picked on me from time to time. She even tried to call me, “boy,” after my father called me that. She thought that this was OK to do since I was, “The Boy,” or something. From my father it means one thing, but from her, it was something else. One of the few times she was reprimanded for treating me like this, she grudgingly accepted.

My middle sister still held on to her other privileges, thinking I come when she calls, just like how I come when my parents call, even if she’s doing it for her interests, outside of my parents command. She also was demanding and controlling, and when I realized I didn’t have to do what she wanted, she hit me. She lost a bit of power in that, but it was a shortlived victory (this was when I was like in 3rd grade). In the future, she was going to master manipulation to get it her way.

That sister was always of heavy disposition, and by that, I mean she was fat. I wasn’t allowed to tease her for it. She was however allowed to treat me however she wanted. In time, she was going to be a really pushy person, and her antics would never be addressed. What she’d do is harass me and attack me, over and over, saying all kinds of things. I would just let it roll off my back until she went too far. Then I would tell my father but he’d do nothing. Then I would do something to protect myself, and suddenly, it was the two of us just bickering. My mother even told me that siblings just bicker, that’s what they do in healthy families. So, I had to tolerate her abuse.

Still, nothing matched the little creepy things my sister would do… the odd overly appreciative grins, the excessive doting in public, telling everybody how adorable and lovely I am in her school (my language, not hers), acting a bit too affectionate in private, and turning into a psycho when she doesn’t get it her way.

I’m not sure whether my middle sister had sexual interest in me, or at least was trying to emasculate me and turn me into he little pet. The obvious problem though is what adult is catching on and doing something about it? If you guessed absolutely nobody, give yourself a gold star, because that’s exactly what happened. Her behavior was often downplayed, or falsely justified way, or even compared to my behavior. She got away with almost absolutely everything.

One last complaint against her, and this too is important, was that she’d do whatever she could to get out of chores. Then my father would make me do them. He knew that she wormed her way out of it, and I believe he wanted to do something about it, but never got around to it. Once we agreed to clean the bathroom we shared and I did it my week, but she didn’t her week… nor for several weeks. Until the bathroom was so overly disgusting I decided that if I valued cleanliness I was just going to have to do her work for her. Sure, I was picking after her, but I was going to enjoy a clean bathroom, even though her fat butt was going to enjoy it too, and make it messy again. She was so excited about this and complimented me on it. My father actually stood up for me that once.

My older sister, the one who dressed me up in doll clothes, and of course reminded me of it, year after year, treated me with contempt. She’d play jokes on me and I’d fall for them but I never figured it out, until later, when I began to stand up to her, and especially when I complained about my middle sister.

In time, my middle sister started to take a more central role in my life, and in the lives of everyone. She was winning the contest. She was getting fatter and fatter, more angrier, and her victim complex increased drastically. I would complain about her but I was already so weak that I couldn’t really complain. When I did complain about her, they would completely lie about her behavior, saying I was just vilifying her, or that she was just kidding, or what have you.

After several years, and finally an adult, I was so neurotic. I was such a horrible mess. I was addicted to pornography, lonely, and chronically feeling like trash. However, I didn’t give up on my fight with my sisters. My oldest sister promised me that the middle one was getting better, but she was only becoming more vitriolic and cruel. Her antics started to be come more blatant and obnoxious and the lies so hopelessly in-congruent, even manipulating the material facts to make a point, that I could see there was no hope. By the time I was 25 or so, I told my sisters off one last time, and refused to talked to them.

It was so hard prying them out of my life. My mother would pull off tricks to force them back into my life. She would make me go to family gatherings (where I’d staunchly refuse to talk to them), invite them over, pressure me into dinner or lunch with them, and and then bring on the guilt trips and morals like non other. I’ve never seen my mother act like this before then.

My ran into a girl who was nineteen. She learned quickly that I had serious family problems and I wanted to get away from them. Well, her family was very loving towards me, I learned so much and for once I began to heal and grow. Then we fell in love and I got married. Now we have two kids and a third on the way. She is very loving towards me and empowers me to be the best man I can be, developing my talents and intellect. Then we all lived happily ever after. The end.

OK, I lied. She was actually messed up, the oldest (and the responsible child) of her dysfunctional family. They were in massive denial and those children had already suffered serious neglect. That girl became my girlfriend out of pressure. She pushed me back into college. They convinced me that they knew how to be a good healthy family and extended their hand in charity to help me learn and grow. I took them for their offer. I felt so guilty about using this girl because I wasn’t interested in her. She was a dork with a few extra  pounds. Though, she did have curves and considerable breasts, I was still obsessed with the perfect body thinking I would get my doll. In retrospect, I shouldn’t have been so shallow, on the other hand, she should have respected my disinterest.

My girlfriend at the time was trying to change me. In her family, everything is about the mother. The Mother was in control of everything, and she was a neurotic beast. I could write a whole book on her. In the end, she turned out to be a very weak person, who was living in massive denial, was very jealous of other women (including my mother), and knew everything about my girlfriend and me. She even knew when we had sex. I could tell you more, and there’s plenty more, but I’m already droning on and on. In the end the family unit collapses and they face the truth.

At first I took this family for face value, but it wasn’t long before I started to see problems. When I moved in with the family (not just to live with my girlfriend, and to get away from my mother and the family, which was The Mother’s idea and not mine, and a crazy psycho schizophrenic woman who moved into the apartment below my mother and I, which was turning into stalking allegations), that very night, The Mother began to reveal her true nature. I wanted to get to bed at 10PM but when I proposed this idea, The Mother became defensive. I walked away wondering what happened. Then in my room she visited me and told me she was sorry. I then challenged her asking her why she was sorry, which she said, “DON’T YOU DARE MANIPULATE ME IN FRONT OF MY KIDS.” I responded by standing up to her and said, “I DID NOT MANIPULATE YOU.” This event became really important since it was her embarrassment and I never let it go. She struggled, and so did my ex, to keep their version the canonical, and my version some how evidence of how messed up I was. She was incapable of saying sorry and my girlfriend was incapable of standing up to her.

When The Mother realized I was a messed up person, she related with my struggles. She recognized that I had a pornography addiction (more luck than discernment actually), and she decided to send both me and my girlfriend to couples counseling. Since I was feeling so guilty for how I was treating my girlfriend (remember, I didn’t want her, but honestly, her affection was drawing me in and I couldn’t keep her away).

I think my girlfriend at the time just wanted the counselor to fix me up and turn me into a, “Man.” I would be her husband and then I do that sort of thing. She was a troubled woman who wanted to escape her family since they were messed up and she was the responsible child. The counselor was a bright man, sharp, and a man who was cruelly hurt by a previous marriage with an attractive, but narcissistic woman. He was very gentle with my girlfriend, and I held onto fear that I’d be identified as character disordered, and her identified as a victim, and she played that up, but I was also very chivalric, putting her needs above my own. I in fact did this a lot, protecting her from pain, but only up to a point. When it really came down to it, I couldn’t let go of any lies, or unfinished business (years of dealing with my sisters made it impossible to let by-gones go bye). As time went on, I became more vocal with The Mother and my girlfriend, slowly gaining ground and becoming increasingly critical of them. Eventually so much proof that they were seriously damaged people, liars, dysfunctional, and very dishonest with me emerged but because I was very hopeful that we’d finally be some sort of healthy happy family, I denied it.

The counselor actually just taught us how to both be good people, and not how to make something work. I became healthier, and stronger, and began to lose my need of The Mother and my girlfriend. We eventually broke up. Now The Mother has a problem. She no longer desires to give me charity since I’m not falling in line and I’m not picking up her silly beliefs. I’m still me, and I’m not becoming them. In fact, I’m becoming more vocal about my thoughts and feelings. They were so arrogant to believe that I’d abandon logic for them.

Well, my girlfriend, now my ex, found another guy pretty quickly and I was so heartbroken. She treated me like such dirt and now she was going to really let me have it. I quickly dashed that house for my father’s house who took me back.

I rebuilt my relationship with my mother under my father’s pressure. He seemed to have mellowed out and I give people the benefit of the doubt, hoping they’ll grow under my grace. He was just doing marijuana at the time so he was mellow, though it wasn’t long before I could see his anger and rage was still very much there. He wanted to push me around one day, and when I refused, demonstrated that he was mad by hitting my cup holder in my car (I was driving him home). I pulled over and kicked his butt out. He didn’t want to go but he did. We had an altercation. He blindsided me with an unexpected strike in my temple. I was dizzy but he didn’t follow up in time for me to recover and put up defense. I punched him square in the nose (he’s slow), and he bled immediately. Then he turned his coat and started acting like the nice guy, getting my glasses and things, but he was still going to get himself home.

Of course the older sister comes to pick him up (and later this is used to guilt me, though it doesn’t work, because she *had* to because of me). I moved out immediately and into my mother’s place, where I finished school, and found a job, which finally moved me on my own, at about 28 years old.

I missed my ex though, and was so sorry that things went the way they did. I blamed myself for not being as good as I could have been, but I was so frustrated and angry about how unfair it was. It was like, gee, I just got out of a nightmare situation, and suddenly she expects me to be healed in 1 month by promising me that I’m loved here. She had other demands as well, that were unfair, and dealing with her mother always worked to my detriment. She never stood up for me, and even betrayed everything I confided to her to her mother.

A rational person would have said that this girl is messed up and that he’d be glad to be rid of her. However, not me. I held on to it and hoped that she’d remember the man I was, what I went through for her. Instead, she just found a guy who had a nice easy life, was neurotic, and had a job. They get married.

When the news came back to me I was utterly crushed, and became very suicidal. I cried every day for a few weeks. Slowly though, over time, I began to heal, and began to see that my ex is not worth it. She was very messed up and her idea of a healthy relationship is very sick. She’s very gynocentric.

Ironically it was her mother who first started to teach me about the whiles of women, in how they control men. It was her who wanted me to start looking at other girls and see how they were manipulative, especially my mother (who wasn’t really controlling). Unfortunately, she convinced me that my father was really a good guy (despite the evidence, but remember, I was messed up really badly at the time), and that my sisters weren’t really all that bad (this was a time they were trying to get rid of me). The Mother was transferring badly onto everybody. She had serious problems. Eventually she divorces her husband and marries another, becomes a party girl (repression?).

So, I’m browsing these Youtube videos and a strange video about how female privilege backfires appears in my search for random things, by Karen Straughan. I watched out of curiosity wondering how this could be. Remember, at this time, I’m not really pro-male, but I’m pretty much a feminist. I didn’t comprehend.

I was blown away by Karen’s arguments. She had so much blatant evidence that it demanded a reversal of so many of my convictions. I started to watch her other videos. Then I started to watch many videos by Feminism LOL, the Honey Badgers, and so on. I noticed that they were always supportive of MRA men. No matter what, even when I think they’re about to ridicule men, they did not. After a while I began to trust them.

Later there’s a fiasco in avoiceformen.com. Feminism LOL said that vagina has now found it’s way into the MRA movement and that our only hope is MGTOW. I didn’t know what that was. Later, actually on the bottom of avoiceformen.com, I find links to Barbarossaa’s channel, and he links to other channels. I related with him. I saw what he was saying. I began to watch more videos trying to teach myself how to identify problems with women and what they’re trying to do.

I started to really reflect on my past an I realize now that I’ve had so many terrible relationships with women. I haven’t even began to touch on them here. I once got involved with a girl who had a lust for murder (she loved serial killers, and wanted me to be one too). Nobody did anything about that abomination, but I was considered for a bit obsessed with her.

I used to hate men, but now I don’t. I don’t hate the male part of me any more. I know what I am and I want to develop my talents and creativity. I’m not fully MGTOW because if I find the right woman, I’ll marry her. The right though, meaning she’s a woman of good character, intellectually honest, fair, hard working, and equitable. I don’t think I’ll find her, but I won’t settle. I know there’s no hope for that now.

I think I want to leave the states, because the laws are so unfair here. We men have gone out of our way for the benefit of women, and we’re only vilified further. All we want are romantic relationship but this is used as a lure to torment us and beat us up. The very women we trust abuse our trust.

What’s really sick is that all male things somehow require female moderation. Women find it scary that men have a place to talk about their issues. This is just a typical woman, not a feminist. If this is how things are, then our culture is seriously ill.

In the end, I find that there’s always some woman at the very center of all of my pain. If it’s not my middle sister, then it’s my girlfriend’s mother, of my girlfriend herself. My inability to accept emasculation and refusal to accept lies has cost me so much in my life. I’ve been reviled and scorned. Well, almost everything, since my father was a bully to me and abused me. However, I’m able to reverse my hatred of maleness and accept it.

I used to revile men and consider them stupid brutes, that I was better, and thus more deserving of pussy. However, the dumb bruts got the girls, and the girls called me a creep. I was nice to them, knew feminism and related to these things. I played into their character disorders, and support their defense mechanisms, even at times downright pimping myself for their sake. None of this counted though, because women want an idiot they can control.

I did the feminism thing. I did it as best I could, but it was hopeless. I was what women said they wanted. I did that. It doesn’t work. They will never approve of you. The problem is with them. They need to suffer the humiliation and surrender their defense mechanisms for our sake. Corporately, women are very damaged, and very narcissistic.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Makes me wonder how they do it..anyone here ever shagged a hardcore feminist?

Where do you think the need for dick pills came from? For centuries, women have been complaining that our equipment has been working a little TOO well. Now – and since feminism – its advertised on TV men need PILLS to shag the modern female? That’s because she’s totally unf~~~able. But would exactly the same man have a problem getting it up for Kate Upton?

Any man who’s shagged a western bitch born in the last 50 years has shagged a feminist to some degree.

With no exaggeration…. I knew a handful of “feminists” who were the type, but not radically overt.They dropped words like “misogyny” and would take part in the vagina monologues. That type. My manstincts kept me away from them – naturally. Like my gut told me to steer clear. their boyfriends (if any) were pure mangina and white knight.

Girls I did get involved with were the usual. Still toxic, like your basic sheeple… they just didn’t know any better. Like the common Oprah / talk show audience, drowning themselves in Sex and the City. They were not exactly “feminist” but definitely feminized. Shaming language was about the extent of it. Trigger phrases like “men are afraid of commitment”, “NAWALT”, and “maybe you’re just meeting women in the wrong places” didn’t register at the time. They would all seem to spit the same s~~~ out without knowing where it came from.

I was not hip to this jive back then, but when I happened upon Barbarossa’s NAWALT video (and others) it was like all of them were now revealed and easy to understand. In retrospect, I reflected back and was truly amazed just how much they fit the mold. The narcissism and selfishness. The typical feminist catch phrases. The anti-male catty lols and snide comments. How they were “challenging” instead of loving and warm in relationships. Up until this point, I thought “feminism” was long dead and gone in the 60s. Boy was I wrong, now I even see it in my personal twitter feed which is far attached from the Manosphere.

Only one or three girls in all of my recollections where lovely and far removed from this. So to answer your question, yeah I shagged a number of them without knowing it. Im just glad I never married any of them. I would be so p~~~ed if I woke up AFTER the wedding.

I wonder how brutal that must be for some guys. To be married and THEN take the red pill.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

@wakingup

Recently we have noticed a mini-explosion in married men finding a calling in MGTOW, in our emails, contacts, comments, and among our members. One of our other members “Zubertai” dropped this video by Barbarossa as something you might find interesting and offers his insight on this. His breakdowns are excellent and has positive things to say about it!

I hope you enjoy it and find some value in it. Cheers!

/video/mgtow-and-marriage/

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

@yohan

Recently we have noticed a mini-explosion in married men finding a calling in MGTOW, in our emails, contacts, comments, and among our members. One of our other members “Zubertai” dropped this video by Barbarossa as something you might find interesting and offers his insight on this. His breakdowns are excellent and has positive things to say about it!

I hope you enjoy it and find some value in it. Cheers!

/video/mgtow-and-marriage/

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[DocParticipant]

Barbarossa is excellent. I wonder if he writes it all out first. The way it flows out of his head, if he just turns on the microphone and makes it all up as he goes, then there is no God.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Hi Yohan. You may be rewarded to watch this. It’s from a true MGHOW (man going his own way) “Barbarossa” who is very prominent in the sphere and he talks about MGTOW who happened to be married.

I cant really pin down an exact time that I became MGTOW mostly because I’m still a little confused on what it all is

The most succinct definition is your OWN. “own” is the key word in going your own way.
In world where others love to pretend to know what’s best for you, this time, you get to define it yourself.

For a basic intro, can start here: /about/

or here: /manosphere/

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It’s a very strange thing for a man to suddenly be able to have the freedom to make ALL of his own choices. And it takes a while to adapt and adjust because he’s been so used to being a slave and having his destiny mapped out for him by society and everyone around him. So take your time. When you hand a man a pen and piece of paper and have him write down what HE needs (and wants) he will often sit in front of that blank piece of paper and stare at it for a while.

Until that moment he’s been preoccupied (and expected to) give others what they need and want.
His needs and wants were not a consideration.

Yet whenever I try to talk about him with anyone outside of my immediate family, my comments are ignored. Praise for his development was given to my wife. She would try to redirect that praise to me, which is usually met with eye rolling, and a reluctant or surprised “oh, well good job.” My efforts with my son aren’t recognized because I’m a man.

That’s REALLY gotta hurt. I know exactly what you mean. A man’s life choices , celebrations and achievements are irrelevant. A woman has a baby and everyone drops what they are doing to “like” and “share” a hundred photographs. The guy says “I’m the father” or “i opened a million-dollar business with 40 employees which I started from nothing” and nobody gives a s~~~, or throws him a shower. It’s remarkable really.

But if it’s any consolation, a distant cousin of mine had a kid the other day. Just last week. Her fourth. My mother bombarded my email box with 100 pictures. OMG! Her sister is a grandmother for the 4th time! Yay! I told her to send my well wishes in her next message. She said “OK but I think she would prefer to hear it from you.”. I said Im sure she would, but she has never celebrated a single one of my life choices or sent me any congratulations on even my most rigorous of pursuits and achievements.

I nuked her hamster from 2500 miles away. And put it into perspective for her.
I will not “congratulate” a woman for having unprotected sex and the pregnancy / birth that resulted from that.

…. as long as my efforts and achievements are never shared, and generally ignored.

Welcome to you. And I wish you every success as a dad.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Hi… very delayed in getting back to you. I wanted to reply properly in detail when I had the time.

It’s SO interesting this came up.
Sit down before you fall down.

You know after I left you my original reply on Sunday, I went out for a lunch and to do some writing. Sitting next to me at the bar, was this guy I struck up a conversation with. We exchanged chit chat, what I do, what he does….. and within about 30 minutes I found out he was very active in the game community. A true (and natural) “PUA”. He even looked the part. It was quite uncanny. He’s not a famous PUA but he definitely rolled with the legends many years ago… and then we talked about how I manage a men’s interest site – MGTOW.com – which I introduced him to.

I showed him the trailers and the article on “Hypergamy” a concept which was inspired by Rollo Tomassi. As he was watching the trailer he said “wow that really hits you below the belt and guts you! you didn’t hold back at all!”. In 2 minutes , he got it. So he started to read the article and said he was experiencing it first hand. He never heard the word “hypergamy” before. We spent a couple of hours going back and forth. Both our minds were blown by running into each other like that.

I told him I have seen PUA Tyler Durden in person walking down the street. He knows him well. And I am very aware of David DeAngelo and I mentioned a few things that I learned from him which I still carry with me today. He knew them too. We laughed. I wasn’t a “fan” but I certainly learned some valuable lessons.

•••••

You are no-doubt aware of the website “Return of Kings”. Well that’s red-pill / men’s interest site which qualifies as a Manosphere site with a PUA and MGTOW spirit. Just as many MGTOW participate there as well, PUA is very commonly a brief stop on the way to MGTOW. It’s virtually unavoidable. The more experience you have with women, the more red pill lessons you learn, and it’s common for a guy to say “f~~~ this s~~~” and eventually make his way here — or at least, find it in his travels — even though he may not be ready to embrace it fully.

Personally, I still interact with (and may even occasionally flirt with) women if the energy is good, fun and positive. If she bounces back and we get a little natural rally going, then it can be fun. But most women today have LOST ALL ABILITY to flirt and interact with men in a fun or meaningful way. They are complete s~~~ at it. Talk about this at Return of Kings, I found A LOT of men agreed with me over there.

GAME HAS VALUE. There is no doubt about it.
But I also agree with DYBBUK (above) completely.

Barbarossa’s video on “deconstructing game” is an excellent video and we actually quote directly from it on our glossary page. He has an excellent understanding of game and what it means in the social matrix as we know it. And he articulates it perfectly.

These days women have lost their luster. They are like playing tennis with a wall, and a man learns very quickly they are simply NOT WORTH IT – not on any level. This makes PUA a common stop on the way to MGTOW. I haven’t ruled out women entirely, but there isn’t one shred of blue pill, white knight in me anymore. That man is dead. And so is the man who used to cross the room to talk to a girl just because she’s good looking. Now I just don’t give a s~~~. The PUA who still maintains getting laid is the number one pursuit in life is totally lost on me (and on most of our members from what I can tell).

I don’t “pursue” them, or “approach”.
But I might call one over. Theres a big difference in attitude right there.

I also use playful humor (exactly as you mention above!).
There is a big difference between “playing games” and playing THE game.
THE game…….. is FUN.

But if a chick is not receptive to it and can’t bounce it back, I leave her there and go my own way.

Please feel free to start a game-related thread or conversation any time you are inspired. I may even start one myself from time to time. But, you should be prepared for few to reply or be willing to engage. The idea of “manning up” and working to make a bang happen is both infuriating and pointless to many MGTOW. For example, we have had a few guys step forward and ask for the best way to approach online dating, but just as many will tell him it’s a complete waste of time and women don’t deserve male attention or pursuits anymore.

As a matter of fact, if you have something to say about “s~~~ tests” we are preparing a big piece on this. Self improvement is very important. And education of any kind is never a waste.

A BIG and sincere welcome to you.
Hope to read more from you.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Hi WGone. Welcome! and thanks for posting.

Barbarossa and Sandman each have a video on #womenagainstfeminism (added here) and they are both very correct.

There is a reason they created #womenagainstfeminism and not #womenforthepatriarchy.
A “fist in a velvet glove” is all it is. MGTOW are three steps ahead in terms of awareness.

/video/too-little-too-late/

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

Hello everyone. New here; glad I found this site.

MGHOW since May of this year when I ended a 7 year LTR 1 month before I turned 26. It was a long, miserable 7 years. I just happened to stumble upon a video made by Barbarossa and it snowballed from there. I feel like MGTOW saved my life.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

@ivanen. Your 2 cents is worth more than you think.

A great % of MGTOW have the identical intro to tell. It’s interesting, men often feel talking about it makes them come across as a “whining bitch”. In fact that’s popular accusation, but that’s something which has been engrained in you since birth. The message: Your pain or hardships are irrelevant. “Take it like a man”. etc.

I knew a girl I was pretty close friends with since grade school, and when she was going through a break-up and her fiancé left, she was listened to, consoled, and expected comforting and “cheering up”. Then one day. about 5 of us were out one night, and one of the guys started going off about his GF cheating & leaving. SHE – HERSELF – said “you’re just bitter” and mocked him. “Not all women are like that. Stop whining” she said and laughed at his justifiable anger for his life being turned upside down. Same girl. My indifference to her is now equal to a flatline on a heart monitor.

I don’t even share her joy about announcing she is pregnant and expecting wildly ecstatic congratulations from everyone.

“So what. You had unprotected sex. Big deal. Stop expecting congratulations for that. It’s embarrassing.”

It’s the response she deserves, really.

More men ought to put this in perspective for women when they post their pregnant pictures all over social media like they are the first pregnant woman – ever. And they do this without the father in the photo too. Look at ME. I am pregnant. I am. Here I am from all angles. Here is me one week later. Here is me 2 weeks later. Look at me. But the man who impregnated her is nowhere to be seen. Why not? Why doesn’t she make an equally big overture about the fact that he ejaculated in her? He had unprotected sex too! Does he not get a big party, 3 million “likes”, and shower of gifts too?

In fact, it was the “not all women are like that” comment which stuck out the most.I heard this just ONE too many times. So I googled it and found this video.

/video/nawalt/

There’s actually an ACRONYM for that too! “NAWALT”. I could’t believe it.

That was how I stumbled on MGHOW Barbarossa… and I listened to all of videos back to back. Some of them more than once. The dude had perfectly articulated all of my thoughts – in one video after another. Imagine arriving at this realization, and finding an entire population of men who have deconstructed the s~~~ I heard women say over and over again. Mind blowing to say the least.

The burden of accepting every flaw, mistake or wrong-doing as my own had suddenly been lifted…. and I realized, I wasn’t a “whining little bitch” anymore when I expressed my displeasure or observations. I was just RIGHT, and women just don’t like that. Too bad for them.

Welcome and enjoy your stay.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[RabidcavemanParticipant]

No means no put the burden of proof of rape, on the accuser. Yes means yes puts the burden of proof of rape, on the accused. Guilty until proven innocent.

This mostly applies to colleges(state-run) because apparently women are getting raped everywhere in college these days. Filming without consent is ILLEGAL in California, and YES this bill was signed into law. Bills like this will appear in every state in the next couple of years, so expect it to appear in the state where you reside. Please also remember that bills like this will probably me modified to include the whole population of that state(not just colleges).

This instance is where the idea that “women want to be taken” is not reasonable. Though I agree, and I’ve done this a few times before, it won’t matter. The rape accusations will come, and they will come fast and furiously. This bill redefines the concept of “buyer’s remorse”.

PUA blogs are picking up on this, also. I read PUA s~~~ because I love how these men make it their “noble” goal to get Western whores to spread their legs. As Barbarossa points out in the great video, “PUA Roissy on MGTOW”, he explains how these men are just expressing their “masculinity” THROUGH women. This “alpha” “beta” bulls~~~ has to go, and these “alphas” will begin to realize their little pranks and tricks will send them to jail if they aren’t careful.

I picked Jack Reacher because I saw the movie and was impressed with how the character was portrayed as kicking ass, taking names but not taking phone numbers from bitches. Anyhow watch the movie and you will see.

I heard a concept that was associated with Barbarossa, and it really resonated with me so I want to include it in the intro and see if it connects. The concept of not waiting for that mother validation from bitches because it isnt coming, you have to go your own way. That is really powerful and I wish I heard it 25 years ago.

I lost a lot of my life with drugs and alcohol dealing with childhood abuse and betrayal, from you guessed it, dear old mom. And yet my coping mechanism besides what I mentioned, was to be a white night because bitches couldn’t be wrong. Right?

So I made every f~~~ing excuse for their s~~~, including befriending a toxic feminist bitch for over 20 years who further polluted my identity and thoughts. Until I could not reconcile the contradictions of feminism and her selfish, bitch, entitled, neurotic behaviour any more and cut her loose. The most frightening thing is as f~~~ed up as she is, she is a major player in the feminist scene here, and I found many like her in the movement. And the awareness of how f~~~ed up these feminist “shot callers” are was a huge wake up call and turning point for me. These are the ones lobbying for legislative, educational, political and societal changes to favour feminism.

So now I am working on self sovereignty and detoxifying my brain of the feminist garbage, ironically as even many women are doing.

[braininavatParticipant]

A lot of MGTOWs are influenced by evolutionary psychology, and if you follow this approach, yes, there is a “way” that women are like and a “way” that men are like. There are some really wonderful lectures on evolutionary psychology by Allen D. Macneill. I can’t recommend this strongly enough. If you want to learn something about evolutionary psychology, this is the place to start. Check out your local library to see if they have these available.

http://www.amazon.com/The-Modern-Scholar-Evolutionary-Psychology/dp/B00435HBGO

Once you give yourself a little intellectual background, you can branch out from there.

Men and women have distinct mating and procreation strategies. Barbarossa has rightly observed that men and women are not partners in reproduction, they are rivals. The mating strategies that have best served men to leave their genetic material for the next generation has shaped male biology, hence evolutionary psychology, while the mating strategies that have best served women to leave their genetic material for the next generation has similarly shaped female biology, hence evolutionary psychology.

Women have only a finite number of eggs that they can bring to maturity in a finite number of years. They need to get the best sperm they can for each and every egg they can bring to maturity, and they need to find the best possible support and protection for themselves and their young children during that period of time when they cannot provide for themselves or their children. Hence, alpha fux and beta bux. Men have an almost unlimited amount of sperm, and they leave the greatest genetic legacy by impregnating as many young and healthy females as they possibly can. To pass up on a chance to impregnate a woman (i.e., to pass up on a chance for sex) is the same as genetic suicide. The women we find most attractive are those that have the phenotypical markers of health (good genes): clear skin, well endowed with secondary sexual characteristics, muscular coordination (the best looking girls tend to be the best dancers), etc. We find these attractive because they are healthy; men in the past who were attracted to this phenotypic profile were more successful in leaving their genetic legacy.

That we have typical patterns of behavior does not mean that we cannot do otherwise. Most people will be on what Stardusk calls “autopilot,” but simply becoming self-aware of your instinctual drives will make it possible for you to critique your own impulses, acting only upon those that benefit you. This is the true definition of freedom, not “doing whatever you want.”

Women, too, have this ability as do men. If you live long enough, you will meet a small handful of both men and women who have used their prefrontal cortex functions to overcome their instinctual drives. They are outliers. Most people, by definition, are to be found in the bulge of the bell curve. Most women you meet will be in the bulge of the bell curve, as will most men. But if you spend a lifetime educating yourself, you can use your exceptional hominid brain to raise yourself above biological drives. That is a choice. Not everyone makes this choice, even if they have a brain that makes it possible. We human beings have equality of opportunity, but not equality of condition.

[braininavatParticipant]

RE: VileNord

About a past “Golden Age” I recommend Stardusk’s video “Patriarchy is dead. Send flowers.” One of the great merits of both Stardusk and Barbarossa is their near total rejection of traditionalism, which gives their critique an extra and interesting edge. This is what drew me in. Until I started listening to them, the only critique I had heard of feminism was the traditionalist critique, and this was uninteresting. The MGTOW critique of feminism and feminized society is distinctive, but easily mistaken for traditionalism, so those making the critique need to go out of their way in distancing themselves from traditionalism.

“If the egregiousness of the feminist movement’s transgressions thus far have not caused their own demise, then they will continue to get worse until they do.” Karen Straughan and Stardusk have argued that this demise will come about as a catastrophic collapse of social institutions; this is the “fempocalypse.” I think it will come about gradually, with the ground shifting even as true believers convince themselves that nothing has changed. KeyMaster, above, thinks the shift has already started. You suggest that things have to get much worse before things get better. I think I am in the middle on the question. I don’t think that the shift has really gotten started, but I also do not think that the status quo can remain unchanged. As you imply, people will put up with horrific institutions that make their life miserable for a long time before they will be willing to actually risk a change to these institutions.

By the way, I’m also in the hipsterland of Portland.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Unsure if you are aware of “The Catalogue of Shaming Tactics” (can’t imagine a MGTOW who isn’t), but after reading your first paragraph, you already listed some of the most common. It is the very first post we kicked off our website with… and Barbarossa’s “The Post Feminism Man” is the first video. Your first paragraph is precisely why.

After searching for the source of the endless stream of their snide comments in everyday conversations, you can imagine my delight when I originally found them. Someone had already uncovered, collected and deconstructed them, and suddenly, it all became clear. They even went so far as to list canned replies to these empty-headed epithets, which are hurled automatically – and without any original thought to what they are saying.

It’s always interesting to hear women pretend to be authorities on “manhood” (telling men to “man up and grow a pair of b~~~~”) when even they don’t have any, and wouldn’t know the first thing about having “b~~~~”. Men who actually do “man up” threaten their very fabric of their existence. “Man up and grow a pair of b~~~~” is actually an incomplete sentence. It should be: “man up and grow a pair of b~~~~…. so I can kick you in them”.

She attacks the man at every opportunity since grade school, and then accuses him for not being one.
Women cultivate this themselves. And since when have women reacted favorably to men who actually ARE?

In everything women say, in every stupid Daily Mail article, in every useless bit of “dating advice” they yammer on about, and with every bulls~~~ attempt to get you to a “be a better man”, they don’t even WANT you to have “b~~~~”. They want you to be an insecure little girl.

I found that in a sea of garbage uttered by young women on the kind of “man with b~~~~” she is talking about. No “man with b~~~~” will call you back after you hang up on him, you stupid little child. You can get a girlfriend for that.

You bunch are so insecure

No SHE is. She has been busting her ass to RAISE him to be insecure, then gives him a list of requests (a recipe) for how to be a weakling, begging him to raise her self esteem – because she is so f~~~ing insecure. And the only way she can try and get man’s attention is to accuse him of not being one. This, in an attempt to get a “man” to run up to her and prove that he is a man with b~~~~. And the only man who would, is a complete SUCKER.

We have better and more important things to do. We don’t exist to make women feel better about themselves.

Yet she has a huge problem with men.

Of course she does. And she created that problem. The very s~~~ she asked for, is exactly what she will resent him for when he gives it to her. Women deliberately cultivate the disasters in their own personal lives – over and over and over again.

She wanted a weakling, and that’s exactly what she got.

No man worth anything would ever want to give that s~~~e a go.
She doesn’t deserves a man with b~~~~.
She deserves exactly what she asked for – and got.
… and to be ignored, by a man with b~~~~.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Total LeeParticipant]

Cap is the The Wall™ guy? I love that movie you guys made. Another guy Ian said in the “about” section that he was enjoying “the wall” and I kept seeing and hearing this. Then, when I finally figured out what “the wall” was, I was howling. I heard you’re working on a Hypergamy trailer, but can’t imagine how you can put that into visuals? The anticipation is killing me. I think it would be cool for you guys to also make narrative videos like Barbarossa and Sandman. They are fun to listen to in the car on my phone.

I had a girl with me and was listening to a Tom Leykis clip just got see her reaction. I don’t remember where you suggested this but it was a great idea! I just pretending like it came on by accident. As I was chuckling she was fuming.

[braininavatParticipant]

It is one of the ironies of the contemporary idea of tolerance that it has become a highly intolerant ideology. We’ve all seen the videos of women protesting speaking engagements of Warren Farrell. And have you ever listened to Dr. Farrell? He comes off as a real Caspar Milquetoast. By that I mean he is soft-spoken, reasonable, careful with his statistics, never over-the-top in his critique. But even this is too much for the ideologically-motivated gender feminists. I like to imagine what might happen if Barbarossa or Stardusk gave a public lecture on a college campus. It might trigger the decline and fall of civilization. Even the smallest deviation from the party line of the superficially tolerant is enough to get you frozen out. For ordinary folks this doesn’t have to be catastrophic, but for academics it would mean the end of their career, and so we can understand how the intolerance of “tolerance” has blossomed on university campuses. Nothing is acceptable other that rigid indoctrination and complete self-abasement before the party line.

You’re certainly right that the vast majority of women identify as left/liberal, and I see this as a completely straight-forward translation of political interests. Many MGTOW sources have analyzed in some detail how the income-redistributing nanny state is essentially a feminist creation that takes men’s productivity and re-distributes it to women. (There is a WIC program, but there is no MIC program; there are quotas for women, but none for men, etc.) There are subtle and politically sophisticated ways of doing this without ever explicitly acknowledging that this is what is being done. The PPACA is only the only the most recent, obvious, and potentially expensive examples of this. Politicians pander to the female vote, because women are the majority of voters and regularly turn out to vote in their interest. Again, Barbarossa and Stardusk have both developed the idea that feminism is “weaponized female nature” and “non-stop female advocacy” and that women will continue to vote in subsidies for women even when it harms them. I think it was Barbarossa who noted that in the university context this means that female subsidies and preferences have resulted in a male-hostile environment that means that husband-hunting women actually disadvantage themselves by reducing the number of men on campus. Why are more women than men today getting degrees? What is the source of this social crisis? Maybe it has something to do with colleges systematically marginalizing men and male interests.

In short, women’s “tolerance” means “tolerance for men doing what women say that men should do and be.” That’s it. And even then it’s not enough. We all know that women are contemptuous of the white knights and pathetic male feminists who advocate for women’s interests, and it is the alpha thugs that they want to f~~~, as long as they can find a “dad” to pay the bills for their offspring. The more men who refuse to be chump, the more this female strategy will be self-defeating. Until then, we are stuck with “tolerance.” Fortunately we all get to enjoy the warm fuzzies for living in such a tolerant society.