My two cents…

[IvanenParticipant 6]

Greetings, gentlemen. I am a 49 year old male who has been pretty much doing the MGTOW thing since 2008 without even realizing MGTOW was a thing.

I first came upon “Girl Writes What” on YouTube about a year and a half ago and discovered that there was actually a Men’s Rights Movement. It was uplifting to realize that there were actually women (at least one) that had her head screwed on right. Sometime in July 2014 it lead me to MGTOW videos on YouTube and for the first time i realized that what i was doing and what i observed was not exclusive to myself. I am now seeking out other MGTOW videos and groups to expand my knowledge about the philosophy and movement.

I am a divorced man and have had some girlfriends since my divorce, but each relationship had gone bad, and I was clueless as to why. Since i have found the MGTOW vids on YouTube, i now have a much better understanding of what went on. I am not going relate the intimate details since doing so would make me sound like the whining bitch i divorced, so suffice to say, it was a learning experience i would prefer not to go through again, but i am glad that I am now the wiser for it. I no longer date, though i do still have a few female friends who are just that, friends.

Looking forward to getting to know you all.

Esse Quam Videri

[AposematicParticipant 2671]

Welcome.. you will be right at ease here Ivanen.

 

Afinogyny.. from the Greek Afino {to abandon/ to set down/ to leave /to allow/ to let } + Gyny {Women} MGHOW’s philosophy to not engage women without “hating them”. Narcorca =Narcissistic Orca typically spouting to a bathroom mirror taking an arms length selfie ; Wallinate describes post wall females whose SMV is terminally negligible New Years resolution "To not make women happy" . Instadestitue: yet another Neologism for Men that cohabit with women that decide to pull the handle of intervention orders.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

@ivanen. Your 2 cents is worth more than you think.

A great % of MGTOW have the identical intro to tell. It’s interesting, men often feel talking about it makes them come across as a “whining bitch”. In fact that’s popular accusation, but that’s something which has been engrained in you since birth. The message: Your pain or hardships are irrelevant. “Take it like a man”. etc.

I knew a girl I was pretty close friends with since grade school, and when she was going through a break-up and her fiancé left, she was listened to, consoled, and expected comforting and “cheering up”. Then one day. about 5 of us were out one night, and one of the guys started going off about his GF cheating & leaving. SHE – HERSELF – said “you’re just bitter” and mocked him. “Not all women are like that. Stop whining” she said and laughed at his justifiable anger for his life being turned upside down. Same girl. My indifference to her is now equal to a flatline on a heart monitor.

I don’t even share her joy about announcing she is pregnant and expecting wildly ecstatic congratulations from everyone.

“So what. You had unprotected sex. Big deal. Stop expecting congratulations for that. It’s embarrassing.”

It’s the response she deserves, really.

More men ought to put this in perspective for women when they post their pregnant pictures all over social media like they are the first pregnant woman – ever. And they do this without the father in the photo too. Look at ME. I am pregnant. I am. Here I am from all angles. Here is me one week later. Here is me 2 weeks later. Look at me. But the man who impregnated her is nowhere to be seen. Why not? Why doesn’t she make an equally big overture about the fact that he ejaculated in her? He had unprotected sex too! Does he not get a big party, 3 million “likes”, and shower of gifts too?

In fact, it was the “not all women are like that” comment which stuck out the most.I heard this just ONE too many times. So I googled it and found this video.

/video/nawalt/

There’s actually an ACRONYM for that too! “NAWALT”. I could’t believe it.

That was how I stumbled on MGHOW Barbarossa… and I listened to all of videos back to back. Some of them more than once. The dude had perfectly articulated all of my thoughts – in one video after another. Imagine arriving at this realization, and finding an entire population of men who have deconstructed the s~~~ I heard women say over and over again. Mind blowing to say the least.

The burden of accepting every flaw, mistake or wrong-doing as my own had suddenly been lifted…. and I realized, I wasn’t a “whining little bitch” anymore when I expressed my displeasure or observations. I was just RIGHT, and women just don’t like that. Too bad for them.

Welcome and enjoy your stay.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[IvanenParticipant 6]

Thank you, Gentlemen.

@keymaster. NAWALT was one of the first phrases i had heard, and if i recall correctly helped lead me to the MGTOW videos. I have seen several of Barbarosa’s videos, among others. I find myself listening quite a bit to Sandman who often manages to reach me with his insights, i enjoy listening to Sargon of Akkad as well.

Thanks again for welcoming me. Excelsior!

Esse Quam Videri

[Anonymous 0]

Hi Ivanen,

welcome at MGTOW. I am nearly in the samw Age like you, so I guess we are going to become the Senior MGTOWs, but not to old to…., you got the idea.

I am doing the MGTOW thing since the late 90s also without even realizing MGTOW was a Thing.

CHEERS !!!

 

[DocParticipant 112]

Welcome Ivanen. I have heard too many older guys say they wouldn’t want to be 21 again for all the tea in China. I ask around and generally the pulse is pretty upbeat and they prefer their lives now then 20 years prior. I don’t think it’s bulls~~~ either. It always comes off very genuine and emphatic. This mostly applies if the guy is red pill. I have never heard one man regret taking it no matter how bitter it tastes. They wouldn’t trade their red pill wisdom for anything.

[IvanenParticipant 6]

Doc, I wish i had today’s knowledge back when i was 21; it would have saved me so much in so many ways. Unfortunately, i was such a white knight, i needed to go through what i did to get where i am now. I am glad there are young men out there willing to listen and learn. For years, my personal quote has been, “No one ever listens to me, especially when i am right”.  Come to think of it, it seems the ones not listening to me were women…

Esse Quam Videri

[Anonymous 0]

Hi Ivanen,

of course I wish I had the knowledge from today when I was 21 what not means that I want to be 21 yet, or going back to the late 1980’s when I was 21, with my knowledge from today. It is not all about knowledge, it is about life. I agree that you and also I would do a lot of things in another way or just even not doing some things but would that be our life ?
Would that really be me ? The truth must be lived and not be lectured.  And so we all make our experiences, sooner or later.
Of course I met some guys they got it like this way:

Some people are living with such amazing routine, that it is hard to believe they are living for the first time.
(Stanislaw Jerzy Lec)

CHEERS !!!

[IvanenParticipant 6]

Hello Hollowmile,

I agree, it is about life, but what is life but a series of experiences where we gain knowledge? If we are truly sentient we should be analyzing those experiences for the knowledge, applying that knowledge to make better decisions and passing it on to others who (hopefully) may learn from our experience without making the same mistakes as we had.

Very often though, it is our nature to have to go through s~~~ in order to avoid it in the future, so yes we often must live through adversity to learn truth. I still believe there is a value to the lecture, but only for those looking and willing to accept  the lecture. People learn in different ways, different methods should ideally be available so people may learn in whatever way best suits them.

Excelsior!

Esse Quam Videri

[torch1980Participant 93]

I am not going relate the intimate details since doing so would make me sound like the whining bitch i divorced,

 

 

 

Expressing yourself in a constructive matter, and letting things out is not “whinning” in my opinion, women feel that way about men because women think men should be emotionless, atm machines, f~~~ dolls, and actors…

"I think of a man, and I take away reason & accountability"

[jambearParticipant 282]

Hey Ivanen,

I shared a bit of my own pathetic past as a former white knight, mangina, blue pill taking,  pussy whipped punk I can safely say no one will think of you as a whiny bitch. Ever.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

@ivanen Sandman I enjoy as an excellent ADDITION to others because he offers up his own personal anecdotes. Perhaps he does it as a form catharsis. Barb speaks more in the aggregate with a universal oversight and stays away from specific personal examples. His insight is philosophical and you can apply them to specifics.

I think we all wished we knew it at 21

HO BOY! how much fun would that be! to go back to high school or college armed with what we know today? The girls would be FINISHED and would have gone home crying. But don’t kid yourself, the older women are doing exactly the same thing. In their minds, they are wishing they said “yes” a little more often. That they said “THANK YOU” a little more often… instead of behaving like pouting little arrogant bitches as if every guy was “not good enough” for her.

/video/women-over-the-hill/

He’s not “whining”… he’s LAUGHING now.

Fortunately NATURE has a terrific way of restoring the balance and you have much to look forward to.
If you ask enough guys 35+, they wouldn’t want to go back for anything. Because it gets BETTER. MUCH better.

Make sure you enjoy it. Especially when they come calling again.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

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