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Hi everyone

Well i will try not to bore Everyone with Wishful thinking here but i thought it be fun to have a topic where we can think on the ramifications of technologies that might be used in a MGTOW way.

Disclaimer, all i say here is highly speculative so everything is to be taken with a large grain of salt. Also If i am just restating topics from before well i guess we having a repetition.

Sex Bots: Ye we all knew this was on the agenda. While yes we all know (i hope) this would directly challenge the power structure women have over the sexual market.
http://www.asylum.com/2009/09/17/will-this-german-sex-doll-eliminate-the-need-for-girlfriends/
The Link above serves as a example for for was the advances in 2009, current androids haven’t had much update as far i know. As we can see the jump out from the uncanny valley might not be to far away.
So what things do we need to work on before the Majority starts to take keen interest in these robots and not just the MGTOWs seeking a escape or a replacement? Well as said before the dreaded uncanny valley is one of many just for in appearance. Following the uncanny valley we got the problem of movement, Mimicking human movement is surprisingly difficult, just the function of walking have had robotic scientists hard working for years and they are still working on it and movement alone is a important factor or else we might be freaked out. Lastly we got the AI part, now this is close to a break through of some kind as a AI had made some advancement by being the Ai closed to date to passing the Turing test.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/technology/jamiebartlett/100013858/no-eugene-didnt-pass-the-turing-test-but-he-will-soon/
Barbarossa also did give us his opinion in his review on the movie “Her” that interaction is important for the male mind.

Now why is this all important in the grand scheme? Well to me this is a challenge to female nature. If we are to look at this is in the free market. Let us take the current thought of What women have to bargain with in the sexual market is sex and this has been proven again and again that is over inflated and over priced. What the Sex bot would do is compete with women on that stage and they would win with a mile. What in speculative terms would mean is that we see a long period of shaming tactics(always pulling that card aren’t they?) but after some time they might realize that what they are doing is pointless and change their behavior.
Now we have seen this change in behavior before or at least once did and that was during the time when divorce was not without fault and the economic value of such behavior was against them. This was the time women were on their best behavior, And is this something we want? have women treat us nicely just because they having to compete for our attention? For some this enough for them but MGTOW has already proven we won’t take bargain bin products just to satisfy our needs.
So will men chose Sex bots above women? Possibly in the current most likely as we just spiraling downward so such tech might be our jump of point but again we far away from it but we are closer than we have ever been.

Artificial Womb: Now we all know what this one could mean. This Technology is a direct challenge to the holy grail what in biological terms makes a woman important. We going to skip the bit where people who cant have children how important this is for them and how this might “liberate women” part. No i am talking about the direct part of a guy can be the one and only parent to a child. Right now the trouble is two fold, one hand we got the part the technology is not complete and due to ethical push back the research is at a stand still and on the other hand we still need a woman’s egg to inseminate to make a fetus grow. Now we get to the wishful thinking part where we can speculate the research into stem fields where they recreated a neanderthal sperm from Stem cells so with any lucky they might be able to reverse it eggs.
Now what does this whole ordeal mean for us? Well one could make the argument that mankind (no pun intended) will separate the genders and we live our life without the other, The problems that arise from one exploiting the other is now gone. However now comes the big arrow in the knee (puns!) both parents are still needed for the childs development as we can see from single mother homes. There we can see the damage just cutting out one of the parents leads to a lot of damage in the child and society.
Ultimately we still need to other but with any luck we might be able to make the sex bots so close to the real deal that the child will accept it as its mother however light years away.

Now to end this i just have to say, all this is just thoughts i have had so dont take anything to serious. Also for those who think i am trying to exterminate women i say how? i just cutting them out of the equation and i let them make their own choices without any men to pitch in.

Stay Strong Mgtows

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Overlap? Not exactly… but it is very common for a man (dare I say “beta” type) who isn’t naturally gifted or “successful” with women to take an interest in PUA culture in an attempt to garner more notch counts on his journey. He is led to believe he has been doing everything “wrong”, that it’s HIS fault she left…. and if only he practiced “game”, she wouldn’t have made the exit.

( There is a certain and very real truth to this, which makes it all the more appealing. )

But, it is culturally force-fed to men that getting laid is a sign of “success”… and NOT getting laid makes him a “loser”. Any man can seen this everywhere in examples from Elliot Roger to women who perpetuate this nonsense themselves – with comments like “you’re just mad because you can’t get laid”, and “you probably don’t get laid very much” – simply because he typed something she didn’t like.

That’s what makes it so ridiculous. In making these comments, women are implying that access to the damp hole between their legs is the pinnacle of male “success”. She is directly communicating that SEX is the most valuable thing on earth (and the most valuable thing women have), when in reality, she’s effectively saying she doesn’t have anything better to offer. Too many men will believe it and buy into it. Women are counting on this illusion, because nothing is more threatening to female power than a man who isn’t remotely interested in f~~~ing her. She can no longer control or manipulate with vagina when a man arrives at the conclusion that the juice simply isn’t worth the squeeze.

So his brief stop as a PUA is short lived. Because he’s not ACTUALLY the dark-maned “alpha” lion – and will never be. He is merely pretending to be one. And, as Barbarossa points out….. PUA’s attempt to convince you that after studying what women want (as opposed to what they say they want), that “game” isn’t about – and SOLELY about -giving women what they want.

Eventually, he learns giving women what they want is bloody exhausting.
So it’s not entirely unusual that a PUA eventually begins to wear a MGTOW hat. Many of them admit this.

It’s only a matter of time when a man realizes that the pursuit of women never pays…. it only costs.
And he would be more rewarded to pursue other things that pay and give him what HE wants – on HIS terms from now on.

It’s very common for PUA to be a brief stop on the journey to MGTOW. So that’s where you get the “overlap”.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

@ether_ore Really great questions

How can you be going your own way, if you are still involved with women(?)

It’s empirically unrealistic to not be involved with women – if not impossible. 51% of people are women. That means even if you DONT want to associate (or meet) a woman, you are MORE LIKELY to interact with women. Women are also extremely horny creatures. And it’s a fact that showing NO interest in them actually has the reverse effect and will even heighten her desire (or attraction) even more. If you don’t want a woman around, (and even come right out and tell them so!) they will make more of an effort to infiltrate your life. It’s remarkable really.

Many MGTOW have a “sex if it’s free” attitude and “who cares?” if it’s not. They (we) can take it or leave it. In an environment where sex (without commitment) is more available than ever and women have more sexual partners than men, it would follow that MGTOW enjoy some of it. No guilt by association is required, because sex is the entire biological point between men and women. There is no need for any man to apologize for this. It is biological destiny.

“Own” is the key word in the phrase. Your OWN way. You started out by calling it a “movement”. And while it has (and will have) a profound and noticable cultural effect, it’s not really a movement, but rather a lifestyle choice that varies from individual to individual and HE outlines this on his own terms. “Ghosting” is also in our glossary and some MGTOW go “ghost” while living off the grid… while others are fully functioning citizens living downtown, with regular jobs but refuse to let women into their homes and personal lives.

The degree of MGTOW is vast and very different for each.

It doesn’t mean plenty of sex isn’t going on. Sex is the entire biological point between men and women. Living together, hand holding, marriage contracts and silly valentine’s day romantic stunts and such bulls~~~ is not. The human race will continue without all the crap women want on top of sex. And their sexuality is the reason why. Sexual abstinence may be YOUR way, and you can be sure there are plenty of MGTOW who understand and empathize WHY. Maybe that’s the core ingredient for you. But the reasons for sexual abstinence can vary greatly too…… from refusing to contract a social disease because 80% (4 out of 5) of sexually active American women have contracted some kind before the age of 21….. to refusing to have a kid, or avoiding a possible false “rape” charge. The reasons are perfectly understandable whatever yours may be. Some MGTOW also abstain involuntarily, and that list of reasons is long too. But even they are not necessarily virgins.

But really, does being addicted to a woman constitute freedom or independence?

No it doesn’t actually. NOT being addicted to women constitutes freedom and independence. A take it or leave it attitude is all that’s required. PUAs are actually more “addicted to women” and there is more on that for you below.

I think it’s time for the MGTOW movement to get real.

It is VERY real as the resounding plight for men to return to the plantation is accelerating at an epic pace, and you can read about it the countless articles published by women entitled “where have all the men gone”?.

I guess for me… I don’t want to be hurt, subjugated or used by women. I don’t want to have anything to do with them at all. But, to be consistent, and honorable, I shouldn’t want to do any of those things to them either.

That’s very noble of you. But it may surprise you that you may be confusing MGTOW with PUA’s. You must also realize and accept that consensual sex doesn’t happen unless a woman wants it to. The hit-it-and-quit-it accusation against men fails in light of the fact that women now have more sexual partners than men. So who are the hitters and quitters now?

You are much more honorable than women are, and extending them the courtesy they do not extend to you. More importantly, she may even come home and toss you a baby and say “here, this is yours” — when it isn’t. Even when a man hits-it-and-quits-it, he’s never going to force her into motherhood and 216 monthly payments. But there is an entire population of men out there unknowingly fathering children that are not theirs. Some men are even in prison – right now – after being ordered to pay child support for children that are not theirs. A man who hits it and quits it doesn’t even come close to that kind of horror.

What does ‘PUA’ stand for?

PUA means “pick up artist”… or those who practice “game” as a learned or natural male behavior. They study and adopt the behavioral traits of the “alpha” male (even though they may not be) in attempting to heighten female attraction and to get western sluts to open their legs. Common MGTOW & Manosphere terminology (including PUA) can be found on our glossary of terminology page.

Noteworthy PUA sites (random off the top) include Chateau Heartiste and Return of Kings Although ROK also many MGTOW elements and participants. You may also be interested in the opposite anti-PUA perspective from MGTOW vlogger Barbarossa in his excellent video on “Deconstructing Game”

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

@ebansoul. Terrific opener. 100 acres? Congratulations are certainly in order, and in more ways than one.

It’s fascinating thing how a man can drone away on autopilot and his curiosity leads to a Google search where he might stumble on a fragment from the Manosphere. Suddenly, it pings something in his consciousness (which he was aware of but couldn’t quite put his finger on) and it awakens a sleeping giant.

For me, I tripped on Barbarossa’s video on “NAWALT”, and still have the bump to prove it.

Thanks for joining! Pleasure to welcome you.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

@thebard & @vilenord….

Actually, she started out rather gracious and complimented everyone on the mega-truth and brutal honesty being spoken here and which she found across the site – saying in a couple of sentences that it was refreshing and rare. But true to predictable form, it was no more than a fist in a velvet glove, because she turned around and immediately posted “that’s ridiculous” in response to something else… with no willingness or ability to even show WHY it was “ridiculous”.

Either way, we don’t give a s~~~. The “Post-Feminism Man” (by Barbarossa) is the very first post / video on our website for a reason.

“The post feminism man isn’t worried about pleasing women, because he sees any woman who isn’t pleased with him as insignificant. He has a hair-trigger mechanism engrained into every fibre of his being that simultaneously, and reflexively, detaches him from any female who gives him even one iota of feminist bulls~~~.”

And all that from memory. Cheers.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

@Ether_one that’s a clever user name. Smiled when I first saw it. Welcome and thanks for joining. Very pleased you’re here and you can rest knowing we strictly enforce a male-only community as it politely says right on our forum / about page and the join page. You can get away from the toxic broads, because we don’t permit them to read or comment. One tried to enter the forum a couple of hours ago, and true to form, her first post was the predictable fist in a velvet glove as she pretended to agree and compliment us on the honesty and truth she uncovered here….. followed almost immediately by another comment “that’s ridiculous”. Of course, and also true to form, there was no interest or ability in showing WHY something was “ridiculous”, she just sprayed her unwanted and uninvited comment the way a woman does when she walks into any room full of men (like say, when men are playing poker, or otherwise enjoying themselves), and she can f~~~ off this website to Yahoo or Facebook for that s~~~. Ejected.

So please make yourself at home.
Enjoyed your poetic rhymes.

AVFM originally and almost immediately reached out to us the moment we opened our doors and offered “a handshake in passing” (an official article by that name followed) to which we were very receptive – wishing us well at establishing a footprint in the Manosphere. Although this gesture was not necessary in my opinion, we did a little clicking around and noticed the presence of some animosity between both groups – which we don’t fully understand and have no real interest in caring about. We offer our out-stretched hand to EVERY man with questions or answers, or a desire to find a place where he can “belong” and kick his shoes off without some bitch giving him s~~~ for leaving them in the middle of the room.

Even MGTOW will occasionally sling flaming arrows at each other, and I have connected with a few others who were automatically “banned” and ejected without good (or some silly) reason from the previous MGTOWForums, which according to some reports (and experience), had a rather hostile Gatekeeper who was ultra-rigid about those he accepted into the discussions. Can’t blame though, the attempts to infiltrate must have been overwhelming at times, and it might have worked for them to make it policy to eject – rather than accept – for a variety of reasons.

Found it surprising that you were booted from AVFM, but thanks for your respectable retraction and announcing why it could have been misunderstood. It seems curious that they have female(s) headlining some of their videos, article and comments, but there was one which I found to be MOST disturbing….. where a woman opened an “A VOICE FOR MEN(?)” video with all the inappropriate sarcasm only a woman can muster. The video starts, and her first words are “3 minutes and I haven’t been raped yet. It’s a good day.”…. as if this was some kind of attempt at humor. Now I don’t know about you guys, or your standards, but when I am about to sit down and watch a video intended to be in the male best interest – among an endless sea of gynocentric bulls~~~ we are all sick of DROWNING in – to hear a woman begin with: “3 minutes and I haven’t been raped yet. It’s a good day.” is enough for any man to say he has finally had ENOUGH. OF. THAT. S~~~.

Don’t even care what the message was beyond that point, it was ruined right out of the gate.

Casting a woman as a speaker on behalf of men is capital B.A.D no matter what the context. You can meet “traditional” women anywhere who flatly REFUSE to identify as feminists, but they are some of the most toxic examples around. I can even think of a few in my own personal life, who even if they APPEAR to want to be a team player (or say they want a “traditional” relationship)….. that ALWAYS ends up being code-speak for “work like a slave so I can live comfortably”. This end game is perhaps the most DANGEROUS around, because it is packaged and presented as well meaning…. but it’s still just about giving women what they want.

No.

So I trotted over to AVFM while enjoying a nice cabernet and read a few more articles which – if not aware that the sarcasm is intentional – can be read right off the page as if a feminist / Jezebel wrote it. Sometimes in 3 full paragraphs. Some of it clever – perhaps TOO clever and snide – because sarcasm doesn’t translate in print. Sarcasm requires tone of voice and body language to be effective, and it is something women overuse to SUCH a degree that it allows them to claim plausible deniability and turn around at ANY time to say “that’s not what I meant”. Convenient.

Women don’t even know when (or why) they are using it! It’s just caked on everything like ranch dressing.

If you don’t SAY WHAT YOU MEAN… you cannot possibly MEAN WHAT YOU SAY.

And that’s why silly sarcasm needs to stay THE F~~~ out of male discussions and the Manosphere – especially at AVFM – unless you know exactly how to use it. Like when brilliantly toppling a debate opponent’s statue with a cutting sarcastic remark AFTER you have said everything else and communicated it clearly.

• Barbarossa is direct, and is VERY CLEAR when he is being sarcastic.
• Sandman is so straight in his delivery I have never heard him be sarcastic in any ONE of his 190 videos.
• Chapin is facing the camera at all times and his crooked mouth and over-animated style shows CLEARLY what he means, and when he doesn’t.
… and MANY MGTOW lay it right on the line with no room for misinterpretation.
But a woman who looks at her watch and starts off a video by saying “3 minutes and I haven’t been raped yet. It’s a good day”??

F~~~ off.

That’s why I prefer the male-only delivery of the message. And I know I’m not alone.
Nice chatting. And welcome again.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

Over on the “introductions” forum IggyThunder gave a nice summary of how women’s online profiles change with their age. This was spot-on.

Women’s online profiles are even more revealing than they are intended to be once you take the time to learn the interpretative skills that MGTOW teaches. I’ve been spending the past year or so watching every Stardusk, Barbarossa, Sandman, and Spetsnaz video on Youtube (among others), and have been immersing myself in this new way of thinking about human relationships.

There is another video blogger, HHKcalgary (https://www.youtube.com/user/hhkcalgary/videos), who produced a video in which he talks about watching the same videos, and how they made the “ghost” that he had been wrestling with start to become visible.

This is the video:

I find this to be a powerful metaphor, and I have experienced this myself. I have seen the ghost of which I was formerly only dimly aware — a ghost that haunted me, but was invisible, and extraordinarily difficult to pin down. Having taken the trouble to master the MGTOW vocabulary, when I read online profiles now, every single line has a subtext now. The ghost is visible.

The kind of profiles described by IggyThunder, and which anyone can read by visiting online dating sites, give you every possible permutation of the rationalization hamster and show every possible red flag. If you ever had a NAWALT moment, and you weakened, just go read some dating profiles, and you will see that all women really are like that. Read between the lines and the ghost becomes palpably visible.

There is an advice book for women called The Script:

http://www.amazon.com/Script-Absolutely-Predictable-Things-Cheat/dp/1401308422/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1405989843&sr=1-1&keywords=the+script

The book purports to tell women the predictable “script” that men read from when men cheat. MGTOW gives men “The Script” for women, which tells you how to interpret the utterly predictable things that women say, but which you might not have realized if you didn’t connect the dots on your own, of if you haven’t encountered MGTOW.

Educate yourself. Knowledge is power. Knowledge of women is power over women, even if the only thing one learns is that you can’t win. Think it through. Take your time. It will make sense eventually.

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