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[DanceMyOwnWayParticipant]

Not got a whole lot more to say but I think my words are being deliberately skewed here. My ideas of MGTOW are largely inclusive, but I think it’s a bad idea to water down the concept to include blue pill ideas. There are male fitness or PUA spaces for those guys. There’s a fair degree of crossover but they are still following the gynocentric paradigm and they are not then going their own way, because on some level the pussy is driving the behaviour.

Having a reasonable talk about self actualization is one thing, saying MGTOW is !literally anything you want it to be mocks and denigrates the idea. I’m fine with reasonable discussion.

Not much more to add on this subject – highly recommend people to check out the early content of ManWomanMyth, Coterie, Barbarossa, Stardusk, early Sandman. They are all saying much the same as me.

Cheers.

If you fall down 7 times, get up 8

[Gravel PitParticipant]

Listen Charlie, you need to quit with this surface level crap from BB and go find the Golden Era Content, the paydirt. Anyway, goodluck… LOL. I know you dont care and wont listen until some Gash makes the phone call on YOU… then you wont be singing NAWALT anymore.

What is MGTOW? Answers: Philosophy and the Why. Basic Stardusk/Barbarossa

[Vajra VarahaParticipant]

Gravel Pit wrote:

Good question Autolite, great answer Narwhal.
Particularly the evolutionary conditioning in our genes themselves which encourage favoring women over men. Couple that with the smothering lust for sex.
The Blue Pill is SO strong.
It makes you wonder, how are there as many MGTOW as there are! … with these biological precedents that should have us at our knees to women. And there lies the rub.
Modernity: the gradual subtraction of social systems of dependence amongst males and females. At first, it was as innocent as the invention of a washing machine which freed up a few hours a week for women. 150 specific inventions later, women have the entire week to themselves with zero accountability or responsibility socially or legally.
What does Modernity specifically do to the process of male/female courtship? It flat out compromised and outsourced the need for a male in a woman’s life. Some argue that the Men Going Their Own Way have been SENT their own way. But this is only partially true. Because of Sexual Marketplace Value, men become more valuable in their mid to late 30s, and even more so in their 40s and further. Sure, you can argue that men in their twenties are largely “incels” sent their own way, but in 10 years, women will be trying to flush them out of their shells and lock them down in marriage. That is not being sent away, that is being hunted!
So Men are the Prize as Barbarossa said. You were always the prize. The time for distinguishing the REAL MGHOW, from a man more prone to the affections of a woman, is when he turns 35, 36 …. When his SMV is ravenous and she is chomping at the bit to get at him. Will he take the bait? THAT IS WHAT A MGHOW IS, a man who has internalized the truth so well, that he has effectively immunized himself against the Clam Scam.
The time for trial is coming for many of us guys here. But our lingering around you older guys has done much good!We will survive!

Gravel Pit, er
I mean Grovel Pallette,

I can’t find your intro. Can you point me to it…..

[Gravel PitParticipant]

Good question Autolite, great answer Narwhal.

Particularly the evolutionary conditioning in our genes themselves which encourage favoring women over men. Couple that with the smothering lust for sex.

The Blue Pill is SO strong.

It makes you wonder, how are there as many MGTOW as there are! … with these biological precedents that should have us at our knees to women. And there lies the rub.

Modernity: the gradual subtraction of social systems of dependence amongst males and females. At first, it was as innocent as the invention of a washing machine which freed up a few hours a week for women. 150 specific inventions later, women have the entire week to themselves with zero accountability or responsibility socially or legally.

What does Modernity specifically do to the process of male/female courtship? It flat out compromised and outsourced the need for a male in a woman’s life. Some argue that the Men Going Their Own Way have been SENT their own way. But this is only partially true. Because of Sexual Marketplace Value, men become more valuable in their mid to late 30s, and even more so in their 40s and further. Sure, you can argue that men in their twenties are largely “incels” sent their own way, but in 10 years, women will be trying to flush them out of their shells and lock them down in marriage. That is not being sent away, that is being hunted!

So Men are the Prize as Barbarossa said. You were always the prize. The time for distinguishing the REAL MGHOW, from a man more prone to the affections of a woman, is when he turns 35, 36 …. When his SMV is ravenous and she is chomping at the bit to get at him. Will he take the bait? THAT IS WHAT A MGHOW IS, a man who has internalized the truth so well, that he has effectively immunized himself against the Clam Scam.

The time for trial is coming for many of us guys here. But our lingering around you older guys has done much good!
We will survive!

[Gravel PitParticipant]

Vajra Varaha wrote:

Excellent summary!!!!

Thanks. Its been heartbreaking to see MGTOW, a thing that truly spared me a sh!tload of torment and suffering, get twisted and mocked year after year so that it no longer resembles itself to the people who need it. And this site being virtually useless from its prior glory…

But whatever, I TRY to correct confusion where I can. I retain my own sovereignty and peace.
EACH MAN MUST DIG DEEPER INTO MGTOW TO FIND THE PAYDIRT.

EVEN ME, when I first discovered mgtow, it was when Sandman made videos that showed images of graffiti in 2013. The very first videos he ever made. I was introduced to MGTOW by him but his ‘Daily Red Pills’ soon became placebos. I needed something palpable if I was to give up the goose chase that is women. That palpable foundation for going my own way came when I discovered the Stardusk Compilation. I was catapulted into freedom and understanding.

If dickheads are too stupid or neurotic to sift through the bullsh!t “mgtow” channels and unearth the Stardusk and Barbarossa paydirt at the core, then fvck them! Let them keep the THOTS occupied so that I am all the more free from the HIVE clam scam. LOL

[Vajra VarahaParticipant]

Gravel Pit wrote:

Who is qualified to make a MGTOW Movie?! Hammerhead never even heard of mgtow until last year! I was following Stardusk and Barbarossa in 2013!!!!!
Seen it so many times, CHUMP ASS NEWBS find out about mgtow, “they think they know what it is” and run away in deviant tangents dragging it through the mud.
They never bothered with Stardusk or Barbar or with understanding the philosophical bedrock before they start produ$ing their own sh!tshow videos trying get attention/validation, ad revenue and grandeur…
The Stardusk Compilation was made for a reason.
Terms like hypergamy, sexual dimorphism, neotany, evo psych, war bride syndrome, penis envy, male mother need, maladaptive breeding and 200 others… are not just cute psychological sounding filler words… they matter.
MGTOW has nothing to do with whatever the fvck Blackastan is. That is an outside matter that needs to be kept OUTSIDE, or it diverts us from our actual core.

AMEN!!!!! AND HELL YEAH!!

[Gravel PitParticipant]

Who is qualified to make a MGTOW Movie?! Hammerhead never even heard of mgtow until last year! I was following Stardusk and Barbarossa in 2013!!!!!

Seen it so many times, CHUMP ASS NEWBS find out about mgtow, “they think they know what it is” and run away in deviant tangents dragging it through the mud.

They never bothered with Stardusk or Barbar or with understanding the philosophical bedrock before they start produ$ing their own sh!tshow videos trying get attention/validation, ad revenue and grandeur…

The Stardusk Compilation was made for a reason.

Terms like hypergamy, sexual dimorphism, neotany, evo psych, war bride syndrome, penis envy, male mother need, maladaptive breeding and 200 others… are not just cute psychological sounding filler words… they matter.

MGTOW has nothing to do with whatever the fvck Blackastan is. That is an outside matter that needs to be kept OUTSIDE, or it diverts us from our actual core.

[WallyParticipant]

Great post, glad you found Sandman before goinng down that road again. I have several friends who got married three times, if only they had a sandman or Barbarossa after their first marriage it could have saved them so much hardship.

Occasionally, I hear some dude say ” happy wife, happy life.” But then I remember reading an article that research found out women are only happy when their husbands are stressed and unhappy. So every time I hear a dude say that it makes me sigh, but not for the reasons he thinks. When I used to go to church the men would call their wives the “boss.” Their sons and daughter see this but then the scripture says the man should be the head- no wonder marriages are so screwed up.

"what a waste of a life, to marry, give up your freedom, just for the hope of not dying alone. Don't get married Son."

[Gravel PitParticipant]

Whats going to bust open is millions of TFL FA and Incel types, complimented by millions of the most bitter, tatted, blue haired Harpies youve ever seen. Millenials Hitting the Wall.

You guys in your 40s dont get it, MGTOW is already DONE! What? This site is supposed help! Its a fvcking sh!tshow going on over a Year! GYOW.com is also a fvcking sh!tshow. Peak MGTOW was in 2014!!!! It got watered down by frat boys in 2015, sold out in 2016, and went Dead on Arrival some time after. We’re relics. This fvcking website is a joke!

WHERE THE FVCK IS KM!? No wonder the old guard abandoned this site.

MGTOW was useful when people stood for the golden content and when this site was strong.

MGTOW is not a website? Could have fooled me pal! Thats disigenuous my friend. This site was a major Rallying point. We always stood apart but it takes several trees to make an orchard. Remember the F16 animations? It used to be so cool here.

MGTOW was Spetsnaz, Messenger Rising, Colttaine, Barbarossa… ALL GONE. Now you have huMAN who straight up says he dropped the acroynom. All mgtow is now, is a memory and some Sandman videos lol. Stardusk changed his name to thinking ape and stopped talking about mgtow for a whole year. Now he interviews homosexuals.

Hypergamy and Sexual dimorphism as instructional philosophy in the SD compilation was long been IGNORED and retired. Replaced by self flagellation and sulking about womens rejection.

And while the train wreck unfolds worse than ever in society, MGTOW is incapable of helping men. Instead, the whining bitches who called themselves FA have stolen the show, mocking mgtow and reproducing elementary redpills that were notes in the margin 5 years ago. ITS OVER.

Watch what happens the next two years! You wont see men adopting this lifesaving philosophy. Instead you will see chaos, Male suicide, and psychotic violent women. The worst has yet to come.

Fixing this website could change it all! It could save this acronym called MGTOW. Either make use of the domain “mgtow.com” or give it up to someone who will. Sick of the “mystery” and waiting, while REAL men go without valuable insight and brotherhood available here.

Theres no point to be here. Tower and Garg were right. I should have known because Tower was a giant since the first month this site was here. I always thought it was crazy he left. Sorry to vent but this is bullshvt. Fix this site or delete it, or come clean with folks about why its all dicked up.

[Gravel PitParticipant]

InTheCountry wrote:

“How many pursuits should be enacted before we make a generalized call on the state of affairs with the character of women? 30, 50, 100, 1000?” ….. The response from the collective and culture is this, “Infinity. You must date to infinity and never lose hope.

Straight up truth. As Stardusk said, “It is YOUR fault, you (being the man) keep choosing the wrong woman… Never, I repeat never, is their an explanation for how women act.” (something like that, straight out of Stardusk Compilation, pure Gold).

As Barbarossa said, (after awhile of dating women) “Its like there is a factory somewhere, cranking out copies of these women, theyre all the same version.” (paraphrased Barbar and Stardusk).

InTheCountry wrote:

there are many layers to the maturity that occurs with red pill knowledge.

I concur. I went through MANY phases of wrapping my head around this. The reason its layered is because this isnt only Knowledge we’re absorbing. Its knowledge that has a profound impact on your emotions. It isnt Internalized on the first go-around. Its also not limited to online reading and online content absorption, this crap is apparent in your REAL life. It hits home and shakes you to the core over and over again until you truly understand.

I agree to everything you said and the general theme which is that INSANITY is repeating the same behavior (getting burned in relationsh!ts over and over) and expecting a different result. Only a complete ignoramus would continue banging his head on a wall trying to relieve a headache.

[Gravel PitParticipant]

(saving that whole thread here because Youtube or that channel owner will probably Ex Out that channel someday.)

This was the OP I made.

Gravel Pit
1 week ago
why would call yourself a TFL willingly? Ive been MGTOW monk, for 6 years. Literally been watching content for 6 years. Whats wrong with plain old MGTOW

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d sar
d sar
1 week ago
MGTOW put incels down and it is a badly thought out ideology. MGTOW are just normal males who complain about divorce they don’t know the pain and rejection of being TFL and even worse incel. Also most of them are just divorced guys, its a dumb movement overall even though they are correct about divorce.

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Gravel Pit
Gravel Pit
1 week ago
@d sar Idk how long yall have been around but Incel and TFL are BOTH originated from mgtow.
For starters, Incels dont exist, that term was made up by a woman. All it is, is a shaming term on men to deflect the fact that all modern women are aholes who only get sex off Chading Apps.

Why the f~~~ are you Self Identifying as a Derogatory Shaming Label?! How f~~~ing ignorant is that? TFL is also a malingering label. I mean, its likw you WANT to be called a Loser or something. Lioe youre celebrating and mocking yourself. WTF. and you think this is positive growth or some s~~~.

Did either one of you ever listen to the Stardusk Compilation? all six hours? Did you listen to Barbar content or Spetsnaz or Messenger Rising??????????

You dont know what the hell is going on and adopted erroneous labels.

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John Milius
John Milius
1 week ago
@Gravel Pit TFL and Incel did not originate from MGTOW. The term ‘Incel’ was invented by a woman called Alana around 1997 and adopted by men around 2000. At that same time, MGTOW started out as a group of men able to get women but refusing to marry them, while Incels are just men who want a woman but can’t get one no matter what they do. Bill Greathouse came up with the term TFL in 2008. Now individual Incels and TFL’ers might agree with MGTOW, but they’re not the same. Incels suffer isolation regardless, and are unashamed to express their discontent. Let the world acknowledge that rampant feminism is ruining men’s lives right now, and that has to change.

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Gravel Pit
Gravel Pit
1 week ago
@john Milius it wasnt adopted by “MEN” , it was adopted by Blue Pill pussies.

All men are able to get women. How is this possible? Because there are as many fugly retarded women as there are men. Go ask out an ugly bitch at the supermarket.. The truth is YOU DONT WANT TO. So that mens YOU ARE going your own way, in a way…

YOu do not need to explain anything to me pal. I have been taking in this sort of content in the Manosphere, starting my 7th year. I know it all. Im not buying this f~~~ng self-identifying shaming label bulls~~~.

All of them need to understand Sexual Dimorphism and watch Colttaine, Spetnaz Stardusk, Barbar and Messenger Rising…. the SEED CONTENT.

All this claiming to be victims crap is gay. We’re not the ones who are defecting. WOMEN are the ones who violated the social contract. You are not the only ones not getting sex. 80/20 rule pal. 80% of men are NOT incels…

Incel is the male version of NAWALT. They are so RARE, you may as well not mention them…. thats how few REAL incels there are… .0001% of the pop. …

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Blue Storm
Blue Storm
1 week ago (edited)
I prefer “FA” to “TFL” but either way, I am what I am. The worst thing I can do is lie to myself.
MGTOW is like the story of the fox and the grapes. The fox sees some grapes hanging high up on a vine. The fox tries to jump up high enough to get them but can’t. He tries over and over again but can’t get the grapes. So out of butthurt, he walks away and says, ” I don’t want those grapes. They’re probably sour anyway.”
Fox = MGTOW
Grapes = woman

Basically, just act like you don’t want what you can’t have.

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John Milius
John Milius
1 week ago
​@Gravel Pit You asked, I answered. You’re welcome. It’s not just a matter of understanding. Truth is not all men WANT to be MGTOW, no matter how loud you yell your message. Even knowing their nature, plenty are more than happy to cuck for any woman in exchange for pussy. .0001% of the pop you say? According to this recent article in The Washington Post, 28% of young adult men in the US had no sex in 2018. That’s millions of men. Millions of Incels…mostly in denial.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/03/29/share-americans-not-having-sex-has-reached-record-high/?utm_term=.91efe436ac4c

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Gravel Pit
Gravel Pit
1 week ago
@blue Storm I love the analogy and I will point out where you are missing the entire point of your own metaphor.

Who place the Grapes 10 feet up where the Fox can’t get them? Women. That is their perceived SMV.

But is the average woman’s SMV really that unapproachable by the average Joe? Or is she deluded by modernity into thinking she is some prize worth 3x the cost of admission???

This is the trouble with these Self Resignation BS you’re selling to Men, you all refuse to dig deeper and understand Sexual Dimorphism, Evo Psych, and many things that MGTOW men bothered to unearth seven years ago.

All you did was watch some Sandscam videos and looked up the acronym and blew it off… instead of listening to Stardusk and Barbar.

So all of you can go feel bad and keep believing that women are some unreachable grapevine… that is a big lie you sold yourself, so you could self flagellate and retire to morose.

The rest of us MGTOW (who yes indeed, we dont have sex either! We’re not a bunch of Chads or Alphas pal) We realized thru the few experiences we had with women, we saw a common theme, they are intolerable, unloving, ungrateful and dangerous. That is what theyve become APART FROM BEING UNRESPONSIVE.

I choose a Proactive exile from women filled with Self Actualization, Liberty and Independence. I have found a healthy spirituality in going my own way. I do not wallow in the abyss of self-shaming labels like Forever Alone and the other two that are worse…. NO!

You are not alone when you know other men and when you make friends with yourself! STAND TALL!!!

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Deacon Frost
Deacon Frost
1 week ago
Aaa Bbb wait Stardusk has a girlfriend?? When did this happen? Its common knowledge BarBar does but never knew the ape did? Is she old/young?

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Deacon Frost
Deacon Frost
1 week ago
Gravel Pit I see what you mean, tfl/ incel doesn’t acknowledge the type of woman one wants. There are plenty of neglected 70-80-90 year old woman in nursing homes, they are still women but I’m sure most dudes don’t want that.

A lot of mgtow acknowledge they were invisible to young “Stacey’s” & don’t want to go with women over 30-35 or 40 with multiple kids from multiple father’s and shell never look at the guy the same way as she did the football captain who took her virginity at 14.

Many women by 25 have been with 25-30 dudes. And they could call back at anytime to take her back and you’ll have a fight on your hands and for what?

If you can’t get women that you’re attracted to, then what’s the point?

So I see both sides, mgtow are probably invisible to prime women. TFLers are invisible to the type of woman they want. Not necessarily ALL women.

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Phantom
Phantom
1 week ago
@Gravel Pit Interesting. That´s a healthy and wise way of seeing things.

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Gravel Pit
Gravel Pit
1 week ago
@deacon Frost good post. Thats the whole point bro. You GET it! You just painted an accuracte picture of women today. Vagina is not some unreachable fruit with a high price tag (unless you count the annoyance part of dealing with these idiot women than yes, they cost alot lol). But you get what Im after.

Incel by definition makes no sense. No one on this Earth is “involutary celibate” and if even one is, then we all are. The bunkass term is vacuous of content, unbacked by logic (a woman invented it).

TFL is code for (no women are good enough for my high standards). WHICH IS FINE! Why not just say that? Why do these guys have to be so melodramatic about it and invent dumbass, loser sounding labels like TFL. Hi my name’s Jim, I’m a True Forced Lonliness person. It sounds f~~~ing dumb.

MGTOW was an umbrella that covered ALL these men: the loner types, the shy guys, the mentally neurotic reclusive dudes, the divorced guy, the Gen Xer, Millenial and Boomers … all under one unified Banner which was also un-unified. We go OUR OWN WAY. That is how it started.

Anyway, these idiots deviated from the True MGTOW seed content. Apparently they watched some gay ass sandman videos and a few from TFM and decided MGTOW was too butch, they needed something more autistic.

I hate to badger these guys but I cant stand self-victimhood. There is nothing wrong with these men. They are normal men even though they dont think so. The problem is WOMEN are all unapproachable little skanks with too much legal power. They used to HAVE to depend on men. It was Nature’s Way.

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Gravel Pit
Gravel Pit
1 week ago
@john Milius ….28% of young adult men in the US had no sex in 2018. That’s millions of men. Millions of Incels…mostly in denial.
60 million men are non-astrologers too.
60 million men are also non-dungeons and dragons players.
60 million men are of non-martian origin.
Do you see how much sense it makes to label something a non-something, sort of like the term *In*voluntarily Celibate. ITS A BUNK TERM YOU FOOL.
Incel is a term reserved for someone with cerebral palzi with half their face burned off and even then, some horny nurse might give him a handy. The term describes nothing. All the term does is highlite how all women are c~~~-goblins.
The rest of us have nothing wrong with us. I have not had sex in 6 years. There is nothing wrong with me, but there IS something wrong with these Harlot Modern Women with mePhones on okCupid. Do not dare call me an incel. That term is reserved for sourpuss blue pill self-defeatists who want to resign to loserdom.
Im not a loser, Im a strong confident man with charisma and average looks.
WOMEN ARE THE INCELS, not me. THEY ARE THE PROBLEM. not me…
My lack of sexual partners has made me a GOD. They are all hot garbage.
Why dont you brand INCEL into your forehead and wear it like a scarlet letter….
God damn SPERGS

Deacon Frost
Deacon Frost
1 week ago
Gravel Pit thx bro & I agree. The dating scene sux but it is what it is. I think TFLers do put out & come up with good content but there does come a point where you say “to hell with it” as tough as that maybe.

Feminism is male genocide on a mass scale. Women have always been butthurt over their “expiry dates” & the male attraction. Make up/ anti aging makes these women look much younger & more attractive than what they really are, its deception. Therefore that’s going to affect the dating/ mating game I.e who they go for & who goes for them. They have now transcended their own disposability (I.e their fertility).

Gender quota’s, affirmative action programs etc, its a “take over” on a mass scale, I’ve never seen so many young women dressed in overalls/ construction clothing as I have in the last 5 year’s!

They’re taking all the median type positions & marginalizing men as much as possible. Their infantalizing 20 something year old woman & constantly trying push the male sexuality higher & higher to there for prevent their own disposability.

I’m sure going with a woman under 30 will be considered “pedophelia” one of these days. Even Christy0misty said that women have “told men who they can be attracted to”, I’m not saying we get better looking as we age but we do age slower & our ” expiry” dates are our deathbeds (in terms of reproducing).

Male utility counts for nothing (as you said), so women can be as reckless as they want & whose to stop them? Some idiot said I was putting on a “strongman narrative” a while back for not wanting a 40 yo woman LMAO!!

The game runs so deep, most guys don’t understand how deep it goes (one just needs to go back a couple of hundred years to see how it was). So if you can’t get what you want, like a job you hate… Walk away.

As spetsnaz once said, “the game is rigged”.

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Deacon Frost
Deacon Frost
1 week ago
Aaa Bbb you’re retarded & don’t understand biology. You’re coping, I’m living.

The wall is tired. Women don’t have a wall for thirsty dudes chasing them but do have a biological wall. Lmao go to a nursing home & end your TFL streak!

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John Milius
John Milius
1 week ago
@Gravel Pit Sounds like you’re an Incel in denial, ‘GOD’…

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Gravel Pit
Gravel Pit
1 week ago
@john Milius Getting vagina is no problem. You can’t really call yourself an incel, TFL or FA, if the reason you aren’t getting laid, is because you find 90% of women undeserving of your time and affection. And the other 10% are either taken or humbly out of my league. But to call me an ‘incel in denial’ is asinine. I do not find a woman sexually appealing, who has had a new penis in her every weekend since she turned 18…. and that is just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the disgusting reality of modern women aged 25-40 …

their habits, their materialism, their vocalfry, their student loan debt, their token dog that they barely take care of, their obesity and addiction to anti-depressants, and their s~~~ty attitude and delusions of being superior to everyone. <— dont lie to me and tell me that women arent all like that.

Could I win the affection of a few 6’s or 7’s? Yes, Iam a normal man just like most of you too. But after a few years of dealing with these c~~~s, you realize they are not worth the fucing effort OR THE RISK! Its better to ignore them and GO YOUR OWN WAY!

Deacon Frost
Deacon Frost
1 week ago
Gravel Pit did you see my comment about the feminist “take over?” It would be interesting to hear your perspectives on this…

The only issues I have with mgtow is:

– a lot of them are hoping that a decline in marriages will make women reconsider their behaviours. (I really don’t see this happening short of a societal collapse which is highly unlikely. Besides is there a way to quantify if marriages are going down?)

– I think if more mgtow publicly admitted that they were turned over/ down in youth etc & now are resentful about having a fat sea hag to hook up with (who had her turn multiple times) this would at least trigger a response from the feminists (women), but due to male ego… We can’t admit defeat, the dance will continue…

– mgtow seems to be a black/ white thing, I haven’t seen too many asain/ Indian. Middle eastern mgtows.

– the racial prejudice that exists within mgtow

– the fact that most mgtows (as are TFL/ incel groups) are anonymous avatars, there seems to be no outside community apart from online.

– some men & women, have accused mgtows of trying to “thin the herds” I.e send dudes “there own way” & to capitalize on this. (Let’s be real, dudes have ZERO loyalty/ love for one another… Its sad)

Other than that, I agree that at least mgtow has a modicum of self respect rather than flat out calling yourself a “loser who can’t get laid/ relationships”. However, I do believe my aforementioned points are worth consideration.

I don’t think this dating fiasco will change in our lifetimes. Women have got NO incentive to change, they don’t care if a guy suicides due to loneliness.

Our utility is worthless & being successful with women seems to boil down to:

-looks, being neurotypical & somehow being in a wide social clique, being a social butterfly etc

Which a good many of us are not those things!

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Deacon Frost
Deacon Frost
1 week ago
Gravel Pit I also think “Chad” needs redefining Lol. If for example I’ve slept with 100+ females… What kind? Supermodels or Super grannies? 😊

Gravel Pit
Gravel Pit
1 week ago
@deacon Frost The 1st issue you mention about women’s behavior getting better… that is an MRA aspiration. MGTOW gave up. You cant make a mom/wife out of today’s 30 year old woman. Statistically speaking, she’s GUARANTEED 100% to divorce you and you will be paying child support. The reason is, shes slept with too many men prior and cant be faithful. MRA Tradcucks (Traditional Conservatives and Mens Rights Activists) are the dudes that are hoping for a change in womens behavior, MGTOW left the building, we simple dont care.

2nd, The acronym MGTOW was born of disagreement. Men disagree constantly. We agree to disagree. Ironically, that is precisely how the modern usage became what it is today — some divorced guys arguing with eath other on a forum about 20 years ago! The only thing MGTOW ever agreed on is that getting married is a bad choice. Cohabitation is also cautioned heavily. There is no oath of celibacy or vow to never date.

3rd There are plenty of Indian Mgtow. I know a few on mgtow.com. MGTOW is global. We have Russians, Brazilians, Mexicans, Italian, German, Americans etc…

4th There are are racists in every circle. MGTOW is colorblind though, because we agree that a woman will f~~~ you over just the same and your still just a tool in the misandric world we live un no matter what color man you are. I know many black mgtow, they are fine, we are friends. Im white. There are some conspiracists and a few antisemites but they are all over the internet. MGTOW is not the Alt Right though, and people who trail off into diatribes like that get corrected.

Finally, youre right, the fiasco will not end. A male sexual revolution must occur like what happened in the 70s/80s for women. Currently, one gender has been ushered out of their biological role via legilastion and modern technology while the other gender just ignorant drudges on as if everything is the same. The birthrate is the lowest its been since 1986! We’re below replenishment.

I do not believe women have a malicious motive really. What were witnessing is biology and technology clashing. You see, there was never any abortion clinics or child support on the paleolithic Savannah. There wasnt any feminist-hive-mind (social media) or birth control pills. If you remove animals from their environment or intervene with cheats and tricks… the animals become unhealthy and stop mating. They die.

There is a natural law with human mating. Its been denied and ignored too long. Sexual dimorphism is a fact we cant afford to deny much longer. Evo psych traits and female preferential treatment works great in an ice age so we can survive but its pretty much cancer in the 21st century.

Anyway, they spoiled three generations. You wont get any more babies from that batch. Our only hope is that girls aged 15-20 DONT DO what the last 3 generations of women did.

The mexican women WILL fall into the same trap white women did once they gain access to 1st world medicine, I promise. The failed birthrates are seen world wide in 1st world industrial nations. Its academic now. You give women rights BAM, birthrate tanks.

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Deacon Frost
Deacon Frost
1 week ago
Gravel Pit thank you for your quite detailed response & I concur. The only thing I disagree on is about women not being malicious part. We’re animals essentially & would reproduce from puberty onwards (even Jesus Christ agrees with that). Women historically speaking know that their deposibility lies in their fertility (their biological attraction to men). They are trying to re-engineer the male sexuality higher & higher. The reptilian brain does not recognise whether she is 17, 20, 15, 22 etc, it only recognizes signs of fertility/ childbearing qualities etc.

Don’t you find it odd that all throughout history, females gave birth in their teens, now they’re trying to push it back to late 30s & 40s.

Through fake up, they can decieve a man into thinking she is younger that what she really is. Where as men look natural (for the most part) regardless of age. Did God intend for them to decieve the male gaze & to shame us as well as use propaganda tactics to “scare us into line”.

TRUST ME. Ive spoken to rad FEMS before about this & I have seen/ read them talk about this ad nauseum. To date if you bring up female ” expiry dates”, women especially older ones go beserk! The answer is so obvious I can’t believe the manosphere hasn’t talked about this more…

Now onto the one gender being forced out… Yes, that’s us. Some mgtow don’t care, but the majority, especially younger dudes do & that’s the problem. Women don’t need men for money or to get married… She has the state/ welfare & governments keep flooding the west with more immigrants to keep the feminist dream alive.

I agree living life “your way” & doing what makes you happy… But this is part of the feminist manifesto, they WANT us to die off!! So it feels as though we got to cope till we die,meanwhile working & paying taxes to the very system that gives whammenz their power.

Its crazy!!! Even Barbarossa is technically purple pill, maybe his GF will pressure marriage/ cohabitation, Barbarossa knows he’s not high tier so he will bend to keep her happy because he knows if he doesn’t, another chance may not come along… Assuming his GF is of reproductive age & not wall or post wall which no one knows!!

So many variables at play here & yes technology does impact but as I said above, female deviance knows no bounds. And it feels like we’re cattle being sent to the SLAUGHTERHOUSE & women & white knights will enjoy eating us (metaphorically speaking of course).

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Deacon Frost
Deacon Frost
7 hours ago
Gravel Pit BTW, you should make video’s, you have a good understanding…
Even the founder of TFL Bill Great house is 58 married to a 34 yo, could it… Could it be because of her LOOKS?! Lol

I don’t hear of ANY TFLers crying that they can’t get an old granny. Now mgtow is being referred to as MSTOW (men sent TOW). Lol who doesn’t get “sent their own way” I.e rejected from a young hottie’s at least once?

When women occasionally scream “where are all the good men gone” (we know what they really mean), when TFLers scream “we can’t get a woman”, probably 90% of them mean a hottie’s aged 18-25.

At least mgtows acknowledge ” yeah we punked out with young starlets but ain’t gonna support/ impregnate some ex party bitch who wouldn’t give us the time of day when she was 20″.

Make video’s bro calling this crap out!

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Gravel Pit
Gravel Pit
1 hour ago
@deacon Frost I hear you dude. What do you mean by “punked out,” do you mean missed out?

The issue I take with TFL, FA, Incel is the over the top self-flagellation type melodrama. Dude, its basically renamed Emo-Goth type weird crap.

ALL MEN FACE ANXIETY and uncertainty in approaching the opposite sex. This is what REALLY P~~~ES ME OFF about these morons.

The biology of it is very simple. Females SMV is frontloaded. Male SMV is back loaded. This means women get the benefit of huge worth early on but it fads and she hits the bio-wall at 35 like a hurricane — shes DONE. But MEN at 35 are like a newly minted coin or a appreciating bottle of wine, out SMV is ascending through age 50.

This is not some exclusive phenomenon that a minority of “lonely” men have trouble with facing. This is the scientific truth of sexual dimoprhism and primate mating. These men are not special! They are NEUROTIC and MISINFORMED and resigning to settle for this woe-is-me type BS narrative.

I can’t help them. In 2015, MGTOW was stormed by a bunch of college aged pusy beggars who REFUSED monk-hood which was for all intent and purpose, standard practice for MGTOW. They watered down the acronym and warped the definition. Now they are screwing it up again by further demonstrating their TOTAL IGNORANCE of sexual dimorphism by claiming Men are “sent” their own way… That is not true really. Its just that these romantic-pining, bleeding heart little boners refuse to DIG DEEP into old MGTOW content and discover the reality of whats going on.

If they did have a relationship, even a breif one with todays women (aged 18-40) they’d figure out real quick that it was better to just be alone.

The reality is that Women have been totally removed from their natural function. For millions of years, their sole purpose was to be Robin to Batman, Holmes to Sherlock… to stand behind men (supporting men) and nurture and produce offspring because that is their incredible skill they were evolved to do perfectly over millions of years. Indeed, they were BRED to perfection at this.

But now, with iphones, SUVs, gynocracy, abortion, The Pill, Dating Apps, anti-depressants, social media and female privilege — she is something resembling the people in the movie Idiocracy. She has ZERO function or utility for the species. This is reflected in the Birthrate that has been sailing off a cliff for 35 years. Basically, its like taking a Lion off the Savannah: caging it up, feeding it cans of Tuna, injecting it will heroin and expecting it to be as healthy as a Lion still on the Savannah.

T-rex was meant to HUNT, you can’t box it up and feed it goats. It gets sick and dies. Women are sick.

[Gravel PitParticipant]

Just posting some stuff from a long thread on an Incel Channel. Im probably being shadow banned by Monday FA and some of the others but oh well…. they are selling lies to men IMHO. Fvck them. This sulking and self-resignation Incel bullshvt is something I will continue to speak out against.

Gravel Pit yep, that’s exactly what I mean… (They either missed out or got little with women they desire vs low tier women that they could get)

In this wild west free market, a young woman of peak fertility has choice en mass in terms of suitors. If she is a “Stacey” instagram model type… She’s going to have a line a mile long… As discussed before… Getting a woman is not hard if you have zero standards I.e old, homeless, junky etc etc… Since these young attractive women can dictate who they want, it filters upwards to the point where you have 20yo dudes chasing 50 yo women for sex.

Yes, I agree the mgtow content has become severely watered down since about 2015 or so… & aside from dudes embracing the original content & philosophy, it will descend more & more into darkness. The greatest most liberating part of mgtow was for me was finally getting off the hamster wheel of trying to seek validation when the odds are mathematically stacked against you & carving out an alternative path to live life even if its not the original & intended path one wanted. But its a hard one to walk & somehow I don’t think people like Barbarossa will return now he’s in a LTR.

I agree that feminism, capitalism, technological advances, smart phones, dating aps etc have messed things right up & the male utility is almost worthless aside from maintaining this rigged system & then being told to lay down & rot when you’re old.

Women as i mentioned previously have been challenging their expiry dates since the beginning of time & now we have what we have today… 50yo old women who can sexually outdo a 30 yo man due to the fact she is a “gatekeeper”.

The only thing that I don’t agree with is that a mans SMV goes up with age. It would be cool if it did because then most men would be able to get their pretty little bride at some point. But aesthetics vs utility are two different things, otherwise 20yo women pairing up with 50yo (or so) men would be the norm. But older feminists aren’t going to ever let that happen because if they did, history would repeat, women over 35 would be rendered obsolete.

As I mentioned previously, the feminist manifesto is in full swing, through gender quotas, government affirmative action to get more women into work, men are being rendered obsolete at increasing rates, hence why immigration is rampant.

It saddens & sickens me that male mental health & suicides are probably going to skyrocket in the coming decades & there really isn’t a thing we can do because white knight SIMPs vastly outnumber the manosphere whether MRA, mgtow, tfl, incel, fa etc. We have no own group preference & are divided socially, politically, racially, religiously, demographically & do so on…

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Gravel Pit
Gravel Pit
1 second ago
@deacon Frost Well said! Dude, that was right on. We have No Own Group Preference. Man, you and I see that exact same thing brother! We found the the gospel and go saved so to speak. Once you internalize the things we learned from Barbar’s playlists, Stardusk Compilation, Spetsnaz, Colttaine, TFM, Sandman etc… You cant unlearn this stuff. I found that content in 2013. Honestly, I was about to write it off as stupid and continue chasing women (banging my head against a wall as if to relieve a headache). But the reason I stayed is because of Stardusk’s work. You cant argue with the biological imperatives that define women’s behavior.

They are hardwired to betray you. All the State does is clears the trees and paves a road so a woman can use her natural traits to drive a f~~~ing bus over you. They work in tandem but the MRAs are the ones who think we can just change what the state is doing and it will be fixed. Wrong, women will still continue with their tricks. Why? Because they’re evolved to do it. It keeps the species alive. Its a proven recipe to survive bottle-necking extinction events.

I do not anticipate Postman (movie) type Apocalypse crap to transpire when the market and fake economy goes bust from welfare and gynocentric BS. What I do anticipate is that when the New Depression hits, women will be desperate for Blue Pill Save-a-hoe types. The tables will flipflop bro. Male suicide will go down. But only SMART men like us will know and remember the past. We will stay single and self-sufficient as all the women drown along with the simps trying to save them… Let them all stand in soup lines.

Men’s SMV appreciates up to a point (I get what you mean). A 50 year old can certainly Chad a lot of young c~~~s but getting them to marry him and produce offspring is a different story.

TFL, Incel and FA dont understand that MGTOW (version 2013) was a diverse group of men. Yes, some were 40 year old divorced men who had had the benefit of years of marriage, intercourse and children. They got the decades of sex we didnt. *But MGTOW was ALSO full of 22 year old VIRGINS who became mgtow after noticing that their peer-group Women were all getting filled-up by 38 year old Chads on okCupid instead of pursuing LTRs with the men their age. The future that our Dad’s had (met your mom outside a Roller Derby sipping beers in 1976) was suddenly extinct, replaced with, trying to compete for a girl’s attention when she is offered free gifts and wild sex, out on the town in an Audi w/ a 40 year old man. It was like taking candy from a baby. These men are literally molesting girls, tempting them with material crap and lavish living, all for the price of their Youth (and future motherhood.) You get disheartened and redpilled from women’s s~~~ty behavior whether you’re a 40 year old or a 22 year old. You observe, understand and Go Your Own Way.

Choosing to call it “being sent” your own way is a chin-down sulking. The truth is, we call it Going Your Own Way, because we’re Set Free, unlike every man in every generation before us. We have no ties. Women reneged on the relationship contract. They reneged HARD. We see that and we left an empty chair for them. MAN OUT.

Incel TFL and FA are like guys that expect a reward, after receiving a Gift!!! Let them SULK and act like their lives suck. Little do they realize, they are the 1st liberated generation of men in centuries!

[Gravel PitParticipant]

Dark Kenshi wrote:

people going “beyond” MGTOW

Some men end up back with women. Like Barbarossa and Spetsnaz.
I would be with a woman too. But I refuse to chase or capitulate to their interests and authority. Im very much in my own world, always have been, and women dont care to come in. And I dont care to show them in anymore. So its a natural repellent.
Some men just dont get on well with women.

Some men go ‘beyond’ by simple fact that Going Your Own Way doesnt necessitate visiting the Manosphere online very much or at all. These guys are busy in their own world.

As far as the Sky is the Limit type talk, Im interested in continuing to observe. In observing humans, you see the most retarded crap and amazing stuff too. Like check out these Free Solo Climbers.

Not sure if you guys have been noticing this on Youtube or not. Getting real sick of this crap.

For me. MGTOW began in 2013 when I was 27. Thats when I found out about it on Youtube and found the Stardusk Compilation and the Barbarossa content. It made sense to me philosophically because of the evo-psych angle and because of real life observation of women Id been with. Women just did not have “love” the way we thought they did.

Granted, my experience with women is severely limited. The longest relationship Id ever been in (still true today) was 8 months. I’ve only lived with a woman for 3 months in my whole life. Still. When that relationship went down in flames, I took note of how I felt. I analyzed it.

Finding the Stardusk Compilation was instrumental in moving past the grief Id carried around for about a year at that time. I was totally on board with MGTOW from the get-go. Full on Monk-Mode! Ive been sexless the whole time. I probably wouldnt pass up some sex if it was offered but you know what I mean… I went my own way because I was done fooling around, being rejected, chasing idiot women who dont care and only treat me like crap… To this day. Ive only slept with about 12 women in my whole life. 9 were one night stands! All of them occurred before the age of 27. I havent had any sex for 6 years since then. Its mostly a chemical craving, because when you actually get it… well, its not all its chalked up to be, sort of like how you think she’s in love, but actually YOU are the only one in “love.”

Then what happened to MGTOW? The 2015 Division. Remember the whole Sandman Stardusk fiasco? MGTOW Messenger changed names. Spetsnaz disappeared… and who showed up? A TON of watered-down half assed MGTOW channels that were only ever after advertising revenue. I could name 25 right off the top of my head, still active too. The worst thing about these channels is they don’t align themselves to the seed-content, and they blurred the line between PUA and MGTOW. One is obsessed with cheap sex, the other wants to be as far away from women as possible. How do you confuse the two!?

The proverbial Red-Pill is STILL confused with PUA Gaming Technique (dating strategy to get women in the sack). They excuse pussy begging. They signed off on chasing women as analogous with being MGTOW. It was the weakass College Boy version of MGTOW which lost all meaning because now, Going Your Own Way literally meant anything at all, including LTRs and cohabitation!!!

If that wasn’t bad enough! Now we have the epidemic of wimp channels, and thousands of their followers, happily calling themselves (TFL) True Forced Loneliness, (Incel) Involuntarily Celibate and (FA) Forever Alone. The worst being Incel ofcourse because its so derogatory and meant to shame. Aren’t all men ‘Incel’ until a woman spreads her legs? The term is totally vacuous and without content, saying more about women these days than men. Every time I hear a man self-identify as Incel I want to slap the sh!t out of him. I’m going to Costco (large supply store for household items) so I can BULK ORDER crates of Tampons for these Oh So Lonely Men. I feel awful for their plight. All three labels are bogus, malingering or plain neurotic. These guys must be feminist spy, sock-puppet accounts or men popping Lithium tablets.

The Irony is that FA, TFL and Incels think MGTOW are the ones that are in denial. They have no idea which label came first or what the hell they mean.

Apparently, it was TOO MUCH TO ASK. That we stick to the seed content and the original MGTOW talking points. These college brats and unsexed adult men, could not be bothered with learning about why women act the way they do based on millions of years of sexually dimorphic survival. That was just too hard to understand guys. After all, these are young men who NEED a mother replacement pronto. They need a cuddle and sex. And since 29 year old Stacy Jones isn’t putting out to us (Only Chads on Tender), well I guess I’ll just sing the blues and self-identify as INCEL and self-flagellate.

Its OUT OF CONTROL man. out of control… Only time will tell where this insanity leads another two years out. One thing is for sure. MGTOW has been completely drug through the mud, redefined, bad mouthed and finally abandoned. Like our once glorious website here, we’re a shadow of our forgotten glory. Its all just Tradcucks and Poor-Me, emo-type kids now. Oh well, we had a good run. I for one will always be MGHOW.

[WallyParticipant]

Excellent post, dating for the most part is like playing twister but with both hands tied behind your back. The whole idea harkens back to the Barbarossa saying ” the juice is not worth the squeeze.”

"what a waste of a life, to marry, give up your freedom, just for the hope of not dying alone. Don't get married Son."

[Gravel PitParticipant]

Don’t get caught in the semantic quicksand of MGTOW. It’s an acronym as we all know but some people use that acronym to defend behavior that is NOT MGTOWesque. For instance, you are NOT “going your own way” when the things you do are genuinely indistinguishable from what all Western men do already. Read that carefully. What the hell is the difference between a regular old college-boy pu55y beggar and a MGHOW?

Although MGTOW isn’t an Oath of Celibacy… is sure as sh1t aint PUA gaming and Philandering!

I always say, Yes, going your own way can resemble innumerable forms, but it DOES* have a BASE STANDARD. It DOES mean something at Minimum and dont ever feel ashamed to point that out to those who would Misuse the label to include or justify modes of living that are anything but the endeavors of a true MGHOW… (woman worship, sex addiction, groveling for female validation etc…).

Again, this doesnt mean you “can’t be in the club if you’re still married or having sex” (there is no club, there are no rules, but dont come into the Manosphere and take a big Blue PIll DUMP all over something Men care about.

The Q & A section on this site answers many questions. I like to rant down there from time to time.
/forums/topic/what-is-mgtow-answers-philosophy-and-the-why-basic-stardusk-barbarossa/#post-897834

[Gravel PitParticipant]

Veniversum wrote:

I’m not a tradcon. Firstly, I’m not Christian.

Yes you are a Traditional Conservative, Neo Conservative, MRA or however you want to describe it. AND THAT IS NOT BAD BRO. THere are others just like you here. That Tim Pattern guy who shows up every now and then is a HUGE MRA writer. MRAs are our allies. Its the PUAs we abhor.

Not being a ‘Crustian’ (as I like calling them) doesn’t have a damn thing to do with it. I’m more atheist than anyone yet Im a Conservative too! I voted for Mitt Romney lol. Doesnt prove s~~~ other than You’d rather see haphazard religious morality reign over psycho-leftist progressive egalitarian crap.

Veniversum wrote:

Our families are the fabric of society.

This is a MRA, Neo-Con view. You’re very much in that camp. You don’t bother yourself with listening to old Stardusk content do you? You think you know MGTOW but you never bothered with the Golden Era content that started it all. MGTOW is not Sandman or TFM s~~~… it started with BarBar and Stardusk. If you actually listen to some Barbarossa playlists, you might not even want to associate yourself with the name MGTOW at all.

YOU ARE STILL A NOVICE MGTOW. Stay on the journey, some red pill awakenings are yet to unfold for you.

You need to actually LISTEN to these videos. Put it on the speakers and clean your house, play video games, watch muted movies…whatever, just f~~~ing listen.

Here ya go, SEE VIDEO BELOW!

This video, Escape Velocity, exposes the myth that the ‘family’ is the building block of civilization.

[Gravel PitParticipant]

M.V. wrote:

told me the exact same story that I went through with Girl 1

Barbarossa phrased it sort of like, “I realized one day, all these women are the same cookie cut version, is there like a factory cranking them out somewhere?”

The only reason I ever stayed MGTOW after discovering it 5 years ago, was because Barbarossa playlists (still there today) and the Stardusk Compilation (also still on Youtube by Phil G the Knowbody).

Specifically the 4 part Powered by Orgasm, Barbarossa videos and his Traditonalism videos opened my eyes. The Stardusk Compilation saved my life because its red pill after red pill for 6 hours. You dont leave that without an impression.

Without those two men (Lets face it, Sandman wasn’t intellectually filling enough) I would have chased a woman down, got her prego and Id be paying child support or in an unhealthy relationship/marriage.

Im glad to say Im single, healthy (emotionally, physically and economically) with no kids and Im HAPPY. So what is the harm that MGTOW has done to my life??? It’s has ONLY been a positive force in my life.

[Gravel PitParticipant]

what does he expect? and what the f~~~ is this guy on about anyway?

This is what baffles me about the whole ‘phenomenon’ of mgtow.

People who show up and have never heard of these names but they are trying to be that name.

Barbarossa, Stardusk, Messenger Rising, TFM, Colttaine, huMAN, Spetsnaz, Sandman and others….

If mgtow was the Voyager 1, then the Stardusk Compilation was our Golden Record. ENOUGH SAID!

Sometimes its hard not to think the MGTOW meme is DEAD. Going your own way exists hardcore but without places like this website staying FRESH, newly interested people drift away and never got a good definition of what mgtow is.

If I stumbled onto MGTOW today for the first time. Would I even have tried to figure out what it is or why I should listen (or what content or source I should listen to?).

We’re so far away from the source now that MGTOW will not resemble itself. It used to just get watered down, now its truly gone. Half of those names at the top have erased their channels. You cant find much of Messenger’s really good s~~~ and Spetsnaz is history.

Its all EVOLVING and sooner or later, even “Going Your Own Way” won’t mean what it used to mean.

[iMickey503Participant]

Dark Kenshi wrote:

GP, I personally think that these men have outgrown MGTOW, as I think that the philosophy is meant to be.Hell, Dark Knight had mentioned this in one of his last (if not THE last) videos.
huMAN is on the path to be one of them, if he is not one already. Remember that stars are born, shine, shine a lot more, then go Supernova. Same with MGTOW stars.
Barbarossa was busy with his book, and then got busy with the Shedding of the Ego blog, so I reckon that he might be busy AF, or somehow he outgrew MGTOW.
Anyway, that is what I hope have happened. I hope they all went beyond MGTOW, and that is what I am aiming for too.

Its not that you get Burnt out. You just figure out that its the same s~~~ day after day. You stay in that place long enough, and don’t put much humor in it, you just get bored.

What else is new. Oh more bad stuff for men. Oh another man getting f~~~ed over. Oh LOOK! Another man getting cucked. It happens all day long.

We use to have guys on here religiously posting articles about this every day. Why did some of them stop? Because there is no new news. After a while, I’m pretty sure one day, its just going to be us few men simply enjoying our lives, and not caring one bit about what else is going on.

Making videos is kind of like a hobby. You get bored with it after a while. You have to do something else.

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