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[Frank V.Participant]

FreeGhost wrote:

Compare iq’s, please. Anyone list their iq?

Cult followers on this thread, incredibly disconcerting. In terms of the political realm you are all conformists to the far left or far right. I hope you all enjoy your demise. Mgotw in it’s earliest stages used to be a well intentioned movement, now it is littered with virgin cult losers and hate filled profanity. Too much of a cultist realm with this movement. Keymaster, you should be ashamed with your lack of acknowledgement in this realm.

Any Mgtows here read this – I just hope you think for yourself. Take into consideration otheres that have endured the trauma of dealing with women, yet think logically about what you are dealing with and how to deal with current scenarios with dealing with females. MGTOW offers brilliant perspectives sometimes yet is too cult-like at other times. Quite reminiscent of an echo chamber.

If it has an “echo chamber” feel, it might have been because you kept telling us about your wonderful grandfather and wonderful mommy and all the money you where given.

If your IQ was so high, and you where so damn smart, you would not be asking for help from people who you think of as “virgin cult losers”.

So go work on improving yourself. If your emotional state is this unstable, there is no shame in seeking professional help.

No one here can help you until you help yourself.

Frank V.

As much as I recognize the unjust divorce settlements and lack of backing in this area by the judiciary system, I have begun to realize that MGTOW has become a cult movement. Bandwagon fans need to understand what they are fighting for. Yes, us men are being screwed at many angles, yet all of the responses on this site can be heard amongst an echo chamber. THINK FOR YOURSELF, forgo the reiterations of other members on this site, free thought is the only key to happiness. Unfortunately, I had more faith in this movement.

edit – this site may provide a valid basis of judgement upon female intentions, yet do not let this be the entire contributing factor upon your judgement. Excellent points made on this site, for sure, yet cult movement mentality must be neglected against the only truth one can acquire via personal investigation.

[FreeGhostSpectator]

Cult followers on this thread, incredibly disconcerting. In terms of the political realm you are all conformists to the far left or far right. I hope you all enjoy your demise. Mgotw in it’s earliest stages used to be a well intentioned movement, now it is littered with virgin cult losers and hate filled profanity. Too much of a cultist realm with this movement. Keymaster, you should be ashamed with your lack of acknowledgement in this realm.

Any Mgtows here read this – I just hope you think for yourself. Take into consideration otheres that have endured the trauma of dealing with women, yet think logically about what you are dealing with and how to deal with current scenarios with dealing with females. MGTOW offers brilliant perspectives sometimes yet is too cult-like at other times. Quite reminiscent of an echo chamber.

[FreeGhostSpectator]

Too many cult minded thoughtless dolts on this site, unfortunately. I got my heart broken, had many girlfriends in the process, and know marriage and cohabitation is out of the question. Stop replicating statements as though you permanently exist in an echo chamber. Just a man asking for guidance here, that is all.

[FreeGhostSpectator]

echo chamber-like.

[BritGHOWParticipant]

So they think they can hold personally identifying information on people that have no desire or intent to be part of this little shindig and not end up with lawsuits? This thing will either turn into the world’s biggest echo chamber for women or they’ll get sued out of their ass on data protection grounds.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant]

There is the theory that you get a wife, she can work and provide another level of security in income. But,. how many women would really fit this? I know I have been single for years, and saw the downside of being out of work, and having to fallback on other family members. I kept feeling that if I had a wife who worked, I could swing for the fences and be entrepreneurial. Well, I know one guy who I had as a business partner who did this, and his wife left him after he failed too many times. Heck, due to him, I ended up losing my 401K, so I understood this.

Again, it seems it is all about multiplying and amplifying, nothing about anything new, from ground zero, that reset things. It is all about a woman as an echo chamber, or claiming she would be.

One woman I know in the Philippines, I know for years, posted that quote on the wall. I do fully see what she is going after. I did talk to her in chat, and she hasn’t shown an ability to add anything at all. Sure, multiplying is nice, but I need things I don’t have, not more or upgraded versions of what I do have. Hanging around MGTOW stuff has made the nature of this woman very clear to me, and why I question any guy who thinks he can go to Asian for a woman and she will be different. This woman had an interest in starting a business, but showed no signs of any sort of creativity at all, which is a BIG problem in trying to get anything to work. You have to see different to be an entrepreneur.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant]

Burgundy wrote:

It’s always good to see how things go, on the other side of the fence, else we might see ourselves becoming an echo-chamber, like the other places.
I find it quite amazing, how so many men here, choosing their paths, able to always find a common ground to discuss things, and no matter how different our opinions may be, we simply discuss and argue the merits, trying to use logic, or as scientists would do, come with a theory, test it several times against other theories, then come with another theory from that, test it some more, discuss it some more, and on it goes.
It’s so damn easy, to simply stay on the same track, this is why having our theories challenged often, keeps our minds awake and in focus.

I think there is a common point of trying to recover from a reality that marriage doesn’t work today, so men who are MGTOW are trying to find alternatives. Realizing men come from a wide range of places, can allow for a degree of respect of the differences.

For myself, I am getting tired of Blue Pill shots at MGTOW. It is like a focus on a few things I may not agree with, but then projecting it to be the entire thing. The main charges against MGTOW tend to fit under the TFL camp, of guys who would of gone TFL went MGTOW instead. As time goes on, I could end up coming up with highly effect retorts to the Blue Pill shots, but I seriously have too many other things to deal with. A core one, to keep it short would be: “Why the hell does what I do with my life matter to you at all, and since I don’t know you, why the hell would I care what you think or try to prove my value to you?” Mainly, I get left alone. The things I face from a Blue Pill world, limp in really weak and aren’t worth my time.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[BurgundyParticipant]

It’s always good to see how things go, on the other side of the fence, else we might see ourselves becoming an echo-chamber, like the other places.

I find it quite amazing, how so many men here, choosing their paths, able to always find a common ground to discuss things, and no matter how different our opinions may be, we simply discuss and argue the merits, trying to use logic, or as scientists would do, come with a theory, test it several times against other theories, then come with another theory from that, test it some more, discuss it some more, and on it goes.

It’s so damn easy, to simply stay on the same track, this is why having our theories challenged often, keeps our minds awake and in focus.

[UmbreonParticipant]

All human beings have free will. They can choose to let others control them, to let their emotions rule them, let their bodies rule them, or to control themselves. This goes for men and women alike. The only real difference is culture saying men should be independent while women are punished (often by other women) for independence which leads to massive herd mentality.

The women who have to keep up with the Joneses, fall into the femnazi echo chamber, end up blowing all their man’s money on the latest fashions, and otherwise can’t seem to act on their own without the approval of others are letting others control them. They have zero self respect and zero self esteem which is fostered from an early age with the “herd mentality” that going to school and going on social media forms. She bows to the stereotype of “get pretty, get man, get kids, die” and wants nothing else. Expect her to be “high maintenance” at best and it only gets worse if she has kids. Their counterparts are the men who “need” women to feel complete, the “yes men” down at your job, and the super vain/PUAs.

The women who must have a man to be happy, get depressed whenever they see they aren’t the best, fly into rages at being wrong, have tons of abandonment/parent/anxiety issues and are emotionally manipulative are letting their emotions control them. They never figured out how to deal with the fact that reality isn’t always a nice place to live and, chances are, were coddled with Hello Kitty Princess bulls~~~ during childhood. The emotional manipulation stems from the fact that they are easily manipulated emotionally so they think you are as well. Expect her to scream RAPE, use NAWALT to make herself feel better if anyone says something “bad” about women, and try for sympathy as she was “abused” and has “nasty exes”. The male equivalent is the mangina, especially those who have the exact same traits.

The woman who lets her body rule her has serious image issues, is very vain, and most likely will cheat if she’s bored as her body is “craving a man again”. Her self esteem may be good and if it is she’s likely to be very self-centered and not care about anyone else’s emotions. She will hit the wall. HARD. From there expect an angry femnazi to emerge from the wreckage. If her self-esteem isn’t good she’ll have all sorts of eating disorders and screw anyone just to feel validated as a person. Expect overlap with those who let their emotions control them and, on top of it, she will likely be a big ball of crazy. The male equivalent is the guy who just has to have sex with a woman even if it means buying a whore, the man-whore, and any PUA who wasn’t covered earlier.

The woman who controls herself… is invisible! As she doesn’t need outside attention to validate herself nor does she give a f~~~ what others think she’s not on social media or public places. As she doesn’t bow to what others tell her she “wants” she most likely has no kids, works at her own job, does her hobbies alone, then goes home. She doesn’t need a pat on the head for this so she’s not blogging about how “feminist” she is or otherwise drawing attention to her activities. Boyfriend? Nah. She’s the invisible unicorn and happy on her own. She may become a transman eventually as she doesn’t identify with any of the female bulls~~~. Her equivalent is us.

And the reason we don’t look for the invisible unicorn is because… seriously? It’s an invisible unicorn. You can’t see them, hear them, or touch them, and they’re so rare you’re liable to get an ass with a carrot strapped to her head instead of a unicorn. Considering the world is full of asses with carrots and not so full of unicorns, hedging your bets is wise.

Beauty fades, dumb is forever.

[13-JzzalParticipant]

I think the reason they think taking mgtow.com down would stop us is projection.

How long would the SJWs survive if tumblr and twitter were gone before they would shrivel up and die like parasites cut off from the host? They don’t just build echo chambers for the fun of it. They need them.

[JackinovParticipant]

Keymaster wrote:

Sidecar wrote:

As an aside, I’d just like to point out how I am having a cordial disagreement here in this thread, and with the owner of the forums himself, no less.. So much for certain feminist reviews calling MGTOW.com an “echo chamber of yes-men”.

Oh I roger that loud and clear. I’m smiling. (even gave you a thumbs up for disagreeing)

I know what you’re referring to. That article calling MGTOW forums an “echo chamber of yes men”.
QUOTE: “Forums become a ‘Yes!’ echo chamber. There is no discussion, just rants filled with yes-men.”

Being a “yes man” and agreeing with each other in the forums is a BAD thing.
But agreeing with them and being a “yes man” and giving women whatever they want is PERFECTLY acceptable.

EL.

OH.

EL.

Seems the ladies have a big problem when men agree on “No Ma’am”.

Let’s say you have a math class. You ask everyone: “What’s 1 + 1?” Now just because everyone who knows math says “2”, that’s not an echo chamber of “yes-men”. That’s just stating cold, hard facts, which most women can’t wrap their head around..

are you a chia pet in man drag

[Robert HallamParticipant]

One Eye

At the risk of making this thread an echo chamber I can say that I have had the same experience on occasions. When you are not doing the actual pursuing, they start with the touching, I don’t make the rebuff obvious, but I notice them getting frustrated with not getting the reaction they want. When I too explain my desire to be friends, as opposed to something deeper, they get angry (annoyed would be better word) and inevitably conclude “You must have been hurt in the past” or “You are just bitter” or “Not all women are like that, I’m different”.

So to answer your question, yes I’ve had essentially the same experience. Some women you can’t walk away from even if you tired, They won’t let it go.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

sidecar wrote:

As an aside, I’d just like to point out how I am having a cordial disagreement here in this thread, and with the owner of the forums himself, no less.. So much for certain feminist reviews calling MGTOW.com an “echo chamber of yes-men”.

Oh I roger that loud and clear. I’m smiling. (even gave you a thumbs up for disagreeing)

I know what you’re referring to. That article calling MGTOW forums an “echo chamber of yes men”.
QUOTE: “Forums become a ‘Yes!’ echo chamber. There is no discussion, just rants filled with yes-men.”

Being a “yes man” and agreeing with each other in the forums is a BAD thing.
But agreeing with them and being a “yes man” and giving women whatever they want is PERFECTLY acceptable.

EL.

OH.

EL.

Seems the ladies have a big problem when men agree on “No Ma’am”.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[sidecarParticipant]

Keymaster wrote:

The MGHOW says “WTF are you even doing in that situation?” and doesn’t even see how that’s possible – to be in a s~~~ty relationship with a female for 3-4 years , she calls you abusive and threatens to put you in jail with lies ……. and you STILL haven’t left??

If I find some poor schmuck trapped at the bottom of a well I’m definitely going to ask him what the f~~~ was he thinking how he got his silly ass down there in the first place? But I’ll still drop him a rope, if I have one.

From there it’s on him to grab the rope and climb out.

MRA’s seem more the type to climb down into the well to try to carry him out, or try to convince him to “fix” the well, or try to negotiate with the well, or join him in the well and tell him it’s not such a bad well after all. For all the good it will do them.

But I think MGTOW can spare a little rope.

MRAs can maybe help you AFTER the fact.
MGTOW exists so that you will never need them,

…again.

The thing is, Men come to Going Their Own Way from all sorts of places and situations. It would be best for all concerned, or at least for those with a Y chromosome, if Men learned about Going Their Own Way before getting themselves in trouble. However with all the intense pressure young men are under to act against their own best interests, not to mention the lies, the plain truth is that a lot of men, probably the majority, are only going to learn their lesson the hard way after the fact. Just look at how many men repeat the same lament in the introductions board that they wish they’d learned about MGTOW “before…” I think probably the majority of divorced MGTOW probably learned the truth of it, even if not by name, while still in their marriage, not after. Discovering MGTOW is probably the main reason why they are divorced.

I think of it like this: It’s Men GOING Their Own Way. What matters is not where they are at right now, but where they are Going. Yes this poor guy should never have gotten himself into this situation in the first place (seriously, what the actual f~~~? – I can only imagine it was one of those slow frog boiling scenarios), but that’s not nearly as important as where he Goes from here. And I have no problem trying to advise him how to Go there if I can. It’s one of the ways MGTOW Saves Lives.

Of course it’s still all on him to actually go.

As an aside, I’d just like to point out how I am having a cordial disagreement here in this thread, and with the owner of the forums himself, no less.. So much for certain feminist reviews calling MGTOW.com an “echo chamber of yes-men”.

[UmbreonParticipant]

All I can say is that twitter is only good for two things:

An echo chamber for manginas and women
A place to sell the above people random crap via cleverly worded advertising tweets.

I hope he moves on to greener pastures and finds better ways to spend his free time. He’s too good for Twitter.

Beauty fades, dumb is forever.

[UmbreonParticipant]

Red flag: she’s talking about her “f~~~ed up” ex for long stretches, especially early in the relationship.
She’s not over him. Also, she has poor taste in men and possibly STDs, especially if he was a druggie.

Red flag: All or nearly all of her friends are female.
Expect the common breeder wildebeest who feels entitled to everything and has her echo chamber tell her how right she is and that she can do no wrong. Any “nice girl” act will drop as soon as she thinks she owns you and she will gain 50 pounds. Alternatively, she has secret guy friends who aren’t really just friends. F~~~ buddies aren’t friends, so in her mind, it’s not a lie.

Red Flag: She has guy friends and won’t let you meet them.
When she says she has guy friends then refuses to let you meet them it’s clear she doesn’t want you to know them for a reason. Double warning if she met them in a bar, club, or other hook-up scene.

Red flag: Her eyes are neon blue, wolf-like gold, or “stop light” amber and it’s not contact lenses.
This is an AIDS symptom. Full blown AIDS can destroy the cells that color the eyes leading to unusual eye colors. Run for the hills and warn your friends.

Red Flag: She’s sweet, compliant, and very interested in marriage.
The huge warning is the “marriage” thing. She’s getting you on the hook so she can bleed you dry. The “perfect girl” act will end as soon as she’s knocked up or the marriage papers are signed, whichever first. This is especially true if most/all of her friends are female: they share plans and encourage each other in secret.

Red flag: she openly wants kids and coos at children
She doesn’t give a hoot what you think: she will get pregnant with or without you and make you pay for it. Condoms get sabotaged. The lube gets oil in it. That depo shot is actually a vitamin shot. The birth control is tic-tacs. If she can’t find another way, she’s f~~~ing some guy she met on the bus and she thinks you’ll never know as “all her friends are girls”. Breeders are always the worst.

Red Flag: She bathes 2-3 times a day and/or talks about how “clean” she is.
She’s a skank and terrified of getting tested as she knows she probably has STDs so she bathes compulsively instead. Get yourself tested, guys, and get her tested, too, if you want to hit that. Around 80% of the time STD infected people don’t show symptoms.

Beauty fades, dumb is forever.

[Anonymous]

My thought on the matter is if you are thinking of owning a plastic doll to satisfy sexual urge then that’s all good and sweet.

You said you accept it all … So I will elaborate.

Sexual desire for a single guy is just an occurrence and perhaps even a nuisance. Rubbing one out would be the norm. I don’t have any issue with the weirdness factor of the doll or you shopping for her dress.

The bit I feel concerned about is that it can become a psychological echo chamber to enhance whatever you seek to avoid by buying the doll. I am being a presumptuous asshole and I apologize if I am being arrogant or insensitive.

You mentioned being with a woman is less desirable than being with a doll. I would urge you to seek out a real woman for some. Lower your standards for a night. A plastic doll to substitute real human interaction is not ideal.

I don’t know your personal circumstances so if it just seems like a rambling, lets leave it at that.

Cheers

[Anonymous]

I am actually seeing the same thing on youtube channels. It is not big yet (just a couple of recent youtubers), but some so called mgotws are trying to make a divise between black and white mgtow.

First, I think if black men decide to leave mgtow circles, it will be a lost for us, but it will be worse for them. They will be easier to target and their group might suffer a co-op more easly.

Second, although I do feel for black men that are suffering the effects of feminism and gynocentrism longer then white and other men, I do wonder, what they expect us to do, beside showing some support and sharing knowledge? The strenght of Mgtow is precisely the fact that there is no central power, or movement. We have certain pockets (like the mayor of Mgtow helping the homeless, or other mgtows helping other causes), but in the end, for better or worse, each and every one of us is responsible for our individual lives. We share our experiences on what work and don’t work on our lives, but other then that, there is not much we can do. And although this might not seem to have an impact on the short term, it does on the long term. Men not marrying en masse, and the spread of the Mgtow label is just the begining. And this is happening in an organic fashion, which makes it impossible for feminism and butt-hurt women to attack. But if we decide to “get together” in any official way, like an organization, then women can infiltrate, attack and destroy it.

As for Richard being tuna because he is bringing questions, I will play the devil advocate here. I don’t see this as a bad thing (bringing questions, not the being a tuna part). I think that reviewing our points of view are a good way to keep our minds sharp and to avoid making this an echo chamber. We are human, and therefore we are flawed, therefore we are not immune to “Group think”. And so far, Richard questions were not in anyway derrogatory, at least as far as I can tell. I think that if we start feeling too comfortable, then it is a problem. Not saying that we should fight all the time, or that we should repeat ourselves with old questions that were already answered (like trolls saying NAWALT, or that women should be chained to the kitchen), but unless I am mistaken, Richard has not done neither of these things yet. I do believe that making this site an echo chamber is one of the worse things we could do, but that is my opinion.

Cheers.

[JollyMisanthropeParticipant]

Russky wrote:

“very low tolerance for stupid bulls~~~.” That’s me in one sentence. Brilliant. Took the words out of my mouth

Ditto sir. That’s why I don’t waste my time and energy on people in general.

99% of the spontaneous conversations I’ve had in public are usually a f~~~ing headache after 5-10 minutes. It’s either pop culture garbage, bland sports talk (since I’m a guy I guess I must be obsessed with sports right?) or listening to them repeat the same political ideas they heard on the news or from some leader that represents the majority of their ideas (Dem vs Repub s~~~).

Even when I run into people who have half a clue what’s going on in the world, it still ends up being a boring echo chamber.

This is the low tolerance for stupid bulls~~~ song. Coroner is f~~~ing epic and an extremely underrated band.

The Children of Doom... Doom's Children. They told my lord the way to the Mountain of Power. They told him to throw down his sword and return to the Earth... Ha! Time enough for the Earth in the grave.