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Have you made even one thread that isn’t concern trolling? It seems like every time I see your name it’s an attack on MGTOW and telling us all we can’t use such and such word, or that we must do this or that because it’s not to your liking.
Look at a number of videos I have posted and videos I have shared. You can also check out a number of YouTube videos I have done. I discuss MGTOW and ask on here, because of what I am seeing happening. I will post a number of threads that may be down the middle on opinions. As you can see here, some think MGTOW is a brotherhood, and others don’t think so.
What I see in here also is a number of topics that are to be concerned about this or that, from why Mad Max is a feminist piece, to other things also. I had assumed the MGTOW Central was to discuss MGTOW, so I post in here about MGTOW.
"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.
The whole reason I sought out MGTOW is because I am sick and tired of people, mostly women, who try and create divisions, and it mostly revolves around degrading men. But another source of this same thing is people using their race to create division.
I don’t understand why people can’t just be people, why women have to highlight their differences or why other races have to highlight their differences. We are all the same- life is too short to be corrupted by the politics of division. It annoys me hearing terms like African-American, terms like that are only made to create division. Why are these terms still being used? They are about as relevant as me describing myself as European- American despite the fact I have never been to Europe. We should all be called Americans instead of allowing people with a hidden agenda to go around unnecessarily creating divisions. I am starting to think, like feminists who were never happy even when they did win the gender wars yet are still living in victim mindset, the African-American civil rights movement is still living in a victim mindset despite winning. For Christ sake we voted in Obama. We are doing everything we can to right any inequality we undertook in the past. The African-Americans are starting to sound very much like the feminists and their illogical pursuit of victimhood. Sad.
MGTOW is a community, and I can understand how it means a lot to men who have lost everything in a divorce or men and who have felt the gynocentric way in which our laws work. Maybe one day it will evolve beyond a online community and have a say in men’s rights, as after all someone needs to reverse these crazy double standards. But I am also happy with MGTOW as it is, as an outlet of freedom for men to say how they really feel without being talked down by toxic leftists. Because MGTOW is not aligned with any certain political affiliation, it truly is a bastion of freedom where men can exist without the corrupting influence of women and manginas.
I say good riddance to anyone who wants to create divisions. But we should be allowed to talk about these issues here, otherwise what is the point of MGTOW if we can’t express our opinions, when we end up all conforming to a certain way of thinking we end up like the feminists. I hope that day never comes. Stay free.
This man is so ignorant and full of s~~~. In nearly every statement he makes he’s full of gratuitous material errors.
You speaking of video, or you speaking of all posts I do? If it is preferable, I can leave the forum.
"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.
@Everyone there was some question when Richard first arrived if he was indeed a male, and we can verify and confirm that he is by his voice message which he left us one afternoon. Not a standard , expected or accepting approach but we are glad he made an immediate effort to identify himself and reconcile.
If it is preferable, I can leave the forum.
@richard The decision to stay or go (or take a break) is like ALL MGTOW decisions. We wouldn’t presume to tell you what to do or answer this question for you.
Whatever you do, I would ask you to realize that “tough love” or pushback from other MGTOW brothers doesn’t mean “leave” or “go away”. It means step up your game if you’re going to be here. You should expect this kind of reaction when you begin topics and question other MGTOW’s authenticity, sense of brotherhood and sincerity. When you question that, you should expect them to question you. It’s only fair and to be expected, wouldn’t you say?
You must understand that MGTOW is already not well received “out there”…. so when a member joins who immediately criticizes and questions other members where it is presumed that we understand each other on a basic level, it is bound to raise an eyebrow or three. This is a place to COME TOGETHER – not divide. The concept of “joining” is about exactly that: coming together in a mutual understanding in a forum where others can feel at home. But beginning a topic called “Why MGTOW doesn’t work as a brotherhood” doesn’t even do anything to ENCOURAGE a sense of brotherhood.
It’s not apparent what meaning you had by that. It could almost be compared to stepping into a relationship and then opening a conversation over breakfast about how the relationship doesn’t work. SOMEONE is bound to question the meaning of that.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.Ok, thanks. What I have been seeing happen recently is several fault lines happening that look like they are divisive, two next to each other, and this other one. So, I am left asking about things. They are questions, and probing to make sense out of all it. I am curious how MGTOW would connect and work together, if fault lines like this happen.
Anyhow, I probably need to take a break here, and work on other things, so I may drop off to sort things out. Something is out of sorts if I am cranking out YouTube videos at 2am. I need sleep.
"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.
This is what happens when you allow race to divide, you end up with University diversity officers banning all white men from events and only allow people of colour, women and non binary people to have rights. https://www.change.org/p/expel-bahar-mustafa-from-goldsmiths-university-for-criminal-misconduct-bahar-mustafa-should-be-removed-from-study-at-goldsmiths-university
Personally I think Richard has a point in as much as white men are the victims of a racialcentric society as much as we are victims of a gynocentric society. Look at the way white men are NEVER taken seriously in the media. Part of the problem is also the way we are all automatically assumed to be racist if we are white males.
I don’t think censorship is the answer, maybe just don’t reply to posts if you think they are purposely trying to create divisions. But I don’t want to end up having to not talk about race because I might offend someone, that’s when we end up like any other mainstream forum. That’s when we end up kowtowing to the social conditioners.
Anonymous1I am actually seeing the same thing on youtube channels. It is not big yet (just a couple of recent youtubers), but some so called mgotws are trying to make a divise between black and white mgtow.
First, I think if black men decide to leave mgtow circles, it will be a lost for us, but it will be worse for them. They will be easier to target and their group might suffer a co-op more easly.
Second, although I do feel for black men that are suffering the effects of feminism and gynocentrism longer then white and other men, I do wonder, what they expect us to do, beside showing some support and sharing knowledge? The strenght of Mgtow is precisely the fact that there is no central power, or movement. We have certain pockets (like the mayor of Mgtow helping the homeless, or other mgtows helping other causes), but in the end, for better or worse, each and every one of us is responsible for our individual lives. We share our experiences on what work and don’t work on our lives, but other then that, there is not much we can do. And although this might not seem to have an impact on the short term, it does on the long term. Men not marrying en masse, and the spread of the Mgtow label is just the begining. And this is happening in an organic fashion, which makes it impossible for feminism and butt-hurt women to attack. But if we decide to “get together” in any official way, like an organization, then women can infiltrate, attack and destroy it.
As for Richard being tuna because he is bringing questions, I will play the devil advocate here. I don’t see this as a bad thing (bringing questions, not the being a tuna part). I think that reviewing our points of view are a good way to keep our minds sharp and to avoid making this an echo chamber. We are human, and therefore we are flawed, therefore we are not immune to “Group think”. And so far, Richard questions were not in anyway derrogatory, at least as far as I can tell. I think that if we start feeling too comfortable, then it is a problem. Not saying that we should fight all the time, or that we should repeat ourselves with old questions that were already answered (like trolls saying NAWALT, or that women should be chained to the kitchen), but unless I am mistaken, Richard has not done neither of these things yet. I do believe that making this site an echo chamber is one of the worse things we could do, but that is my opinion.
Cheers.
Well you did admit previously (in an email) that you tend to OVER-think things. This can be problematic because you will seek fault in something that doesn’t necessarily have any.
I remember once being out with a girlfriend for lunch. The weather was perfect. The sun was singing. The birds were shining. Nothing was “wrong” at all. I was just sitting there quietly enjoying my lunch in peace and she started up some “I’m not haaaaaaaaaaaaaapy” stuff when there was nothing wrong at all. She created a problem that didn’t exist because she wasn’t “haaaaaaaaaaaapy” right there. She didn’t see the value in just being CONTENT. The problem with over-thinking is like looking for a flaw in a knitted sweater. Pull the wrong thread and everything falls apart.
MGTOW isn’t a “brotherhood” in the first place. That’s secondary. MGTOW is A – ONE – MAN looking to no others for social cues, acceptance or approval and preserving and protecting his own sovereignty as priority one, but that doesn’t also mean creating friction when there doesn’t need to be any. “MGTOW” is just population of other men who are like that. Finding, communicating and connecting with them is the “brotherhood” of mutual understanding.
It DOES work… although fundamentally each one knows he’s on his own.
It’s that pebble in your pocket that keeps you grounded.
It doesn’t love you… but it’s there.If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.
Anonymous1Ok, fair enough.
Didn’t want to create friction. But I do think that just bringing this up to the website attention is not necessarily a bad thing. I don’t support this “separation”, and as I stated, any division would not benefit anyone, but I do wonder what these guys that are pushing such thing to happen expect white mgtow to do.
Of course, if this kind of thread becomes routine, then it can be a problem, but I don’t see this happening here… yet.
Then again, I might have overlooked some threads.
Anyway, it is late, and I got go.
Cheers.
Apolz if I wasn’t clear. The “over-thinking” post was to Richard. You 2 posted yours before I hit submit so perhaps it wasn’t obvious who it was for.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.
Anonymous1I don’t know how one can leave MGTOW, or what that even means. I’m assuming this issue hasnt changed their view on gynocentrism and hasnt turned them back into blue pills, theyre just refusing to use the MGTOW label. The MRA is the activist side of the manosphere, their complaints would be more suited to AVFM.
I guess to placate to prevent a sort of schism, I am supposed to support Dukes of Hazzard from cable TV, because the car on the show has a confederate flag on it: http://spinoff.comicbookresources.com/2015/07/01/dukes-of-hazzard-reruns-pulled-by-tv-land/
I watched one Dukes episode when I was much younger. It was insultingly dumb TV fare. I was scared 15 min in that I may have lost an IQ point by the time the first commercial came on. Then I turned it off and turned on the radio for some music.
Anyway. No you don’t need to support Dukes. Its about having choices, even stupid ones. Having choices is what makes us human, the act of choosing is what helps us define ourselves.
How long will it be before the SJW and PC gestapo start rewriting history to suit themselves, remove any perceived incorrect choices and teach it to children.
Oh Wait… Too Late..
https://www.thetrumpet.com/article/515.31986.35.0/society/education/rewriting-history?preview
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/rewriting-history-texas-tackles-textbook-debate/
http://www.politicallyincorrect.me.uk/rewritehistory.htm
I like the last one where a history text in England where they did not include any text on WWII and England’s involvement.
The PC gestapo and SJW’s are removing even the option of making your own decisions. There will be no choice, because they know people are to stupid to think for themselves and make choices.
It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion, it is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shaking, the shaking becomes a warning; it is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.
MGTOW is about independent men, sharing Red Pill reality, the only racism here is against the Red Pill, these videos and threads are devisive, and unnecessary. Some people are leaving MGTOW because it isn’t about racism, nothing to see here. My bet is it’s a deflection, best ignored the way we do best, with a beer on the back porch, not giving any f~~~s we may still have left.
BTW I’m not racist, I hate everyone equally.When the war cemeteries are half full of the corpses of dead conscripted women, only then will women have earned the right to speak of equality. Sidecar “A man is a success if he gets up in the morning and goes to bed at night and in between does what he wants to do.” - Bob Dylan
I can’t believe people are leaving and creating tension. I’m tired of reading posts on here that go ‘I’m Black but..’, ‘I’m Asian but…’ you never hear a white guy letting everyone know he’s white. To me the racist approach by minorities is akin to the feminine plague. Screw this bulls~~~ I am outta here. I don’t have time to listen to anyone bemoan their lot in life. If the African-American men cared so much about black men, then they would have raised attention and at least created ONE video or thread dealing with the MC happening to 15 million African men. Such hypocrites. I will keep my thoughts to myself and live a peaceful life unplugged.
Also the whole dukes of hazard thing is so weak. Who cares if the confederate flag was used. Just because one guy used it to insight hatred doesn’t mean the other millions of people who live in the south feel the same way. Do your research and actually find out how many people owned slaves in the US during slavery times, the percentage is miniscule. The TV and media have made mountains out of molehills. We righted our wrongs. Until a African country democratically elects a white man as their president all I can say is shut up anyone who claims America is racist.
The guy who made that video in the original post doesn’t even take into account some of the police officers were also black. You know what I see? I see a black president elected by a white majority country standing in a black only church lecturing that white majority country on racism, all I see is hypocrisy.
Also Richard if your going to start a topic, maybe try going about it in a way that is not the most antagonizing way possible. Making blanket statements that seem against MGTOW isn’t the best way to get your point across. Sure I am all for talking about big issues also, but using words like ‘doesn’t work’ as opposed to something less charged like ‘Why do men find it hard to form a brotherhood’ that doesn’t imply MGTOW is a lost cause. It almost sounds like you don’t want to be here. Bye.
I just watched some MGTOW videos and just saw the video by the Mayor of MGTOW featuring handouts given to black people on the street. I mean man that is kind of condescending, and I can completely understand why black MGTOW are now breaking off. I can see you had good intentions, but I think MGTOW is a online community for men to vent and get positive validation that they are not insane, and to critique the idiocy of the mainstream popular media. Personally I wouldn’t bother trying to make it inclusive or worldwide. It is what it is. It’s for any man who wants to use it. And as a white man, anything to do with race and your damned if you do and damned if you don’t. You can’t win so better to just go with the flow of the community as it is.
Anyway I have decided not to live my life based on the politics of division. All the best for the future and goodbye.
I am likely going to be posting less on here. I seriously need to get on my life, and get a job, which will end up helping with that. I think with my free time, which is what I do with it. I try to communicate and so on, and look at big picture issues. That is what I do. I have my own biases and preferences, which I communicate. I also, when I see what looks like an issue popping up, I will see it. It is case of my being now not able to earn a living and trying to reach out be constructive with my time, to keep my sanity.
In communicating with some men doing MGTOW video (on YouTube), I get different perspectives on things. I generally get positive opinions of my channel on there, for some reason. A problem I can see happening, which I raised here, is what I would call “schisms” when different values meet each other in MGTOW, that are fairly contradictory but come out of human nature.
One of them I see, that is a strong strain in MGTOW is that of autonomy. Autonomy is a major attribute of men, and is really in MGTOW. Whenever it appears that a view of a MGTOW is questioned, out will come defenses and arguing that you stand against them.
Another one that is that men also have a desire for community and brotherhood/fellowship and connecting, which involves finding commonality with others. This will work against autonomy, and I see it as a schism point that can happen, where fractures can occur, when you also want to have autonomy there.
I am not going to name one MGTOW I had a private message with, but while I would value autonomy and live and let live as a top priority, the producer of the MGTOW videos I was talking with valued community and brotherhood and his actions show this. When I make mention of issue here I saw about a schism over race, he wrote about MGTOW not being for wafflers and the weak need to be sorted out for the sake of the brotherhood. I am paraphrasing here, but that is what I saw was spoken.
In all this writing, I am not saying MGTOW can’t work together, and have some degree of unity even. I just believe that some forms aren’t going to work. To be able to work out unity vs autonomy is a key issue MGTOW will need to address as I see it, and not just for MGTOW, but also western civilization, because this is a problem society is facing. And yes, feel free I am overthinking things here. Count it as a grasping to find meaning by myself, who doesn’t have much going on.
Anyhow, everyone else can decide what you will do. I need to get on with my life. I also need to post less here and do more. See me more on my Youtube channel stuff, as I get on. My focus now is on doing, less talking, which is what I said I WAS doing.
Ok, I will edit in one more point: I believe SINGLE men, irregardless of race, are probably the most neglected group in society. About every other group has society trying to do things to support them, but single men? They have historically been disposable. One could argue that maybe white single men are the most of the most disposable or neglected, because they are seen to have the least disadvantages, because society seeks to try to offset disadvantages. My going here opens up a whole can of worms I am not going to get into. It just may be there, and isn’t a call to to have single (white) men to try to plea to society for rights (see MRA), but a matter of personal empowerment, because no one else is going to help. I think to try to schism over whatever issue ends up not being helpful here.
Anyhow, I just wanted to get that one in here.
"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.
You speaking of video, or you speaking of all posts I do? If it is preferable, I can leave the forum.
The author of the video you posted. Not you.
You speaking of video, or you speaking of all posts I do? If it is preferable, I can leave the forum.
The author of the video you posted. Not you.
Ok, thanks. With some posts, I wasn’t sure. I figure it probably wasn’t, but I wasn’t sure. I am going to be posting less on here. I have to get onto other things with my life. I am likely to put ideas I have up on the YouTube channel I have, rather than start threads here. I may jump in some, if I see something, but less so. I think the format of my doing a video and letting it sit for comments, seems to work best. My over analysis can sit there and people make of it what they will.
My motivation is to get my stuff together, and be able to do things in a better way, and new ways that work better. I am not looking to feud and fight, and try to convert anyone, just be in peace and discuss what I see as comments. I will look to sort out new ways and go from there.
Anyhow, speaking of other stuff, I better get going to the gym now.
"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.
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