Is it that AVFM is falling apart, so there is now an attempt to grab the pieces of AVFM for one’s own following? Forney and Roosh are the PUA/Neo-Masculinity ROK crowd. I have seen Forney end up taking shots at AVFM. Or is it the rest of the manosphere here, seeing decline and death, is like a bunch of rats fighting over the last bit of cheese?
Each one of those people / websites / organizations is in it for the money, either through donations or book sales or PUA paid seminars or whatever. They are all segments of the Manosphere Economy, in competition with each other for a very limited supply of dollars. Meanwhile Going Your Own Way is completely free and can’t net any of them so much as a thin dime.
Once you understand that, the behavior of the likes of Paul elameF etc. makes a lot more sense.
Well, it is similar to my thoughts on what was going on, but I was asking for your take on it. I was getting that, while it was a financial angle, there was a political angle also and a desire to end up having large pools of men agreeing to certain views, in order to be able to use the Alpha-Beta-Omega (whatever) ordering so you could have leaders to get the men to march. The autonomy element in MGTOW undermines all that, so they can’t use it. That explains the part against MGTOW. As for the rest, it is posturing to get the eyeb~~~~ and views, to be able to get them to march. It is deeper than the dollars, it is for the heart and soul of the manosphere. Once you capture that, you end up getting the money. I express my take on MGTOW, and Esmay goes off on me, because I am too much of an uncaring bastard, to not march, and battle the evil state, and needing to be under him, to free men against the evil government. If I don’t do this, and join their marches, the big bad government is going to get me, powered by a woman who will end up going after me, because I am living with her. The idea of myself not living with a woman, never entered the likes of Esmay’s mind, for example. For myself, the replying back to myself without namecalling but stating I think it is a useless activity that doesn’t do anything, is interesting to see how much he goes off the rails. I may of got the last word in by sharing a link to Angry Young Man (Prelude) by Billy Joel.
The thing Esmay, and others, may not get, is my involvement in attempting to do community building and also some activism and working on grassroots political campaigns to some degree (I went from Gary Hart, to Ross Perot, to Ron Paul, etc…) over the years, and had Occupy, Ron Paul, and involvement in a local Democratic Party as 3 examples. I also did church planting stuff also, from that end, and have started a number of online communities. Yes, for years I have done this, and I see how much of a freakin’ waste of time it is to try to get masses together for anything. Usually it is something like MGTOW that happens, a label that gets trending and people jump on. The difference with MGTOW is each man can make it pay off.
For the folly of collective action, you can see one game I designed, called “The Quitting Game”, which shows why trying to do akin to a general strike won’t work:
https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/128512/quitting-game
As a statement to show the futility of activism, I created The Activist Game:
https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/122578/activist-game
I loosely mirror reality and show why it is futile to try to do activism (I was originally thinking of PETA when I was pondering it, but the folly of Occupy is what made me go through with getting the game up).
I also post the Orthodox theologian quote on activism, and its folly.
"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.
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