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I searched through the topics and didn’t see anything I could jump into, so here goes.

For you tax guys, strategists and accumulators. What method do you use?

I am going to get totally hammered this year but hope to keep it to just this year. Divorce was final the day before valentines day this year, how appropriate, I know. In the process of building a new house, set to close in March 2016. This is not the house I plan to retire in, just a place I can get into to stop paying someone rent. It’s a four bedroom near good schools so it will be appealing to family when the time comes to move on. No write offs this year, just single and nothing to claim. I expect the worse, so my withholding’s have been single and none all this year. Next year I need a strategy to maximize the retention of what I earn, I’m 50.

I plan on maxing out my IRA contribution for this year.

No kids & no alimony.

I’m a saver, I still have fun but never realized how far my salary would go being married.

Just curious what you guys in this line of work or just knowledgeable for that matter, what strategy do you use?
Thanks.

[Klaus WindamierParticipant]

I will screen the topic here.

Not sure if this is the correct sub to post this in, but I finally wrapped up this living nightmare and wanted to share my story. Hopefully to just keep spreading the word about how broke our legal system is as it relates to this matter, and possibly forewarn others before they find themselves in a similar position.

I saw the signs telling me to break it off with my then girlfriend over a year ago, but chose to try and stick it out. I learned my lesson the very hard and expensive way. When I finally broke up with her this summer she became vindictive and decided to tell the police that I hit her, which never happened. Things that happen when a women decides to fabricate a lie as such:

• I was arrested out of the blue at my home on a Saturday night and was not able to get out of jail until Monday at noon. The detention center is 22 hours a day locked in your cell with nothing to do or look at. No books, no TV, nothing. Fortunately I mostly work from home. If not, this could have been detrimental to my job.

• She listed my apartment as her residence. With the temporary restraining order maintaining that I am not allowed with 100 yards of her, I was forced to find an alternate living situation. For the 6 weeks until I was able to get her evicted, I had to pay $1534/month in rent plus utilities for her to live in my apartment. On top of that it cost me roughly $100/night for pet friendly motel rooms that my dog and I could stay in. Fortunately I had a friend that let me sleep on his couch for a couple of weeks, but all of additional living costs added very quickly. And for a person that works from home, it was a huge pain.

• Even though the case was frivolous, I could not risk getting charged and a Domestic Violence charge going on my record so I had to retain a lawyer. This ran me $3500, and he was on the lower end of the quotes I received.

• After getting out of jail, I had 4 different court dates that I had to take off of work for and make up reasons as to why I was taking random vacation days in the middle of the week.

• Even though there was no mention of liquor being involved in the charges, it is mandatory that while the case is open defendants are not allowed to consume liquor. I work in the Liquor industry. Not being able to drink in my accounts for 3 months was a problem, people started to question me “taking a break”. I am sure that more than a few people think I got a DUI, which is a career ender in my job.

• She made sure to tell everyone and the people I don’t know very well believed her. People also love to gossip. Even with the case dropped, it has severely done damage to my reputation.

• She fraudulently put a phone line on my plan. Because I wasn’t allowed to contact or communicate with her during the case, the only option I had was to pay the $680 to cancel her plan while Sprint’s Fraud Department tries to figure out if they are going to hold me accountable, otherwise the dept goes into collections and dings my credit. You would think it would be common sense that since she didn’t have my password to modify the account and she forged my signature, I would be off the hook. But Sprint is being very resistant and telling me that I will most likely have to take her to civil court if I want to get my $680 back. She doesn’t have $680, so that would be fruitless.

• She didn’t water my Bonsai tree and it died. They are expensive.
Prosecutors want convictions, it is good for their career. They have no incentive to review or drop the case early. It is easily the most stressful event I have ever gone through in my entire life, and they know this. For this reason, they wait until the very last minute to review the facts of the case and consider a dismissal because many men will break and take a guilty charge plea deal.

By the time I went to court we had mountains of evidence to prove that I couldn’t have committed the crime, most importantly proof that I was out of state when the alleged event occurred. Took less than 5 minutes of the prosecutors speaking with my lawyer before they told the judge they were dropping all charges.

It’s beyond sad and depressing that our governing system is so broken that all a girl has to do is say “He hit me”, and a man’s life can be turned completely upside down. There were men in the court room who had lost their jobs and were staying shelters because they had nowhere else to go. Thank god I was fortunate enough to have sacked away $7k get through all this, but I am by no means wealthy and that is at least a year’s savings for me.

TL;DR The criminal justice system for Domestic Violence is very broken.

To all the blue pillers, mangina, and white knight out there.

Still there is a reason not to swallow red pill?

It feels great to be a young, strong, smart Man who finally has his penis under control.

A whole life ahead of me. Smell that fresh air. That’s freedom.

It’s absolutely intoxicating. F~~~ the plantation.

Girlfriends, wives, children… Nowadays that’s how a Man loses.

I can sense the jealousness of all the mangina and post-wall feminists in my day to day life.

No chains here. Future is looking bright.

———–

I see it time and time again. Someone on my delivery route gets married. 6 months later they have this look on their faces. The realization that it’s all downhill from there. Haha suckers!

Then the first baby. The sex is definitely over with after that. Now the bills come. That new house you bought out in the suburbs in the midst of a real estate bubble… Yea have fun with that.

Bet the mangina didn’t realize that maintenance, insurance, taxes, utilities will cost even more than the mortgage payment. 30 years of slavery to the banks… That’s what your supposed to do, right??

1 year later, mangina’s sweetie is twice the size and the stress of keeping her happy is starting to overwhelm. This is when the eyes start to look down, in a submissive way. Bags around the eyes start to appear from being kept awake all night by mounting bills and the sound of baby crying.

F~~~ that s~~~. I’ll just keep banking half my paycheck.

Get rid of the females and Man inherits the Earth.

Not my property... Not my problem

[Anonymous]

You’re in a tough situation. I’ve never lived with women I’ve dated or allowed them to live with me. Even as a blue pill moron, I had a little MGHOW inside guiding me.

I’d start slowly moving things out of there which will help with the one go issue.. I’d do things she won’t notice first like equipment and tools. You can always use a pretext like Jim Bob borrowed it if she asks about anything missing. If you can line up a few friends with trucks, I’d hit her with a surprise shock and awe on the final move.

From my friend’s experiences, they will go for the things that you have the deepest emotional connections so I’d triage those too with high priority.

Plan ahead and set the trap for when you are ready to spring it. Be stealthy about it. Do not utter one word to her of what you are planning.

If you can manipulate her into dumping you, it will go much easier on you and your stuff. Women go apoplectic when a man dumps them and will do some crazy s~~~. Yes, your possessions are in grave danger.

Plan an exit strategy and execute your plans at a time of your choice.

Hello Everyone,

I believe I have finally found a place to call home so to speak. Good to be a part of the community. I feel like there is so much wonderful information and guidance here for both young and old men who want to breakout of the “business as usual” that is life for the modern man.

First off I want to say I’m deeply proud of myself for overcoming and now finally accepting life the way it is instead of the life I desire most. Like many of you, I’m a “proverbial trier” in the sense that if something doesn’t work I try to slam a round peg in a square hole until it fits. The thing is it never really does fit well in all aspects of life. It took me a long time to understand that if something isn’t naturally the way it should be to simply let it alone. Don’t try and force anything in life, it only leads to unhappiness. Definitely try and seize opportunities when present but also know when to cut your losses.

I was born with a disability to my left leg which included 16 operations as a kid. I’m missing most of my muscles in my hip, my ACL and LCL in my knee and basically have a femur that is 8 inches shorter than my right leg. I had 2 leg lengthening operations as a kid too. Lots of pain learning how to walk and re-walk over and over again. However, growing up I was always a little ham and had a wonderfully positive attitude. I was never down about my hardship.

I spent 1 year of my life on crutches at age 14 as my hip would dislocate out the back. The doctors could do no more for me and I accepted the fact that using crutches or a cane the rest of my life was going to be my reality so I sucked it up. I got so good at crutches I could beat my buddies up the stairs and win. To this day I can still walk on crutches with out my legs touching the ground simply by using my arms. It was one random day when, on the advice of a doctor, I went to see a man from Ireland who specialized in prosthetics who was doing a conference in my hometown. I spoke to the man after the conference and within minutes he drew up on a piece of paper a design for a brace that would transfer the weight from my bad hip to my seatbone. 6 months later after they built the brace I went home and ran on the sidewalk for the first time in over a year. It was the happiest moment of my life to be mobile again.

Alas gents I’ve learned in my 30 years on this planet that my life is abnormally hard. Over the years I became less and less optimistic and more and more realistic. I watched my friends go on and play sports, date the pretty women and generally become good men. It was in high school that I started to become introverted around large groups of people. I was great with my circle of friends but I learned very quickly that nobody liked the smart kid who was inquisitive, throw in a disability and being one of the short guys it made it hard to be popular. I slowly accepted the fact that I wasn’t going to be a top dog in the world so I invented a party guy personality with a little bit of a rebellious streak. I guess I didn’t care about getting in trouble as who gives a s~~~; I had 10 lb prosthetic leg to walk on every day and 16 surgeries under my belt. During those high school years though I thought I could still be a great man if I just kept trying. I was going to get a great girlfriend etc…

In college I managed to join a fraternity and embrace alcohol. With booze I could finally let go of the emotional and mental pain of being different and let the real me out. I did have some sexual experiences with women in college and always managed to get phone numbers etc… but I was always so afraid of being rejected because of my disability that I never followed up on any of them long-term.

After college I worked hard in my chosen field of marketing and website design and bought a condo in the city at 24. It was then I decided to truly take my life to the next level. I wanted love and I wanted a great girlfriend and companion. I studied PUA for many years starting in 2005 and forced myself to even join a lair in my city. I got over my approach anxiety and met some other great guys that helped each other. I approached and approached and had good conversations with women at various bars. I got a lot of numbers but very very few of them called me back the next day. I got my first girlfriend at 24 who was a kindergarten teacher who had just recently broken up with her bf of 1 year. I was so happy until she broke up with me 7 weeks later to go back to her bf. They are now married. I was torn up on the inside but moved forward. I threw myself into online dating, like many of you, and determined to conquer this thing from an analytical perspective. I got better and better at it and had a few meaningful connections with women and even got laid a few times but nothing ever stuck long-term until Sept 2010.

At 25 I met my first real long-term girlfriend online who was finally good looking and sweet and bubbly. Everything went like clockwork and all of that time and energy I had put into finding someone who would accept me for me would finally be for something. She became my girlfriend and I couldn’t have been happier. It wasn’t until 2 months into our relationship and after 4 times we had sex did she confess something to me in the darkness of her room… her ex bf had given her herpes! WTF. Apparently I made a shocked face that burned into her mind to this day. I acted calm but got the hell out of there the next day. I got blood tested 3 times over the course of a year and researched it to death over and over. But here is my blue pill self. I stayed with her. She was perfect in every other way and I was so joyed to have a girl who cared for me that I stayed. But I cut off sex. I felt betrayed by this horrible person but understood where she was coming from. She was scared right to tell me?! Big mistake. I stayed with this girl that I loved for 3.5 years without intercourse… only fingering her and getting BJ’s. I was always too scared to have sex with her again. I even moved out of state with her and did a long distance thing for a year. The real kicker is that I found her journal and discovered she had also given chlamydia to some poor sap and something called moluscoulm contagiousoum. and wasn’t sorry about it whatsoever even blaming these men for her bs. She was also going behind my back to talk to her ex bf and some dude she met online years ago. She had 5 longterm relationships in 12 years and never could commit to any of them. She had 5 jobs in 4 years and moved 11 different times since college. She could not be trusted but alas I’m an idiot. I couldn’t fix her. My logical self thought out dumping her every single day to where I grew angry, sad and obsessive. I kicked a hole in my wall and even broke down my door once while I was angry at her. I could’t get myself to leave though. I knew I would be alone again. Eventually she grew tired of me not wanting to have sex with her. We were looking to settle down and I loved her so I gave in and had sex with her 5 more times with a condom. She dumped me after 3.5 years saying there was no passion in our relationship and only wanted to have sex in the moment without a condom. She even got p~~~ed at me for washing my dick off with a washcloth and anti-bacterial soap. She could always detect I was nervous while having sex and could see my shocked faced which was burned into her memory from the time she first told me about her condition. Alas, I never did get her condition and I’m grateful it ended when it did.

However, I was devastated. I lost 50 lbs and once again was alone. That was 2 years ago gents and am only now getting my life back on track. I’ve kept track of how many dates (at least 1) I’ve been on in my life and it is at 108 since I was the age of 16-30 years old. I got heavily back into Tinder, Coffee Meets Bagel, POF, Match, Hinge, Bumble etc… I can honestly say I’ve spent thousands of dollars, sent thousands upon thousands of emails and texts to these women and have been on the same dates over and over again. I have it down to a science now on what to say stories etc… It doesn’t matter. Women are horrible creatures. I’ve gotten laid a decent number of times and had some fun sexual experiences, had a few women fall in love with me and a whole lot of psychos. I’ve dated nice church girls, druggies, party chicks, career gals, nerds, ultra liberal feminists and outdoorsy women. They are all the same and I have yet to find another decent relationship since. They all want money, status and a powerful man who loves kittens but only has eyes for them. Some of my female friends have said they will hold out for only a man who is over 6’0″, makes over $100,000 and has a big c~~~. Meanwhile they all have emotional and mental issues up to wazoo and are only good for one thing in reality. They all cheat, gossip, cause drama and each one has f~~~ed between 30-90 men. Even some of my fatter female friends all ride the c~~~ carousel in droves too, And… each one is single except for a couple. I can’t wait for them to hit that wall.

I own my own small business now in addition to my full time job, dress well, am a homeowner, have great friends and travel a lot. I do random road trips to ghost towns, am into photography, paint, play the piano, play golf, brew my own beer, publish short stories and I just took up archery not too long ago. I’ve learned that I’m simply good enough for the modern woman. They all want something Mr. GQ and short and crippled isn’t on that list no matter how charming I can be for awhile. I’m not terribly bad looking just walk with a small limp.

A word of advice: A woman in her prime may date a confident man or even f~~~ them once or twice but they will never commit to a lesser man simply for his confidence.

So I’ve given up after 108 women I’ve dated since I was the age 16. I’m done. I can’t stomach another waste time or rejection. I don’t want to date fat women, lazy women or the plethora of single moms out there. I don’t want to get divorced or taken advantage of any longer. I’m simply tired now.

So this is why I’m here today. I’ve decided to live my life for myself and go mgtow. I hope to learn from you all and be a part of this community. I hate to quit anything in life and I really do love the company of a woman but I’m no longer going to try and push a round peg in a square hole. It just isn’t healthy. Since I’ve stopped dating I’ve remodeled my bathroom, began working out again and am eating right but the most wonderful change I’ve noticed is my stress and anxiety diminished greatly. Day by day I will improve and create the life that I want to live for myself.

Thanks Everyone For Suffering Through The Long Read

[Anonymous]

Won'tGetFooledAgain wrote:

Lets be honest, she is so excited about being able to finally get back on the c~~~ carousel and she is hoping it happens soon before she hits the wall for good.

I think the old geezer can’t wait to leave planet earth. He has likely seen too much of everything. His wife sleeping with other men after he is dead wouldn’t be that much different. She likely has been for a while now.

But she is 47. Need to have a lubricant handy.

Speaking of lubricant an ex enthusiastically produced a bottle with a condom. And it was nearly empty. Fml. Didn’t stop me emptying it out further.

C~~~ sockets are a blessing to mankind. Just don’t fall in love or marry one.

OK back to the topic at hand.

Gah-uhld deega it is. Agreed.

[007 (Reborn)Participant]

I feel bad for those guys. They don’t even realize they’ve entered a contract of degradation.

This chick at my workplace was showing off a picture of herself and her boyfriend the other day. It was a night time picture and they were covered in snow from a snowball fight. She had him in a chokehold. Her eyes were fixed on the camera and she was doing a duck face. He had the cheesiest smile like he was enjoying that s~~~.

One chick in the room commented, “I’m glad you finally have him under control. You know what to do next girl.” Then she pointed at her ring finger. I quietly left the room after that. That didn’t just sound like a joke to me. It. Was more like a set plan/scheme used to trap men that all females are aware of.

Refuse the photos
Refuse the dating
Refuse marriage
Refuse It all.

This isn’t a f~~~ing game!

Pursuing Happiness and Freedom.

[Anonymous]

MGTOWmonkey aka No More Fucks To Give wrote:

What gets me is how all of a sudden birth control pills no longer worked?

They tend not to work as well when she somehow forgets to take them. What a perfect female contraceptive!

This article p~~~es me off more than normal. My parents had me when my Father was 48 and my Mother was 43. I am against feticide, period. I don’t care what their excuses are. That child came into being for a purpose. They are failing the test right out of the starting gate. Step up to the plate and take responsibility for your actions. Cry me a f~~~ing river as their plans are destroyed. Plans are made to be destroyed.

I took care of my Mother during her final 18 months of failing health. I think my Father would have been very happy with that.

My parents appreciated my little obnoxious ass even though they were older.

Long story short: I rented my flat on airbnb and needed a friend to hand over the keys and clean the apartment. I told 2 people: My female friend (the only one I’ve had with no sex involved because she has shown to be there for me in multiple times and being sincere, although some times her woman issues p~~~ me off) and my male neighbor.

I told my male neighbor: Hey man can you look after my apartment, hand over the keys to guests and clean after they leave, I’ll give you $20. His answer: “Sure man, no problem”,then he came over and I explained him what to do in a few minutes and that was it.

Female friend, comes over. I asked her exactly the same thing. She tells me we need to sit down as there is something important to talk about and tells me “do not feel afraid”. In my mind I’m like “what the f~~~?”

Then she basically scolds me about being stingy and that 10 days ago a group of her friends invited me a drink and I didn’t invite them back (although I was planning to make a bbq and invite them to repay for their good gesture) and starts mentioning other situations where she supposedly invites me things without caring about the money and how I worried too much about money, blah, blah, blah, and her reasons for helping me being about friendship and not related to money, blah, blah blah.

Finally when the sermon is over I explain her what to do and when I mention giving her the $20 again she starts with another sermon about money and s~~~, until she finally shuts up and we go to a cafe and I pay just for her to not get on my friggin nerves about being stingy.

That’s the difference, men vs women. This is the reason why women can’t be successful in business: they are extremely complicated. If my male friends have to tell me I’m stingy I would have to be really stingy and then they would just mention it jokingly like once in a lifetime.

[alchemistParticipant]

Veniversum wrote:

Label it whatever you want, but I call it collaboration…and it is far superior to, and more beneficial than, competition.

healthy competition is important, the problem is when it becomes conflict. When people get vendettas and grudes. otherwise I agree and say;

COLLABORATION; F~~~ YES.

We need more male solidarity… when I finally get my life together I am going to offer a cheap removal service to any man within 100 miles of me who wants to leave his abusive partner in order to Go his Own Way. I’ll charge fuel cost + a small sum less than £50, probably closer to £10. Ideas for my future plans…

Collaborate brothers; Be the “solid” in solidarity.

How Feminism Leads to the Oppression of Women

From the desk of Fjordman on Thu, 2007-02-15 23:18

According to Heather MacDonald, the feminist takeover of Harvard is imminent. The university is about to name as its new president radical feminist Drew Gilpin Faust, following Lawrence Summers’s all-too-brief reign. Summers’s recklessly honest speculations about women in science strengthened the feminist hold on faculty hiring and promotions. The Task Force won a $50 million commitment to increase faculty “diversity efforts” at Harvard.

As University President, Lawrence Summers in 2005 gave a speech where he dared to suggest that innate differences between men and women could explain why men hold more seats as top scientists than women. This is a plausible thesis. According to Dr Paul Irwing at Manchester University, there are twice as many men with an IQ of 120-plus as there are women, and 30 times as many with an IQ of 170-plus. There are other studies that indicate similar, disproportionate numbers of men among those with extremely high intelligence.

Besides, even though Summers may have been wrong, it is dangerous to embark on a road where important issues are not debated at all. One of the hallmarks of Western civilization has been our thirst for asking questions about everything. Political Correctness is thus anti-Western both in its form and in its intent. It should be noted that in this case, feminists formed the vanguard of PC, the same ideology that has blinded our universities to the Islamic threat.

It makes it even worse when we know that other feminists in academia assert that the veil, or even the burka, represents “an alternative feminism.” Dr. Wairimu Njambi is an Assistant Professor of “Women’s Studies” at the Florida Atlantic University. Much of her scholarship is dedicated to advancing the notion that the cruel practice of female genital mutilation (FGM) is actually a triumph for Feminism and that it is hateful to suggest otherwise. According to Njambi “anti-FGM discourse perpetuates a colonialist assumption by universalizing a particular western image of a ‘normal’ body and sexuality.”

Harvard university recently received a $20 million donationfrom Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal bin Abdul Aziz Al-Saud, a member of the Saudi Royal Family, to finance Islamic studies. This will no doubt be used to influence the curriculum to make it friendlier and less “Islamophobic.” Senior Western institutions for higher education such as Harvard are thus simultaneously serving as outlets for Saudi Islamic propaganda and for left-wing radical feminists. This may on the surface look like quite a paradox, but in different ways both groups discredit traditional Western culture by highlighting its “history of oppression and injustice,” and they both stifle ideological dissent and suppress criticism of their holy doctrines. Perhaps feminists failed to listen to fellow Harvard Professor Charles Fried, who has warned that “The greatest enemy of liberty has always been some vision of the good.”

Feminism has hurt us by encouraging public accept for intellectual hypocrisy, which later paved the way for Islamic infiltration. The official mantra is that men and women are not just equal but identical, but at the same time that women are also somehow superior. Both of these claims cannot, logically speaking, be true at the same time, yet both are being made simultaneously. This gross double standard closely mirrors that of Multiculturalism, where all cultures are equal but Western culture is inferior and evil.

This is a technique labelled Repressive Tolerance by the cultural Marxist Herbert Marcuse in 1965. Briefly speaking, those who are deemed to belong to “dominant” groups of society should have their freedom of speech suppressed by progressives and radicals, and simply be denied access to discussion forums, in order to rectify the “institutional oppression” in society. Marcuse’s ideas had a huge impact in the 1960s and 70s. He also advocated free sex without any constraints as a method of freeing people from religious morality.

Prof. Bernard Lewis warned in The Jerusalem Post that Islam could soon be the dominant force in a Europe “Europeans are losing their own self-confidence,” he said. “They have no respect for their own culture” and have “surrendered” on every issue with regard to Islam in a mood of “self-abasement and political correctness.” Although Mr. Lewis did not say so, this is to a significant extent the result of decades of demonization by left-wing academics, including radical feminists. The goal of radical feminism was never about equality between the sexes, it was about the destruction of the nuclear family and of the power structures of society in general.

As Ellen Willis, self-proclaimed democratic socialist and founder of Redstockings, a radical feminist group from 1969,stated to left-wing The Nation in 1981: “Feminism is not just an issue or a group of issues, it is the cutting edge of a revolution in cultural and moral values. […] The objective of every feminist reform, from legal abortion […] to child-care programs, is to undermine traditional family values.” Feminist icon Simone de Beauvoir stated that “no woman should be authorized to stay at home to raise her children […] because if there is such a choice, too many women will make that one.”

Well, after two generations of Second Wave Feminism, Ms. Willis and Ms. Beauvoir have had their way: The West has skyrocketing divorce rates and plummeting birth rates, leading to a cultural and demographic vacuum that makes us vulnerable to a take-over by… Islam. And feminists still aren’t satisfied.

Toy researcher Anders Nelson at Sweden’s Royal Institute of Technology has warned that toys have become increasingly gender-segregated over the past fifteen years: “People often explain [their toy purchases] by saying that boys and girls want different things. But in order for children to be able to reflect on [the toys] they receive, adults have to open their eyes to [inherent gender] structures. To children, these [gender] roles are more unquestioned and instinctual.” Mr. Nelson encouraged parents to give more gender neutral Christmas presents. In other words, no Barbie dolls for girls and no cars for boys. This is the result of a culture destroyed by Political Correctness.

Swedish Marxist politician Gudrun Schyman has suggesteda bill that would collectively tax Swedish men for violence against women. In a 2002 speech, the same Schyman famously posited that Swedish men were just like the Islamic Taliban regime in Afghanistan. A male columnist in national newspaper Aftonbladet responded by saying that Schyman was right: All men are like the Taliban.

Misandry, the hatred of men, isn’t necessarily less prevalent than misogyny, the hatred of women. The difference is that the former is much more socially acceptable.

When young politician Kjetil Vevle showed up for a meetingplanning the demonstrations at that year’s protests at the International Women’s Day on 8 March in the city of Bergen, Norway, he was told that men didn’t have voting rights at the meeting even though they were passionate feminists. The leaders didn’t think there was any cause for complaints, as the men had generously been awarded the right to voice their opinion, just not the right to make decisions.

Although countries such as Norway and Sweden like to portray themselves as havens of gender equality, I have heard visitors comment that the sexes are probably further apart here than anywhere else in the world. Radical feminism has bred suspicion and hostility, not cooperation. And it has no in any way eradicated the basic sexual attraction between feminine women and masculine men. If people do not find this in their own country, they travel to another country to find it, which is now easier than ever. A striking number of Scandinavian men find their wives in East Asia, Latin America or other nations with a more traditional view of femininity, and a number of women find partners from more conservative countries, too. Not everyone, of course, but the trend is unmistakable. Scandinavians celebrate “gender equality” and travel to the other side of the world to find somebody actually worth marrying.

Norway and Sweden are countries with extremely high divorce rates. Boys grow up in an atmosphere where masculinity is demonized, attend a school system where they are viewed as deficient girls and are told by the media that men are obsolete and will soon be rendered extinct anyway.

A feminist culture will eventually end up being squashed, because the men have either become too demoralized and weakened to protect their women, or because they have become so fed-up with incessant ridicule that they just don’t care anymore. If Western men are pigs and “just like the Taliban” no matter what we do, why bother? Western women will then be squashed by more aggressive men from other cultures, which is exactly what is happening in Western Europe now. The irony is that when women launched the Second Wave of Feminism in the 1960s and 70s, they were reasonably safe and, in my view, not very oppressed. When the long-term effects of feminism finally set in, Western women may very well end up being genuinely oppressed under the boot of Islam. Radical feminism thus leads to oppression of women.

I wonder whether Virginia Wolf saw this coming. Maybe if she were alive today, she would hail the Islamic veil as an “alternative road to feminism” and write a book called A Burka of One’s Own. With some luck, it might even have earned her a Diversity Scholarship at Harvard.

Five-time broken heart here…

I’m glad to see a forum for men only, for MGTOW only. Honestly, I’m not 100% sure if I’m MGTOW by anyone else’s definition. I do plan to use prostitutes if the need ever gets to be so strong. So far (1-1/2 years on my own) hentai and Rosie have served my needs just fine. I guess it comes down to the definition of “necessary” in “wanting to have no dealings with women unless necessary”. The names below have been changed to protect the guilty.

First broken heart: Tammy Saint John agreed to go out with me on a date when I was 14. I guess I was too nerdy for her because when I told my “friends” (who were really just trailer trash kids) about my excitement at going to a movie with her, they went and ribbed her for it so hard that she pulled out. I should have known right then, but my hormones were too strong for my brain. I obsessed angrily over her for some 4-5 months, then forgot about her completely. Today, she’s a used-up crack whore (who I am amazed is still alive). SOOO glad I didn’t “win” that prize.

Second: Emanuelle Cummings and I became good friends in high school, and spent a lot of our spare time together after I graduated (she dropped out). She has a caring softness to her that I still admire, and we’re still friends today. But back then, she was always dating bad boys who treated her like s~~~, while I worshiped the ground she walked on. She would never go out with me, but would use me as her emotional tampon whenever things went south with her biker-boy-du-jour (though she hasn’t done that for many years, since I took away that privilege in the early 90s). I obsessed over her for YEARS, even while in relationships with other women. Best thing I can say is at least she found a guy who has the bad boy look she loves, but is actually a decent, upstanding, responsible man. They are perhaps the most functional couple I know.

Third broken heart: Zhang Qi, my college sweetheart, flatly refused to share her inner emotional life with me, when I naively demanded that she be more open with herself. We had been going out for a year or so, and I liked her a lot, but was never able to get close enough to satisfy me. I took her rebuff as a personal slight, when I shouldn’t have. I didn’t realize at the time (and she didn’t realize I didn’t know) that Chinese culture is gender-segregated to a large degree. Being lovers in China is a lot less of a whole-person investment than the idealized romance of the West. After researching the matter, I’ve concluded that they know better how to maintain personal space than Westerners. Live and learn I guess.

Fourth: Mikal Dubois and I had reciprocal secret crushes while we were in college, and after college, while I was on Army leave from Korea, we met up and it came out. We got into a hot, fast, lusty relationship that grew further when we both ended up teaching English in Seoul, Korea after I left the military. I proposed and she accepted, and I spent some $800 a month on phone bills talking to her every other night. When I made my way back to her hometown, it turned out she hadn’t even told her family that we were engaged. What’s more, she admitted to cheating on me. At least she had the decency to tell me the sex was better with me. She is now a used-up, fat matron. Again, SOO glad I didn’t win that prize.

Fifth: Rose O’Reilly was a single mom, but with (apparently) a heart of gold, who seemingly had simply had bad judgment in her previous relationships. 3 kids with 3 different men should have been enough to warn me. The sex was scarily good, and she only demanded every weekend of my full attention (since she is Canadian), so I was on cloud 9 for a while. But as I got close to her kids, her jailbird brother (who had just gotten out of prison) started planting pedo suspicions in her about me, behind my back. Every show of affection towards the kids on my part became “creepy”, and she finally gave me the boot when she misheard something I said. She even got the police involved who found zero evidence of any wrongdoing on my part. I mean, they even combed my laptop for CP. This was the worst heart-ripper of all, because her little daughter had become the light of my life. Months later (I was such a sucker) we were talking about it on the phone and she said what she thought I had meant, and I explained to her that was not the case. She said “You made me believe something that wasn’t true!” and that was the last time we talked. I mean, if someone you loved said to you, “I murdered my parents”, you would ask them what they meant by that, right? You wouldn’t just assume that they were a murderer and get them out of your life. You would assume at first that they meant it metaphorically, if at all, and felt guilty for borrowing the station wagon that day and they drove the coupe and got killed in a rear-ender… something like that… I got no such chance to explain myself until months later, long after the relationship was dead. I don’t know where she is now, and somehow I feel better not knowing.

There have been a couple of minor heartbreaks since then (2009) but I’ll never let another woman get that close to me, and truly have no interest in engaging them, though I do page through POF or OKC periodically just so i can see “what I’m missing out on”. It always makes me happy to be a Man Going My Own Way, at last.

"All your children are poor, unfortunate victims of systems beyond their control... A plague upon your ignorance to the great despair of your ugly life!" -Frank Zappa

[Cipher HighwindParticipant]

Shaming language is used by females to keep men on the plantation. It is by no means solely or even primarily a SJW tactic.

I have no regard for his opinion because he has proven himself to be a c~~~y piece of s~~~ who is denigrating other men for going their own way. It is a shame his mother did not flush him, I sure as hell would have. Last I checked, this is a site for men going their own way, not for turds like Hotnoob.

Finally, I expressed my opinion as a man. If you can’t tolerate differing opinions maybe you need to find a cozy echo chamber to live in.

OldBill wrote:

Cipher Highwind wrote:

… your post denigrates a significant percentage of the population with shaming language. Either edit and wipe your c~~~y post with its c~~~y shaming language, or an apology should be appended immediately.

Jesus H. Titty F~~~ing Christ… If this wasn’t MGTOW.com I would have thought a feminist SJW wrote that.

“Denigrate a significant percentage”? “Shaming language”? That s~~~ is right out of the SJW 101 playbook. Hell, you even double down by “demanding” a retraction and apology. It’s enough to make one’s flesh crawl.

Hotnoob expressed his opinion as a man. If you can’t tolerate differing opinions maybe you need to find a cozy echo chamber to live in.

MGHOW Paladin wrote:

1.Avoid long term relations~~~s and marriages. NEVER stick your dick in single moms. NEVER stick your dick in college girls. Doing this will lead into long term relations~~~s and marriages. It’ll also lead to false rape accusations. In some cases, it will also lead to common law marriage.

2.NEVER engage with feminists. RUN LIKE THEY’RE THE PLAGUE. If you have a feminist who’s your boss, convince them you’re gay or transgendered. Or both.

3.NEVER let your girlfriend move in with you. If you have to, jerk off before making serious decisions like this. Letting women move in with you will only get you jail time eventually one way or another.

4.Avoid white knights. Especially if they’re stronger/bigger than you. Just shut up and walk away. Not worth getting into a fight and risking jail time.

5.NEVER be alone with children. Always have a witness. Preferably a couple. If not a couple, preferably a well-known white knight among your family/friends. Or better yet, put up nanny cams in your place. Just to avoid false accusations of any kind including domestic.

6.NEVER challenge any woman on whatever they say. Unless they think you’re gay or transgendered, doing this could land you in big trouble. Especially if you work on campus/non-profit/government sectors. Remember the stupid mansplaining s~~~? Yeah, in a few years’ time I don’t doubt that a straight guy could go to jail for this stupid s~~~.

7.NEVER let women cloud your judgement. Before making any big decisions regarding women, jerk off. Don’t even get a hooker. Just jerk off beforehand. This will save you a lot of headaches down the road. And probably even money as well.

8.Unless you plan on having sex with women, or unless they’re you’re family members, TRY YOUR BEST TO AVOID WOMEN AT ALL COSTS. NEVER be alone with women unless you know you can have video evidence of the encounter.

9.Which brings us to #9. If you have to stick your dick in crazy, FILM IT. The penalties to filming sex without a woman’s permission is far less than getting accused of rape. MAKE BACKUPS EVERY TIME YOU STICK YOUR DICK IN CRAZY. NEVER LOSE ANY ONE OF THEM. IF YOU HAVE TO, BUY A SERVER FOR THIS VERY PURPOSE.

10. And finally, ALWAYS follow your ambitions. Don’t let society, the government, family, or women get in your way. Remember, this is your life. Not anyone else’s. If you’re miserable because you listened to someone else, it’s your own damned fault.

Hope this helps all the new MGTOWs out there as well as the older ones. I put this together as sort of a satire, but it’s very good advice nonetheless.

[Anonymous]

17, Saskatchewan Canada.
Cut out all tv a couple of years ago, just too boring all the time. Still love video games though. MGTOW cause women my age are anti-funny, whining, vapid individuals. Discovered MGTOW while watching anti-feminist videos. I always thought that men and women were equal and was confused when I kept hearing about how disadvantaged women were when the girls in school did just fine. Now I know that the education system is f~~~ed up and doesn’t really teach much of any value. Planning on getting a job or entering the trades as soon as high school is over. MGTOW helped me discover my purpose and I’m excited to be free of the education system and living my own life!

Women are disadvantaged because they are physically and mentally inferior to men. Even with the entire system rigged in their favor every step of the way, they still f~~~ up and fail most of the time.

That’s why you constantly see the cognitive dissonance. They claim society disadvantages them, but it’s God and Nature they have a huge problem with. But they don’t want to yell that out directly, because even they know how stupid that looks, and that it would probably cause men to knock them down to where they need to be, and had to be for society to function.

It must truly suck to be an aware female. That’s probably why so many of them have nervous breakdowns as they get older. They finally realize that everything has been rigged in their favor and they just absolutely can not compete. It probably makes it all the worse that many of them truly did think they were superior to men all those years, but now wake up to the realization of not just not being superior, not even being equal, but being an absolute inferior. Everything they built their self worth on was a lie and it comes crashing down, and they’re also too old to even have children or rely on their looks. A failure on every level, absolutely colossal.

Most men realize by their late teens, mid-20s at the latest that they are not special and that everyone else is just as smart and works just as hard. Most men realize nobody actually truly cares about them. So we deal with it, and then build value from within, or shrug off society in general. Basically we win.

I’ve found what I believe for now to be my life’s philosophy, the frame of mind that I live my life by. I finalized it after my last exam for the semester a couple of weeks ago. I was sitting in the University bar with some people from my cohort. The topic of what we planned for after we completed our degrees in 3 years came up. The resident feminist of the group made some silly little statement of “We’ll end up in the same place, but you guys will get paid more’. I disregarded the idea of debating the position, as I prefer to enjoy positive banter while drinking rum. So I replied “I’m going for a private practice in social work anyway, so if I get paid more than you it’ll be because I’ll get more clients paying me”. This girl, for some reason said “You can’t do that, it’s impossible and expensive and you’ll get burnt out”. I replied “Well it’s what I wanna do, so watch me do it, I’m going to get there, no matter how long the road goes” Needless to say, she wasn’t convinced, but I don’t care about that. This is where I realized how I needed to live, to maintain an attitude of being realist, but also holding a ruthless determination to achieve goals. I don’t call them dreams any more, because dreams are easier to say “That’s impossible, so f~~~ it” When I call something a goal I say “I’ll achieve it, and when I do, You’re going to know about it” And so, that is the new mindset I put myself in, and I wanted to share it with you and ask if you have similar philosophy. So Gentlemen, let’s begin

Get the Fuck Up, Brush yourself off, and stand against the current

[KeymasterKeymaster]

@ZeroF~~~s….. we have the same family I think. Maybe even the same mother? Understand you perfectly.

My mother got away with “belittling” my Father. “HA! You’re useless in the kitchen”. That sort of thing. I have even told her directly “you can drive a man to drink”. He’s been gone for +10 years , but since my brother is married…. I’m the target.

Last time I flew for the Holidays, there was nobody to meet me at the airport. No big deal. I didn’t expect there to be anyone there at 11PM on a weekday, so I made my way in a cab. THE MOMENT I WALKED IN THE DOOR , she’s says “where’s your brother?”. I said what do you mean? I took a cab. She f~~~ing freaks out on me “YOUR BROTHER DROVE TO PICK YOU UP!!!!”

“Oh. Well he didn’t email or call to tell me that. I just…… made my own way. Like any adult would. So why are you giving me s~~~? I just got here and you’re treating me like I did something wrong. Don’t make me regret coming. I could be in Hawaii instead.”

I was there for 1 minute, and in their minds I already f~~~ed up – the minute I stepped off the plane.. The next day there was all this tension. I finally told them not to sucker me into their drama. You will not treat me like I f~~~ed up because I took a $75 cab and made my own way from the airport. That’s what you should EXPECT me to do. Not to wait around for a ghost. That would be stupid and presumptuous.

I found myself explaining this s~~~ to them.

The town my mother lives in is the only place in the world – in the world – where I dry my hands with the wrong towel. Drink from the wrong glass. Take a cab when I should read minds and wait for a ghost to give me a lift.

Now she has amnesia “have you made any travel pans for Christmas yet?”

And then I gave it to her straight. “No”. I’m going to drink egg nog out of the WRONG glass this year.

Less egg. More nog.

007 (Reborn) wrote:

Do you think I’m delusional, arrogant, or self-centered?

No. You’re not. You didn’t choose your family. Personally, I can’t stand doing ANYTHING out of sense of obligation – or because I will be resented if I don’t do it. That’s the wrong reason to do it. My time and attention is a gift, and if it’s not seen that way ( as a +1), then they can’t have it. A forced romantic outpouring on Valentine’s Day – just because it says Feb 14th on the calendar – puts a bad taste in my mouth too. So does calling “to check in”.

I call when I WANT to. And not because I “should”.

Last week my Mom was expecting a call on Sunday evening – to “check in”. I don’t do that s~~~. I called on Saturday morning instead and she was so pleasantly surprised. That’s the way I prefer it.

They are expecting you to visit for the Holidays. That means it’s not a +1. When you are made to “feel bad” for not doing something, it means……. if you do it, you’re just at ZERO. They will treat you that way too. So what’s the point in doing it? It’s not delusion, arrogance, or being self-centered because it doesn’t make any SENSE to do something out of obligation or resent. Just you can actually justify it. Who would even WANT you to do something against your will?

You do it because it’s a gift. And if you’re not treated that way, then there is no point in doing it.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[TimexParticipant]

Hey guys, I know it’s been a while (3+ months to be exact), but I felt like I needed time to digest everything, let things play out, and live a few months alone without too much MGTOW influence….

I had an epiphany over the weekend that I think you’ll all enjoy….

It was Saturday night, I had worked most of the day and was enjoying a jack and coke while watching some of the late football games. My wife was at one of her client’s Christmas party and called me on her way home. She was a wreck. Telling me she’s tired of me not being there for events like that, bitching about how she doesn’t trust my career and thinks I’ll change courses when I find out I’m not happy with my decisions, reiterated how my choices are delaying the time it will take for us to have kids….blah blah blah.

After I sat back and answered with several “okay…uh huh….yup….sure” type answers, we got off the phone, she was waaayyyyy worked up. But, me on the other hand, I wasn’t p~~~ed off one bit. It was the weirdest feeling. I almost had a sense of relief, like she had just made my decision so crystal clear for me. She drove home the proverbial final nail in the coffin with a 60 f~~~ing pound sledge hammer. I almost became excited!

Fast forward to today, I talk to her on my way home from work, and she decides to flip the script with the “yeah….ok….” blah blah type responses to me, as I’m trying to initiate conversation. I knew something was bothering her, and I didn’t want to ask because I knew it would stir up a s~~~ storm, so I didn’t push it any further. We hung up about as expected, she was p~~~ed about something and I never got to the bottom of it. Oh well. She continued to text me “I love you” and “I’m proud of you” and such for a couple hours up until a few minutes ago. Yeah….whatever you say….

I just took a shower to end my day, and I spent about 20 minutes just standing there with full clarity (no homo..). The thought that really sunk in to me, which is something that would have REALLY p~~~ed me the hell off up until about 4-5 months ago, was “what if she’s with somebody else right now”. At this point, I can honestly say I could give a s~~~ less if she’s sleeping with somebody else or even in a relations~~~ with somebody else at this point. After 3 months of being my own man, I realize that my freedom is so f~~~ing precious that I wouldn’t want to trade it in for anything, or anyone (especially during football season….helllllll NO!!!)

During this time, I’ve also been researching how to go about divorcing in my state. It seems that in order to go the uncontested route, which is by far the easiest, least expensive, and far less of a pain in the ass for all parties involved, we need to have not been living together for the last 6 months to move forward. I’m now at 3 months and some change. The end of January is the golden time my friends!!!!

Until then, I’m going to have to find a way to deal with her bitching and complaining, but that ever-growing light at the end of the tunnel is more than enough for me to suck it up and make this plan come to fruition.

Side note: I’m going home for a week over the holidays. The plane tickets and vacation time were put in well in advance. Oh well. I’ve already invited my parents to town for a majority of it, and the wife is actually planning on having a minor surgery done while I’m home, which should decrease the time interacting for a few days at least. MORE VICODIN HONEY????

I feel like I’m in a really great place guys. While I may not be as hardcore MGTOW as a few of you, I definitely feel the necessity of being my own person, with my own agenda, goals, needs, wants, etc. I know what I want, I want this so badly right now, and nothing is going to stop me.

Thank you all again for your input and advice. I’ll stick around and contribute more on the forums now that I have a plan in place and can see the light.

Cheers!

[Anonymous]

Oh Jesus, what a mangina. He writes that women are smarter than us and live longer.

It’s amazing though to even see the media admit there might be a problem. Society is designed to beat men down and isolate us. When we finally embrace it and ghost, suddenly it’s a problem and then want to force us back onto the plantations. Or maybe hunt us down and force us into slavery/war. I’m sure it’s not for altruistic reasons.

I have few friends and I rarely ever see them. Most are married or in their own worlds. Nobody cares about men, especially unmarried men. Society wants us to go away, and we did, now society is whining because it’s apparently not so easy to keep things running with just women and manginas.

[tripvanParticipant]

Well that was a hoot! Yeah, as I had not read the books I had no idea as to how much of what I saw was actually in there. There were elements there that were clearly fem-stamped, like how so many of the military leaders were female, as the leader of the rebellion, and there is this scene where the rebels are planning an attack and 1) the female military leaders take the initiative in planning, before 2) the men timidly pipe up with their wild wacky ideas. And the first military to leader to die? A black guy. They spoiled the twist too, revealing it painfully early. Best scene was watching Katniss arrow some bitch (not to ruin the story here), I pumped my fist at that haha.

Most fem. moment was this bizzare scene right at the end. Katniss is at home finally and starts screaming at her house cat – which looked animatronic or CG or something. Also, the cat had the most f~~~ed up fur, looked like it hadn´t had a bath in years (which I thought cat´s don´t need because they groom themselves) but I digress – any normal looking cat would have taken away from the ´effect´ that follows.

She then started throwing s~~~ at this cat. But the cat just stayed there, staring at her, so she started crying. Then she picked it up and cried even harder into it´s mangy fur like a mop. Ah, women just love those cats, especially the ones that allow themselves to be used as a handkerchief and don´t run away when s~~~´s thrown at them from some human they haven´t seen in years.

chir wrote:

Not worth the 14.00 plus to watch. Only movie I have recently seen was The Martian….
…Read the book. Better than the movie.

Yup, I found a place close walking distance to me that I can pay less than 7 to watch.

Martian was a great book! Glad I hadn´t seen the Martian film, but who knows maybe I will look for a copy just for kicks.