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Sup brothers,
Its that time of the year again! The season to rejoice and be thankful for the fact that you have a family, a roof over your head, and food in your belly. You get to spent your 4 day weekend with people you would never hang out with if they weren’t related to you. Awesome!
Want to know what I’m thankful for? The redpill that I accidentally swallowed a few months ago on my my 22nd birthday. I’m still choking on that f~~~ing thing, but I know that it is good for me even though I’ve gauged multiple times while forcing it down.
This red pill has not only opened my eyes to how awful women are, it has caused me to question other things as well. Like why I spent time with my family multiple times a year. I don’t like my siblings. I don’t like their partners, and I only vaguely like my mother. She birthed me, but damn she is manipulative. The only reason why I go to these events is because I feel obligated. On the inside I’d rather not go, 100%. No question about it. F~~~ Birthdays, f~~~ X-mas, an f~~~ Thanksgiving.
I’m considering calling my mother and telling her that I’m not going to Thanksgiving because I don’t want to. The people there suck. They are unsupportive, jealous, and passive aggressive. Why purposefully expose myself to that nonsense? My lingering bluepill mentality has thought of multiple excuses to tell her. I could say that I can’t get off work, or that I’m sick. Lying or going anyway are both poor options. If I tell the truth, it will hurt her, and possibly my relatives, but I don’t care anymore. I’d rather die as a truth teller than to live as a coward.
I’m been radically changing every day since my perspective has shifted. I believe that I’m a pushover that is morphing into a man who only does things that he wants to do.
So brothers. Do you think I’m delusional, arrogant, or self-centered? Are you celebrating Thanksgiving? Why? I’ll appreciate seeing your thoughts.
Pursuing Happiness and Freedom.
Sick….explosive diarea…
And vomiting.Perfect for the holidays.
I feel you bro. I’m just sick of using excuses and little white lies. If only full transparency was easy to get away with…
Pursuing Happiness and Freedom.
Can you tell the truth, but not the whole truth, to soften the blow for Mom? Something like, “Mom, I’m going through some personal stuff right now, so I’m gonna pass on Thanksgiving while I work it out. Thanks, but no I don’t want to talk about it. Hi to everyone from me.”
You’re going to have to deal with it or them at Christmas, too, so you need to get your script ready. Next year, or the year after, you might have less Red Pill Rage, and you’ll have a clearer strategy and a calmer mind for dealing with your peeps.
This must be what coming out is like for gay people. Hahaha, what if you take my advice, and it makes them all think you’re gay?
Safety rules: All guns are loaded. All knives are sharp. All stoves are hot. All women are like that.
The only reason why I go to these events is because I feel obligated. On the inside I’d rather not go, 100%. No question about it. F~~~ Birthdays, f~~~ X-mas, an f~~~ Thanksgiving.
If you really do not want to go, then simply do not go. Don’t cause yourself drama over it, just tell them you are not going, be polite and give them sufficient notice.
Always honor and put yourself first, you will feel so much better when you live this way, it’s not about being selfish, it’s about honoring yourself.
Don’t spend any time with toxic people, eliminate them even if they are a related. .
Be careful though, isolating yourself can be a product of your psychological state, and may not be the best thing for you. Study up on this and get to know yourself.
Because in order to be able to think, you have to risk being offensive.
I’m about the same age as you (I’m 24), but my family is fine…. But I still have to put up with their blue pill garbage. Id say to just deal with it since there arnt that many holidays. Turn it into a game if you have. When I realized I was an atheist in high school, my family was still taking me to church every Sunday. Rather than complaining, I decided to view the other church members as subjects. I thought of them like an ancient civilization and I was like an archaogist. What’s interesting is some of these observations helped form my red pill world view since those church goers were some of the worst manginas I have ever known. I am a self centered guy too, but I realize there is value in family. Consider putting up with it using something like I did.
No, f~~~ YOU ! ..ah ..had to do it ! ..I think it’s f~~~ the rituals of being with people who really don’t understand you. .I bailed out of all that a few years ago. .now I have my own thanksgiving and only on my own terms. .mgtow thanksgiving. .etc..so f~~~ THEM. .not the holidays. .
No, f~~~ YOU ! ..ah ..had to do it ! ..I think it’s f~~~ the rituals of being with people who really don’t understand you. .I bailed out of all that a few years ago. .now I have my own thanksgiving and only on my own terms. .mgtow thanksgiving. .etc..so f~~~ THEM. .not the holidays. .
Now that’s what I’m talkin ’bout!
Pursuing Happiness and Freedom.
Don’t consider it, do it.
I already told my mom I’m not going for the reason you mentioned: People you wouldn’t hang out if you weren’t related to them.
Selfish? That would be mom’s for expecting you to do s~~~ you hate. I told my mom that s~~~ was over the day I left for the Marine Corps when I was 18.
Stay home. Watch the parade and Miracle on 34th Street. Have some good food and liquor and enjoy the peace and quiet.
Fuck this planet.It’s about eating good food, I don’t care about the rest. I avoid the family members I don’t want to be around.
I’d eat Thanksgiving type meals every day if it wasn’t a guaranteed way to get fat quick.
The Children of Doom... Doom's Children. They told my lord the way to the Mountain of Power. They told him to throw down his sword and return to the Earth... Ha! Time enough for the Earth in the grave.I actually enjoy my family. That makes me an odd duck indeed. With that in mind, I show up for a few hours and depart — maybe pitch in with some of the cleanup, if the queen of the kitchens will allow me.
I don’t camp there for days. All pleasures are best done in moderation. Like Ben Franklin said: “Fish and visitors stink after three days.”
Edit: I do consider family gatherings a command performance. However, that does not apply to gatherings of friends. Experience, some of it downright nasty, has taught me to politely decline invitations into other people’s family gatherings.
“Oh, you’re all alone this [holiday name]! Why don’t you come over to our place?”
Don’t do it! Trust me. Just say, “I have other plans.” You are telling the truth (always a wise policy) and there’s nothing for them to argue with.
“No thank you,” is a complete sentence in the English language.
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Anonymous11F~~~ Birthdays, f~~~ X-mas, an f~~~ Thanksgiving.
My entire immediate family has this attitude about holidays thanks to our Mother. It’s f~~~ing great. Nobody cares if you show up or not just let them know in advance so they can plan. I’m not doing Thanksgiving this year. I don’t get many days off so It’s all about me.
I have some friends where everyone in the family is expected to buy everyone a gift. Over the years, I influenced one friend into my way. He then converted his family. They are much happier as a result.
You might want to consider going to placate your mom, and get a meal.
Go with the attitude of a RP observer, have a detached, humorous, ZFG attitude, and observe the s~~~ tests and attempts to break your frame. Don’t let em get to you, let the s~~~ roll off you, and just observe the BP mentality.
It could be fun, watching them try and goad a reaction from you, while you just smile with a ZFG knowing smile. Stay for a bit, thank your mom for a nice dinner, and then gtfo, saying you have plans and need to go. Don’t tell em know what you have planned, let them fill in the details in their own mind, I.e let their hamsters spin baby!
To those with toxic families, I sympathize.
I must be one of the few “lucky ones” that enjoys spending Thanksgiving with my family.
Perhaps it’s because I only see most of my family once or twice a year…I used to think I was sad being alone on holidays, but now I feel blessed – observing sheeple storming freeways and malls, spending money on useless garbage – and me? watching it from a distance and enjoying my worry-free holidays with a grin on my face
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Mate, just call them and say that you will not go.
If they ask why, just tell them “I don’t want to.”
You obviously care for your mom, since that you are still thinking that you don’t want to hurt her feelings.
I don’t go to many of my family gatherings. Not even birthdays. I just go to SOME birthdays (of the people that really cared about me) and that is it. Zero f~~~s given.
When they call me and ask what I will do and where I will be on holydays, like Christmas or New Years Eve, I just say “On MY home, ALONE.” and that is it. Some of them don’t even bother to ask anymore.
The best holydays I have are alone.
I do some steaks (the churrasco… I am quite good in it), buy some craft beers, and just enjoy myself.
The best I had was a Christmas that I spent alone, in a f~~~ing huge farm, cooking, horse-riding, taking care of some animals, hunting, fishing and hiking. The peace and quiet was all that I needed.
"Young was I once, I walked alone, and bewildered seemed in the way; then I found me another and rich I thought me, for man is the joy of man." Odin, Hàvamàl, stanza 47.
So brothers. Do you think I’m delusional, arrogant, or self-centered? Are you celebrating Thanksgiving? Why? I’ll appreciate seeing your thoughts.
You have a lot of family issues to be honest. I enjoy Thanksgiving because I get to see my kin. They aren’t feminist so I do enjoy their company.
If you don’t want to go then don’t go your own way.
A MGTOW is a man who is not a woman's bitch!
@ZeroF~~~s….. we have the same family I think. Maybe even the same mother? Understand you perfectly.
My mother got away with “belittling” my Father. “HA! You’re useless in the kitchen”. That sort of thing. I have even told her directly “you can drive a man to drink”. He’s been gone for +10 years , but since my brother is married…. I’m the target.
Last time I flew for the Holidays, there was nobody to meet me at the airport. No big deal. I didn’t expect there to be anyone there at 11PM on a weekday, so I made my way in a cab. THE MOMENT I WALKED IN THE DOOR , she’s says “where’s your brother?”. I said what do you mean? I took a cab. She f~~~ing freaks out on me “YOUR BROTHER DROVE TO PICK YOU UP!!!!”
“Oh. Well he didn’t email or call to tell me that. I just…… made my own way. Like any adult would. So why are you giving me s~~~? I just got here and you’re treating me like I did something wrong. Don’t make me regret coming. I could be in Hawaii instead.”
I was there for 1 minute, and in their minds I already f~~~ed up – the minute I stepped off the plane.. The next day there was all this tension. I finally told them not to sucker me into their drama. You will not treat me like I f~~~ed up because I took a $75 cab and made my own way from the airport. That’s what you should EXPECT me to do. Not to wait around for a ghost. That would be stupid and presumptuous.
I found myself explaining this s~~~ to them.
The town my mother lives in is the only place in the world – in the world – where I dry my hands with the wrong towel. Drink from the wrong glass. Take a cab when I should read minds and wait for a ghost to give me a lift.
Now she has amnesia “have you made any travel pans for Christmas yet?”
And then I gave it to her straight. “No”. I’m going to drink egg nog out of the WRONG glass this year.
Less egg. More nog.
Do you think I’m delusional, arrogant, or self-centered?
No. You’re not. You didn’t choose your family. Personally, I can’t stand doing ANYTHING out of sense of obligation – or because I will be resented if I don’t do it. That’s the wrong reason to do it. My time and attention is a gift, and if it’s not seen that way ( as a +1), then they can’t have it. A forced romantic outpouring on Valentine’s Day – just because it says Feb 14th on the calendar – puts a bad taste in my mouth too. So does calling “to check in”.
I call when I WANT to. And not because I “should”.
Last week my Mom was expecting a call on Sunday evening – to “check in”. I don’t do that s~~~. I called on Saturday morning instead and she was so pleasantly surprised. That’s the way I prefer it.
They are expecting you to visit for the Holidays. That means it’s not a +1. When you are made to “feel bad” for not doing something, it means……. if you do it, you’re just at ZERO. They will treat you that way too. So what’s the point in doing it? It’s not delusion, arrogance, or being self-centered because it doesn’t make any SENSE to do something out of obligation or resent. Just you can actually justify it. Who would even WANT you to do something against your will?
You do it because it’s a gift. And if you’re not treated that way, then there is no point in doing it.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.You might want to consider going to placate your mom, and get a meal.
Go with the attitude of a RP observer, have a detached, humorous, ZFG attitude, and observe the s~~~ tests and attempts to break your frame. Don’t let em get to you, let the s~~~ roll off you, and just observe the BP mentality.
It could be fun, watching them try and goad a reaction from you, while you just smile with a ZFG knowing smile. Stay for a bit, thank your mom for a nice dinner, and then gtfo, saying you have plans and need to go. Don’t tell em know what you have planned, let them fill in the details in their own mind, I.e let their hamsters spin baby!
This ^^^ i also understand. And it’s reasonable – maybe even fun! Apply some amused mastery!! Could flip it around entirely and make it work. I do that with women in every day situations all the time. Where I might want to say “no. f~~~ off”… but i play with her and make it entertaining to amuse myself and keep it light.
But on Christmas – or Thanksgiving – it should be sincere. Not putting on a show. Your basic MGHOW already does this at work, keeps thoughts to himself for the sake of appearances, applies a little amused mastery, and doesn’t give himself enough opportunity to just……… BE.
It’s a good suggestion, but I would rather order KFC on the 25th than “game” my own family.
It’s like when I was a kid and was dealing with a violent bully who pushed me around and stole my bike. We hear advice like “oh don’t let it bother you” , “they’re just jealous” and “just ignore them”…….. but my father told me to make a fist and just punch him in the face.
And when I was 7, I did exactly that. Knocked Biff out with one punch like in Back to the Future.
He never bothered me again.Today, you don’t even need a fist. You can just knock someone out with the truth.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.I remember feeling exactly this way when I was married. Her family was large and really took the Holidays to a new level. Her father was the oldest of the family and always held the family functions at his house. They would invite EVERYBODY in the family. It even extended to 2nd and 3rd cousins. Those that were fortunate to live out of town would get pardoned if they didn’t come. We lived in town and it was her father so we went to EVERY-MOTHER-F***ING function. It was like we were obligated to attend and unless you had to work, no excuse was a good excuse. Early in my marriage we were doing s~~~ with her side of the family literally every other week. After the first year it started to grade on my nerves and ANY holiday was like a death march. Sitting at someone else’s house talking to people you don’t know and only see once or twice a year. It wasn’t enough that we were there either, we had to be the first there so that we could help her parents and the last to go so that we could help clean up. I remember that when I did have to work, the very next function people would be asking me where I was. It was like I committed a felony or something. The resentment started to build up over the years and I started pushing back. Her excuses for going were always BS and her favorite one was “Well so and so is going to be there and we haven’t seen them since last year” I would reply, “Why is that MY problem? The reason we didn’t see them is because THEY weren’t there. The fact that we didn’t see them is THEIR fault not mine!” I was so glad when I walked away from it all and I don’t regret one iota of it.
Remember brothers, it’s your Holiday too. Don’t be shamed by someone else’s family for not doing something that only benefits them. Happy Thanksgiving to all MGTOW!Feminism isn't about equality with men, it's about leverage over men.
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