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[ConfuciusParticipant]

Thanks for the advice. Being a new member I have a lot to learn.

Anonymous wrote:

Religion and abortion are big ones.

I don’t care about either, and avoid engaging in those discussions as they never lead anywhere.

Anonymous wrote:

And when a lot of people are coming down hard on one side, then it can seem like the place has turned into an echo chamber if you’re on the minority side. But it’s really about how good *you* are at being in the minority.

It’s where I thrive. I like taking the opposite point of view in a discussion just for the sake of arguing (not because I necessarily don’t agree with them, but just to make the discussion more interesting). Some people find me annoying because of that. [/quote]

Anonymous wrote:

And it’s not that other people want to convert you; it’s just that they’ve heard it all before and don’t really want to get lectured by you. The best way to handle it when you’re in the minority: State your position, make one good argument to show where you’re coming from, then bite your tongue and figure that there’s nothing more for you to say on the issue. No one will mind if your opinion differs from theirs. But they will get kind of irritated if you won’t back down and insist on lecturing them and trying to convert them when you’re clearly outnumbered. Like I’ve said, they’ve heard it all before.

This one I might get into trouble with. Just because a majority holds a certain belief, I am not usually backing down on my stance. I know I am new to these forums, and will try to remember this advice.

Anonymous wrote:

In other words, it’s not about echo chambers and confirmation bias. It’s more about putting up with a very diverse crowd, some who may get under your skin at times. Don’t assume that people have to argue the same way you argue. You may make an intellectual argument, and someone comes back at you with an emotional argument. Or vice versa.

Good point. I tend to argue from an intellectual standpoint. But exactly herein lies the point. If you try to use rational arguments agains the SJW-crowd, the respond by reaction emotionally. In fact, whenever we face an argument that threatens our beliefs, we are all emotionally affected (including myself). However, if one lets emotions rule by deliberatly avoiding making arguments because it may offend people, then I would argue that it is no better than the SJW-crowd.

Anonymous wrote:

And if you think you’re being pressed too hard or that people are ganging up on you, don’t take it personally. It gets heated here sometimes. There’s a lot of drunk posting in the evenings. Just say, “Okay, I gotta take a break” and sign off. Come back the next morning and everything will be cool again.

As I’m in Europe I tend to be fast asleep during US evenings. Maybe I should stay up later…

"Life is really simple, but men insist on making it complicated."

[Anonymous]

My opinion:

There are some issues where people get kind of heated. Religion and abortion are big ones. And when a lot of people are coming down hard on one side, then it can seem like the place has turned into an echo chamber if you’re on the minority side.

But it’s really about how good *you* are at being in the minority. And it’s not that other people want to convert you; it’s just that they’ve heard it all before and don’t really want to get lectured by you. The best way to handle it when you’re in the minority: State your position, make one good argument to show where you’re coming from, then bite your tongue and figure that there’s nothing more for you to say on the issue. No one will mind if your opinion differs from theirs. But they will get kind of irritated if you won’t back down and insist on lecturing them and trying to convert them when you’re clearly outnumbered. Like I’ve said, they’ve heard it all before.

Other than that, the forum is pretty much like life itself:

Life is tough. There is a lot of paranoia and emotion out there. People get in your face over minor things. People will correct you and s~~~-test you (due to one-upmanship and just to see how you react to the pressure). People come here and post when they’re drunk, and sometimes they get a little belligerent. Also, you’ll find some conspiracy freaks and people will say some racist s~~~ sometimes. But don’t fear disagreement and conflict. Most often it’s not about substance; it’s just about riffing and back-and-forth. It’s not meant to be personal. Be a bit oblivious: Act unaware of the other person’s mood or that the s~~~ has gotten awkward. Joke on past it. If it’s just a s~~~-test, there’s no obligation to take the bait.

In other words, it’s not about echo chambers and confirmation bias. It’s more about putting up with a very diverse crowd, some who may get under your skin at times. Don’t assume that people have to argue the same way you argue. You may make an intellectual argument, and someone comes back at you with an emotional argument. Or vice versa.

Just give people a little breathing room. Don’t humiliate a guy so badly that he’s got nowhere to turn, because then he’s going to come at you at some later date when you’re vulnerable. And if you think you’re being pressed too hard or that people are ganging up on you, don’t take it personally. It gets heated here sometimes. There’s a lot of drunk posting in the evenings. Just say, “Okay, I gotta take a break” and sign off. Come back the next morning and everything will be cool again.

The things below are something I’ve been thinking of lately when reading the forums. Not sure where I want to go with it. They are some reflections I’ve made during the past week. Feel free to comment, disagree or flame.

The echo chamber
One of the characteristic traits of women is the need to agree on all beliefs and never to question the collective stances of hive. The common example is that when a woman complains about something, she wants you to agree, not solve the problem (it’s not about the nail). If you ever spent time with a group of women you will have noticed that dissent or questioning any actions, beliefs, or values is never taking place. When one woman voices an opinion, the rest either agree or nod. If the opinion voiced was not in agreement with the collective mindset, the s~~~-talk starts when the offending person has left the group. Argumentation never takes place with the person present. This is one of the reasons the feminist movement has turned into an echo chamber where ideas and opinions are not allowed to be questioned. The person who want to bring up to scrutiny or carry out a logical argument that puts into question the common beliefs is attacked, shamed, and eventually excommunicated if she does not apologize and subordinate herself to the hive. This has led to 3rd wave feminism becoming an echo chamber with strict thought-policing.

I sincerely hope that this forum does not work like this, and that there is an open mindset and space to voice opinions that differ from those other have. Without open rational discussion where also views dissenting from the majority can be put forward without shaming and calls for excommunication one cannot progress.

This brings me to the other thing I have been thinking about lately

Confirmation bias
From the interaction and discussions I have had with feminists in the past, one thing that always bothered (angered) me was their training to always seek gender inequality roots to all situations where a woman was having any sort of disadvantage. This is further enhanced to actively seek out every instance where one can find an example of the evil patriarchy oppressing women, regardless of how remote and far-fetched. This leads to an effective brainwashing through confirmation bias by exposure to a continuous stream of examples that confirm and cement already existing beliefs.

What does this have to do with MGTOW?
Beware of echo chamber mentality and confirmation bias. Always think for yourself, and respect that others might think differently. If you don’t agree, make rational arguments. Don’t shame or resort to name calling. If not, we are no better than the SJW-crowd and 3rd wave feminists, but just on the other side of the spectrum. Beware of only seeking out material that enhances your confirmation bias.

Think for yourself – go Your own way also with your mind, thoughts and beliefs.

"Life is really simple, but men insist on making it complicated."

[AlmostWonderfulParticipant]

IGMOW…I’ve never tried to and haven’t seen anyone here try to tell you it is essential you hold the same views they do in order for you to “do anything”. That’s just a straw man. I didn’t read all the posts, I guess it’s possible. If people here are trying to presume or assume you have the same views they do, I’m not one of them. I like different opinions and that’s what makes the world go around. I don’t chat on here just to situate myself inside of an echo chamber. What I do see though, is that many of the members here share a sense of brotherhood. We try and offer each other a support system. So often, as opposed to totally and just outright disagreeing with one another, we’ll offer a different perspective on something or a tidbit of advice, just drop a small dime, etc.

[Greg HondaParticipant]

Reports of my death have been greatly exageratted!

This was just too good an opportunity to miss.

The woman in question was a Hard Core “Kill all Men” Feminazi in the 80’s before it became mainstream.

Her whole life built around these lies and for a long time it seemed to be a good choice.

Just one big taxpayer funded party of little work, lots of holidays, no accountability, always surrounded by the fawning leftists who enjoyed living in their echo chamber.

Reality of the average person’s life was treated with disdain. Anyone who doesn’t agree on politics or dietary restriction is a Moron or a Nazi.

Forgets that these morons pay the taxes that support the state non jobs.

Never saved, always spent. I honestly can’t think of an exotic holiday destination around the world that hasn’t been visited multiple times.

Everything on credit. Car, House, Holidays.

Just put it on the mortgage.

Pay off plan?

Inherit parents house and sell it to keep the party going.

One problem. Care home fees for elderly parents will wipe out all equity in thier property.

So looks like ending up in the same kind of dingy flat in crap area that she started in 30 years ago.

And sex? Yeah, lots of good hard bangin’ sex from a line of Chads always ready to oblige.

Until the Wall hit.

Now just the poor young guys who want to sample an older woman, or frankly creepy guys with nothing to offer.

No one with resources.

No one who will commit.

And it comes. Finally the party is over and the barman is walking towards the table with the Tab that needs paying.

I needed to see this first hand so went undercover.
All MGTOW content deleted from my devices in case she checked my system.
No contact with the Brothers. Just Stealth.
The game is still playing and I’m enjoying the attention.

The sex is better than it ever was in her 20’s much better.

But, Is it worth risking my house for? My Freedom?

She still thinks I’m the Simp I used to be and I’m playing along.
I can be very convincing when I want to be.
This is the real deal.
This woman has always been a hardcore leftist Feminist and now I get to see what that lifestlye choice actually brings when we get to the end game.

It’s horrific. It’s Brutal. It’s empty, sad and lonely.
And Poor. Very Poor.

Too bad.

It's Time to get Wise

[Anonymous]

I think it’s especially difficult to understand and articulate the meanings of concepts of going your own way when you are just learning these concepts or when your in your red pill rage.

You are still stuck with one foot in the matrix and one out. Half of your life you still need to be plugged into the machine. Maybe your (still) married. Maybe your going through a custody dispute and have to appear a certain way to a judge.

Either way, it could come off in as weird and fishy here.

I see a little bit of the creation of an echo chamber and will fight like hell against that. Becoming and echo chamber will be immediately obvious to the reader and will severely shut down debate and depth here at MGTOW.com.

Key Master has made it simple and we have to police ourselves. That takes great discretion about when to use force.

When someone disrupts the board or is obviously here to collect data they should be shut down. We want no women here but I bet you a few posters are impersonate men. There is no way to tell the difference other than a DNA test result required with an application to post here, lol.

We must accept that we are not alone here. If a woman truly believes in men going their own way and can fool us into thinking they are a man then there is nothing we can do but accept it.

What I’m against is inter scene fighting trolls like to cause that is done just to derail threads that might be part of a larger group of threads all heading to some realization or helpful technique which enhances going your own way.

[FrankOneParticipant]

Before the advent of cable TV and the internet, there were few media choices for the consumer. Think channel 4, 6, and 10 and maybe a local PBS affiliate. Remember you youngins, I am talking broadcast via radio waves here.

If we had more regulation, stations like CNN AND Fox would both have to give more time to the other side.

People naturally seek an echo chamber. They don’t want to think critically or have their beliefs challenged, so they watch whatever media aligns with their politics for news and editorial content.

They are brainwashed into siding with one of the dominant major political parties.

[Anonymous]

I wonder what his quotes actually were. The quotes listed in the article all mention cohabitation. The writer, a woman named Rachel Wearmouth, might have taken liberties on the headline and the introductory paragraph.

It’s hard to know. Here we have a woman AND a mangina combining together, the chances of them saying anything important or any truth being in there are next to nothing.

It’s also an old article, and of course it’s on here to cause a bunch of people to rage around. I don’t know what the value of these types of articles or videos even is. A good reminder sometimes, but is there really a point in a 7 month old article? I can see a week or less, but why drag out a 7 month old one, just to bait the posters on here?

Anyway whatever, just some thoughts. I think sometimes these articles and videos are overdone, and it creates a sort of echo chamber or skewed perspective where we think the media is constantly out to get us, when it’s really a few articles a year being pulled from all over the place. A lot of times we get repeats too.

[AncientwisdomParticipant]

I desire to be both critical of the opposite sex, but also critical of myself.

Us men, are capable of: introspection, empathy, and sympathy. As a result, sometimes when I question a females attitude, I question myself. I wonder if my reaction is simply a result of an “echo chamber”, “cognitive dissonance”, or some other means.

Only men would question such a thing.

I can’t ask women this, so I ask you guys this.

Women would NEVER even consider this; but I don’t want to act like a petulant child who is incapable of self-evaluation; so I ask you men, if examples such as the one I gave are simply superficial.

Thanks for your time fellow doooodes, and have a good night!

Resident cynic.

[AncientwisdomParticipant]

ghost wrote:

I believe you live in town as opposed to the suburbs. I have found women in urban environments to have that type of attitude. It is one of the reasons I prefer to live in the suburbs. I also don’t live in a liberal town so the women are generally very friendly around where I live.

That being said, I can understand your frustration. Her attitude was unwarranted but you could have gotten a similar attitude from a guy as well. I just think she was probably a bit frustrated, that’s all. Regardless, you handled it properly.

Thanks Gambit!

In re-reading my post:

I didn’t articulate it quite properly. But, I appreciate your response as well as the guy above you.

My intention in positing, was wanting to ensure I wasn’t becoming some “echo chamber”/”Confirmation Biased”- as in, what I *perceive* in this world is simply a confirmation of what my individual biases are, as in part, by being a member of this forum/and/or my own individual perception.

I was looking for individual and objective opinions as to that isolated situation. Because to me, it was a superficial situation, but it exemplified so much as what we discuss on this forum.

<—Opposite of the “hive” mentality.

Thanks for the reply Gambit. I hope all is well bro!

Resident cynic.

[Anonymous]

Gargamel wrote:

Through media and technology, the world has become fake.

+1 to that. Technology created the “Century of the Self.” Social Media is just an Echo Chamber of Self Delusion. A virtual world of deception. The story about Narcissus and the Mirror is most relevant today. It reminds me of that song “Hall of Mirrors” by Kraftwerk.

[AposematicParticipant]

Welcome Buck, …. you are A Star . MGTOW are moving, infinite vectors.. The best part is the bickering and smackdowns when there is a head on collision. Hope you like popcorn.Definitely not a sjw echo chamber ‘movement’

Afinogyny.. from the Greek Afino {to abandon/ to set down/ to leave /to allow/ to let } + Gyny {Women} MGHOW’s philosophy to not engage women without “hating them”. Narcorca =Narcissistic Orca typically spouting to a bathroom mirror taking an arms length selfie ; Wallinate describes post wall females whose SMV is terminally negligible New Years resolution "To not make women happy" . Instadestitue: yet another Neologism for Men that cohabit with women that decide to pull the handle of intervention orders.

[WOTGMSpectator]

OldBill wrote:

Onetruemisfit wrote:

Now I would like you guys to answer the questions as if she was to be truthful.

She lied every time, but weren’t you expecting that?

Let’s pump her full of scopolamine and read her truthful answers:

Q:Being truthful or being tactful: Which is more important?

A: Neither. I’ll decide on truth or tact depending on which provides me with an immediate advantage while constantly switching from one to other based on my whims, moods, and feelings. Changing our mind is a woman’s prerogative.

Q:If you had one day left to live, how would you spend it?

A: Screaming and blaming others while making impossible demands.

Q:If your family went through your personal belongings after you die, would they be shocked by anything they find?

A:Yes, but only if I were unable to destroy and/or delete the entire contents of my computer, tablet, or phone plus any “keepsakes” or mementos I’ve lying around and the several “martial aids” tucked under the mattress.

Q:I can tolerate many things in a romantic partner, but if you don’t like ____, it probably won’t work out.

A:If you don’t everything I like, only what I like, like it for only as long as I like it, and change your mind the minute I do, it probably won’t work out. I don’t want a relationship with a human being as much as I want a relationship with a combination hug box, echo chamber, and perpetual validation machine.

Q:What do you consider your biggest strength?

A:I can lie very convincingly. By the way, I love you.

Dude seriously, keep your posts shorter and more to the point. It’s not fun having to scroll down for an hour while reading your sad attempts at stand up comedy.

[OldBillParticipant]

OneTrueMisfit wrote:

Now I would like you guys to answer the questions as if she was to be truthful.

She lied every time, but weren’t you expecting that?

Let’s pump her full of scopolamine and read her truthful answers:

Q:Being truthful or being tactful: Which is more important?

A: Neither. I’ll decide on truth or tact depending on which provides me with an immediate advantage while constantly switching from one to other based on my whims, moods, and feelings. Changing our mind is a woman’s prerogative.

Q:If you had one day left to live, how would you spend it?

A: Screaming and blaming others while making impossible demands.

Q:If your family went through your personal belongings after you die, would they be shocked by anything they find?

A:Yes, but only if I were unable to destroy and/or delete the entire contents of my computer, tablet, or phone plus any “keepsakes” or mementos I’ve lying around and the several “martial aids” tucked under the mattress.

Q:I can tolerate many things in a romantic partner, but if you don’t like ____, it probably won’t work out.

A:If you don’t everything I like, only what I like, like it for only as long as I like it, and change your mind the minute I do, it probably won’t work out. I don’t want a relationship with a human being as much as I want a relationship with a combination hug box, echo chamber, and perpetual validation machine.

Q:What do you consider your biggest strength?

A:I can lie very convincingly. By the way, I love you.

Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.

[shaunozParticipant]

it is called “virtue signaling”

It is a form of being an attention whore. Basically they are just saying “look at me ! I am saying all the right things (as defined by my friends) !! ”

the intended audience is their own: echo chamber / social structure / tribe

I am not on Facebook. I left FB in 2009 when advised to leave it by my divorce lawyer. One of the only valuable pieces of advice he gave me. FB is routinely used by divorce lawyers to gather info on the enemy to use against them. Keep your life to yourself !

[Zuberi TauParticipant]

That is completely up the individual man and not some echo chamber of weather beaten whores
struggling to snag a pet wallet!

[WinterhandParticipant]

It’s like all the “where have all the good men gone” articles … theses writers all seem to inhabit the same huge echo chamber where they just keep on repeating the same tired excuses but never asking the people involved.

Divorce rape, Hypergamy, Gynocentrism the answers are staring them in the face but they refuse to see or hear it.

[WOTGMSpectator]

OldBill wrote:

WOTGM wrote:

Other members have not responded to my threads/questions in this manner so I’d appreciate it if you would just not reply to my threads if they annoy you so much.

How about a big F~~~ You instead? I’ve gotten more up-votes from my comments on your pathetic bulls~~~ then you’ve got up-votes from posting it, so it’s rather obvious which are more welcomed here.

You’re going to get the comments you deserve and the comments you need. If those comments don’t fit the narrative in your echo chamber, so be it. You’re getting honest responses to your patently dishonest s~~~. What you choose to do with those comments is up to you.

I come here to escape aggravation, not to be aggravated further.

Escape aggravation? Score a laugh point. You and your “questions” are aggravating. That’s why you get the responses you do.

Do yourself and the rest of us a favor. If you’re really here to learn, read more and post less. Every “question” you ask has been asked and answered dozens of times before. Quite whining and start reading.

Good luck.

Not that it matters, but you got 6 up votes on your reply to me vs. 9 for my original post.

Anyway, your last post proves once again you are incapable of being respectful towards other posters. “F~~~ you” wow. So witty and intelligent. Do you talk to people in person like that? Of course you don’t. If you did, you’d have no teeth left. So why are you talking to someone like that on here?

Sorry that I triggered you. I’m not going to get into an insult contest with you, it’s pointless and silly. You’re obviously a very angry person and it has nothing to do with me. Maybe you were abused as a child? Who knows.

I used to be a very angry person but I’ve grown beyond that point now, so people like yourself no longer have much effect on me. I admit, I get p~~~ed off for about 5 seconds, then I start thinking about what I’m going to eat for dinner tomorrow night.

I’m not interested in “learning” anything from someone who talks to people the way you do. I’ll never understand people like you. I would never talk down to someone or treat them in a disrespectful way unless they did so to me first. Even now, after you’ve been a complete asshole to me (for no reason), I’m not talking to you rudely.

As far as your “advice” to me goes, save it. I don’t take advice from people who act like dickheads. If you want people to take you seriously you have to treat them with respect. That’s my “advice” for you. You will never be taken seriously by me or anyone else if you act like an asshole.

Sorry that my threads “aggravate” you. My advice to you was to ignore my threads, but your “F~~~ you” response indicated that you would prefer to engage in a childish “flame war” instead. Well, I’m not going to entertain you. So since you won’t ignore my threads as I have kindly asked you to do, I will now ignore you instead. At least until you learn how to speak to people in a respectful way.

And for the record, how you talk to others reflects not only on you, but your parents as well, and how they raised you. Something for you to think about.

P.S. if you want to know what “whining” is really all about, try talking to people in the actual real world the way you talked to me on this thread. You’ll find out pretty quickly what “whining” truly is when you do.

Peace.

[OldBillParticipant]

WOTGM wrote:

Other members have not responded to my threads/questions in this manner so I’d appreciate it if you would just not reply to my threads if they annoy you so much.

How about a big F~~~ You instead? I’ve gotten more up-votes from my comments on your pathetic bulls~~~ then you’ve got up-votes from posting it, so it’s rather obvious which are more welcomed here.

You’re going to get the comments you deserve and the comments you need. If those comments don’t fit the narrative in your echo chamber, so be it. You’re getting honest responses to your patently dishonest s~~~. What you choose to do with those comments is up to you.

I come here to escape aggravation, not to be aggravated further.

Escape aggravation? Score a laugh point. You and your “questions” are aggravating. That’s why you get the responses you do.

Do yourself and the rest of us a favor. If you’re really here to learn, read more and post less. Every “question” you ask has been asked and answered dozens of times before. Quite whining and start reading.

Good luck.

Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.

[Solo MAN’S WisdomParticipant]

Untamed wrote:

They live in their own little echo chamber and get to believe incredible fallacies, ones that DOCTORS themselves refute by saying being fat is UNHEALTHY.
Nothing to do with sexy or beauty.

THANK YOU.

When women lead, destruction is the destination. -- Me.