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Do we really need to know why the rattlesnake will bite you? We know he might and we stay away.
Same with women. I don’t hate them, I just don’t want to cross paths with one.
#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.
Penis envy
I also will never understand it.
"Once you’ve taken care of the basics, there’s very little in this world for which your life is worth deferring." -David Hansson. "It’s not when women are mean or nasty that anything is out of the ordinary. It’s when they are NICE to you that you have to be on high alert..." -Jackinov.
I also will never understand it.
We don’t need to understand it. All we need do is accept it.
Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.
Instead of creating a new thread about this you could have gone through the forums and found all the info you need. I would still recommend going through them. There is so much info on this site that is will amaze you if you look.
I could tell you what I think but i have read about “why” on several threads and watched videos on YouTube and have read about it on Reddit. So, what I think has been influenced by those sources.
Women's brains and vagina have one thing in common. There is nothing in there until a man puts something in there.
It baffles me as a man that women are this way.
So the guy who created two threads whining about how women don’t hit on him, has now created a thread whining about how he doesn’t understand why women act they way they do?
Classic.
I’m sorry that you feel like I’m “whining” but this is now the second time you have “called me out” on a thread. Other members have not responded to my threads/questions in this manner so I’d appreciate it if you would just not reply to my threads if they annoy you so much. I come here to escape aggravation, not to be aggravated further. Thanks.
Other members have not responded to my threads/questions in this manner so I’d appreciate it if you would just not reply to my threads if they annoy you so much.
How about a big F~~~ You instead? I’ve gotten more up-votes from my comments on your pathetic bulls~~~ then you’ve got up-votes from posting it, so it’s rather obvious which are more welcomed here.
You’re going to get the comments you deserve and the comments you need. If those comments don’t fit the narrative in your echo chamber, so be it. You’re getting honest responses to your patently dishonest s~~~. What you choose to do with those comments is up to you.
I come here to escape aggravation, not to be aggravated further.
Escape aggravation? Score a laugh point. You and your “questions” are aggravating. That’s why you get the responses you do.
Do yourself and the rest of us a favor. If you’re really here to learn, read more and post less. Every “question” you ask has been asked and answered dozens of times before. Quite whining and start reading.
Good luck.
Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.
WOTGM –
I think that the answers you need were in my reply:
/forums/topic/i-just-dont-understand-why-women-love-manipulating-and-hurting-men-so-much/#post-608586I initially found it difficult, like you currently seem to, to understand why women behave in the bad/contradictory/destructive/selfish manner that they do; the fundamental question being, which I had been fighting for the past 25 years of my life: “Why would a woman NOT want a Good Man?” (This question is fundamental to the separate question: “Why do women do/say such horrible things to/about Good Men?”.) In my view, the key to understanding here is in knowing that men and women have different definitions of ‘Good’, when it comes to members of the opposite sex – a man wants an attractive, loving, reproductive, and submissive woman; a woman wants as powerful/strong (i.e. protective) and as wealthy (i.e. resourceful) man as she can get. Men are actually more loyal than women are, when in a relationship. Women are naturally hypergamous and gynocentristic. Blue Pill Programming masks these truths from men, to create an army of male providers, for women and their off-spring. You need to: (1) Accept that everything that you have been taught in your Blue Pill Programming is a LIE; (2) Accept women for the way they REALLY are; (3) Remove yourself from The Plantation; (4) Go You Own Way and be happy yourself (get yourself one/several hobbies). If you must interact with women, keep it to a minimum and be business-like/professional; if you are ‘friendly’ with a woman, she may see you as a possible target for manipulation – I know that it can be difficult interacting with women sometimes.
As the member Maraudrz1 said above, when you have questions or when you want to see peoples’ opinions on something, look through the posts on the various forums here first. There is a lot of gold in the MGTOW Central and Blue Pill Hell forums, in particular, which I read on a daily basis, as my ‘Daily Dose of Red Pills’, as Sandman calls it. I also consume Howard Dare, MGTOW 101, and Sandman videos, on YouTube, which are excellent; I recommend you do to.
I have learnt more truth here in 1 Month than I have from 40 Years listening to my parents and women.
WOTGM wrote:
99% of women are going straight to Hell when they die, I’m convinced of that.
[/quote]The quote below seems relevant:
“I looked into Paradise and I saw that the majority of its people were the poor. And I looked into Hell and I saw that the majority of its people are women.” – Islamic quote.
Marriage: About as appealing as wood-chipper diving.
Other members have not responded to my threads/questions in this manner so I’d appreciate it if you would just not reply to my threads if they annoy you so much.
How about a big F~~~ You instead? I’ve gotten more up-votes from my comments on your pathetic bulls~~~ then you’ve got up-votes from posting it, so it’s rather obvious which are more welcomed here.
You’re going to get the comments you deserve and the comments you need. If those comments don’t fit the narrative in your echo chamber, so be it. You’re getting honest responses to your patently dishonest s~~~. What you choose to do with those comments is up to you.
I come here to escape aggravation, not to be aggravated further.
Escape aggravation? Score a laugh point. You and your “questions” are aggravating. That’s why you get the responses you do.
Do yourself and the rest of us a favor. If you’re really here to learn, read more and post less. Every “question” you ask has been asked and answered dozens of times before. Quite whining and start reading.
Good luck.
Not that it matters, but you got 6 up votes on your reply to me vs. 9 for my original post.
Anyway, your last post proves once again you are incapable of being respectful towards other posters. “F~~~ you” wow. So witty and intelligent. Do you talk to people in person like that? Of course you don’t. If you did, you’d have no teeth left. So why are you talking to someone like that on here?
Sorry that I triggered you. I’m not going to get into an insult contest with you, it’s pointless and silly. You’re obviously a very angry person and it has nothing to do with me. Maybe you were abused as a child? Who knows.
I used to be a very angry person but I’ve grown beyond that point now, so people like yourself no longer have much effect on me. I admit, I get p~~~ed off for about 5 seconds, then I start thinking about what I’m going to eat for dinner tomorrow night.
I’m not interested in “learning” anything from someone who talks to people the way you do. I’ll never understand people like you. I would never talk down to someone or treat them in a disrespectful way unless they did so to me first. Even now, after you’ve been a complete asshole to me (for no reason), I’m not talking to you rudely.
As far as your “advice” to me goes, save it. I don’t take advice from people who act like dickheads. If you want people to take you seriously you have to treat them with respect. That’s my “advice” for you. You will never be taken seriously by me or anyone else if you act like an asshole.
Sorry that my threads “aggravate” you. My advice to you was to ignore my threads, but your “F~~~ you” response indicated that you would prefer to engage in a childish “flame war” instead. Well, I’m not going to entertain you. So since you won’t ignore my threads as I have kindly asked you to do, I will now ignore you instead. At least until you learn how to speak to people in a respectful way.
And for the record, how you talk to others reflects not only on you, but your parents as well, and how they raised you. Something for you to think about.
P.S. if you want to know what “whining” is really all about, try talking to people in the actual real world the way you talked to me on this thread. You’ll find out pretty quickly what “whining” truly is when you do.
Peace.
WOTGM –
I think that the answers you need were in my reply:
/forums/topic/i-just-dont-understand-why-women-love-manipulating-and-hurting-men-so-much/#post-608586I initially found it difficult, like you currently seem to, to understand why women behave in the bad/contradictory/destructive/selfish manner that they do; the fundamental question being, which I had been fighting for the past 25 years of my life: “Why would a woman NOT want a Good Man?” (This question is fundamental to the separate question: “Why do women do/say such horrible things to/about Good Men?”.) In my view, the key to understanding here is in knowing that men and women have different definitions of ‘Good’, when it comes to members of the opposite sex – a man wants an attractive, loving, reproductive, and submissive woman; a woman wants as powerful/strong (i.e. protective) and as wealthy (i.e. resourceful) man as she can get. Men are actually more loyal than women are, when in a relationship. Women are naturally hypergamous and gynocentristic. Blue Pill Programming masks these truths from men, to create an army of male providers, for women and their off-spring. You need to: (1) Accept that everything that you have been taught in your Blue Pill Programming is a LIE; (2) Accept women for the way they REALLY are; (3) Remove yourself from The Plantation; (4) Go You Own Way and be happy yourself (get yourself one/several hobbies). If you must interact with women, keep it to a minimum and be business-like/professional; if you are ‘friendly’ with a woman, she may see you as a possible target for manipulation – I know that it can be difficult interacting with women sometimes.
As the member Maraudrz1 said above, when you have questions or when you want to see peoples’ opinions on something, look through the posts on the various forums here first. There is a lot of gold in the MGTOW Central and Blue Pill Hell forums, in particular, which I read on a daily basis, as my ‘Daily Dose of Red Pills’, as Sandman calls it. I also consume Howard Dare, MGTOW 101, and Sandman videos, on YouTube, which are excellent; I recommend you do to.
I have learnt more truth here in 1 Month than I have from 40 Years listening to my parents and women.
Thank you and others here for the reply. With the exception of OldBill (who obviously has some issues, but there’s always “that one guy” who’s a dick LOL) everyone here has been great so far and the answers and support I’ve received have been a tremendous help to me. I will definitely check out those videos on youtube. I’ve already seen a lot of MGTOW 101 videos but not too much of Sandman or Howard Dare, so that will be my next stop.
I guess what’s so frustrating about what you said is that to me, there is no “interpretation” of what the word “good” means. To me, there is no such thing as “my definition” of good vs. “her definition” of good.
So when a woman likes a scumbag guy, and says “he’s good according to MY definition” to me that’s just a s~~~ty cop out and a s~~~ty justification so that she can behave in an abhorrent way. It’s like when liberal judges try to “interpret” the law that is written and legislate from the bench. There is no “interpretation” of “good” or “bad” but of course females do what they want even if it makes no sense.
To me, good is good and bad is bad and there is no “male version vs. female version”. She KNOWS he’s not “good” but she chooses him anyway. It’s like if I stole a car and then said “to me, stealing cars is good so it’s OK!” but I know in my heart it is NOT good, I’m just doing it for selfish reasons and because I wanted to steal something.
I don’t believe women truly believe when they go after a rich guy or a scumbag that they think he is “good” or what they are doing is “good”. They KNOW they are doing the wrong thing and the abhorrent thing. Yet they try to justify it.
Thanks again man. I really appreciate it. 🙂
WHY did no one ever tell me the REAL nature of women?
Man, I feel your pain. I just want to date women because they have sexy bodies. I don’t want to share a house with them because I value peace and freedom.
If we were told the true nature of women from the beginning, they wouldn’t get any more free stuff from us. Maybe our fathers and uncles didn’t tell us about conniving women because they were in denial. Think of how many flowers, chocolate hearts, dinners, movie tickets, concert tickets, and diamond rings have been bought by hard-working men for women who never fully appreciated them?
A man who expresses his true romantic feelings for a woman will get rejected for a sadistic man in a biker gang. That’s reality.
I don’t feel like playing the dating game right now. It’s not working out for me. I’m saving my money for MY FUTURE.
"I saw that there comes a point, in the defeat of any man of virtue, when his own consent is needed for evil to win-and that no manner of injury done to him by others can succeed if he chooses to withhold his consent. I saw that I could put an end to your outrages by pronouncing a single word in my mind. I pronounced it. The word was ‘No.’" (Atlas Shrugged)
Very blue pilled thinking OP. You allow yourself to be hurt by women, meaning you’ve no control over your personal situation.
If something worries you then you drop it and move on. Pondering and worrying over someone who doesn’t care about you is pointless. Accept nature, including female nature. You’re asking the equivalent of why do snakes bite men?
Two arms length – what they teach you in self defence, nobody has arms that long so they can’t reach you. Keep women metaphorically at the same distance. Outside striking distance.
WHY did no one ever tell me the REAL nature of women?
Man, I feel your pain. I just want to date women because they have sexy bodies. I don’t want to share a house with them because I value peace and freedom.
If we were told the true nature of women from the beginning, they wouldn’t get any more free stuff from us. Maybe our fathers and uncles didn’t tell us about conniving women because they were in denial. Think of how many flowers, chocolate hearts, dinners, movie tickets, concert tickets, and diamond rings have been bought by hard-working men for women who never fully appreciated them?
A man who expresses his true romantic feelings for a woman will get rejected for a sadistic man in a biker gang. That’s reality.
I don’t feel like playing the dating game right now. It’s not working out for me. I’m saving my money for MY FUTURE.
It just gets to the point where women become so much work that it’s not fun anymore. All the games, the bulls~~~, the drama, the money spent etc…and for what? Some pussy that 100 other (scumbag STD ridden) guys have already pounded out? If you think about it in those terms, logically, it makes absolutely no f~~~ing sense to even bother with women.
But most guys (including myself at one point) convince themselves that that’s NOT what we’re going after. We’re going after the “needle in the haystack” woman who might be “the one”! Yeah maybe she’s the one “meant for us” and different from all the rest!
And every time, without fail, she ALWAYS proves herself to be just like all the others. Every. Single. Time. But likes the dopes we are as men, we try again with another broad, thinking “this time will be different!”.
It took an experience with the police to finally shake me out of my trance. My slumber. That experience snapped me out of it the way the asian kid snapped Indiana Jones out of his trance with the fire stick in The Temple of Doom. All of a sudden the truth just came RUSHING in to me all at once. The flood gates were open and now there is no going back.
Penis envy
It may be that women envy us because we are better adapted to surviving in this world. We create and organize nations, we lead armies, we build stuff, we invent stuff, we make scientific discoveries, we solve social problems, we solve mechanical/technical problems, we do dirty jobs, we maintain social order, we rescue people in bad situations, and most of us have more physical endurance so we can work longer hours than women—thus getting larger paychecks. Women know that we are the foundation of a functional society, but they will never admit it because they are too conceited.
Sure, they like what we can PROVIDE for them, but at the same time, they might resent us for our talents if they don’t have any. Instead of working hard to gain power, a lot of women will seduce men who have power. Then they get the social/financial benefits of being his girlfriend/wife. They get access to the VIP club by having a sexy body. Men get access by working hard to gain money and social status.
"I saw that there comes a point, in the defeat of any man of virtue, when his own consent is needed for evil to win-and that no manner of injury done to him by others can succeed if he chooses to withhold his consent. I saw that I could put an end to your outrages by pronouncing a single word in my mind. I pronounced it. The word was ‘No.’" (Atlas Shrugged)
Very blue pilled thinking OP. You allow yourself to be hurt by women, meaning you’ve no control over your personal situation.
If something worries you then you drop it and move on. Pondering and worrying over someone who doesn’t care about you is pointless. Accept nature, including female nature. You’re asking the equivalent of why do snakes bite men?
Two arms length – what they teach you in self defence, nobody has arms that long so they can’t reach you. Keep women metaphorically at the same distance. Outside striking distance.
I understand now. I guess I’m still in my rage period. The tough part for me is that a snake is an animal that acts on instinct, and I never wanted to believe a woman was the same way. “She’s a human with the ability to reason, just like me” I used to think. That was my mistake. I realize now that women actually do have more in common with a snake than they do with a man. They act fully on instinct, with no ability to understand how their actions will negatively affect them in the future. They literally have zero foresight.
When you view a woman as a snake instead of a human, it becomes easier to understand why “it” does what it does. Sometimes though, I forget, because they “look” like us (human looking) and they speak the same language we do. But that is where the similarity ends.
You can never understand a psychopath.
Shit Tested, Cunt Approved.
WOTGM –
Men use logic to decide things. Women use emotions to decide things. You cannot understand emotions using logic. Women go for dangerous/idiotic men because they want thrills (i.e. they want to feel the emotions inside themselves that the dangerous/idiotic man creates within them) – women are forever craving ‘excitement’, even women who you think are intelligent.
You can over-come the Red Pill Rage, as I am doing, by learning to accept the way that women and ‘the game’ (i.e. the nature of the relationship between the two sexes) really are and to stop fighting them; there is no point in you fighting them, because you cannot change them. However, because you know that they are ultimately no good for you, you need to remove yourself from these things, and do what is best for just you.
I am 42, single, a virgin, and never had any intimacy/sex from a woman. I have been a Good Man/Nice Guy all my life. I was Blue-Pill Programmed all my life, until a few years ago, when it has been progressively dawning on me that:
(a) Modern Women and The Game are no good for me (and these are very likely to cause me a lot more harm/loss, over a much longer time-period, than any very short-term emotional/hormonal ‘lift’ that they might give me);
(b) The kind of girl that I always wanted (My Unicorn) does not actually exist in reality;
(c) I will never experience truely-loving intimacy/sex with a woman, because women are not genuine, ‘love’ is just an illusion to perpetuate The Game (i.e. ‘true love’ does not exist), and sex without true love is meaningless;
(d) Due to (c), I will never have a male child, and so I will be the last in my line, and hence I will leave no human legacy in this world.
So, due to all of these points, I have decided that there is no point in me pursuing sex/women, at all, so I have gone MGTOW Monk. I just do my job and play my Piano outside of work now. Now that I have accepted the way that women and ‘the game’ truely are, I am no longer interested in pursuing these, and so I am much more contented/happier than before, when I was effectively just batting my head against a brick-wall for years. Of course, I still have to interact with women, but I am no longer interested in them enough to pursue them romantically/sexually, because I know that love/romance and just rubbish and that sex without true love is meaningless.Once you have analysed and understood the true nature of women and ‘the game’, the hard part is then in accepting these and not fighting against your newly-found knowledge (part of which is controlling/re-channelling your sexual desires/energies), to allow you to then Go Your Own Way (i.e. to leave behind that which does not serve you/does not do you any good ultimately).
Unfortunately women have never evolved or matured past neanderthals
I agree. They are simply just following their biological proclivities to choose the “alpha” male.
I don’t hate them, I understand them.
They love brutish dumb men.
It makes the fish taco tingle.
Fuck bitches... literally and metaphorically
The reason I believe women hurt men the way they do is this.
Women hate themselves for being women. They hate that they will never be reasonable, rational, thoughtful, or happy. They can’t love or respect anyone who would love them. They figure that if someone (men) are dumb enough to love someone as worthless and dishonest and has no respect for you or herself has to be a complete loser and sucker. So, they do whatever they can to prove to you and themselves that they are pieces of s~~~. That’s why they always fall for the assholes that treat them like s~~~ and show no respect for them. That’s what they feel they deserve. That’s what they would do to themselves if they were men. That’s why they do the things they do to good men that love them." if women didn't exist , all the money in the world would have no meaning" Aristotle Onassis "Women are like Elephants, everyone wants to look at them but, nobody wants to have one" W.C. Fields
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