Hunting for Mangina/Tuna

[AstroParticipant 2045]

This cannot be easy for Key Master and I talked to him about it in zoom recently. Not long after I joined MGTOW, I was called a Mangina/Tuna after saying something that was misunderstood even by MGTOW veterans (however one wants to put a time-limit on what a MGTOW veteran is, if possible). I came in pretty messed up in the head and made some mistakes and will probably make more but I already knew I would never return to the plantation, just as my Dad did not return (I later took an oath to MGTOW and I keep my oaths). It wasn’t easy to take when my new brothers rejected my manhood when I already felt rejected enough to end my life. I will not be celebrating Christmas this year. I will be remembering 26-28 December/2016 when I lost my sanity and planned my demise. I will also realize that I survived, thanks to a dachshund, prayers and MGTOW.

MGTOW saves lives and I am a testimony to that. I am also a testimony to how MGTOW can throw a man already rejected back into the pit he was desperately trying to climb out of. My dad had me and my sister, I had a dog and later, MGTOW. It took some reaching for a reason to exist and that is something that shouldn’t be toyed with.

At the same time, I agree with the other side of this subject. We are Men Going Their Own Way. I am a MGTOW Monk and want as little as possible to do with females, ESPECIALLY in MGTOW! This is the last boys club and the sign above the door says: “NO GIRLS ALLOWED!” If we did allow any, I could see the Cassie Jay or Helen Smith types allowed but how can we tell what girl is actually a Feminist wanting to destroy us from within? The simple answer is, we do not.

Face it, if someone can be MGTOW, even for a long time and still be a tuna, we do not always have a good nose. The same can be said for the man who comes in suicidal desperation who we call a tuna. That is why I am afraid to call “Mangina/Tuna” and why this subject is probably the most difficult for Key Master, I do not envy him. Lives balance on how he decides.

All of this begs the question of how to deal with suspected Tuna’s or even Mangina’s on this most important site. I’m pounding my head on this. One idea is to keep a certain amount of distance until we see/hear them on zoom. It would at least stop females or all but the best good trans. Stopping Mangina’s is more questionable and I’m not even sure if we should try. What are your ideas? What do you think? We are men, we can find a solution.

[Cú ChulainnParticipant 3910]

Wise words brother, thanks for posting. I have no suggestions to add, it’s not down to me, I’m just a participant here and nothing else.

[bladeParticipant]

Astro wrote:

The same can be said for the man who comes in suicidal desperation who we call a tuna.

We had a guy come threw here saying he was going to go into the woods and shoot himself . F~~~in had me concerned . Ended up been a troll .

THE PLANTATION HAS NOW TURNED INTO THE KILLING FIELDS . WOMAN ARE NOW ROLLING CAMBODIAN STYLE .

[Anonymous 43]

there are certain patterns of writing and behavior. certain topics make it obvious that someone is looking for a gotcha answer.

[GargamelSpectator 29101]

I only call tuna when it is blatantly obvious that we are dealing with a disruptive member.

I often play with my food until KM takes it away.

In July of 2018, this honey pot forum was sold out to an unidentified NPC sock puppet and troll organization. Most independent thinkers and writers migrated to other MGTOW forums as a result of the never-ending infighting and deliberate trouble starting caused by members who were given "carte blanche" by the admin to do whatever they want. Before my departure, I only left a few thousand cat pics here to comfort and ridicule the feminist owners who now run this place. Their background agenda is to make MGTOW look like a club of losers the public eye. And during the course of 2019, they actually managed to destroy almost all other MGTOW venues as well. Here is the truth about "theindependentman.org" aka "TIM" which was created as an extended workbench to further divide the community. When you register, they install a spyware Zombie cookie on your browser that does all kinds of things the user does not know of: http://www.filedropper.com/essay-on-the-removal-of-malware-cookies-used-by-tim

[Anonymous 42]

Astro wrote:

All of this begs the question of how to deal with suspected Tuna’s or even Mangina’s on this most important site.

[Anonymous 11]

Thanks Sparky, I’m proud of you for getting through it.

I am reticent to call tuna unless it’s like Gargamel says “blatantly obvious”. I’ve been called tuna on several occasions over the years.

[Anonymous 8]

Here’s my take on the trolls, I’ve been using the internet for nearly 20 years, I have experienced trolling more than I have time to recount.

If there is any moral to the story when it comes to dealing with trolls, it is do not feed them.

Let the trolls show and prove or fail to. I do not go out of my way to engage them, that is their objective. An even greater win for them is when they can sow division among existing members.

I think too much energy is exerted on trolls on these forums, the dominant threads in latest topics are frequently tuna hunts, which can be amusing to read, but I usually logout when that type of thing starts up.

Astro wrote:

All of this begs the question of how to deal with suspected Tuna’s or even Mangina’s on this most important site. I’m pounding my head on this. One idea is to keep a certain amount of distance until we see/hear them on zoom.

I am careful with personal details, otherwise I do my thing and no one has bothered me for it so far. Infiltrators have been a known variable since before the site’s inception, so I don’t think it’s a problem that gets solved, just mitigated.

As for keeping distance from non vetted members, I think that’s prudent to a point. However new members usually show up with questions so don’t be too distant, because as you pointed out some brothers show up in rough shape and giving them the cold shoulder is antithetical to the goal of helping men.

[Anonymous 3]

The fact that you’re willing to acknowledge you were messed up and call the ill advised things that you have said or done in the past, mistakes, shows the difference between you, a contributing member, and the tunas who are just here to disrupt the place. It’s the attitude that truly matters.

Let’s take the recent case of Gilgamesh for example, he can smooth out everything right now. All he really has to do, is take 30 seconds, make a thread and say something along the lines of, “Hey guys, you know what, I don’t have a good grasp on MGTOW. I shouldn’t have made such statements, calling for people to man up and date feminine women. I’m sorry.” I’ll bet money, that every single regular member here would gladly accept that, in a heartbeat, and all the tuna calling would become water under the bridge this very second. It’s really that easy.

Hell, I’ll put my head on the guillotine right now. I’ve said stupid things here in the past, and will most likely continue to in the future. And while I’m trying to avoid doing that as much as possible, I know I’m not perfect either. If I ever make the mistake of telling somebody here to man up, you can refer back to this post, and I’ll be the first one to call myself out.

And I would even go as far as to say manginas are actually welcomed on this site. A mangina that acknowledges the fact that he’s a mangina, that puts an effort into correcting his blue pill mind, that is here to learn, you don’t think he’s welcomed? That is actually quite close to how I see myself here. That blue pill fire still burns in a number of us here. Mine has died off significantly but there have also been moments of weakness. I’m also still learning more, the more I’m on here.

The tunas, on the other hand, they come here, not to learn, not to exchange knowledge, not to share stories, but to shame you, tell you to man up and make demands of you. They try to pollute the MGTOW thought with blue pill filth. They try to twist the words of MGTOW to fit their agenda. They actively try to start trouble and drama. The list goes on and on. In short, they’re not here to change themselves, they’re here to change others. And you know what, I can’t recall you Sparky ever doing any of the above.

[Anonymous 1]

I’ve been accused of being blue pill on more than one occasion. I was also accused of being a PUA when I first arrived.

I think most men on the site have been accused of a derivative of Tuna, blue pill, mangina etc at some stage – I could be wrong.

MGTOW can be a tough crowd and those that are over-sensitive don’t usually stick around for long – or they have a massive blow up and start lashing out at everyone……..they just flip. I think it builds up over time.

[bladeParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

Manginas are actually welcomed on this site

And manginas make good trolls as well . I have seen a couple that have been called woman tuna that i beleaved were manginas .

THE PLANTATION HAS NOW TURNED INTO THE KILLING FIELDS . WOMAN ARE NOW ROLLING CAMBODIAN STYLE .

[Puffin StuffParticipant 24979]

I think it’s especially difficult to understand and articulate the meanings of concepts of going your own way when you are just learning these concepts or when your in your red pill rage.

You are still stuck with one foot in the matrix and one out. Half of your life you still need to be plugged into the machine. Maybe your (still) married. Maybe your going through a custody dispute and have to appear a certain way to a judge.

Either way, it could come off in as weird and fishy here.

I see a little bit of the creation of an echo chamber and will fight like hell against that. Becoming and echo chamber will be immediately obvious to the reader and will severely shut down debate and depth here at MGTOW.com.

Key Master has made it simple and we have to police ourselves. That takes great discretion about when to use force.

When someone disrupts the board or is obviously here to collect data they should be shut down. We want no women here but I bet you a few posters are impersonate men. There is no way to tell the difference other than a DNA test result required with an application to post here, lol.

We must accept that we are not alone here. If a woman truly believes in men going their own way and can fool us into thinking they are a man then there is nothing we can do but accept it.

What I’m against is inter scene fighting trolls like to cause that is done just to derail threads that might be part of a larger group of threads all heading to some realization or helpful technique which enhances going your own way.

#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.

[narrow road travelerParticipant 1680]

In my estimation. Each individual has a bs tollerance meter. Also a change in mood can shorten or lengthen the bs meter.

Each individual also has presuppositions which colour logical discourse.

This site in my opinion. Is mostly filled with men, who truthfully communicate experiences and rationally process the outcomes.

In my own life. Ten years ago I would have far more critical of members here. I would definitely have, “man up” as a response.

A couple of years ago, the msm fog started lifting from me. Institutions and long standing presuppositions, are more and more being revealed as foundationaly corrupt.

So, to wrap it up. Have more patience, most of the stuff spoken about is really heavy.

The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting. --Sun Tsu

[MGTOW@50Participant 225]

Speaking from the perspective of a new member here.

Thankfully my MGTOW education began a few weeks prior to posting my intro; reading this forum and resources, reading “Manipulated Man” and other books, listening to some youtube videos re: MGTOW. It was eye-opening even for someone going through his 2nd divorce.

The perceptions that have been built on a lifetime of societal and family influence takes a long time to reprogram. Many men base their value as a human on their ability to care for their wife and family. When that is torn away it leaves quite a wound.

I’m still struggling with these truths. Understanding the truth about women and reading the input of men on this site have been incredibly helpful.

I’ve seen several instances where tuna/mangina is called on a new member. It can appear as a feeding frenzy.

Tough call. Sometimes it’s warranted.

I just know there are a lot of people, myself included, who show up in search of anything that will help them to understand and to ease some of their pain. That takes some time.

[Eric LauderParticipant 12043]

I had been called “tuna” for saying that there’s no such thing as “the c~~~ carousel”, and I never apologized for that.
I simply explained my idea: we’re giving women too much credit using such charged word, because having 2-3 different men each month (at best) is actually a proof of their sexual weakness, because a man having the same chances of a beautiful woman would change at least 4-6 women PER WEEK, and that is 8 times higher.

“Casually” Chinweizu agree with me, recommending to not shame women for their sexual excesses: because their sexual excesses lower their worth, and make men more independent from “female magic”. A WIFE WHO IS “CONSERVATIVE” AND THEN FALL IN LOVE JUST ONLY ONCE WITH ANOTHER MAN (“CASUALLY” RICHER THAN YOU) IS ACTUALLY MUCH MORE DEVASTATING THAN AN OPENLY SLUTTY WOMAN – MEN ARE VERY UNLIKELY TO SIGN A MARRIAGE CONTRACT WITH THE LATTER, BUT VERY LIKELY TO FALL FOR THE FORMER…

However, contrary to Chinweizu, I think that SOME shame can be good: keeping them under pressure, throwing words here and there, is a good strategy. In example by saying “you’re a perv” to a woman talking about BDSM or such things.
Also attacking abortion with all means, without limits: Chinweizu wouldn’t recommend that but I think that he’ss wrong here.

SUPREME LEADER KIM JONG-UN'S FASHION STYLIST - if you want a new look or if you're a very beautiful trans you can call me, phone number +85079255312 / mobile 01921421211. The worth of a man isn't the usefulness that women get from him. Avoiding living with a woman, a man isn't rejecting a lot of sex: he's rejecting sexual starvation. MGTOW IS TACKLING DOMESTIC VIOLENCE IN COMPLIANCE WITH CONVENTION OF ISTANBUL: http://www.coe.int/en/web/conventions/full-list/-/conventions/rms/090000168008482e --- Article 4, Section 4 "Special measures that are necessary to prevent and protect women from gender-based violence shall not be considered discrimination under the terms of this Convention". WHAT I LEARNT FROM A GENDER STUDIES CLASS IN LUND, SWEDEN: every time feminists accuses men of doing something, odds are likely either them or persons associated with them are doing the exact same thing but a lot worse. WHO I'M RIGHT NOW https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1okpAj7Fhw Basically my former life have been a conflict between this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yz_RQVkvke4 and this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFIMeyTK-sU That's, more or less, all about me.

[Eric LauderParticipant 12043]

MGTOW@50 wrote:

Speaking from the perspective of a new member here.

Thankfully my MGTOW education began a few weeks prior to posting my intro; reading this forum and resources, reading “Manipulated Man” and other books, listening to some youtube videos re: MGTOW. It was eye-opening even for someone going through his 2nd divorce.

The perceptions that have been built on a lifetime of societal and family influence takes a long time to reprogram. Many men base their value as a human on their ability to care for their wife and family. When that is torn away it leaves quite a wound.

I’m still struggling with these truths. Understanding the truth about women and reading the input of men on this site have been incredibly helpful.

I’ve seen several instances where tuna/mangina is called on a new member. It can appear as a feeding frenzy.

Tough call. Sometimes it’s warranted.

I just know there are a lot of people, myself included, who show up in search of anything that will help them to understand and to ease some of their pain. That takes some time.

In a nutshell: marriage was created to provide women with resources, support and protection, and men with a regular (but limited and policed) sex life plus more domestic chores.
In our actual society she keep her advantages after the divorce, while he lost both after the divorce. Divorce is the end of the majority of marriage contracts, and laws are more and more turning cohabitation in something very similar to a marriage contract.
No need to say more, the math is very easy to do at such point.

SUPREME LEADER KIM JONG-UN'S FASHION STYLIST - if you want a new look or if you're a very beautiful trans you can call me, phone number +85079255312 / mobile 01921421211. The worth of a man isn't the usefulness that women get from him. Avoiding living with a woman, a man isn't rejecting a lot of sex: he's rejecting sexual starvation. MGTOW IS TACKLING DOMESTIC VIOLENCE IN COMPLIANCE WITH CONVENTION OF ISTANBUL: http://www.coe.int/en/web/conventions/full-list/-/conventions/rms/090000168008482e --- Article 4, Section 4 "Special measures that are necessary to prevent and protect women from gender-based violence shall not be considered discrimination under the terms of this Convention". WHAT I LEARNT FROM A GENDER STUDIES CLASS IN LUND, SWEDEN: every time feminists accuses men of doing something, odds are likely either them or persons associated with them are doing the exact same thing but a lot worse. WHO I'M RIGHT NOW https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1okpAj7Fhw Basically my former life have been a conflict between this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yz_RQVkvke4 and this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFIMeyTK-sU That's, more or less, all about me.

[Maraudrz1Participant 2250]

Astro wrote:

Stopping Mangina’s is more questionable and I’m not even sure if we should try.

I am against refusing any man access to the vast knowledge posted on this site. I don’t care if he is a Wimp, Simp, Wuss, Blue piller, White knight, PUA, Captain Save-a-ho, married or whatever. EVERY man needs the info on this site. The info on here can help a man understand why women do what they do. It can give them deep insight into a woman’s psyche and give them the understanding to know what to expect, why is this woman acting this way, why did she do this to me, and many other such things.

blade wrote:

We had a guy come threw here saying he was going to go into the woods and shoot himself . F~~~in had me concerned . Ended up been a troll .

We may get trolls on here but we need to treat every mention of a man wanting to hurt himself very seriously. Even if it is a troll we will sniff it out eventually. But if we are not sure we should do everything in our power to help any man who comes on here wanting help or seeking info. We have had numerous men come on here and state that this site saved their lives. I want that to continue. Back to the Trolls, if some of us suspect someone of being a troll maybe KM can mark their bio as such until we can see one way or another it is or is not.

I started a thread months back talking about the possibility of kicking someone for being a tuna when they were not but a man seeking info and help. I stated that to think someone was mistakenly kicked only to have that man commit suicide would be terrible. That is why I am against kicking any man out of this site.

Women's brains and vagina have one thing in common. There is nothing in there until a man puts something in there.

[Anonymous 12]

I’m still struggling with these truths. Understanding the truth about women and reading the input of men on this site have been incredibly helpful.

And I would even go as far as to say manginas are actually welcomed on this site. A mangina that acknowledges the fact that he’s a mangina, that puts an effort into correcting his blue pill mind, that is here to learn, you don’t think he’s welcomed? That is actually quite close to how I see myself here.

Any Man (dick and b~~~~ needed as base equipment)
…who has found a way to walk away from the plantation is welcome to me.
…those still struggling, torn between the worlds, get some mental support and time support here from the volunteers.

…those entrenched in their blue pill Lifestyle… c~~~o punto.

don’t go to a gay bar when you hate F~~s.
don’t go to pensacola naval air station if you hate the Navy, and Hornets, Tomcats and carriers.
don’t go to a wine tasting to ruin the fun of everyone if you know you are a teetotaller.

women… and those under the total influence of the gynocentric system… stay at the entrance door.
shut up, sit down and read.
the fact that you are allowed to read is already a privilege.
check it.

(muahahahah)

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