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  • FunInTheSun
    FunInTheSun
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    For the past two years, the red pills have been hard to swallow. There’s a part of me that doesn’t want to believe that women can become evil during a marriage. You guys have convinced me to remain single.

    Actually, the most convincing statement you could’ve told me, years ago, was this:

    SHE WILL STOP HAVING SEX WITH YOU.

    That warning is enough for me. Part of the reason I wanted to get married was to get laid on a regular basis. I imagined that my married life would’ve been like this: hot meals, hot sex, and hot dates. Well, I can have those experiences without getting married.

    My problems were not just with women. It was also the expectations of my society. I tried to keep up with a collective consciousness that had an interpretation of manhood that wasn’t congruent with who I am. I just can’t live by the standards of others. The more I try, the closer I get to insanity.

    Thank you: Tom Leykis, Barbarossa, Turd Flinging Monkey, Keymaster, Stealthy, Coach Kay, various PUAs, various YouTube MGTOW channels, and members of this website that have responded to my questions. You guys helped me to disconnect from “The Matrix.”

    "I saw that there comes a point, in the defeat of any man of virtue, when his own consent is needed for evil to win-and that no manner of injury done to him by others can succeed if he chooses to withhold his consent. I saw that I could put an end to your outrages by pronouncing a single word in my mind. I pronounced it. The word was ‘No.’" (Atlas Shrugged)

    #506569
    Keymaster
    Keymaster
    Keymaster

    Hilarious

    Not challenging you, but I really don’t find it “funny”.
    It makes me very nervous to see someone that unstable.

    She does something wrong. Knows it’s wrong (internally). Fails to concede or admit it’s wrong. If she didn’t know it was wrong, she would just walk out with it in her hand and not try to hide it. But confront her on it, and she REFUSES to concede.

    Is there a shrink in the house? Is there a diagnosis for someone who does something wrong , knows its wrong, but can’t accept or admit it while thinking it’s their right to do it anyway?

    To us this is inconceivable.

    It freaks the s~~~ out of me, because I have seen it before and when you’re in it, you think there is now NO LIMIT to what crazy she she will do.

    I know, you must have had some motivation

    Well no, there was originally no real personal bias attached.

    The original motivation was to create a men’s interest website where women could not police the dialogue. This came from Yahoo arbitrarily deleting men’s accounts who offered an honest male opinion on discussion boards. It was a feminist HIVE unlike anything I have ever seen. Run by TRULY INSANE feminist control freaks – who even named themselves after dead feminists. (not kidding)

    I was somewhat popular over there and many of the male members wrote to say we should create a site where this could not go on. So that was a part of it. It was inspired by other men’s requests.

    Personal bias became a small % driving factor much later. The MAJORITY of the motivation for MGTOW.com was also to create an archive for Men’s interest / MGTOW / RedPill material which was mysteriously disappearing on youtube. And it was done at Barbarossa’s specific request when he made a plea to “someone out there” who might be interested in doing it. That was approximately 2012.

    But a men’s interest site was already in early concept by 2010.
    It took 4 years for us to finally get mgtow.com.

    If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.
    #505673
    FunInTheSun
    FunInTheSun
    Participant

    For me, it began with my quest to get a girlfriend. I was looking for some happiness and I wished some sweet, sexy ladies would provide that for me. I dated many women, but they got bored with me. I wanted to figure out what I was doing wrong so the relationships would last. So I read books about romantic relationships. Then I found PUA websites and ordered their books and ebooks (I read The Mystery Method—a very annoying book). Those were my first red pills. They revealed who I was: needy and desperate for companionship and sex. It was humiliating for someone to reveal all the dating mistakes I’ve made. I was completely clueless about “the game.” That’s why I lost. I got lucky a few times despite my ignorance, though.

    I watched a lot of PUA videos on YouTube. Again, they kept telling me why I didn’t score with women. I wasn’t bold enough. I didn’t have the right attitude. My clothes looked cheap. Blah, blah, blah. Then I discovered Tom Leykis videos. He had a lot of red pills—-not just about women, but about life. At first, I thought he was just a jerk. But the more I listened to him, the more I realized that he was telling the truth. I just couldn’t accept the harsh truth. I wanted to live in a blue pill fantasy.

    The Tom Leykis videos led me to MGTOW videos on YouTube. These videos (Sandman, Barbarossa, Turd Flinging Monkey, etc.) really had a dramatic effect on me. The red pills were more potent. They showed me how deep the rabbit hole goes. It goes on forever. There was still a part of me that kept saying, “I don’t believe this,” but I couldn’t deny the truth. I had to spend a lot of time pondering their words of wisdom before going my own way. The truth hurts, but it’s also helpful. It’s like a compass for navigating my way through social situations.

    They say misery loves company. I do get some comfort from meeting other men on this forum who write, “Really? The same thing happened to me!” That lets me know that my negative dating experiences were more about the reality we shared and not just about me. In other words, I’m not totally f~~~ed up. I just didn’t realize how f~~~ed up the world actually is.

    Beyond that, I hate living in a society that shames me for what I lack (money, social status, educational degrees, job skills, a girlfriend) and demands responsible behavior while giving a pass to other members of my society who choose to be lazy and ignorant. I’ve always hated double standards. I’ve always hated taking the higher road when I get into conflicts with other people, but I know that’s the best thing to do. I can’t let my emotions get the best of me. It’s the burden of my life. If none of us were willing to do what is right and just, what would become of our world?

    "I saw that there comes a point, in the defeat of any man of virtue, when his own consent is needed for evil to win-and that no manner of injury done to him by others can succeed if he chooses to withhold his consent. I saw that I could put an end to your outrages by pronouncing a single word in my mind. I pronounced it. The word was ‘No.’" (Atlas Shrugged)

    #504802
    Zoom66
    Zoom66
    Participant

    It was a cumulation of many events, but the last straw was giving a “nice girl” a chance, and after only 3 months of dating, watching her turn into the same kind of passive aggressive unable to communicate bitch; a road that so many others had walked. She had a kid I didn’t particularly like and I remember the sense of relief I felt on the ride home to not see my lifetime’s savings sold to that investment of self destruction.

    Once I realized that even the “NAWALT” that many had recommended for years failed, I had zero interest in putting my waders on and sifting through those waters with any serious intent again. Barbarossa’s “Women are parasites” video came at the right time and I never looked back.

    #497786
    Keymaster
    Keymaster
    Keymaster

    Hello and welcome.

    If I may offer a suggestion…. since that’s a concern, why not drop the label “MGTOW” and don’t mention it in the title altogether, but open each video with a 5 second fade-in and fade out of the MGTOW symbol.

    Very simple. White on black (or yellow on black) … like a quick “splash”. If you like the idea, we can make it for you. But please give me the weekend and I will send it to you on Sunday.

    Then you don’t have to say it. Just very discreet… fade in the symbol… fade out… and then just talk, or present your content.

    It will be more easily found (in searches) if you put MGTOW in the video title. But if that’s not important to you and you make the content good enough, you won’t need it. It would stand on it’s own.

    I really like this channel.
    /channel/human/

    He has a distinct style.
    He has “MGTOW” in the title of the videos, but the channel is just “human”.
    It doesn’t appear to be a problem for him.

    EARLY MGTOW content producers never mentioned “MGTOW” in their titles. Barbarossa was just “barbarossa” and his stuff was just excellent. The content spoke for itself.

    If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

    Anonymous

    An illusion fabricated by men, because of their good nature, and abused by women for their own selfish wants and needs.

    That belongs on the epithet of mgtow pillers.

    I would go further and state that the underlying culprit is male ego.

    “She is not a slut” = I am a man that doesn’t commit to woman who has whored around (thirst compelling him to commit nonetheless)

    “She is not like other women” = Most women that turned me down were malicious, she is different. She treats me for me (lolz)

    etc.

    MGTOW and ego are enemies.

    Barbarossa was on to something big when he called his channel ‘Shedding of the Ego’.

    #492023
    FunInTheSun
    FunInTheSun
    Participant

    I remember Stealthy coined the term, “unc~~~,” and it often amused me to see it in print. The term has a serious flip-side for me, though: It means getting control of my mind so I won’t be manipulated into making bad decisions based on the charms of women—and women have some pretty powerful charms.

    At this stage of my life, I’m not dating—even though I still have a strong desire to date/f~~~ women. Dating is taxing on my mind and a burden on my bank account. I just cannot afford to do it.

    Before I came to this website, I used to spend money on PUA ebooks and online dating sites. I used to be happy to get e-mail or texts from single moms—and I dated a few of them. I was grateful for any kind of sexual opportunity. The PUA’s revealed something about me that I didn’t like: I was a desperate and needy nice guy—the kind of guy that repels women.

    I started watching a lot of PUA videos on YouTube. I got really annoyed to learn about female nature, and how I had to come up with strategies to deal with it in order to “score” with women. 100 hours of PUA videos is a real mind f~~~. They could all write a book, with more pages than the King James Bible, on how to pass a woman’s s~~~ tests and get her in the mood to drop her panties.

    The PUA videos led me to Tom Leykis videos. Tom gave me my first red pills—which I refused to swallow. I used to think he was just an asshole, but then I started to really think about his life lessons. There was some truth that couldn’t be denied—I just hated the way he presented it during his radio show. I felt personally insulted when he scoffed at nice guys. And he seemed to present women as toilet paper. I didn’t want to think of women that way. I wanted an honest, romantic relationship with a woman. There was a time, years ago, when I really wanted women to think I was an eligible bachelor. I wanted to be “good enough” for them.

    The Tom Leykis videos led me to MGTOW videos. These videos gave me the bitter red pills that challenged my blue pill, idealistic world. These videos made me realize that I’m not the only guy who’s had a dissolution of his dream of dating and marrying the perfect woman—a woman who reciprocates his love, acts of kindness, gift-giving, loyalty, and sexual cravings. These are the “unicorns” of the world. What reality actually has for me is: c~~~ish, tattooed, loud-mouthed women who will stick around as long as things are going well for me, and I’m able to spend money for their entertainment. As soon as I fall on hard times, they’ll disappear. Several YouTubers have showed me how deep the “rabbit hole” of the female mind tunnels down into the ground (it’s like a bottomless pit), but the most profound revelations I’ve heard came from Barbarossa’s channel.

    Right now I’m focused on my life and how I can salvage it. Since I’ve stopped chasing skirts, I feel a sense of liberation. I don’t have a strategy for talking to women and trying to impress them or seduce them. I’m just minding my own business. There are other aspects of life that are important to me: good health (exercise, losing weight), hobbies, getting my financial affairs in order, spending time with family/friends, reading self-help books, making plans to go back to college and find a new job, learning a new language, increasing my retirement savings, and, basically, doing stuff to expand my horizons and make my life more interesting and enjoyable. Living for myself is an enjoyable experience by itself.

    After I upgrade my situation, I’ll date again—for the fun of it. From the start, I will make it clear to the ladies that I’m not going to marry them. I’m a temporary lover until they meet Prince Charming. Other than that, I may just go to exotic Asian massage parlors for happy endings.

    "I saw that there comes a point, in the defeat of any man of virtue, when his own consent is needed for evil to win-and that no manner of injury done to him by others can succeed if he chooses to withhold his consent. I saw that I could put an end to your outrages by pronouncing a single word in my mind. I pronounced it. The word was ‘No.’" (Atlas Shrugged)

    Asceticmonk
    Asceticmonk
    Participant

    Bar Bar (Barbarossaaaa) – one by one men are catching on

    no need for comment or introduction.

    #476772
    End
    End
    Participant

    I’ve really enjoyed reading through so many great posts over the past several months. Thank you Keymaster for making this site, this community, and thank you to everyone who contributes their knowledge and perspective. I figured it’s time to get off my butt and write an introduction and join the fun. Hopefully I can contribute some solid value here in the future.

    Thankfully, I guess I was one of the luckier ones. Although I’ve had my share of time with the typical psycho’s through my teens and twenties I never married so I never got divorce raped and don’t have any kids (that I know of). I don’t think it was all luck though. I was very observant at a young age and I noticed something was awry in the world around me as early as six. What was being said and what was being done was wildly different. Girls got the free ride no matter what they did while boys got the boot in the ass. As a little kid words like hipocrisy, paradox, dichotomy, etc. are outside of your vocabulary but I knew enough to stand aside and observe things without becoming involved in order to develop a deeper understanding of whats going on with human behavior. Well, that works well when your young and disciplined but discipline is partially eroded by raging hormones when your a teen as we all know. Hormones or not though, I learned enough through observation in those younger years to always handle my personal relationships just like a business contract. The moment the other party didn’t fulfill what was agreed upon I called them on it and hit the road if there wasn’t an immediate correction, no questions asked. I refused to participate in a one sided agreement with me on the losing side.

    As I got into my early 30’s the juice just wasn’t worth the squeeze anymore so staying single was fine with me. Although I had a pretty complete understanding of female nature and human behavior in general I never thought to look around for that stuff online til one day I came across a video by Manwomanmyth. Ahhhhh, there are other people that ‘get it’. Then of course AngryHarry, Barbarossaa, Stardusk etc. and several months ago on a slow day I punched in MGTOW into Google and MGTOW.com was right at the top. It’s really been satisfying for me to see so many men on a large scale understanding the value of bachelorhood and male sovereignty. If women don’t bring equal value to a relationship (which none do) then there is simply no need to interact with them.

    Let’s hope more men come to see the obviousness of the truth and make the change in their life to respect the value they intrinsically represent and go their own way.

    Thanks for listening guys.

    Mr. Man
    Mr. Man
    Participant

    Dig deeper and you will find Some great you tubers like Stardusk, Barbarossa, Coterie, Coltaine, Messenger Rising, Turd Flinging Monkey, Paul Proteus, HUman, Spetsnaz and Zubari. I think all these gentlemen expand MGTOW beyond Sandman.

    Wally’s right, these guys are the real heavy hitters.

    Wally
    Wally
    Participant

    Dig deeper and you will find Some great you tubers like Stardusk, Barbarossa, Coterie, Coltaine, Messenger Rising, Turd Flinging Monkey, Paul Proteus, HUman, Spetsnaz and Zubari. I think all these gentlemen expand MGTOW beyond Sandman.

    "what a waste of a life, to marry, give up your freedom, just for the hope of not dying alone. Don't get married Son."

    #449927

    In reply to: MGTOW in fake news

    MonkeyMind
    MonkeyMind
    Participant

    I see this increacingly in the MSM where they start off reporting on an extremist group and then go off on a tangent to link another group to tar both with the same brush.

    Some of the best MGTOW speakers have been from the Black community. So i wholeheartedly reject their bulls~~~ attempts to link us to groups that perpetuate of racisim.

    Barbarossa – Black
    Turd Flinging Monkey – Black
    CS MGTOW – Black

    I think the MSM has been itching for a MGTOW to go mental and become a danger to society. They’re p~~~ed because this hasn’t happened in the number of years that MGTOW has been around.

    We are a non violent group and anybody who starts talking s~~~ about violence is swiftly ejected from the community.

    #445230
    Keymaster
    Keymaster
    Keymaster

    70% of all divorces initiated by the wife, of the remaining 30% men, they were more than willing to loose a limb or two and suffer the consequences.

    Actually I have in my possession a legal PDF written by an attorney who shows how nearly 100% of divorces are initiated by women. Even before the divorce, she’s “initiating it” – passively.

    While some +72% of divorces are SOLELY initiated by the female, nearly 100% of the other 28% are women initiating PASSIVELY. Like this bitch from Oprah magazine and CNN…. who complains about how her husband still greets her ungrateful aging ass with a SMILE in the morning after 16 years of busting his ass to make her “happy”.

    Since women will even marry men – and stay in bad marriages / relationships – as long as it pays the bills. It starts to add up even more. Not to mention those who get married to wear a fur coat, drive a Mercedes and spend summers in the Hamptons.

    Marriage is nothing but a business and a bottom line and Barbarossa even used lesbian frelationships to show how women leave marriage in droves WORLDWIDE when they have their own affluence.

    All of this combined shows how damn near every “happily married” man is living a goddam LIE.

    If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.
    #444648
    Tawneys Bimorph
    Tawneys Bimorph
    Participant

    Hello there,

    Greetings. I’m an Indian guy in his mid-20s living in Southeast Asia. In my junior and senior years in college, I encountered people like Thinking Ape, Barbarossa, Karen Straughan and ManWomanMyth on YouTube. I used to play multiplayer games with Thinking Ape quite frequently back then.

    The videos these people made changed the way I looked at life and started me down the rabbit hole that is red pill knowledge.

    As I decided to share the knowledge that I acquired on places like Facebook, all I encountered was resistance and doubling down – Resistance to the fundamentally simple notion that the human male is a free individual that should live his own life on his own terms instead of being a disposable utility slaving away for women and children.

    So yes, I began my life in the manosphere as a Men’s Rights Activist – I hated PUAs though for I always saw them as carrion feasting on corpses, prolonging the problems. However, the reality of the gynocentric world, the nature of humans to pedestalize the female sex coupled with my loss of faith in organized religion (I was raised as a Hindu) in my sophomore year eventually lead me to MGTOW – It was not easy and the anger phase was excruciating (It did not help that my ex-girlfriend is a Regressive SJW and that most of my male friends are Blue Pilled White Knighting Simps), both on the mind and the body but I eventually got over it. Sure, I had to deal with a massive loss of friends but as Capt. America said: “The price of freedom is high – Always has been…But its a price I’m willing to pay.”

    I spent most of my time on other MGTOW forums such as Nacho Vidal’s old forum, MGTOWHQ and MGTOW.co. I did not realize that this forum existed and when I learned of its existence, I decided to sign up. I hope to have a great time here and I hope that this forum stays strong instead of disintegrating like the other MGTOW forums.

    Cheerio.

    #432697
    UKChap
    UKChap
    Participant

    I agree with you there Brother.

    The Kuwaiti men with whom I engage with are top drawer, well spoken and generally easy going, however, the women are vacuous selfie obsessed clothes horses who believe the world revolves around them.

    The Expat women pretty much have adopted similar outlooks as their Arabian sisters- so ZFG

    When I need to flush the tubes, then its dial a ” Western Cumdump” to “unload” into/onto. Amazing how gagging for it 45+ year old women are for Western men.

    Supply and Demand- lots of single or divorced women, mainly teachers or contractors working the US Bases out in the Desert. Very few single middle aged slim fit Western males who get to chose!- winner winner chicken dinner.

    Hump and then dump back into the contact list. Next!! No BS, no shilling, no hassle, Easy life.

    Cheers

    Its the weekend, have my non alcoholic malted beverage with Home made rocket fuel additive in hand!- Tasty, Hic!

    What dry state?

    Blend in here and you’re pretty much left alone to do as you wish,

    Helps to have a beard as well. I’m known as “Habibi Barbarossa”

    Be well fellow traveller

    Life's a bitch, then you're supposed to marry one and then die- sod that for a game of soldiers!

    #431784

    In reply to: Absolute despair

    Keymaster
    Keymaster
    Keymaster

    I have also had a few VERY – VERY – dark days, with more despair than that which you describe….. and on those days, I remind myself that I can’t fall off the floor. For some reason, things start looking better immediately, and sure enough the planets DID eventually align. Every time.

    I don’t subscribe much to “faith” that things work themselves out, but that is something I TRULY believe. “My planets will align again”.

    I wouldn’t recommend this video to you today – because it’s a tough red pill – but there is one video by Barbarossa that I have listened to (and shared ) more than all the others.

    It makes you understand that society WANTS you to feel this way. It THRIVES on it and your insecurities. About what exactly? About being alone. About being “stuck”. About being a virgin. About not having a girlfriend. About not being muscular. About being bald, short, broke, etc. About not continuing to have sex when you’re no longer a virgin……

    At some point i gave up fighting

    …. and understanding this can inspire you to make sure “they” don’t win.

    “Absolute despair” is exactly where “the system” wants you to be, and men are expected to EARN their own way out of worthlessness.

    This society STIFLES the spirit of men, but only if you let it.

    The biggest part of beating it, is not “fighting” and “beating” it, but a simple refusal to allow it to beat YOU.

    I sincerely hope this helps.
    “You can’t fall off the floor”.

    If you quietly repeat it to yourself, it can even generate a smile when you need it the most.

    If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.
    #425942

    In reply to: Hiyas!


    Anonymous

    Welcome home, Barbarossa
    Beer’s in the fridge

    #422562
    Keymaster
    Keymaster
    Keymaster

    Lesbians have highest divorce rate

    It’s anybody’s guess how they could ever be surprised by this. Hello, McFly!! Anybody home?!!

    Barbarossa broke this down 5 year ago.
    Fast forward to 19:00

    Can you imagine the BITCHING that goes on between 2 (pre- or) menopausal lesbians ?

    NO MAN involved at all, and it fails more often. Shocking.

    And the highest domestic violence rate between couples.

    By far.

    Lifetime prevalence of rape, physical violence, or stalking by an intimate partner was 43.8 percent for lesbians.

    Question: who do the cops haul to jail in a lesbian dv call?
    It forces them to re-examine “gender equality”.

    If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.
    #419351
    Joey Alfio
    Joey Alfio
    Participant

    I’m not going to be hard on Sandman. There’s no doubt he’s a great intro to mgtow otherwise alternatives for most people would have to be spetsnaz, barbarossa, thinking ape, etc and those guys are a bitter red pill to swallow. Sandman is light, easy going and kind of goes with the flow whilst the others throw the whole picture at you.

    Δεν υπάρχει τίποτε αδύνατο γι’ αυτόν που θα προσπαθήσει. - Μέγας Αλέξανδρος

    #417803
    Keymaster
    Keymaster
    Keymaster

    Thoughts Gentlemen?

    This “Male Malaise” is spoken about on our Manosphere page to a good degree:
    /manosphere/

    What to do?

    …. or NOT to do. That is the question. (*thanks Bill Shakespeare*)

    For MGTOW, the inaction — >> IS the action and a viable solution.
    And it’s a most effective one, with a resounding impact.

    The post feminism man is a man who CAN’T just march forward into his future with all the vitality you might expect, because there are strong forces against him. He can’t even go to college without worrying about the threat of some c~~~ bringing a false accusation against him.

    Fortunately, he doesn’t need to, because a modern college degree will start his life in MAJOR debt and the useless paper he’s paying for is about only fit for wiping his ass.

    MGTOW is not a forward marching army for change, but you have seen first hand what kind of an impact (and positive change!!) it actually makes in mens’ lives.

    Before young men’s lives can be made “better”…. The number one thing on the “to do” list, is to pull their spirits out of the s~~~ter, and making them realize the enormous potential and promise that lay before them. It’s not something the rest of the world wants them to see. It’s too much of a threat to the gyno-crazy.

    “This society stifles the spirit of men and I want OUT.”
    – Barbarossa

    Imagine if Donald Trump actually believed a single f~~~ing word anyone said. The forces against him were INSURMOUNTABLE. And he owned that s~~~. All it took was the WILL. It was quite literally the single most incredible achievement “for man” since …. Apollo.

    If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.
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