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This topic came up in another thread started by Awakened but I think it is an important issue we should address. Hardly a day goes by in which someone on the forum bemoans their lack of interest in work or hobbies, or general disinterest/dissatisfaction for the state of their lives.
I’ve given some serious thought to this “male malaise”. Although uncommon among the blue-pill crowd, It disproportionately affects us red pill men.
My hypothesis: As red pill men it is axiomatic that we embrace reality including the essence of our nature as men. And what is that nature? As men we strive, we compete, we create, we overcome…we triumph. That is our nature—it is who we are, yet we live in a world that not only fails to give full scope to our masculine nature but we are inundated with with negative messaging about our nature. We are told our nature is a toxic, that “real men” shold be more like women, that we should deny and subvert what we are. Hence a conflict between our nature and a society that condemns it.
I think the “malaise” is the result of internalizing this conflict, and basically self-censoring ourselves into denying our nature.
What to do? (After all what is the point of analysis without a proposed solution)
a) Deny societal precepts that conflict with or suppress our nature.
b) Engage in activities that allow us to embrace our male nature. (Building/camping/hunting/cooking is a good start)
c) Oppose any and all political/cultural/religious constructs that undermine or otherwise corrupt the purity of our nature. …i.e women and their machinations. How do you know you are accomplishing “c)”? Simple if what you are doing p~~~es off and annoys women—you’re doing the right thing. IF they approve —you’re wrong put yourself in check.Thoughts Gentlemen?
Anonymous43number one way to break malaise, focus on health. without health it is literally game over.
I pay $35 a month for a gym and I stopped going, working late. feeling like crap, gaining weight
I go to the gym, one of my students caught me there and sent a vid to the class. they are cheering me on instead of giving me crap.
in a couple weeks I have lost 6 pounds, omg I am sore but good sore. I want to go now. I forgot about health.
basic calisthenics in the morning, workout after school, bike ride in the evening.
Thoughts Gentlemen?
This “Male Malaise” is spoken about on our Manosphere page to a good degree:
/manosphere/What to do?
…. or NOT to do. That is the question. (*thanks Bill Shakespeare*)
For MGTOW, the inaction — >> IS the action and a viable solution.
And it’s a most effective one, with a resounding impact.The post feminism man is a man who CAN’T just march forward into his future with all the vitality you might expect, because there are strong forces against him. He can’t even go to college without worrying about the threat of some c~~~ bringing a false accusation against him.
Fortunately, he doesn’t need to, because a modern college degree will start his life in MAJOR debt and the useless paper he’s paying for is about only fit for wiping his ass.
MGTOW is not a forward marching army for change, but you have seen first hand what kind of an impact (and positive change!!) it actually makes in mens’ lives.
Before young men’s lives can be made “better”…. The number one thing on the “to do” list, is to pull their spirits out of the s~~~ter, and making them realize the enormous potential and promise that lay before them. It’s not something the rest of the world wants them to see. It’s too much of a threat to the gyno-crazy.
“This society stifles the spirit of men and I want OUT.”
– BarbarossaImagine if Donald Trump actually believed a single f~~~ing word anyone said. The forces against him were INSURMOUNTABLE. And he owned that s~~~. All it took was the WILL. It was quite literally the single most incredible achievement “for man” since …. Apollo.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.MGTOW is not a forward marching army for change, but you have seen first hand what kind of an impact (and positive change!!) it actually makes in mens’ lives.
Right you are—sometimes I let my Teutonic genes get the best of me!
I agree Pete but feel it affects BP’s more than us cause we’ve seen the light.
Finding your passion is good and working out is better but I have to say diet plays a big role too.
Since cutting down on processed crap and eating out,I’ve found my mood and mental state much improved.
I’m sharper,patient,calmer and more focused than ever.Lifes a bitch,but you don't have to marry one!
sometimes I let my Teutonic genes get the best of me!
I always thing back to the London Garbage strike of 1970. I was still daddy’s little squirt back then but I heard about it many years later. The garbage stank in the streets of London for weeks.
What did everyone else DO? Nothing. They waited for men to take it away. The impact was not about “doing” what men do everyday – or working harder. People took notice about what men do, when they STOPPED DOING IT.
Many times (in my career(s)) I have not seen my own potential or value recognized, but curiously.. when I LEFT, they wanted me back. Isn’t that strange? No raise for 4 years…. and when I give my notice, I suddenly get bumped up 30%??
It’s not about what you DO. You show them what you can do, and then STOP DOING IT and watch what happens. NOW they notice you. NOW they appreciate you. NOW they admit your worth.
But the key to it all… is knowing your own value all along.
Not enough men know how much they are valued and are truly needed. The world doesn’t want them to know. The system is set up to work against them… and strip them of their “egos”, vitality and worth.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.
Anonymous43km…in college I experienced worse. I was the harassed.
in the education program there was an advisor who regularly told me to quit the program. she would come to the school and pull me into the hallway and give me s~~~. she would bring the withdrawal forms every time.
my supervisor in student teaching sexually harassed me when she visited my school, couple times putting her hand on my crotch feeling me up in an elementary school hallway where there were no cameras,demanding we f~~~ or she would drop me. she sent me gifts in the mail, bought clothing and other things. in meetings she would put her hands on me, my hands, my knee, my arm. I complained to the ombudsman, a woman, and she didn’t seen to be helpful. it was implied that if I continued to pursue the complaint, then I would really be f~~~ed. I would be right, and probably dropped from the college.
this supervisor gave me an ultimatum and a hotel room key. I refused, and the next week I was in front of a review board the day after I withdrew from all classes and received a lifetime ban from the college of education. I was a returning alum, and my father taught at that university for 30 years, I was on the president’s list, and I had stellar reviews. f~~~, I had 1/2 a semester to go, and I was paired up with the biggest bumblef~~~ you had ever seen. this teacher checked herself into the psych ward two hours after school let out for the summer. disaster. deliberate sabotage.
$35,000 in student loans down the s~~~ter.I went to another college, took 18 months of classes and got my cert, no problem. hell they were very supportive, went out of their way to accommodate the court dates and bulls~~~ I was going through. cost me another $20K all this while fighting off the insane divorce court, Judge F~~~wit and the antics of the c~~~. oh and scrubbing driven out hoopties on a buy here pay here lot for $8 an hour to avoid jail.
I have been working with a battleship anchor around my neck for so long, I don’t know what will happen when I am actually free. what is that like? it has to be better than what I had and have now.
I was the harassed.
in the education program there was an advisor who regularly told me to quit the program. she would come to the school and pull me into the hallway and give me s~~~. she would bring the withdrawal forms every time.
I have been in identical situation. CONSTANTLY beaten down, until one day, this bitch in her 60s approached me after a well-earned “achievement” of mine… and tried to cut me down. This was not the first time a woman wouldn’t let me have 5 minutes in the sun.
I spoke back to her in a way that I never spoke back to anyone with authority… as my bottom lip quivered with rage. She was powerless.
It was then that I realized you can say anything to anyone – and win – with the TRUTH™ on your side.
I have been working with a battleship anchor around my neck for so long, I don’t know what will happen when I am actually free. what is that like?
Freedom means different things to different people, and if I ever get there, I will be sure to let you know… but in the mean time, I hope this quote inspires:
“The only way to deal with an unfree world is to become so absolutely free that your very existence is an act of rebellion.”
– Albert CamusIf you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.It’s true. Go to bed tired every night and you’ll barely have to worry about malaise.
Women are better at multitasking? Fucking up several things at once is not multitasking.
This “Male Malaise” is spoken about on our Manosphere page to a good degree:
Very well written. It says it all, the way it is – with 100 % of TRUTH (TM) on your side.
Identical to all of my observations and why MGTOW is the only “manhood” with a chance of survival. We are Noah’s Ark of truth with you as the captain.
What would they say in business management class: “MGTOW is future proof”
But so to say any other form of male life will end up as MGTOW one day. All divorce raped and “f~~~ed over” blue pillers or over-exploited PUA’s will – at one point in their lives no longer have any money left to impress any gold digging AWALT c~~~ and as a result he will live alone and start to see the freedom he now has.
That is why it is so easy to “trigger” men into the MGTOW “peace of mind”.
MGTOW gives these shamed and cast out men an identity. Cast out after women got their hooks in them and sucked all of their blood out like a spider… Men that had good intentions, were eager to please and worked like a dog for the family dream – and just because the c~~~ wanted new c~~~ – got shamed as a “disgusting” man all over the city.
He now has an identity and a “smack” word to fight off shaming conversations. MGTOW is the new word that says it all. And any further shaming will lead to people lurking on websites like this one here – and then, most people will say “Oh , he is not so wrong after all”…
We will be the ones that make a difference in the future.
“The only way to deal with an unfree world is to become so absolutely free that your very existence is an act of rebellion.”
– Albert CamusDid he talk about me? I always had the feeling women hated the guts out of me simply for existing.
And this isn’t a case of paranoia. As a boy my mother would incite the whole village to “help her” in COPING with this “bad boy” that wouldn’t obey her STUPID orders… (To do HER s~~~ty housework… I did it it “better” and now I don’t need a lazy c~~~ anymore)
And then – as a business man – in a craft that everybody needs but not all can afford – I would refuse to work for a woman’s “pat on the back”… Concentrated hate came my way when they saw me in private. That’s why I hardly socialized. People want you to fix their s~~~ for free or they hate you. If you want to run a profitable business then don’t let them exploit you.
You have to become “hate resistant” like a watch that is a 1000 m water depth resistant.
So MGTOW belongs in your life toolbox like your screwdriver or multimeter.
It’s true. Go to bed tired every night and you’ll barely have to worry about malaise.
Start a business and you will even forget the inspection dates for your car(s)…
I went to go see a doctor, and he told me I have a condition called being a cynical asshole. Apparently their is no cure for this.
Oh, I have been called that before. I replied that this is the “Socially unwanted awakening syndrome”… After seeing what’s going on with 1000’s of people in my area, I would have to have “tomatoes over my eyes” (German saying for foolish blindness) not to see what is happening.
The world made me cynical. Sometimes that is the only way to cope with the madness you see.
Laugh at it, try to avoid making the same foolish mistakes and follow your own path. Yes, society wants you to become as miserable as they are. And they will call you “selfish” for being “on your own sweet way” and refusing to bow down to their mass-mindset bulls~~~.
Going MGTOW is actually nothing more than “starting the business to run your own life” in a positive way. First “you MGTOW” your life and then you have the world open to you for all other businesses.
I would like to add one thought to the “male malaise”:
Men that are slaves, go along with a program – be it their boss or their wife – don’t have to worry over nothing and are seemingly happy. This is a choice of life and most of them are pseudo-happy work mules that “want out” but don’t know how. These men often “drink down” their inner sorrows and pretend to be “happily married”.
But the MGTOW man – having taken charge of his own life has the same “worries”, pressures to succeed than the owner of a business. We don’t have the social net that catches us when we fail and fall. So we have the pressure to be good and stay good at what we do. We don’t have a “whining self help group” aka “circle of friends” that comfort us when things don’t look so bright.
And we have lost our dream that any family would give us a shoulder to cry on and support us in times of need. Women are cold and leave in a second’s notice when you happen to have a tiny gap in your “hero-hood” and she would have to move her lazy empthyless ass to support you.
Male malaise is “The loss of a dream” we were conditioned to pursue.
In July of 2018, this honey pot forum was sold out to an unidentified NPC sock puppet and troll organization. Most independent thinkers and writers migrated to other MGTOW forums as a result of the never-ending infighting and deliberate trouble starting caused by members who were given "carte blanche" by the admin to do whatever they want. Before my departure, I only left a few thousand cat pics here to comfort and ridicule the feminist owners who now run this place. Their background agenda is to make MGTOW look like a club of losers the public eye. And during the course of 2019, they actually managed to destroy almost all other MGTOW venues as well. Here is the truth about "theindependentman.org" aka "TIM" which was created as an extended workbench to further divide the community. When you register, they install a spyware Zombie cookie on your browser that does all kinds of things the user does not know of: http://www.filedropper.com/essay-on-the-removal-of-malware-cookies-used-by-tim
This topic came up in another thread started by Awakened but I think it is an important issue we should address. Hardly a day goes by in which someone on the forum bemoans their lack of interest in work or hobbies, or general disinterest/dissatisfaction for the state of their lives.
I’ve given some serious thought to this “male malaise”. Although uncommon among the blue-pill crowd, It disproportionately affects us red pill men.
My hypothesis: As red pill men it is axiomatic that we embrace reality including the essence of our nature as men. And what is that nature? As men we strive, we compete, we create, we overcome…we triumph. That is our nature—it is who we are, yet we live in a world that not only fails to give full scope to our masculine nature but we are inundated with with negative messaging about our nature. We are told our nature is a toxic, that “real men” shold be more like women, that we should deny and subvert what we are. Hence a conflict between our nature and a society that condemns it.
I think the “malaise” is the result of internalizing this conflict, and basically self-censoring ourselves into denying our nature.
What to do? (After all what is the point of analysis without a proposed solution)
a) Deny societal precepts that conflict with or suppress our nature.
b) Engage in activities that allow us to embrace our male nature. (Building/camping/hunting/cooking is a good start)
c) Oppose any and all political/cultural/religious constructs that undermine or otherwise corrupt the purity of our nature. …i.e women and their machinations. How do you know you are accomplishing “c)”? Simple if what you are doing p~~~es off and annoys women—you’re doing the right thing. IF they approve —you’re wrong put yourself in check.Thoughts Gentlemen?
I agree entirely the problem is as we know you won’t last long in any job. ANd then one is not being trueto one’self and that gets one down.
http://www.leavemeansleave.eu
Many years ago when I was a lowly GS-5 HR clerk I mentioned to my boss/HR chief, (Man who was in special forces in Viet Nam) that the facility Director, another man would say good morning to me if he saw me in the hall BUT only if I was wearing a tie. If I wasn’t he would just blow me off. The chief said well dumb-ass he’s trying to tell you something. So from that time forward I would always wear a tie—UNTIL
Years later I was still working for the VA and NOW I had woman HR chief. She told me to stop wearing a tie–and here is the reason (I swear she said this to me) Only senior management wear ties and when people see you wearing one they assume you are senior management and that offends them. NOTE: Most of the senior management were women and at the time I was a GS 12—WHICH IS SENIOR MANAGEMENT! Why was this woman the chief of HR? She f~~~ed the facility director and had a kid by him.
It’s all sad pathetic bollocks at work.
http://www.leavemeansleave.eu
OH please PLEASE MISTRESS I didn’t mean to be uppity!
Ennui: A feeling of listlessness and dissatisfaction arising from a lack of occupation or excitement.
What to do?
Go outside and play.
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