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So I’ve been thinking about this for some time, so I thought I’d do a write up on it:

There are several segments of the manosphere (which apparently, except for mgtow, has mostly been co-opted by pua’s nowadays) whose answer to everything is “just be alpha bro and that’ll fix everything!”

I want to address the many problems with this:

First off, the Alpha/Beta dichotomy is NOT a fully accurate description of human sexual behavior. It is a handy generalization but it does fall flat in many ways. What do I mean? well the problem is, nobody really knows what an “alpha” is. The best definition that all the PUA’s have been able to come up with is that an alpha is basically: “someone who gets laid regularly,”(from chateau heartiste) the other definition they have (from Rollo Tomassi’s the rational male) is that “alpha is an attitude”

The reason neither of these definitions work is because whether or not someone is getting laid, or laid regularly is not constant: a man can have periods in his life where he is beating women away with a stick, and other periods where he has no chance in hell of getting laid. Same thing with attitude; in theory you can control your attitude (and thus “always be alpha”) but that’s not always the case, sometimes outside forces can really f~~~ up your mental state.

In other words, if you accept these definitions, then being alpha itself is not a constant. You can be the most alpha asshole on the planet, get hit by a car and end up a mess (mentally, and physically), never to sleep with another woman again because you are no longer “alpha.”

Being “alpha” can also be highly situational, whats that, your the tallest guy in the room? + 10 alpha points.

Or maybe one day you just did something the woman you’re with doesn’t like. congrats, despite passing all the s~~~ tests in the past, you have lost “alpha points,” better get your clown nose back on and get back to work!

And that’s what it really boils down too: entertainment.

In the past, maybe women appraised men on their utility rather than how interesting they were, but the days of womens-only grants, wic, and pretty much any other female entitlement program has brought most of that too an end. Sure, she may want you to buy her a trip to Cancun, but she doesn’t need you for that, also, she has 5 other guys willing to do that.

Now, its just who the biggest clown is.

Don’t get me wrong: women definitely categorize men into sleep with/don’t sleep with, (or alpha/beta) which is why the alpha/beta concept is a useful generalization, but not an accurate picture overall

In the end, it’s all about giving women what they want. Barbarossa said it best (paraphrasing): “game is all about giving women what they want, even though they don’t really know they want it.”

The alphas are just the guys who can give women what they want, while bartering that for sex more efficiently than their peers. They are NOT some kind of genetically superior superman that the PUA’s would lead you to believe that they are, because as already established being alpha is not a constant, so therefore confers no real superiority.

The actual difference between alphas and so called betas is not that great, the only real difference is that an alpha gets a lot more sex.

Which, truthfully is the better side of the equation to be on; and I’m not going to say “all game is completely worthless” (although I suspect much of it is).

What I am going to say is that being “alpha” won’t fix all your problems, being alpha doesn’t mean you can get married safely, it doesn’t mean that she’ll stop s~~~ testing (if anything, the hoops probably get harder to jump through), and it doesn’t mean she’ll actually love you.

Your just the best clown. And an alpha is just as replaceable as a beta.

So to summarize: Being the best clown (alpha) will get you laid, but it doesn’t mean much more than that, it doesn’t make you some kind of ubermensch, and it still doesn’t make women decent human beings that don’t want to subjugate you.

I think the really sad thing about all this is that men have only really even begun to notice how women really view men (as replaceable tools) now that they don’t really need us. Go figure.

Thoughts?

 

 

 

 

I’m taking Barbarossa’s side on this one. I think it is wise and prudent to learn from other people’s mistakes. Only a fool dismisses the disasters that befell others. (Don’t worry girls, there are plenty of fools. I’m not one of them, so move along, but there are plenty.)

​The video he is responding to is by Capt. Capitalism from yesterday:

​https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzFJOqf7UcM

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[KahnParticipant]

Thanks guys! I just wish I didn’t have to go out and learn it the hard way.

That said, you’re right, I got off lucky since I didn’t really lose money over all this.

John Doe wrote:

I am almost never impressed by a starting post, or any other post for that matter. Your post impressed me. I went MGTOW (officially, but technically prior to that) around your age, about 4-5 years ago. I think a lot of MGTOW focus on the relationships with women only, naturally because sex is a large factor. However they ignore the social repercussion with male peers. Manginas/white knights/etc. can cause as much, if not more problems than females in many respects. Women are a huge issue to deal with, but dealing with male peers can rival it as an equal. I think this is a subject that should be discussed more often. When you take the red pill and remain single, dealing with your “brothers” can be a separate fight in itself. Welcome.

I absolutely agree, The lows the manginas will go to attack you is really something, in my case (as you will see), they don’t even need something real or concrete as a reason to attack you. They will just do it because you made one of their goddesses unhaappppyy.

This is something that really needs to be addressed, unfortunately the only tactic I can think of for dealing with them right now is to just keep them at arms length. It doesn’t hurt very much when some random asshole attacks you, but when someone you think is your friend does it… well yeah.

Anyway, writing this all down has helped a LOT, so I would like to write the second part.

So this is my story Part II

As per where I left off, I got into university, my life was getting better but it was still hard.

hell, the school I went to has a reputation for being ball-bustingly difficult. Somehow I was making it, even despite a sub par education prior (I was home-schooled by my mother, take a guess how that turned out?), and somehow I was passing classes that even other people often ended up taking 2 or 3 times.

I had my failures, but the success were mine. Which means a lot after having your own mother try to destroy your sense of self worth over the course of several years.

But it was still hard in other ways, and the end of every semester was a reminder of where I had come from. I was poor and couldn’t afford to stay in the dorms all year around, so during the summer I had to go back and live with my mother. I literally had nowhere else to go. So I found myself, in my mom’s 1 bedroom apartment, after doing the impossible during my first semester and coming out with a good gpa, Crying. Christ, I had watched my fellow dormies go HOME to their FAMILIES, while my reward was to go back to the bitch that spent years making it clear she was just LOOKING for a reason to kick me out on the street so she could move the MAN SHE REPLACED MY FATHER WITH in with her.

and I felt like a loser because I wasn’t even really able to interact with women in school or anywhere else. This isn’t to say I was a failure with women, Hell, sluts don’t even care how broken you are, they will find you no matter what and express interest if your good looking enough. I remember girls that had boyfriends flirting with me, I even dated a stripper VERY briefly (I ended it, got tired of her bulls~~~).

But I was in university now, and I wanted better. And I wanted to know if AWALT was true, I NEEDED to know. Good old male mother need right?

So I ended up joining a dance club, It had more girls there than anywhere else on a campus with a 5:1 ratio. Nevermind that most of the girls weren’t even good looking, but I didn’t care. I wasn’t there to meet girls, I was there to observe, and I was hoping that maybe I could make friends somehow and maybe heal from my mothers abuse.

It seems absurd, thinking that and looking back.

For the first few months it was just fun and games, I found that I liked dancing, and whats more; I was GOOD at it. For a guy that’s been through a lot and questioned his own self worth quite a bit, to find that you’re good at something, even if its something silly like dancing, is very nice.

Then the fun started to end, A girl that I had been dancing with all of the sudden started telling her boyfriend I was making moves on her. Which wasn’t true, I was a bit flirty with ALL the girls, but as said before; I was there to observe and had no real desire for a girlfriend or anything else for that matter.

After her working on him for some time (and me wondering why that dude was so p~~~ed off at me), things came to a head at a dance party where the guy actually came to me asking if I wanted to fight him. I flashed back to my first job, prior to going to university. It was  factory job, S~~~ty work for s~~~ty pay, and what motivated me to go back to school. Only really desperate guys would work there, many on parole. You know what most of those parole guys had in common? Getting into stupid fights, like the one this idiot wanted to start with me.

I was gripped with fear, not of him (part of me wanted to fight him, not for the girl, but just to prove I could do it), but of a legal system that could, and most likely would destroy my life If did fight him.

So, I rolled over and played dead. I told him (loud enough for the GF to hear) that I had no interest in his girl, and that I did not want to fight him.

Neither him nor the girlfriend respected me after that, humans are stupid base creatures that way, but I knew something they didn’t and I had no-one to bail me out if things went to court. Of course, the girlfriend still hated me for effectively rejecting her and not playing her game, she caused a lot of trouble for me down the road (as you will see).

Fast forward several months, I am still a member of the swing dance club (I actually quit for a little while, but I enjoyed dancing a lot, so I came back).

All of the sudden this one guy (we shall refer to him as White Knight) starts harassing me. Little things at first, making comments, insults, the lot. It was strange because previously we had gotten along fine. He was the “Alpha Male” of the group, and we even hung out a couple of times. I wasn’t really a threat to him, I couldn’t keep up in any way really: he was a senior, 6.4 Frat boy and he was a member of the dance clubs leadership.

Then I realized: He had a part time (later full time after he graduated) job working for the GF’s (from earlier) parents. Holy s~~~! Turns out she had started saying things about me behind my back.

This was a real problem because now he was actively trying to make me look bad, and attack me in any way he could. I hadn’t given him much to work with, but the “Alpha Male” type is good at swaying his female flock’s opinion against one of the “lesser males”. (as a side note, this guy had maintained “secret” relationships with several of the females in the club, it may be safe to assume he’d slept with half of them or so.)

I am ashamed to say that I had little defense against his attacks, and he made me look like a damn fool (verbally) many times in front of a lot girls, one who I was even interested in for a time (more on that later). In a fight between two males, women will always join in to spit on the one who appears weaker. Years and years of my mother eroding my sense of self worth came back to haunt me now.. I really just had no defense against the guy.

but, I had one thing going for me, something he didn’t have: I was good at dancing. White Knight had been dancing for roughly four years. I passed him up in ability in a matter of months, because he, unlike me, had no talent. Some people just have no natural rhythm. And at the end of the day, this is what matters in a dance club: the ability to dance. This alone gave me the social status to not only fight back against him for a little while, but even (for a small while) win.

Which honestly probably made things worse. His attacks became more vicious; White Knight was very likely a narcissist, he always needed everyone to think he was “Awesome.” Which is probably part of the reason he hated me so much: I was not impressed by him like everyone else. I had crawled out of hell (living with my mom in a 1-bedroom apartment) and managed to get into university, as a person who had overcome adversity, I was not impressed by his stories about how great his life was, nor was I impressed by the fact he was in a frat. In fact, I had been in his frat house and SEEN the library they have the ANSWERS to most of the tests and homework for ALL the classes in the school. A lot of cheating goes on in university, and most of it goes in in the frats; a fact I was disgusted by.

Before continuing, allow me to introduce a few new actors to the stage:

Girl A

Girl B

Girl C

and the metro-sexual.

Girl C was a girl who, during the summer, was introduced to the dance club, she was not part of the school, and instead went to school in another town, but grew up in the area. Long story short, I fell for her.

Girl B, Girl C’s friend, whom she introduced to the dance club, and who wanted a relationship with me, and who I rejected.

The Metrosexual. Remember rule 3 from my first post? Right, that is based off of him. I made the mistake of trusting this guy and thinking he was my friend… Honestly, if I were to see him today, I am not sure if I could stop myself from killing him. As melodramatic as it sounds, betrayal is a difficult thing to deal with. He was the first person in YEARS, besides the campus psychologist, who I trusted even a LITTLE of my story with (my experiences with my mother).

Girl A was the girl previously mentioned that I was interested in for a little while (prior to meeting Girl C), but lost interest in because she was obviously just toying with me, and was at times downright rude. I grew weary of this, and realized she cared more about White Knight anyway (she worked for him). So I just didn’t give her time of day. I wasn’t mean, I wasn’t cold, I just didn’t go out my way to do stuff for her or talk to her anymore. It was obviously a waste of time after all. Not to mention she had dated Metro-sexual (briefly, he got into a relationship with someone else later) WHILE FLIRTING WITH ME. Yeah. I didn’t even know they had dated until later.

One night, she was sitting in the corner looking depressed, I was worried about her. I didn’t like to see anyone doing that, I went and picked her up and took her to the dance floor, ignoring her weak protestations. And we danced. (to be clear, there is no way to force anyone to dance). later that night, I wanted to talk to her, I wanted to smooth out the uncomfortable tension that had been between us and at least just be friendly, and I wanted her to be happy and to get along… but instead she just acted like I was the bad guy for not groveling to her abuse and wouldn’t talk to me.

This gave White Knight the ammunition he needed.

1 Month after this happened he came to me and told me he had gone to the police about what I had done (yes, you heard right, he actually conflated picking her up and taking her to the dance floor with f~~~ing RAPE.) He threatened me saying that if I did anything like that again he would go to the campus police on me, he even told me that he had received other “complaints” about me (undoubtedly from the GF in the first story), but wouldn’t tell me who they were from in order to “protect them” for fear I would “retaliate.” Yeah. This whole “We can’t tell you who complained about your or why because we are afraid you will retaliate” bulls~~~ got pulled on me several times through the year, including from the guy who I thought was my friend, Metrosexual.

I swear, if anyone does that s~~~ to me again, I will just say: “that’s fine, I will just retaliate against YOU instead.”

at first I was stunned by his accusation, then I was upset. I went the campus police and told them MY side of the story, because White Knight, during his accusation had even threatened physical violence…

In any-case, I had little support. Metrosexual supported me some because White Knight had rocked the boat quite a lot, and Metrosexual just wanted to assigned blame to everyone-and-no-one, so things could be all “good feelings.”

The only Apology I get from White Knight for his attack is “I’m sorry you misunderstood.” Yeah.

Afterwards I am extremely disenfranchised from the club, Tension between me and Girl A are at all time high because she knows that I know she instigated White Knights attack, Metrosexual spends a lot of time with her calming her down because their “friends,” I don’t know what she told him, but eventually I realize Metrosexual is cutting me social events and also lying to me about what is being said. I am simply not invited. Initially I don’t really care, except for

Girl C.

Girl C is a classical beauty, with a perfectly shaped body and a crystal voice. I could listen to her talk for hours. But that’s not why I was so attracted to her; silly as it seems, she could push all my buttons and had the background and personality that I thought I liked in women.

But even that was not what made her so alluring, No.

You see, in dancing you have varying degrees of synergy between dance partners, I have danced with many girls and this synergy can take your dancing to a whole new level.

The natural synergy I experienced between me and Girl C was greater than with any other girl I have ever danced with, and the more we danced, the greater the synergy became. I know she felt it too, we talked about it. Hell, I even asked another male dancer about this phenomenon, and he said he had experienced something very similar (he, however, made the wise decision to GET AWAY from that girl).

After about a month of knowing her I asked her out, only to find out that she had been dating another man for a month. I was rejected, and friend zoned. Eventually I got tired of this, and it was a key contributing factor to my disenfranchisement with the dance group. I didn’t like being used as a dancing robot, which I was starting to realize was what I was. I was a good experience, and the girls (especially Girl C) liked that, but outside of that I was nothing. Just an amusing toy.

Tension continued to grow between me and Girl A, things came to a head when one day, Metrosexual calls me up and tells me not to go to dance club anymore, that nobody likes me and that nobody wants me there. It was a long call, during which he spewed a lot of vicious hate at me. I was stunned, angry, and hurt. Everything. I resigned myself to this, I hated it to give in, but at the end of the day what motivation did I have to keep going anyway? After all the attacks, I was tired of it. So I said my goodbyes to Girl B, who I also thought was my friend.

Girl B I had rejected at some point, she was Girl C’s friend and wanted me badly. I on the other just couldn’t be in a relationship with her while thinking about Girl C. after a very brief “relationship (not even one date, just some kissing), I broke things off and said “I don’t want a relationship, I don’t want to hurt you.” and kept my feelings to myself, thinking that the summer would end, and I could leave this frustrating attraction to Girl C in the past.

But it didn’t happen that way, after Metrosexual’s Vicious phone call, Girl C texted me and said I couldn’t just leave without saying good-bye. I agreed, and we arranged to meet and dance. Before the meeting she texted me and told me she was “just looking for friendship” to which I replied “your leaving, so why does it matter” (as mentioned before, Girl C went to university in another town serveral hundred miles away) she replied back “as long as were on the same page.”

We met, and danced together for probably 4 or 5 hours strait. Just the two of us. It was magical, as I have said before, synergy between dance partners is HUGE, and the synergy, while already better then with anyone else, only grew stronger. The time passed, and the dances never seemed to grow dull. When we weren’t dancing we talked, and I grew to like her even more, as I learned more about her. We agreed to meet again later,

So we did, several times, and our dancing grew and changed. It was different, it wasn’t just dancing anymore. It was almost like were were communicating in this extremely intimate way with nothing but our bodies. I swear, I think she even had an orgasm at least once (I kid you not, what do you think it is when a girl falls to the ground, unable to stand, with a flushed look on her face?). Things changed, and I fell for her more and more.

But I fought it, I resisted because I knew she was leaving in just a few weeks, and I wanted a relationship. I am almost certain she at least tried to communicate that if I made a move she would be receptive to it (in that way the women do, where thy send you mixed signals, so it is hard to say). That said I had promised her, this was “just friendship” even though the way we danced was beyond friendship. And I also knew, that if I made a move, what would likely result would just be a fling, but I wanted more.

I wanted her to make the decision, I NEEDED her to make the decision, if it was to be made at all, because I knew, and was terrified by the reality that if I made the decision for her, and made a move on her, and it WORKED; then some other guy may well be able to do the same, and that in the end it really would not have meant anything.

Which was the truth. In the end, it really did not mean anything.

This is getting long, and is difficult to write, so I will start to wrap it up here.

I started going back to dance club, I was not going to be stopped just because Metrosexual told me not to go, I didn’t care, I just wanted to be with Girl C, and I even “forgave” Metrosexual (even though his apology basically amounted to “I’m sorry for what I said, but I still think you are the problem”)

God… I feel so pathetic..

Anyway, the summer ends. On the last night with Girl C we are with the dance club, we have a recruiting session (first night of the semseter) in which Girl C and I teach end up entire class of new people how to dance. It is so easy and natural, to do so. Girl B see this and sends a guy to dance with Girl C the whole night, and makes sure Girl C never gets any time with me afterwards. Girl C leaves early that night. I don’t know why. I don’t follow her, because I know I have to try and forget her, she is leaving after all, to go to that school hundreds of miles away.. Before she leaves she tells me she will be “very sad if she never sees me again”.

I am confused, It was supposed to end after the summer. I was supposed to forget about her and move on with my life. I did what she asked, we were “just friends” and I never made a move. Now the idea of continuing our relationship is put into my mind and it is like a slow poison that burns at me.

The next week I text her and jokingly ask I need to steal a helicopter to get her to meet up and go dancing in a town that serves as a halfway point for both of us, she tells me “Sorry, friend, but I am going on a date, maybe in a couple of weeks I will go with some other friends.”

I am devastated, the message seems clear: she has written me off, even after saying herself she wanted to continue.

I take a few days to think about it, then text her back saying I don’t want to be friends, that this has to end.

she stays back that she feels sad that I found our friendship to be sham, but will accept it.

I tell her I never felt felt ashamed to be her friend, that I adored her, but that I couldn’t keep doing this.

1 month goes by, I am under a lot of stress with school, but to make matters worse, I cant forget about her. No matter how hard I try she is like a ghost following me around. I have dreams.

Then I run into metrosexual, I beg him to give me Girl C’s number so I can go and apologize. I just want to see her again, to dance with her like we did over the summer.

He gives it to me, and like a sucker I go and call her. I apologize for everything, I tell her I’m sorry for being so dense, she agrees that I am dense, that says the past month has been hard for her too, that she felt betrayed by me ending things but that she will forgive me. I am happy for a little while, but confused by out conversation, and unsatisfied.

then I do something really pathetic, try not to laugh. Afterwards I wrote her a love letter, after one month of self imposed psychological torture it was probably something of a garbled mess, but in it I basically (VERY SIMPLIFIED) said “I love you, but I don’t care if I’m not allowed to do that, I don’t care if your with another man, I want to share a dream with you, please lets keep dancing, you and I have a talent, if we kept going we could become some of the best dancers in the world.”

Her was short, and indifferent: “I don’t think you really love me, I think you are in love with the idea of me. I am in a happy committed relationship, we will never dance again.”

at first I was relieved, I thought now, maybe, I can move on.

But then the nightmares started, I nearly stopped eating, 1 meal a day at most, my school schedule guaranteed little sleep, but now even the precious little sleep I could get became difficult and tormented.

Going to a difficult university and having a nervous break down doesn’t work. the sheer extent of the manipulation and vicious attacks leveled against me started to become clear, I dropped all my classes, I couldn’t keep going because I was starting to have panic attacks in the middle of class. I have never had a panic attack in my life until then.

I remember being at my mothers apartment having a breakdown after Girl C’s rejection. I had been living with my mom that semester because I could no longer afford the dorms. I punched a door, and was on the verge of crying when my mother came at me and started yelling at me to get out. I nearly killed her on the spot, and even now part of me regrets not going down that dark path. But instead I just took it. Shortly after my dad found out about everything that happened, and offered for me to come out and live with him.

I am now back in my home state, where I started before my parents divorce. I am with my dad and uncle now, even 4 years after the divorce my dad is still trying to put his life back together.

As for me, well… I am just trying to find something in life to care about. When I first got out here I cried three times a day, and the nightmares were truly horrific, but that has changed. I can sleep at night, the nightmares rarely occur anymore, and I have started eating again. I got a job, and am putting together the pieces.

One thing is for sure: I want no woman in my life ever again.

I am sorry if this second part becomes slightly jumbled towards the end, it was not easy to write and I am quite frankly ashamed by the whole thing. when you read it, you will probably be able to see where I got my 5 rules listed in the first post.

And again, any bluepiller or fence sitter out there, or guys my age; I would urge you to listen to Barbarossa and the other MGTOWs.

Women have nothing to offer, I know, I went looking for it. I threw all red pill wisdom to the wind in an attempt to do so,

at the end of the day, they can replace you very easily. It does not matter who or what you have done, they can and will replace you when it is convenient to do so, or when they become bored.

Something I learned from this is that you are ALWAYS the bad guy, regardless of what is actually happening. You, are the villain purely by virtue of having a dick.

And as a warning to all you blue pillers out there; no matter what concessions you make, no matter how many other men you throw under the bus, no matter how much you say “those other men are bad, but not me! I am different!” Remember this: your turn is coming, because you have a dick. Your a “bad guy” too.

Anyway, Cheers, and as a reminder for all my MGTOW brothers out there’s, Stay safe, and stay focused not on women, but on what makes YOU happy and YOU’RE dreams, because women will suck that out of you, and make you wish you never dreamed at all.

 

 

 

 

Greetings,

I’ve been watching all this stuff for some time, I am 21 -soon-to-be-22, and have been following Barbarossa and Stardusk’s video’s since I was 18.

5 years roughly.

My story is long and quite frankly very painful, so I won’t be telling all of it now, maybe later, but for now just some of it so that you can understand my background when I try to explain some things I learned and that I would warn any man of when dealing with women, especially things I would say to anyone who is sitting on the fence and who knows what Barbarossa and others have been saying is probably true but just doesn’t want to believe it.

I know what that’s like. I’ve been there.

My parents separated when I was 17, then got divorced about a year after that. What happened was we lost our house after the 2008 crash. We moved to live with relatives who offered to buy my parents a house.

My mom went ape s~~~ after the move, and she actually turned down the house my grandmother offered our family. shortly after she got a job she got involved with another man,  the separation was bad. The police were called, my dad ended up in jail because he told my mom he wanted her to leave the apartment we were staying in (it was owned by my grandmother, and my mom’s name wasn’t on the lease or anything – hell, I don’t even think there was a lease).

fast forward a bit, my mother and I are living in an apartment that she rented. The move and separation destroyed my life, everything I had or cared about was back before the move, and now I was in a small town in what most people would call “bum-f~~~ egypt” with no car or friends, and no real way to get a job, small towns are s~~~ty that way.

and I was living with a mother who resented my existence, and literally told me she wanted me gone (and threatened to kick me out on the street) so that she could move her boyfriend (the man she replaced my father with) in with her. she liked to remind me she wouldn’t tolerate any behavior that reminded her of my father.

…

But I kept going, I tried finding a job, when that didn’t work (hard to find a job without a car), I got into community college and walked to it everyday. Turned out I was smart enough to get A’s with relatively little effort, and Uncle Sam can be generous sometimes with grants.

Eventually my mom’s boyfriend cheated on her and stole a bunch of money from her. all of the sudden I got treated better, upgraded from “unwanted thing” to “pet”. Eventually got a truck, and job. When I realized the s~~~ty job would never go anywhere I went to my grandmother and begged her to send me to university, and she said yes. I am, out of 8 grandchildren, the only one she has ever done anything like that for, perhaps it was pity, or luck, or some resemblance to my grandfather that made my grandmother decide to do that, I don’t really know.

All I knew was that I had crawled from the abyss, I even managed to afford the dorms somehow and get away from my mother. I hated living with her, and university managed to get me away, not far, but far enough. My mother was hardly the only woman that’s been abusive to me, or even the MOST abusive woman (but those are stories for another time), however when it comes from your own mother it is more damaging.

During the time that all these events unfolded, I found ManWomanMyth, then Barbarossa when he was just getting started, and eventually Stardusk.

I needed answers, I needed an explanation, and they had one; Or, at least, were getting close to one.

I checked daily for new Barbarossa videos, I would listen to them over and over…

When I got into university life got better, but I was going to a school where the male to female ratio was literally 5:1.

My god, if you ever want to see hypergamy in its most twisted and f~~~ed up form go to a engineering school. That said, if there was ever a place to avoid women and ghost, that would have been it.

The problem was, I needed to see for myself, I couldn’t just take Barbarossa, and the rest of the manosphere’s word for it. I needed to see for myself, if it really was like that.

Years and years of reading books, watching movies and listening to love songs ALL of which tell you that love and romance is this great wonderful thing leaves a mark in your mind, it is a very pretty lie that is difficult to give up.

So I had to see for myself, this eventually ended up with me joining (don’t laugh) a dance club at the school. I already knew a lot of people in it,  so it was easy to rationalize it, but also, I wanted to spend time with women and see how they really were, to learn for myself rather than just take someone else’s word for it.

I also found (don’t laugh) that I liked dancing, and to be sure, there are few experiences that compare to dancing (well) with a beautiful woman.

Most men are only ever exposed to a very abrasive form of sexuality, but in dancing you find something much more subtle and pleasant: sensuality.

And I got to see what I was looking for: for the most part, even though I enjoyed it, and for sometime managed to keep out of trouble; I saw female nature on full display. But even then I didn’t want to accept it, and it wasn’t until a girl finally managed to get her claws into my heart strings that the true horror of what women are really managed to sink in.

That said, this is getting really long, and the rest of the story is very painful for me. I have spent several months trying to forget it, so I will tell it some other time I think.

but I do wish to share some things I’ve learned, practical advice for fence sitters and anyone else:

1. Never ever play “friends” with a woman.

At least, if you are attracted to her, if you are, she will know and will taunt you. Women do not respect their male friends, and if you get attached (which she will not, make no mistake) then you are in deep s~~~.

2. Never be kind when you reject a woman

Within reason, last thing you want is a bunch of white knights jumping you because you “made a girl cry”. I say this because she will not appreciate your kindness, and she will try to cause trouble for you regardless, so I would recommend putting fear into her so she knows if she f~~~s with you, there will be some social repercussion for her. Of course, this may not always be viable, so often the best thing to do is remove them from your life completely. Don’t hesitate to do so, because no good deed goes unpunished, and she will find a way to do so.

and of course, we all know women are never kind when they reject men. So why pay them that courtesy?

3. Never trust a mangina, white knight, or metrosexual man (mangina on steroids).

These guys will hate you if you have any success with women. They will hate you if you are a “threat” to their place in the female power structure, and they will hate you if you have ideas that differ even slightly from the blue pill norm. And they will backstab you the moment they can get away with it. Never call one of these “friend” because they can, and WILL throw you under the bus given a chance (ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO WOMEN).

4. NEVER. EVER. BUY INTO NAWALT.

Been there, done that. DON’T F~~~ING DO IT. NAWALT gets discussed a lot, and for good reason. The reason it is so damaging to YOU

and every other man in the world, is because A) it’s not true (Who knows, maybe there IS a unicorn somewhere, who cares?)  and B) Many women can appear NAWALT, but make no mistake, these are the most dangerous women of all. The sluts are easy to deal with, because you can see their moves and dodge their attacks most of the time, but NAWALT women are good at getting in close, stabbing you where you are weak, and twisting the knife.

5. If you do ignore NO.1 or just in general are spending time with a woman, always push for sex. Never put up with a relations~~~ with a woman if you are not getting sex or possibly loads of money (and that second thing will probably never happen).

To be clear, if you are having these nice tender moments with women and thinking that “this is nice, I don’t even care if I’m getting laid or not, just spending time with her is wonderful and makes my day” yeah all that is WORTHLESS, you will realize this the moment she throws you away, and you spend the next 3 months as a nervous wreck while she is f~~~ing some other guy, (oh, and she will forget about you in like… less than a day).

REMEMBER: Briffualts law is ALWAYS in effect, and she will ALWAYS be getting more out of the relationship then you are, so make sure your getting something.

And by “something” I mean sex, because women have nothing else to offer, as previously mentioned, any sort of emotional bonding or happy memories you think your creating, are absolutely WORTHLESS because she can forget about you and move onto the next guy without batting an eyelash.

Anyway, thats enough for now, I obviously have more to say, but real life must be attended to.

 

Cheers, and NEVER take the blue pill, if you are a young guy like me, do yourself a favor and just LISTEN TO BARBAROSSA AND THE OTHER MGTOW. You will save yourself a lot of grief if you can.

 

[KeymasterKeymaster]

That’s fascinating to get your take on this.

I’m truly surprised to hear that, and it’s practically the reverse of what we have uncovered / discovered. There is a widespread conviction that MGTOW actually ORIGINATED in the black community… with 70% of black American women being single – which is such a widespread problem ( the largest population of single mothers ) that it was featured on Oprah and Tyra. In the video, a black man says black men have absolutely HAD it with black women…. and talks about how they come on youtube as a sort of “final” farewell to black women in general.

It would seem to the outside observer MGTOW has actually hit black women the hardest.
… since women were encouraged to remove men from the household to gain access to government welfare.
The men were then BLAMED for the fatherlessness that ensued.

The Oprah feature flipped the script of course, and made out like black MEN were the problem and black women were shunning them, but that’s not really the case. In reality, they maintain black women have become so confrontational, even violent, and “unbearable to form lasting bonds with” (paraphrase).

Barbarossa (very prominent Youtube MGHOW video author) is black, more than highly intelligent, and speaks about PUA culture also originating in the black community. And the MBA Experience (Marcus Brown) has similar to say about it. The number of black MGTOW is astonishing and have listen to many dozens on youtube – even years ago when MGTOW was well below any radar.

Tenacity wrote:

I can’t see Black Men as a whole becoming MGTOW, most of them are losers, live off their women (or their mother), and are so far left indoctrinated that anything a woman does is worshipped. Matter of fact, most Black Men would call MGTOW men “gay” because if you live your life for anything OTHER than pvssy, then apparently there’s something wrong with you.

That is the most surprising paragraph of all. But then again, not really, because PUAs also compete with other men for access to females… and any man who isn’t interested in fighting (or competing) with other men for vagina must of course be “gay”.

Thank you for giving your view on this. Most interesting.
I’ll leave you with this if you’re interested… about where and how “game” arose.

/video/deconstructing-game/

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

HR Pufin’stuff cracked me up with that one.

@albert and your reply wasn’t too far off, since I had seen a video by Barbarossa on how some feminist actually went on the air and said “Einstein was a misogynist”. After all of his genius contributions to humanity, one of the greatest minds in human history, and all a f~~~ing feminist has to say is “Einstein was a misogynist” don’tcha know.

Even barb in his video takes a few seconds to pause, calmly inhale and exhale at that one.

Where have we seen that before? When that brilliant astrophysicist (Dr Matt Taylor) worked for 10 years to successfully land a MAN-MADE (NOT woman-made) probe on an asteroid 300 million miles from Earth…. and a feminist c~~~ had a problem with his “sexist” shirt.

SMH.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Good morning. @neverland

That’s nothing to get flamed for. Here’s a better suggestion for you. We don’t wish to do ANY moderation. Never did. Clearly states the only thing that will unapologetically be deleted is endorsement of / or suggested violence. Even the odd post from the very rare female who crossed boundaries didn’t get deleted.

Moderation should not be necessary in the kind of place we have created.

The very implication we are making “million of dollars a month” from efforts that cost us an ENORMOUS amount of time, effort and resources is flat out LIE and grossly unfair -in the face of our extremely generous gestures… including production and creation of promotional trailers for other MGTOW (Barbarossa) for no fee of any kind.

We did not create mgtow.com and elevate the cultural image and awareness to such an EXPLOSIVE degree never before seen to have that thrown in our face. It’s already been said, if they want the ability to post, they will respond DIRECTLY to what was posted back to them. Being here is nobody’s “right”. It’s a privilege. That should already be understood. And it wasn’t even 5 or six. It was 3 at most from someone who chose not to accept the FACTS.

We did not deserve this kind of treatment and it will not be tolerated.
If anyone has any QUESTIONS… they may ASK.

They will not make blind and utterly stupid unfounded statements about us, our agenda or presence here.
We are too far invested and have worked too hard for this. 18 hours today and I am still here. For NOTHING.

We are men of integrity… and those who hold integrity as a virtue expect hypocrites to account for their discrepancies or alter their beliefs. That’s the definition of integrity for those who are unaware. We will not compromise our integrity for anyone like this. Then they DOWNVOTE our members beligerantly? Unacceptable.

There is no need for moderation. Conduct yourselves accordingly in a manner becoming of MGTOW. Solved.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

@docfenderson

What the f~~~ is up with all the p~~~y manosphere infighting, anyway? It’s not helping and the people engaging in it just look like asses.

That’s my question. Nobody was bidding on MGTOW.com last March it was between us and the current owner for 3+ weeks. And as soon as we acquired it everyone was all suspicious “Are you AVFM? Are you sandman? Are you Nacho? I don’t need a manifesto.” It was remarkable. Then we get these pithy offers to buy it as if they can do a better job. Then we give /donate a VFX trailer to Barbarossa which he was very gracious about as a THANK YOU for his contributions, inspirations and efforts….. and then there is s~~~ like this.

We’re putting a stop to it and men will help each other out for a change instead of battling and climbing over each other to accomplish nothing. I’d really love to know where it comes from.

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@mike that’s an interesting angle. lol! Just buy me a beer? That would be nice. After today, I’ll have two. Cheers!

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Hi Rennie. Enjoyed your comments thus far and wish you welcome too.

You are not alone in thinking we had some afilliation. Our website was born of a concept originally presented by Barbarossa, who publicly announced he was looking for a place to “safeguard manosphere content” (back in 2011?) which we attempted to contact him about but there was no interest or response. Probably because he/others didn’t think we had the skills, ability or resources…. and we had established no identity.

Recently we connected with him shortly after the 1st part of the sexodus was published and it was very exciting to finally speak with him after we had wanted to connect for YEARS. A very nice couple of brief chats, and we created / donated an opening VFX trailer for his videos as a “gift” back to him for his enormous contributions. And we explained what prompted our presence here.

So we took another approach. “if you build it, they will come” and that’s how it came to pass.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[jack reacherParticipant]

its something Barbarossa has dealt with before but unfortunately I don’t have a good link. I think at its core the need to be loved by a woman, besides all the culturally biased s~~~, is a longing for and unresolved love from a mother figure. the gash we think about is the substitute for this unresolved love. but the bottom line is it will be forever unresolved because your mother will never fulfill that need and certainly no gash will or even should. you are left with the option of forever being a slave to the quest or recognizing it for the fallacy it is and destroying it. you need to be your own parent and give yourself love, or love yourself, and you shall find fulfillment.

[GoneGaltParticipant]

Welcome, MrLoco, or should I say Frank Grimes Jr.??? I wish I’d known then (in my youth as you) what I know now – you have a great chance at having much smoother sailing through life than those of us who are older and already have shipwrecked one or more times on the waves of the female species. Make sure you check the archives on this site to more fully explore MGTOW and people’s experiences – the audio shows by Tom Leykis are also great entertainment. I would also like to recommend that, if you have not already, read “The Manipulated Man” by a woman named Esther Vilar – the 1st link is the Amazon paperback link with the summary and book reviews by readers and the 2nd link is a free PDF download of the same book. It has a lot of great stuff in it:

http://www.amazon.com/The-Manipulated-Man-Esther-Vilar/dp/1905177178

https://dontmarry.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/the_manipulated_man.pdf

The final thing I’d recommend is to search for MGTOW videos on YouTube, by various MGTOW-ers like Sandman, Spetsnaz, bar bar (Barbarossa), Stardusk and others. The ‘manosphere’ is large but the core concepts are not that daunting and you will be enlightened and entertained along the way.

Once you’ve absorbed enough, you will one day suddenly start dissecting what women say to you and what they really mean, and you’ll discover you were living in a different world with respect to what you had perceived in the past.

Have fun and welcome 🙂

p.s. I just figured out that at this stage in my life at age 58 I am a Level 3 MGTOW, described below (I pulled it off the http://theobserverwatches.blogspot.com):

Level 3: Economic disengagement

Short brief: the MGTOW refuses to produce more than is strictly necessary for his individual survival. He will do as much work off the books as possible to avoid taxation, and will endeavour to remain in the lowest tax bracket possible without jeopardising his way of life and acceptable standard of living. (In my case I simply accumulated enough cash assets to retire years ago, I didn’t work off the books, but with all my investments in cash instruments I make sure I stay in the lowest tax bracket possible, as my assets can be safely depleted as necessary).

b) Taxation revenue falls drastically as beta men stop producing, resulting in greater debt and borrowing required to maintain government spending. (I could have worked another 20 years or so but chose not to).

Hi all,

I thought I’d pop in and give a quick introduction and say hello before I get involved with the forums here.

I stumbled across MGTOW about 3 months ago now after searching the internet for answers while being p~~~ed off with some girl about something, I can’t remember exactly what but it had something to do with some woman I didn’t even know acting super entitled in my local coffee shop. That search lead me to the term MGTOW and a brief overview of what it stood for and I spend the night researching it, finally spending hours watch videos from MGTOW youtubers like Stardusk, Barbarossa and Sandman. A lot of what they were saying made a lot of sense, and with each topic discussed I could think of numerous instances of such things happening in my own life.  However, I’ve always been the I guess naive type, thinking that everyone is good and that I should always trust others so I put down my agreement with what was being said to anger, and in the morning that anger had subsided.

During the first month after that, though, the memories of what I had heard in the videos the night before stuck with me, and, without consciously looking for it, I started seeing examples of the privilege, demands and scumbag tactics employed by women, and seeing how men, and society at large would, out of fear or conditioning, bow down to these demands and almost worship women. Over the next two months I began actively looking for it and my god, it was a mind blowing experience. Media, work, friends, family it seemed like everywhere I looked women were being put first at the expense of men.  It feels like the movie ‘They Live’, where the protagonist holds a pair of glasses that allow him to see things as they really are, while everyone else just fails to see it. I feel as if my eyes are open to the way things are for the first time, and its terrifying, but also liberating, exciting and empowering to see things the way they are. If ignorance is bliss then knowledge is freedom and I have MGTOW to thank for this new found freedom, and I look foward to following this path along with you all.

Hello,

Recently I re-discovered YouTube and while poking around found the Mayor of Mgtown’s channel, then Sandman and Barbarossa. Suddenly I realized there are other like me out there and have been checking out a lot of the content on YT. I have been single, not in a relationship since July 21, 2000. Funny how you can remember the important dates. I had had two prior relations~~~s that went badly, I got cheated on in the first and the second was a “feminist advocate” (enough said about that one – yeesh). The relationship that broke me was an on again off again relationship that was only like that because she was using myself (and her brother I found out later) to finance her life. I was Mr. Good enough for now but that she was always looking for better, always. She broke up with me twice and I took her back twice until I realized I was being used as a sap and grew a backbone. In addition to this and at the same time I watched my older brother get screwed by a pretty young girl for his money. It was at that point that I was done.

I’m glad to see other people out there talk about this. I’ve been shamed primarily by women about not getting into relationships and it’s nice to have somewhere to go where people understand.

As an end note I recently saw the woman I mentioned above and am glad I avoided that trap. She’s put a lot of weight.

 

[GoneGaltParticipant]

Philo: welcome! And if I’m not mistaken you got your avatar after watching one of Spetsnaz’s YouTube videos called ” Barbarossa – A Man Going His Own Way “, right? Very cool!

[GoneGaltParticipant]

What Ned Trent said! Same for me several weeks back – I stumbled across the “Sexodus” articles and then looked up what every term meant that I didn’t understand (red pill, beta, herbivore, orbiter, MGTOW, manosphere, etc) and then began a haphazard but enlightening trip across the manosphere in sheer fascination at the extent to which my prior ‘knowledge’ about females and relationships was wrong. I’m still learning but I’m pretty sure I have a good core understanding, which I’ve already used to ease out of beta friendships with 2 women who have been using me and which I’ve used to re-evaluate my past experiences with women, not to blame them 100% for what went wrong but understand the things that have been unknowable to me before. I’ve made my share of honest mistakes but so much of what I thought were my failings turned out not to be, I was manipulated into believing they were. None of my learning has led me to hate the female, but it helps to know what species of spider that’s crawling across your arm, a harmless Daddy long-legs or a dangerous Black widow.

My current YouTube subscriptions (I watch or listen to the videos on my wide-screen TV downstairs) include the following MGTOW or MGTOW-friendly voices:

Terrence Pop
Spetznaz
Aaron Clarey
Sandman
bar bar (Barbarossa)
Roosh V (really ‘game’ author, not MGTOW per se)

I’ve also read “The Manipulated Man”, which interestingly was written by a woman, which you can download for free here – it’s a great introduction to what women really are:

http://dontmarry.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/the_manipulated_man.pdf

I’m now working on “The Book of Zed” but it’s a lot longer than the previous one – both apparently are seminal in the evolution of MGTOW thinking – here’s a free download link:

http://dontmarry.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/book_of_zed_the_zen_priest.pdf

Of course I’ve availed myself as well of many audio and video resources found at this site in Archives – the more you simply listen to at random, the clearer things become. Finally, I read as many of the stories in the forums here to seek reality from what men themselves are relating as to their experiences, since one man alone cannot have every experience possible. As crazy as you might have thought women seemed to you before, you ain’t seen nothin’ yet!

Welcome and good luck 🙂

 

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Thanks for catching that SamMGTOW, and passing it on.

@a.Y. It’s been suggested on many separate occasions that we have some kind of a “MGTOW 101” as a sort of guide, and perhaps there COULD be.

.. but there really shouldn’t be. And that’s why we haven’t created one.

It’s very important for the MGHOW to arrive on his own in an unguided, and unsold way. It is much more valuable to come upon MGTOW after you have already arrived at your own conclusions and they have started to form organically within yourself. It can’t be “taught” or “sold” and I can’t in good conscience recommend a handheld guided tour where embracing a MGTOW lifestyle should – in any way – be regulated or controlled/compacted into a condensed crash course.

There’s being taught. And then there’s learning.

Men arrive after years (and even decades) of knowing something is not quite right in the world.
Just like Neo in the Matrix FINALLY arrived and shook hands with Morpheus. It wasn’t just a popular movie.

The MGHOW materials are presented here at random deliberately in a sort of “hub”, but all of the materials are free flowing unbridled thoughts and collections of experiences from individual free-thinkers separated by different lives and geography… but they don’t consolidate because we want them to. They come together organically and provide the visitor with the ability to make up his own mind – to embrace them enthusiastically , or reject them emphatically.

Male learning can’t be controlled or contained. It has always followed it’s own path, and I would like to leave you with that thought from Barbarossa.

/video/women-surpassing-men-in-education/

This man sat down in a room by himself and recorded that for the benefit of others.
Thoughts you’ll never see in print. You’ll never read that in a newspaper.
(but a feminist will try and tell you on TV that Einstein – one of the greatest minds ever – was a “misogynist”)

To attempt to train or educate another man is as futile as plopping a non-Mozart in front of a piano and saying “OK this is a piano and you should practice your scales”. Mozart was not a great man because he was taught music. Pavarotti couldn’t even READ music. (100% true!) Their understanding of music was never harnessed. And it was because their arrival at music was never contained, controlled, or guided that they were free to take it to places no others could have imagined. The whole idea is for ONCE in a man’s life to NOT be told what is right and what is wrong or what he should listen to , read, or believe… but to find this out for himself. Then on his own personal journey, he comes across a video (like Mozart came across a piano) and the music just flowed from there. It all just kinda made sense. A note. A word. A paragraph pinged something in his consciousness awakening a sleeping giant and the symphony spawned from that.

None of this is a deflection, please understand. MGTOW arrive here and they already know. So many introductions begin with “OMG I have been living and thinking this way for 20 years and I never knew it had a name.”

MGTOW understand exactly what that means.

It may take a while. A long while. It’s been said it takes 1/2 a lifetime for a man to de-program himself from all the s~~~ which has been pounded into his head since the crib. For once, we’re not gonna add to that. We will never say “here, come with me”. We’re removing the shackles and setting him FREE.

Microsoft tried to sell people the “Zune” as the best MP3 player.
Apple said “think different” while the rest of the world laughed at them.

They didn’t *sell* you the iPod. They just put up a black billboard with a white apple on it, and the words “The New iPod” underneath it. No picture. Just “The New iPod”. They forced nobody to buy it. The decision to buy it would be YOURS…. after you picked it up, held it in your hand, used it, and compared and contrasted all the features.

… and guess what.

If you have objections, great! I can’t even tell you how many times I objected and wanted to puke at MGTOW philosophy. Red pills taste like s~~~. An educated mind is one that can completely entertain an idea without accepting it. To know which MP3 player is the best, you would have to research and closely examine them both. So you’re already well on your way, just by the very nature of your question.

Welcome.

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If you were standing before me and a feminist, and you asked us “What is MGTOW?”… I wouldn’t say anything.
I would step back and enjoy watching the feminist fall over herself trying to sell you the Zune.
She will do all the work for me.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

Hello and happy to be here,

To start off I apologize for the wall o text. I have been girlfriend-less my whole life and of course that was due to fear/anxiety, parental upbringing, hindsight/foresight, observations around me, and ran off of logic/reasoning.  I don’t have a huge circle of friends but a handful of  trusted male friends and few close female friends. At the age of 30 I had a minor mentality change and I lost weight and tried dating.

Of course due to my severe inexperience I’ve failed horribly and now that I think about it the dates weren’t dates at all but most likely rather out of pity. My friends tried setting me up with women they knew were single and some that were single mothers as well. I being the former rational beta white knight and still fantasizing about Disney romance BS went along and was still met with failure.

I was met with 3 failures that taught me a very good lessons about reality in the dating world. The first failure was when the girl had me wait a week before our “coffee” get together only to invite a male “friend” of mine that I thought I knew, basically the whole thing was horrible and I felt like a third wheel.  From then on the guy that I thought was a friend clearly made it clear that we weren’t friends and although did not voice it, clearly did not like me bettering myself.

Second failure involved a single mom, I decided that night to socially drink and naively I let the panther into my room after debating the origin of a drawing that I drew a long time ago and ultimately got devoured.  Yea, one night stands are nice but I expected more and didn’t get that.  She later told me her fwb wanted to make it serious and told me not to tell him anything.  So, I cut off all contact and was left disappointed by the whole interaction.

Third failure involved a young woman that I partially knew prior for a year.  She just got out of a bad relationship and after a few months I decided to pursue her, we went on 2 outings and planned for a third outing.  The week before the outing she went cold and disappeared from me, no text, avoided me in public, etc.  She flaked out on me, I cut contact for awhile but soon later talked to her again to find out why she flaked, gave me excuse and told me she wasn’t ready for anything, so I believed her.  Made plans to meet up again but again, she flaked out on me a 2nd time and offered to reschedule, at that point I declined and never contacted her again.  I find 2 months later from a mutual friend that during the week she went cold on me before the 3rd outing she slept with a guy who had a notorious reputation of sleeping around, cheats on his girlfriends, and at the time had a girlfriend too. Her number 1 choice failed and she then branched to another guy.  At this point I was disappointed with her character but what was more surprising was the fact that she started to cross my path in public like trying to grab my attention and it p~~~ed me off quite a bit.  I was angry mostly for the fact that at one point she ignored me and avoided me like the plague then all of a sudden she intentionally started crossing my path in public, unfortunately for her I wasn’t stupid so I ignored her existence and carried on.

I was frustrated with everything and my friends couldn’t give me any useful advice whatsoever or any legitimate answers.  The usual BS like:

“I don’t know what’s wrong with you”
“You’re not trying hard enough”
“You’re trying too hard”
“You’re such a nice guy, I don’t understand..”
etc…

So I went on the internet and started reading, started researching, and I somehow stumbled upon MRA, AFVM, MGTOW, Karen Straughan, Spetznaz, Barbarossa, Sandman, Tom Leykis, etc…  I went on a marathon absorbing, listening, and reading every piece of knowledge that gave me some semblance of an answer to my plight.  And, I was surprised because instead of it being useless like the answers above, they were all logically sound and made perfect sense.  Everything that I semi questioned about in my youth have been answered not with BS answers but answers backed up by logic, reasoning, and facts.

I believe I am finally starting to pass my red-pill rage. I have recently declared bankruptcy(for being to nice to my family and friends) and am now starting over but this time being a little more selfish now.  I am aiming to get my graphic/web design career started and am confident that I am a different person compared to my 30 year old self.  I am now trying to build more body mass with bodybuilding and I am now more social with women than I ever was in my past.  I have taken a liking to airsoft and now just trying to move forward in my life.

Generally I am disappointed in women and the decisions in their lives, their choices in boyfriends, way of life, etc…  Don’t get me wrong, I love women, their bodies and their feminine traits.  However it’s really hard to find any worth in them now, especially when I am told by my female friends that I can only date single moms and unattractive women because of my inexperience and age.

Thanks for reading,

[KeymasterKeymaster]

@nihilgeist Barbarossa has articulated some legendary contributions to MGTOW. Some of them are so good you can’t listen to them just once. He rattles off some free-flowing thoughts so naturally profound, I found myself pausing to just let them register for a while. We feature some of his most legendary in the archives but they are all excellent. It’s like he picks apart a single thought, examines it from all angles, disassembles it like a Rubik’s Cube and then puts it all back in place, sets it on the table, and says “that’s all I gotta say for now”.

As a matter of fact, he made a request a while back (2012?) for there to be some kind of a “hub to safeguard MGTOW content” and the current MGTOW.com was born from that without any direct collaboration.

Sandman often speaks of more very specific examples and personal anecdotes, but Barb pulls his POV camera way back to look from a birds eye overview with his take on cultural theories. Together, there’s something for everyone. Stardusk is hugely underrepresented here, I listened to him often and there more to come. He’s got a million-dollar voice and could replace James Earl Jones as the voice of Darth Vader. Speaks very casually and slowly like he’s thinking with a glass of fine scotch. Blew my hair back when I learned English isn’t even his first language. You would never guess he’s German (totally fluent). So am I, but not to that degree.

Floored by the number of guys who arrive saying “I was MGTOW before I knew it had a name” and right off the bat, the know they are “home” the moment they arrive. It’s uncanny. Exchanging stories with other guys I’ve never met, who come from other cities, countries and vastly different lives who share EXACTLY the same experiences – regardless of geography – says alot about why MGTOW is very real, totally authentic, and truth-based above all else. Its no fad or trend. It’s what everyone is thinking but very few are prepared to say out loud.

Spetanaz is also a must, and can be pretty dark. Where Sandman will hand you a red pill…. Spetsnaz offers the bottle.

I find that of the girls I end up texting with, most of them are clueless on how to have a real conversation with me. What starts off as small talk eventually devolves into me letting them know at some point that I’d like to have sex with them. Seems like sex is the only thing we have in common, and thats all they’re good for. I get bored with these girls very easily, I’d rather work on my own projects and schoolwork and hobbies.

Take our word for it. It’s not just you. Female affections and interactions can be fun as gravy, but women are not the steak. So many things are much more rewarding and fulfilling, but don’t try and tell them that.

Welcome very much and thanks for joining.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

Hello. I’ve been drawn to the MGTOW movement largely by listening to YouTubers like “barbarossa” and “Sandman”. Has anyone heard barbarossa’s latest video “a response to Stone, on MRA dysfunction”, if so what did you think? I think barbarossa is very gifted orator, I wish I was half articulate as he. Do you guys listen to a many you-tubers? What are you favorite MGTOW bloggers?

Some background on myself. I’d say I’m somewhere between a level one and level two MGTOW. I’ve rejected the idea of marriage and consider myself a child-free man as I don’t have any offspring and don’t wish to make any.  I’m currently attending college and working on an electronics engineering degree, I recently earned a scholarship. I meet girls at school and talk to most of them, and consider myself fairly outgoing. I find that of the girls I end up texting with, most of them are clueless on how to have a real conversation with me. What starts off as small talk eventually devolves into me letting them know at some point that I’d like to have sex with them. Seems like sex is the only thing we have in common, and thats all they’re good for. I get bored with these girls very easily, I’d rather work on my own projects and schoolwork and hobbies.

Does anybody else share a similar experience?

My wife got a hysterectomy over ten years ago and shortly there after is when I started thinking something was wrong.  She was sounding like a different person.  There had always been little annoying things about her thinking, but now they were becoming more pronounced.  I recall asking her repeatedly, “Who the hell are you and where is my wife?”  I wasn’t joking.  Over the next few years I felt I like I’d been living on the edge of insanity trying to figure out what happened to her.  Even thought about cameras in the house to document it.  Thought she might be Bipolar, but it did not fit completely.  But I do think she has Borderline Personality Disorder.  In fact, many of the women I’ve been reading about here seem to have Borderline Personality Disorder or maybe even RAD.  My wife also has a lot of childhood crap that she will not talk about – like her whole childhood.  My life is an open book to her.  I don’t care, but as time went on I was not learning anymore about her as a little girl growing up.  I was not looking for s~~~ to hold over her head, but she sure used my past against me.  So she has always had more control in the marriage.  I have gone from being a roommate, a boyfriend, to a husband, down to subhuman housemate, back to a roommate, to a psychiatrist and now I’m like a teacher or some kind of supervisor over her and she is around 12 to 14 years old.  Now, I can see when she is baiting me into something (and why) and I just blow it off – no matter what. She lost that respect to be heard.  If she doesn’t follow up, then it really was bulls~~~.  Thanks to the guys on this site and others like Barbarossa I have a clearer view of what is going on in the minds of the female human species (vaginus trappus resoursus).

Over the past couple years I’ve been removing myself mentally and spiritually from her, but I’m not ready to split yet.  And why should I go anyway?  Just divide up our s~~~ and get out.  In the meantime though, we have a teenage son whom is not expected to not live past 20 or 21 years old and I can’t leave him till then.  Funny that I have always held most of the cards, in this relationship, but never knew it.  She was playing high stakes poker to my Go Fish and bluffing most of the time.  However, I never thought it was a ‘game’ we were playing, just two close friends going through life together.  In the end I just feel betrayed with years wasted from my life – thank you Feminism.  So much for being equal and fair.

You know, I don’t mind being wrong if it leads to truth and understanding.  I don’t mind apologizing if I hurt someone and end up getting to know them better.  But women do seem to play ‘games’ more often in order to get what they want instead of taking the direct route. That’s not living.  That’s not truth.  That’s not experiencing and getting the most out of life – its something much much less.  Death.

P.S. For days now I have got that song by Harry Nilsson stuck in my head “You’re breaking my heart”; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-kjUWcr7d4