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So I’ve been thinking about this for some time, so I thought I’d do a write up on it:
There are several segments of the manosphere (which apparently, except for mgtow, has mostly been co-opted by pua’s nowadays) whose answer to everything is “just be alpha bro and that’ll fix everything!”
I want to address the many problems with this:
First off, the Alpha/Beta dichotomy is NOT a fully accurate description of human sexual behavior. It is a handy generalization but it does fall flat in many ways. What do I mean? well the problem is, nobody really knows what an “alpha” is. The best definition that all the PUA’s have been able to come up with is that an alpha is basically: “someone who gets laid regularly,”(from chateau heartiste) the other definition they have (from Rollo Tomassi’s the rational male) is that “alpha is an attitude”
The reason neither of these definitions work is because whether or not someone is getting laid, or laid regularly is not constant: a man can have periods in his life where he is beating women away with a stick, and other periods where he has no chance in hell of getting laid. Same thing with attitude; in theory you can control your attitude (and thus “always be alpha”) but that’s not always the case, sometimes outside forces can really f~~~ up your mental state.
In other words, if you accept these definitions, then being alpha itself is not a constant. You can be the most alpha asshole on the planet, get hit by a car and end up a mess (mentally, and physically), never to sleep with another woman again because you are no longer “alpha.”
Being “alpha” can also be highly situational, whats that, your the tallest guy in the room? + 10 alpha points.
Or maybe one day you just did something the woman you’re with doesn’t like. congrats, despite passing all the s~~~ tests in the past, you have lost “alpha points,” better get your clown nose back on and get back to work!
And that’s what it really boils down too: entertainment.
In the past, maybe women appraised men on their utility rather than how interesting they were, but the days of womens-only grants, wic, and pretty much any other female entitlement program has brought most of that too an end. Sure, she may want you to buy her a trip to Cancun, but she doesn’t need you for that, also, she has 5 other guys willing to do that.
Now, its just who the biggest clown is.
Don’t get me wrong: women definitely categorize men into sleep with/don’t sleep with, (or alpha/beta) which is why the alpha/beta concept is a useful generalization, but not an accurate picture overall
In the end, it’s all about giving women what they want. Barbarossa said it best (paraphrasing): “game is all about giving women what they want, even though they don’t really know they want it.”
The alphas are just the guys who can give women what they want, while bartering that for sex more efficiently than their peers. They are NOT some kind of genetically superior superman that the PUA’s would lead you to believe that they are, because as already established being alpha is not a constant, so therefore confers no real superiority.
The actual difference between alphas and so called betas is not that great, the only real difference is that an alpha gets a lot more sex.
Which, truthfully is the better side of the equation to be on; and I’m not going to say “all game is completely worthless” (although I suspect much of it is).
What I am going to say is that being “alpha” won’t fix all your problems, being alpha doesn’t mean you can get married safely, it doesn’t mean that she’ll stop s~~~ testing (if anything, the hoops probably get harder to jump through), and it doesn’t mean she’ll actually love you.
Your just the best clown. And an alpha is just as replaceable as a beta.
So to summarize: Being the best clown (alpha) will get you laid, but it doesn’t mean much more than that, it doesn’t make you some kind of ubermensch, and it still doesn’t make women decent human beings that don’t want to subjugate you.
I think the really sad thing about all this is that men have only really even begun to notice how women really view men (as replaceable tools) now that they don’t really need us. Go figure.
Thoughts?
My thoughts are that it doesn’t make you any better. You’re still playing into the system of manipulation, you’re still a liar and you’re using manipulation to get sex. You’re not any better. You’re still seeing sex as the end of it all, the valuable thing, that will save you from your inevitable death. You’re just as much of a jerk as everybody else but worse you grant yourself an inflated ego.
You would be the bully because to keep this up you have to find the betas and the omegas and hurt them to impress women.
It’s been said before by better men but I’ll repeat it. The entire “alpha to omega” spectrum of male behavior is completely and totally 100% a reaction to FEMALE DESIRES.
Alpha = what females secretly want when they want sex
Beta = what females claim they want and will eventually settle for when they need money
Omega = everything that females do not wantDo you see the pattern here? The entire world of “pick up artists” are all sad, quivering simps busting their asses either trying to figure out how to give females what they want or trying to get rich off of each other by promising the secrets of what females want.
Females females FEMALES… it’s all about females.
Now, does anything at all about that strike you as being even remotely masculine, man centered, self directed, confident, elevated or anything other than abject pussy begging self abasement? Oh and the s~~~ they put themselves through to give females what they want… silly hairdos and absurd clothing, peac~~~ing and table magic and douschy behavior and everything from offensive language to physical assault… just in the hopes to slip another stupid female that they claim to have zero respect for EXACTLY WHAT SHE WANTS.
It’s so pathetic it’s almost entertaining. F~~~ those pussies. And I mean that figuratively… because I seriously doubt any of them would know what to do with a real, halfway self-respecting pussy if they ever accidently found one. I’d take my experience against that of any “pick up artist” any day… just ask them “How many girls have you had sex with when both of you were completely sober? I didn’t think so.”
We’ve all heard the expression “Why buy the cow when the milk is free?”.
I see pua’s as people who spend loads of time and effort trying to talk their way into the next ‘free’ sample.
I see mgtow as guys who couldn’t be talked into taking a free cow…
My experience is that no matter what it is that women say makes them happy, and no matter how much of it they get, none of them is happy for long. You can be as ‘alpha’ as you want by whatever means you choose. But the goal posts will continue to move wether you score or not. In order to be ‘alpha’, you have to figure out what it is at a particular time for a particular girl. That takes some time and effort. Once you have figured it out, you have to either be that, or as is more likely the case most often with pua’s, you have to pretend to be that…both of which take more effort. Then, you have to maintain consistent attention so that you’ll know when the goal posts move and you have to change to ‘be’ whatever the new definition of ‘alpha’ is on that other day for that same girl.
For me, the sex was already over priced way back up there when it was necessary to figure out what a woman wanted. If this was someone else writing this post, I would have quit reading it at that point where I had to make that effort… 😛
Can you imagine a situation where every time you wanted a bowl of cereal, you had to find the cow, figure out what the cow was thinking and what it wanted you to be, and then you had to deliver, or pretend to deliver that, and then pay constant attention to it so you’d know when it had changed its mind so you pretend to be whatever the new thing was… just to get some ‘free’ milk for your cereal?
Personally, I’d rather focus all that time and energy on myself. When the time comes that I really want some cereal, I’ll pay for the milk as I require it. It’s always on sale somewhere…
Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you
Good points there from all of you guys. As for me alpha beta omega and all the other stupid Greek alphabetical acronyms inflationarily used within the PUA community are nothing but hollow and nebulous bollocks. I hardly ever cared about whether I was to be alpha or beta or zeta or whatever to fit any kind of definition. And I’ll carry on giving jack s~~~ about whether I was considered a TFLer kind of guy for some while or by contrast a James Bondesque “king of all bedrooms with a great female harem group on my hands” to dangle like some supposedly “meaningful pimp paraphernalia” in front of male peers to make myself feel somewhat more valuable in whose ever’s eyes and even less so as the MGHOW that I am now. This is it, this is me, full stop end of story. Take it or leave it and get lost… … I for one (and for myself) shall keep growing either way and day by day, both biologically and intellectually.
Ned T.
I'd rather die a natual death with a clear MGTOW conscience somewhere off the grid than one within "modern" civilisation with a big stress mark on my forehead and a couple of dozen tubes plugged into my body. Back to the plantation..? Me..? Hey, literally: I won't ever fucking kid myself...YZERLMNTSIC
In my opinion if there’s a definition of alpha (agreeing labels are stupid anyway) is “never davalue yourself”
Or better yet what being a real man means. It’s clearly not about muscles, beard, beer, football, car.
A real man is a person who never compromise his integrity, his value and his thoughts.I see no better example of a true man than Daniel Suelo, a guy who has been living for 12 years without money and lives in the wild.
I don’t care if he hasn’t gotlaid for 12 years or has no money and no social power or expensive clothes: he had the courage to pursue his belief, to accept loneliness, to never get to compromises with his choice. This is what a real alpha man is.And then you have the definition of blue pill or beta if you want: compromising your integrity, your thoughts, your beliefs and your value because of women.
I’m tired of these mama’s boys who always know what women want. No one is good enough for these sluts who think they can use us. These sluts are a very big problem, but they are also a solution because we can use them in order to have kids and when the custody battles are going on in the courts. The only thing we need to do to win is to tell the judges about their reckless behavior,drug abuse,mental illness, etc. How hard can it be?
I'm married to the game,but she broke her vows.
The very problem exists within the title itself “alpha isn’t good enough”.
Good enough for WHOM? Women?? Who f~~~ing cares if something isn’t “good enough” for a woman? Imagine if a woman said “he’s not good enough to marry”. Any guy who isn’t totally asleep can see she just saved him a S~~~ TON of misery and money.
On this topic I would strongly recommend 2 outstanding videos:
IM ALPHA BRO: THE MYTH OF ALPHA MALES.
/forums/topic/alpha-isnt-good-enough/DECONSTRUCTING GAME:
IMO they are a MUST.
QUOTE: (also verbatim in our glossary) “PUAs attempt to convince you that after studying “what women want” (regardless of what they SAY they want) that game isn’t about – and solely about – giving women what they want”.
ALPHA and BETA are completely rejected terminology by MGTOW because the terms are defined by the FEMALE. The only time it’s acceptable to use them with any integrity or as examples is to describe and illustrate a certain behavior – as you said, out of convenience for others. i.e. “damn was I ever a miserable beta”. And even that statement doesn’t mean you are claiming to be “alpha”. It just encapsulates “weakness” in one word that Manospherians can understand
the only real difference is that an alpha gets a lot more sex.
That’s what I mean as an example of it’s improper use. (no offense meant, please).
It should not be used this way as a definitive truth, because PERCEIVED alphas also “get more sex”. You don’t ACTUALLY need to be an “alpha” to gain more notch counts. That’s a misconception. You can nearly pretend to be the dark gained lion to improve your score. But since you and I can go out there and simply put on a cuter outfit to “good enough” for women to sleep with… is no measure of my % of alpha. And neither is f~~~ing her. Her approval is as worthless as her disapproval.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.The very problem exists within the title itself “alpha isn’t good enough”.
Good enough for WHOM? Women?? Who f~~~ing cares if something isn’t “good enough” for a woman? Imagine if a woman said “he’s not good enough to marry”. Any guy who isn’t totally asleep can see she just saved him a S~~~ TON of misery and money.
On this topic I would strongly recommend 2 outstanding videos:
IM ALPHA BRO: THE MYTH OF ALPHA MALES.
/video/the-myth-of-alpha-males/DECONSTRUCTING GAME:
/video/deconstructing-game/IMO they are a MUST.
QUOTE: (also verbatim in our glossary) “PUAs attempt to convince you that after studying “what women want” (regardless of what they SAY they want) that game isn’t about – and solely about – giving women what they want”.
ALPHA and BETA are completely rejected terminology by MGTOW because the terms are defined by the FEMALE. The only time it’s acceptable to use them with any integrity or as examples is to describe and illustrate a certain behavior – as you said, out of convenience for others. i.e. “damn was I ever a miserable beta”. And even that statement doesn’t mean you are claiming to be “alpha”. It just encapsulates “weakness” in one word that Manospherians can understand
the only real difference is that an alpha gets a lot more sex.
That’s what I mean as an example of it’s improper use. (no offense meant, please).
It should not be used this way as a definitive truth, because PERCEIVED alphas also “get more sex”. You don’t ACTUALLY need to be an “alpha” to gain more notch counts. That’s a misconception. You can nearly pretend to be the dark-maned lion to improve your score. But since you and I can go out there and simply put on a cuter outfit to “good enough” for women to sleep with… is no measure of my % of alpha. And neither is f~~~ing her. Her approval is as worthless as her disapproval.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.Is this link broken? I get no video to play
/video/the-myth-of-alpha-males/I was bound to be misunderstood, and I laugh at those who misunderstand me. Kind mockery at the well intentioned, but unfettered cruelty towards those would be prison guards of my creative possibilities. This so as to learn as much from misunderstanding as from understanding. Taking pleasure in worthy opponents and making language fluid and flowing like a river yet pointed and precise as a dagger. Contradicts the socialistic purpose of language and makes for a wonderful linguistic dance, A verbal martial art with constant parries that hone the weapon that is the two edged sword of my mouth.
Is this link broken? I get no video to play
It did work for me, peac~~~ and all. BTW, thanks for the tip; I had not seen it before now.
Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?
Anonymous2Brainpilot, I would actually refuse a free cow because of logistical reasons. I live small because f~~~ rent. Where would I store a cow?
Alpha/beta bulls~~~ has never been a real metric. It’s womenspeak for “you are not the way I want you to be right now”.
Screw that. I am only one way. I am. And that’s good enough, because it’s good enough for almost everything else. Who cares what the cow thinks?
‘Alpha’ and ‘Beta’ is bulls~~~. It’s relevant to the woman’s age and what she want’s in life. What she considers ‘alpha’ in her 20’s is not the same as her 30’s or if she’s been through a divorce.
Fuck this planet.For a brief time in my life I to wondered about the Alpha / Beta male idea, then I quickly realized.
1. No 2 males are ever the same. One can be Alpha in a certain setting, then become an Omega in another.
2. For me to aspire to be an Alpha – I would have to compare myself to the outcome of “lesser” males. ( Narcissism )
3. And it is basically what females want to label you. — You won’t pay for her meal, then she’ll call you a cheap Beta / Your the kind of guy that will place your coat over a mud puddle just so she can cross over to the dry curb, your an Alpha.
The true Alphas are the Omega’s, those Omega’s can careless about a damn thing.
The very problem exists within the title itself “alpha isn’t good enough”.
Good enough for WHOM? Women?? Who f~~~ing cares if something isn’t “good enough” for a woman? Imagine if a woman said “he’s not good enough to marry”. Any guy who isn’t totally asleep can see she just saved him a S~~~ TON of misery and money.
On this topic I would strongly recommend 2 outstanding videos:
IM ALPHA BRO: THE MYTH OF ALPHA MALES.
when i click on the link it takes me here: /video/the-myth-of-alpha-males/
nothing plays when I right click and choose play video it takes me here: /content/hero/video/impact10.webm
I have no trouble playing anything else on the site…what format is it in, and is there a youtube link? I would like to watch it….never mind as I did find it on youtube….
I was bound to be misunderstood, and I laugh at those who misunderstand me. Kind mockery at the well intentioned, but unfettered cruelty towards those would be prison guards of my creative possibilities. This so as to learn as much from misunderstanding as from understanding. Taking pleasure in worthy opponents and making language fluid and flowing like a river yet pointed and precise as a dagger. Contradicts the socialistic purpose of language and makes for a wonderful linguistic dance, A verbal martial art with constant parries that hone the weapon that is the two edged sword of my mouth.
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