MGTOW Primer?

[A.Y.Participant 1]

Hello all,

New to the MGTOW forums. I am wondering if there is any compilation of blog articles, like a MGTOW primer? Basically I’m looking for a list of links and/or a book that explains all of the MGTOW principles. I’m already an active guy on the manosphere (I’ve read a lot of Roosh, RoK, some Roissy and some Rollo), so a lot of the concepts I’m already familiar with. What I’m wondering is what distinguishes MGTOW from the MRAs and general manosphere guys (the ones mentioned above like Roosh. Idk if there is a name to categorize those guys? Maybe PUA manosphere guys?) I’m also wondering whether there are different schools within MGTOW itself.

What I’m looking for is a list of links to the most important blog articles which will answer the above questions for me, a primer of sorts. I’m not looking for a 2 paragraph answer. I should also mention that I’m skeptical of some alleged MGTOW tenants for a number of reasons and so I’m looking to see if my objections get answered in the primer.

[…Spectator 1165]

@a.Y.: Hello and welcome to the forums. I’ll be sure to write 3 or more paragraphs just for YOU hahahahaha. When I first came here I was just so happy to find this place that I didn’t look for quick solutions. My take on MGTOW is that is a personal and individual thing for each person. That being said, you will see here a wide range of opinions about what MGTOW is as it is different for everyone.

One of our esteemed members RayBandaku created a topic that I think will be a good read for you here:

/forums/topic/10-rules-of-mgtow-whats-your-10-rules/ which is a good starting place to get the spirit of what is going on.

You also should seek out the help and wisdom of KeyMaster who is the boss here. When I first came here he helped explain how MGTOW is NOT a movement. It is NOT the MRA. Watch his posts and you’ll get the idea.

I personally see MGTOW as a growing social internet based consciousness. Since it is a new group of ideas and thousands of men all over the world, it is a growing thinking living SPIRIT as well. Asking for a primer is, well, a little ridiculous my friend. We don’t have a cliff notes version asaik. MGTOW is an individual thing and as soon as you define it into a box, it is going to grow into something larger and different since it is a fluid consciousness. You’ll need to do the reading and form your own opinions. Whatever your objections are, just POST ‘EM UP! I’m sure one of the vets will explain. Welcome to the forums man!

[AntaresParticipant 208]

There aren’t schools of MGTOW per say, but most of us agree there are four vague levels. Because every man defines MGTOW his own way, each man is a school of thought unto himself.  In theory. I think in practice we’ll see it evolve to a mentor/disciple lineage. All along human history there have been masters, who adopted students (or students who adopted them) ranging from philosophers to martial arts schools. They often fall under umbrella categories, but honed it to suit what they believed.

If you want the short version between MGTOW and MRA,  MRA fight for rights because they think there’s hope. MGTOW believe it’s a lost cause and have forsaken women all together. This isn’t to say you can’t be both, as MGTOW is what you decide, I’m just generalizing. Also MGTOW is more a philosophy, while MRA is more a movement.

I don’t have articles, but there are some great youtube channels.  Each has their own take, but I most enjoy Sandman. If you want some hard hitting philosophy, look up Stardusk compilations part 1 and 2.

Price is what you pay, value is what you get. -- Ben Graham

[SamMGTOWParticipant 95]

It might be difficult to provide you with pages of MGTOW philosophy. This is because MGTOW philosophy is not all encompassing, dogmatic, and organized in a hierarchy. You will find MGTOWS from all walks of life. Some MGTOWS have sworn off female relationships completely and ghost, some have short term relationships, but the basic idea is in mitigating your exposure to risk as much as you are comfortable with in all areas of your life. So you will not be able to find any authority of the MGTOW philosophy (there are no actual leaders), that will be able to preach that MGTOWS need to practice x,y,and z absolutely. All MGTOWS recognize this definition however.

M.G.T.O.W – Men Going Their Own Way is a statement of self-ownership, where the modern man preserves and protects his own sovereignty above all else. It is the manifestation of one word: “No”. Ejecting silly preconceptions and cultural definitions of what a “man” is. Looking to no one else for social cues. Refusing to bow, serve and kneel for the opportunity to be treated like a disposable utility. And, living according to his own best interests in a world which would rather he didn’t.

So the way each MGTOW goes about protecting his sovereignty may vary. But every MGTOW knows that the tables are rigged against him, and the cultural pressures placed on him controlling his identity as a man are not with his best interests at heart. MRAs feel that they can fix this with things like protesting. A MGTOW is an individual who takes control of his life in the here and now for the better. Regardless of what others think of him. Not through lobbying, pleading, and begging the government and gynocentric culture to change. But through recognizing that your own individual actions can have huge ramifications for society at large, and you don’t need to forcefully make others submit to your will to achieve this. Control the direction of your own life regardless of what environment around you. However, if you can be more specific about some of your skepticism with MGTOW principles it will be easy for me to answer you directly instead of referring you to a page that may or may not be of assistance. Fire away.

[…Spectator 1165]

Wow SamMGTOW great post!

[SamMGTOWParticipant 95]

*Update. Just read a post by Keymaster regarding posting a FAQ page. Think he said it would go up tonight or tomorrow. Might try checking that out and seeing if it answers some questions you have.

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

Great stuff here, guys. I’m consistently impressed with the level of thought and articulation that goes into posts like these… and knowing that this is all individual men speaking “off the cuff” about their beliefs and their own perspectives and experiences makes it all the better.

It represents to me one of the most fundamental principles of MGTOW… that not only are we each choosing our own path through life but we are free to share our opinions and ideas with each other in a culture of respect where all ideas (save those which are deliberately malicious toward others) are valued equally.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Thanks for catching that SamMGTOW, and passing it on.

@a.Y. It’s been suggested on many separate occasions that we have some kind of a “MGTOW 101” as a sort of guide, and perhaps there COULD be.

.. but there really shouldn’t be. And that’s why we haven’t created one.

It’s very important for the MGHOW to arrive on his own in an unguided, and unsold way. It is much more valuable to come upon MGTOW after you have already arrived at your own conclusions and they have started to form organically within yourself. It can’t be “taught” or “sold” and I can’t in good conscience recommend a handheld guided tour where embracing a MGTOW lifestyle should – in any way – be regulated or controlled/compacted into a condensed crash course.

There’s being taught. And then there’s learning.

Men arrive after years (and even decades) of knowing something is not quite right in the world.
Just like Neo in the Matrix FINALLY arrived and shook hands with Morpheus. It wasn’t just a popular movie.

The MGHOW materials are presented here at random deliberately in a sort of “hub”, but all of the materials are free flowing unbridled thoughts and collections of experiences from individual free-thinkers separated by different lives and geography… but they don’t consolidate because we want them to. They come together organically and provide the visitor with the ability to make up his own mind – to embrace them enthusiastically , or reject them emphatically.

Male learning can’t be controlled or contained. It has always followed it’s own path, and I would like to leave you with that thought from Barbarossa.

/video/women-surpassing-men-in-education/

This man sat down in a room by himself and recorded that for the benefit of others.
Thoughts you’ll never see in print. You’ll never read that in a newspaper.
(but a feminist will try and tell you on TV that Einstein – one of the greatest minds ever – was a “misogynist”)

To attempt to train or educate another man is as futile as plopping a non-Mozart in front of a piano and saying “OK this is a piano and you should practice your scales”. Mozart was not a great man because he was taught music. Pavarotti couldn’t even READ music. (100% true!) Their understanding of music was never harnessed. And it was because their arrival at music was never contained, controlled, or guided that they were free to take it to places no others could have imagined. The whole idea is for ONCE in a man’s life to NOT be told what is right and what is wrong or what he should listen to , read, or believe… but to find this out for himself. Then on his own personal journey, he comes across a video (like Mozart came across a piano) and the music just flowed from there. It all just kinda made sense. A note. A word. A paragraph pinged something in his consciousness awakening a sleeping giant and the symphony spawned from that.

None of this is a deflection, please understand. MGTOW arrive here and they already know. So many introductions begin with “OMG I have been living and thinking this way for 20 years and I never knew it had a name.”

MGTOW understand exactly what that means.

It may take a while. A long while. It’s been said it takes 1/2 a lifetime for a man to de-program himself from all the s~~~ which has been pounded into his head since the crib. For once, we’re not gonna add to that. We will never say “here, come with me”. We’re removing the shackles and setting him FREE.

Microsoft tried to sell people the “Zune” as the best MP3 player.
Apple said “think different” while the rest of the world laughed at them.

They didn’t *sell* you the iPod. They just put up a black billboard with a white apple on it, and the words “The New iPod” underneath it. No picture. Just “The New iPod”. They forced nobody to buy it. The decision to buy it would be YOURS…. after you picked it up, held it in your hand, used it, and compared and contrasted all the features.

… and guess what.

If you have objections, great! I can’t even tell you how many times I objected and wanted to puke at MGTOW philosophy. Red pills taste like s~~~. An educated mind is one that can completely entertain an idea without accepting it. To know which MP3 player is the best, you would have to research and closely examine them both. So you’re already well on your way, just by the very nature of your question.

Welcome.

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If you were standing before me and a feminist, and you asked us “What is MGTOW?”… I wouldn’t say anything.
I would step back and enjoy watching the feminist fall over herself trying to sell you the Zune.
She will do all the work for me.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Almost immediately after posting above about a MGTOW Primer / MGTOW 101… some joker showed up in the forum saying “Guys, I few things that you really need to hear”.

/forums/topic/guys-i-have-a-few-things-which-you-need-to-hear/

Avoiding that sort of thing is what I was talking about – presuming to tell other men what we think they NEED to hear. Thought it was an amazing coincidence almost immediately after saying a MGTOW 101 Primer may not really be recommended or beneficial. However if requests for it continue we may allow the visitor to filter by highest rated or most viewed – or most commented on. We just need more visitors to rate, and comment in order to present that accurately.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Anonymous 5]

The MGTOW Primer/101/FAQS should just be the morpheus quote. Something like “I can only offer you a choice/pill, whether you choose to accept it is up to you.” I am too lazy to google the actual quote lol.

Or something simple: “You already know the truth because you found us, now you can choose to accept it or continue being a mangina.”

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