Thinking about the Meaning of MGTOW

[CaliParticipant 753]

I’ve been contemplating the meaning of MGTOW lately. Here are some thoughts that came to me recently.

As this site says, MGTOW is all about men’s sovereignty. Different men may live out MGTOW in different ways, but however they live, MGTOW means that a man strives to maximize and maintain his sovereignty in life.

We all agree that MGTOW isn’t a movement, but is more of a philosophy or a lifestyle. There is no one leader. There is no one rule-maker. There is no one person who can tell MGTOW what to do. This means both that there is a great variety in the way MGTOW live and a great deal of disagreement between MGTOW.

Many people disagree with the definition of MGTOW. Most definitions of MGTOW center around a MGTOW’s relationship to the women around him due to the fact that, next to the government (and largely because of it), women are the greatest potential and/or actual threat to a man’s sovereignty in the West. Some say that it is possible to be MGTOW as long as one is avoiding legally vulnerable positions such as legal marriage or cohabitation in which a man can be completely taken advantage of with great ease. Others contend that MGTOW means avoiding even having a long-term girlfriend and only pumping and dumping. Still others say that MGTOW must avoid women altogether. What do you all think about this? I personally think that there is a bit of a blurry line at times. Some men cohabitate in their girlfriends’ houses, so they wouldn’t lose anything if they were kicked out. Can they be MGTOW? Some men move abroad to a country with equitable and reasonable laws to marry, but they maintain their sovereignty over their lives. Can those men be MGTOW, seeing as they are still maximizing their sovereignty?

In the end, MGTOW really isn’t about women. If women vanished today, MGTOW would still have a place in the world. MGTOW is a life philosophy which spans across all aspects of life, which is why this forum has such a rich variety of topics.

MGTOW have a general interest in helping men across the world gain wisdom and understanding to avoid common pitfalls and find clear, correct perspective on the issues in their lives that need the most attention. Young men today, for instance, often don’t realize that as they build value in life and grow older, they will experience greater success with women. Men across the world often fail to realize just how many lies are embedded in Western culture. Many men don’t understand basic economic principles. MGTOW is an unprecedented opportunity facilitated by the internet to help men to gain wisdom and insight, no matter its source.

MGTOW has helped me greatly. I discovered it when I was almost 18, and now I’m 21. I’ve been growing and learning a great deal over the past few years, and I am thoroughly looking forward to graduating from college and gaining more and more experience. MGTOW was a refuge from me when I was living at home in a toxic environment with my parents, and it has helped me strive to approach my relationship with my parents from a more independent position, leading them to be much nicer and more supporting to me. Content producers like Coterie, TFM, and Terrence Popp have given me a great deal of wisdom, and I still binge Tom Leykis often when I’m tired of the bulls~~~ in my life and want to hear wisdom from a man who rose above the bulls~~~ in his life.

Even redpilled content producers who aren’t MGTOW such as Aaron Clarey, Rollo Tomassi, Caleb Jones, Dalrock, and Roissy have helped me learn and grow. At times, the entertainment provided by the redpill community kept me sane in particularly stressful and discouraging situations.

The perspectives I have gained from the red pill community has given me help I have never received from others around me. It has given me greater potential and helped me learn principles for strength as a man. In many ways, it has taken the place of my own father and undone the delusional programming given to me by my mother.

I highly recommend the red pill to others, and I look forward to seeing where the MGTOW and red pill philosophies go over the coming years.

Just a misogynist virgin hiding away in his mother's basement. Nothing to see here...

[CarnageParticipant 22113]

Mgtow? Ohhhh, yeah, well cant help you, i dont know much about rusian jets.

That time of the year again?

To those following me, be careful, I just farted. Men those beans are killers.

[JB BooksParticipant 3182]

Blurry lines…. Personally, if/when they crop up, it’s usually a HUGE red flag for me. As they say, many a MGHOW is only a BJ away from returning to the plantation. I recognize and acknowledge the “blurry line” as quickly as possible and think carefully about my necessary GMOW border requirements, the situational options, and their ramifications.

We just don't realize life's most significant events while they're happening. Back then, I thought, "Well, there'll be other days". I didn't realize that that was the only day. - "Moonlight" Graham

[JB BooksParticipant 3182]

Oh yeah, and the part about cohabitating at the girlfriend’s place… Avoid that it almost all costs. Once you start living at the girlfriends, she can boot you out at a moment’s notice and you may have a lot of critical stuff there. Not only that, but she’s planning the next step, which is for the two of you to rent or own together. Best BY FAR to have your own crib if you’re not at your parents’ place.

We just don't realize life's most significant events while they're happening. Back then, I thought, "Well, there'll be other days". I didn't realize that that was the only day. - "Moonlight" Graham

[MonkParticipant 16979]

JB Books wrote:

[…] Not only that, but she’s planning the next step, which is for the two of you to rent or own together.

… and the ‘accidental’ pregnancy, together with the 20 years of unearned income that comes with it.

[Ranger OneParticipant 16836]

Carnage wrote:

Mgtow? Ohhhh, yeah, well cant help you, i dont know much about rusian jets.
That time of the year again?

I can help: MGTOW means Maximum Gross TakeOff Weight.

All my life I've had doubts about who I am, where I belonged. Now I'm like the arrow that springs from the bow. No hesitation, no doubts. The path is clear. And what are you? Alive. Everything else is negotiable. Women have rights; men have responsibilities; MGTOW have freedom. Marriage is for chumps. If someone stands in the way of true justice, you simply walk up behind them and stab them in the heart-R'as al Ghul.

[CarnageParticipant 22113]

Ranger One wrote:

Carnage wrote:

Mgtow? Ohhhh, yeah, well cant help you, i dont know much about rusian jets.That time of the year again?

I can help: MGTOW means Maximum Gross TakeOff Weight.

Ohh i see, thanks ranger.

To those following me, be careful, I just farted. Men those beans are killers.

[TaxGuyParticipant]

I’ve always liked the quote “Life is 10% what happens to you and 90% what you do about it.” There will be things that happen to you that you can’t control, but you can control your reaction. In other words, it’s YOUR life. You and only you are responsible for your life.

Now as far as women goes, you’ve read enough stories here to make a decision about what is in YOUR best interest. Do with it what you may. Grown up decisions have grown up consequences.

Obviously going monk is the ultimate control when dealing with women. Anything other than that comes with potential consequences. It’s up to you to decide how much risk you’re willing to take. On the other hand, you get to invite “sugar and spice and everything nice” into your life. So there’s that benefit. And yes, that is sarcasm.

Order the good wine

[narwhalParticipant]

The definitions OP provides are too narrow, at least in my opinion. It has more to do with understand the consequences of your decisions and actively making your choices based on those consequences. The alternative solution is just to do what society says is right, or what will keep you accepted, no matter how miserable it makes you.

So MGTOW do not need to abstain from sex, they need to realistically understand/accept the risks if they do. Same for relating to women in anyway. They do not need to help out other men if they don’t want to. They don’t need to hate the government, or like the government.

I agree that it’s about sovereignty, but that does not mean a man can never make a commitment or sign a contract ever again. It means that it’s under no illusion about risk, or that the person he’s committed to/with is rather flawed. The topics center around women so much because this is the most common thing in society that men are pressured to go against their own will in relating to.

Ok. Then do it.

[MonkParticipant 16979]

narwhal wrote:

It has more to do with understand the consequences of your decisions and actively making your choices based on those consequences.

Yes.

Full awareness, and the choice that it informs.

[TronParticipant 285]

I think the motivation for the creation of MGTOW was self preservation. I think this lifestyle helps men navigate the increasing hostile feminist society that we live in. The only definition of what a man is that should be important to you is your own definition. Society or women do not decide what kind of man you want to be, you decide. You make this decision in each moment of your life.
All MGTOW are different. Therein lies the beauty of MGTOW. When it comes to women, there is a wide spectrum of the different degrees of men’s involvement with them. Every man decides for himself where he draws the line. MGTOW also, most likely, have different philosophies on religion, politics, diet, and health. I do not think this is a problem, nor do i think it weakens us. On the contrary, I think it is our strength. We accept each other’s differences and do not stoop to shaming other men like society and women do.

If you are 21 years-old, congratulations and please spread the word. I am 56 and I really try to spread the MGTOW gospel whenever I can to younger guys.
I also encourage guys to continue their education but to do it online. I think men need to stay away from college campuses. They are too hostile.

Thank you for your post

[Gravel PitParticipant]

Don’t get caught in the semantic quicksand of MGTOW. It’s an acronym as we all know but some people use that acronym to defend behavior that is NOT MGTOWesque. For instance, you are NOT “going your own way” when the things you do are genuinely indistinguishable from what all Western men do already. Read that carefully. What the hell is the difference between a regular old college-boy pu55y beggar and a MGHOW?

Although MGTOW isn’t an Oath of Celibacy… is sure as sh1t aint PUA gaming and Philandering!

I always say, Yes, going your own way can resemble innumerable forms, but it DOES* have a BASE STANDARD. It DOES mean something at Minimum and dont ever feel ashamed to point that out to those who would Misuse the label to include or justify modes of living that are anything but the endeavors of a true MGHOW… (woman worship, sex addiction, groveling for female validation etc…).

Again, this doesnt mean you “can’t be in the club if you’re still married or having sex” (there is no club, there are no rules, but dont come into the Manosphere and take a big Blue PIll DUMP all over something Men care about.

The Q & A section on this site answers many questions. I like to rant down there from time to time.
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[SpiderHerderParticipant 3758]

As much as I enjoy chatting with some of you and as much I respect some of you, I still wouldn’t want you hanging out at my place. lol

[iMickey503Participant 12465]

Definition of MGTOW? Um.. Hmmm. Did someone not get the Memo that MGTOW is not about Definitions? Its about how YOU define your OWN LIFE. PERIOD. END OF STORY.

WORRY about what matters to you.

I don’t give a f~~~ if you think MGTOW is a Being a gay Homo Bird dick licking Clown Pussy chaser. That’s what you’re into? GO FULL RETARD.

Define this? How about you define your own life! First they come to separate you. Then when they can’t do that by Race, then they come in to trying to make new terms? Define new Bulls~~~ to focus on. I SMELL A RAT. And a BIG ONE.

TO many NEW Faces around here. Something is up.

You are all alone. If you have been falsely accused of RAPE, DV, PLEASE let all men know about the people who did this. http://register-her.net/web/guest/home

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