Epidemic of FA, TFL & Incel channels

[Gravel PitParticipant]

Not sure if you guys have been noticing this on Youtube or not. Getting real sick of this crap.

For me. MGTOW began in 2013 when I was 27. Thats when I found out about it on Youtube and found the Stardusk Compilation and the Barbarossa content. It made sense to me philosophically because of the evo-psych angle and because of real life observation of women Id been with. Women just did not have “love” the way we thought they did.

Granted, my experience with women is severely limited. The longest relationship Id ever been in (still true today) was 8 months. I’ve only lived with a woman for 3 months in my whole life. Still. When that relationship went down in flames, I took note of how I felt. I analyzed it.

Finding the Stardusk Compilation was instrumental in moving past the grief Id carried around for about a year at that time. I was totally on board with MGTOW from the get-go. Full on Monk-Mode! Ive been sexless the whole time. I probably wouldnt pass up some sex if it was offered but you know what I mean… I went my own way because I was done fooling around, being rejected, chasing idiot women who dont care and only treat me like crap… To this day. Ive only slept with about 12 women in my whole life. 9 were one night stands! All of them occurred before the age of 27. I havent had any sex for 6 years since then. Its mostly a chemical craving, because when you actually get it… well, its not all its chalked up to be, sort of like how you think she’s in love, but actually YOU are the only one in “love.”

Then what happened to MGTOW? The 2015 Division. Remember the whole Sandman Stardusk fiasco? MGTOW Messenger changed names. Spetsnaz disappeared… and who showed up? A TON of watered-down half assed MGTOW channels that were only ever after advertising revenue. I could name 25 right off the top of my head, still active too. The worst thing about these channels is they don’t align themselves to the seed-content, and they blurred the line between PUA and MGTOW. One is obsessed with cheap sex, the other wants to be as far away from women as possible. How do you confuse the two!?

The proverbial Red-Pill is STILL confused with PUA Gaming Technique (dating strategy to get women in the sack). They excuse pussy begging. They signed off on chasing women as analogous with being MGTOW. It was the weakass College Boy version of MGTOW which lost all meaning because now, Going Your Own Way literally meant anything at all, including LTRs and cohabitation!!!

If that wasn’t bad enough! Now we have the epidemic of wimp channels, and thousands of their followers, happily calling themselves (TFL) True Forced Loneliness, (Incel) Involuntarily Celibate and (FA) Forever Alone. The worst being Incel ofcourse because its so derogatory and meant to shame. Aren’t all men ‘Incel’ until a woman spreads her legs? The term is totally vacuous and without content, saying more about women these days than men. Every time I hear a man self-identify as Incel I want to slap the sh!t out of him. I’m going to Costco (large supply store for household items) so I can BULK ORDER crates of Tampons for these Oh So Lonely Men. I feel awful for their plight. All three labels are bogus, malingering or plain neurotic. These guys must be feminist spy, sock-puppet accounts or men popping Lithium tablets.

The Irony is that FA, TFL and Incels think MGTOW are the ones that are in denial. They have no idea which label came first or what the hell they mean.

Apparently, it was TOO MUCH TO ASK. That we stick to the seed content and the original MGTOW talking points. These college brats and unsexed adult men, could not be bothered with learning about why women act the way they do based on millions of years of sexually dimorphic survival. That was just too hard to understand guys. After all, these are young men who NEED a mother replacement pronto. They need a cuddle and sex. And since 29 year old Stacy Jones isn’t putting out to us (Only Chads on Tender), well I guess I’ll just sing the blues and self-identify as INCEL and self-flagellate.

Its OUT OF CONTROL man. out of control… Only time will tell where this insanity leads another two years out. One thing is for sure. MGTOW has been completely drug through the mud, redefined, bad mouthed and finally abandoned. Like our once glorious website here, we’re a shadow of our forgotten glory. Its all just Tradcucks and Poor-Me, emo-type kids now. Oh well, we had a good run. I for one will always be MGHOW.

[MonkParticipant 17035]

Blue Pill by another name is still Blue Pill.

As long as YOU walk away and stay away, none of it matters.

[Deadly RaverParticipant]

So true man. So true.

My official MGTOW journey probably started when I came here, but I had been MGTOW’ing for a while before I knew what it was. Thankfully I did come here. I was well on my way to becoming one of those,”Hateful” guys who gets it confused, but the brothers here got me sorted. Of course there would be more than a few poorly done copycats and fakes trying to make money off of it. As the rapper Tonedeaf once said,”If You get the wood, you get the termites.” Thankfully, places like this still have the truth in it so that the ones who want to know can find it.

Learn from the past, Control the present, and you will know the Future.

[MenckenParticipant 693]

The control us with words. They change definitions of words to obscure peoples thinking and keep them from discovering freedom. MGTOW means anything except going your own way.

Misogynist - A man who hates women as much as women hate one another.

[Gravel PitParticipant]

It was all an Emotional journey, but TFL, FA & Incels refuse to grow from a stuck state. They are still stuck in the first phases.

initial suffering from women
confusion
rejection
women’s unresponsiveness
denial, feelings of inadequacy

Eureka! Pink Cloud of discovering MGTOW
uncovering the source content by Stardusk Thinking Ape & Barbar
sadness of finding the truth
anger at finding the truth (Red Pill Rage)

mild attempts to ignore it all and date anyway, but finding that its all the same and MGTOW was right

Internalization of Red Pill truths.
understanding Black Pills
black pill rage & Zero Fvcks Given

More internalization
Self Actualization

[Dark KenshiParticipant 2132]

Gravel Pit wrote:

It was all an Emotional journey, but TFL, FA & Incels refuse to grow from a stuck state. They are still stuck in the first phases.
initial suffering from womenconfusionrejectionwomen’s unresponsivenessdenial, feelings of inadequacy
Eureka! Pink Cloud of discovering MGTOWuncovering the source content by Stardusk Thinking Ape & Barbarsadness of finding the truthanger at finding the truth (Red Pill Rage)
mild attempts to ignore it all and date anyway, but finding that its all the same and MGTOW was right
Internalization of Red Pill truths.understanding Black Pillsblack pill rage & Zero Fvcks Given
More internalizationSelf Actualization

That was my problem with most of the MGTOW groups and with plenty of posts in here. Too much talk about womens’ nature, but not so much about everything else.
Many men were stuck in the red pill rage, or the black pill rage, or stuck into the clown world apathy, not moving towards himself and their self-knowledge.

But, it seems that there are a few sparks here and there, of people going “beyond” MGTOW… And that is FANTASTIC. We are indeed evolving. We are growing. One by one.

Been waiting for far too long to discuss some mind blowing s~~~ with my Brothers… Like how we humans recreated the universe when we crashed the atoms in the LHC, or how we could put all of our resources together to build a scientifically advanced society into places and Heights never seen before… I do hope that happens.

As men, we can do it. As JFK said, “we chose to do it not because they are easy, but because they are hard!”.

"Young was I once, I walked alone, and bewildered seemed in the way; then I found me another and rich I thought me, for man is the joy of man." Odin, Hàvamàl, stanza 47.

[Vajra VarahaParticipant 1284]

Has anyone considered that MGTOW is censored and all these other groups INCEL, FTA, etc are getting media play because they cater to the narrative. All these boys want in the door and aren’t valuable enough to play. But MGTOW which makes strong men stronger is silenced left and right….I suspect many of the newer channels are faked to drown us out….to ensure the boys stay on the plantation…

In fact since the powers that be have vanished, I’ve also suspected some of the posters here have changed their presentation style….if you know what I mean…

[Gravel PitParticipant]

Dark Kenshi wrote:

people going “beyond” MGTOW

Some men end up back with women. Like Barbarossa and Spetsnaz.
I would be with a woman too. But I refuse to chase or capitulate to their interests and authority. Im very much in my own world, always have been, and women dont care to come in. And I dont care to show them in anymore. So its a natural repellent.
Some men just dont get on well with women.

Some men go ‘beyond’ by simple fact that Going Your Own Way doesnt necessitate visiting the Manosphere online very much or at all. These guys are busy in their own world.

As far as the Sky is the Limit type talk, Im interested in continuing to observe. In observing humans, you see the most retarded crap and amazing stuff too. Like check out these Free Solo Climbers.

[Branched offParticipant 10969]

It really bugs me that the pussy beggars (PUAs) get confused with us. However beyond that overall I am glad that the spectrum of red pill is widening. There are a wide range of men on here and practically every one has a slightly different way of going his won way and brings something valuable to the table.

In the end the more men that see that society is cucked and that women are what women have always been and always will be the better.

Still success is often the worst thig that can happen to an idea in terms of purity and it is important that we try to at least be soemthng different from PUAs at one end of the spectrum and incels at the other. Both groups talk more sense than blue pill types but both are still going nuts over pussy and if you let women control your thoughts and behaviour with their only unique selling point, you are losing the only defence you have in a cucked up society.

Yeah Gravel pit, hard core rock climbing is both amazing and retarded crap at the same time. You do some pretty amazing stuff but in other ways you are in danger of “having no life” (you do crappy jobs to get money to climb, rest and hang out with other climbing junkies and you might get killed too. Its just like falling in love with a woman you are obsessed and put in more than you can ever get back out. I climbed bank down from the brink. Never got more than scratches and tendon and nerve pain. Loved it. Love the fact I quit too.

A woman is like fire -fun to play with, can warm you through and cook your food, needs constant feeding, can burn you and consume all you own

[JustAnotherGuyParticipant]

Part of the problem is that YouTube has been intentionally messing with their algorithms for years. They have a political agenda to push and that pesky “truth” keeps getting in the way.

Chernobyl, 1:23:45 (pilot)
“What is the cost of lies?”

“It’s not that we’ll mistake them for the truth. The real danger is that if we hear enough lies, then we no longer recognize the truth at all. What can we do then? What else is left but to abandon even the hope of truth, and content ourselves instead… with stories.”

A lot of lost men and boys are rightfully frustrated. They grew up without fathers, in a society that pathologizes masculine attributes and lauds feminine attributes. They grew up with no examples of what a man should do or how he should act, drugged because they took away recess and final exams. They give grades for attendance, socializing, being a “team player,” and a wide range of other participation-trophy categories that have exactly nothing to do with results or demonstrating what you know.

I believe these lost boys use YouTube as a form of catharsis. They’re trying to find their way but they don’t even know what questions to ask, and they live in a civilization that smacks you in the head if you look up. They’re simultaneously being driven by their hormones and their survival instinct, confused by all the messaging of their peers and elders telling them everything that seems natural to them is degeneracy and toxic.

Honestly, I think they’re just confused and we’re only seeing these channels because YOUTUBE wants us to. They’re pushing these channels up in visibility as a last-ditch effort to shame men and try to get us in line, while simultaneously scrubbing channels that teach men how to be self-reliant and critical, with a focus on men’s issues.

I feel pity and empathy for these lost boys because nobody else does. But you can’t help them until they hit the bottom.

Gravel Pit wrote:

For me. MGTOW began in 2013 when I was 27.

Mine started about there when my ex-wife filed for divorce out of nowhere and, long story of cybersleuthing short, I discovered she’d been cheating on me and my universe imploded. My journey started with a bunch of stupid “marriage counseling” channels that told YouTube I was interested in women, which led the algorithm to Stardusk and Coltaine (it’ll never do that again, Wijiki has made sure of that! ), but it was when I saw TFM’s “She’ll Never Love You” that everything clicked.

Gravel Pit wrote:

I went my own way because I was done fooling around, being rejected, chasing idiot women who dont care and only treat me like crap

I went my own way because I realized that women are completely void of empathy, automatically group together, have the automatic protection of the other men in the herd who are drunk on their kool-aid, that I have no rights or authority, and that at any point my ex can pull the crazy pin and I’ll never see my kid again. I went my own way because I realized that women just aren’t worth my attention. It doesn’t matter how hard I work, how good I look, or how much money I have, their love is always conditional and transactional. If I chase that dragon, I will never catch it.

Gravel Pit wrote:

The proverbial Red-Pill is STILL confused with PUA Gaming Technique

Anybody who thinks this is anything less than an intentional poisoning of the well isn’t paying attention. MGTOW is just stoicism with some Buddhist philosophy. The red pill is a philosophy of personal conduct. Everything else is an attempt to manipulate others. They have to bury the one that gets results, which ironically makes it stronger.

Gravel Pit wrote:

Its OUT OF CONTROL man. out of control… Only time will tell where this insanity leads another two years out

You’re not wrong.

Cupcakes are Cold. MGTOW is Absolute Zero.
“Let us wait a little; when your enemy is executing a false movement, never interrupt him” –Napoleon Bonaparte, 1805

[Gravel PitParticipant]

Great post from Just Another Guy.

Loved what you said about the Red Pill.

Some guys cant be saved from Vagina Addiction and the consequences of it. They never had the fvcking desire and attention span to actually HEAR OUT a lot of great MGTOW content from back in 2013-2014.

Yes, Turd Flinging Monkey’s She Doesnt Love You was great content. A Classic no doubt.

For all the hordes of twerps and self-hating dorks who never had the inner drive to listen to the founding content in MGTOW. I say fvck ’em … enjoy calling yourself an incel and being “forever alone” LOL. Their melodramatic, fetal positioned, victim-hood is pathetic. Iam NOT a handsome man by any stretch but even I can round up some ass if I wanted to. That is the truth. I would never resign to such low confidence self-shaming as identifying as TFL, Incel or FA…. I mean jesus christ, just go watch the videos other men repeatedly point at for 5 years…

[JustAnotherGuyParticipant]

Gravel Pit wrote:

I would never resign to such low confidence self-shaming as identifying as TFL, Incel or FA…. I mean jesus christ,

If you have $200 and no woman, you’re not an incel. You have merely decided women are not worth your $200. These guys are truly pathetic and to some extent they deserve sympathy–nobody else is going to give it to them and nobody else cares. I had major self esteem issues for YEARS before I embraced being invisible and getting away with doing what made me happy.

Cupcakes are Cold. MGTOW is Absolute Zero.
“Let us wait a little; when your enemy is executing a false movement, never interrupt him” –Napoleon Bonaparte, 1805

[Gravel PitParticipant]

JustAnotherGuy wrote:

If you have $200 and no woman, you’re not an incel. You have merely decided women are not worth your $200.

Amen brother. Ive been mildly promoting MGTOW on these TFL channels, (okay, not mildly, Im ranting like a madman).

They accuse me of “being an incel in denial.”

Buwhahahwhah!

They have one thing right, Im not getting laid… the rest is their neuroses and misjudging reality.

Do they expect women to just rain from the sky and fall on their dick?

Women play games, they expect you to chase and give a shvt about trying to attract them. If your personality is such that you dont give a sh!t about doing ABC prerequisites required to bag today’s women, then you dont get ass. This doesnt mean youre an incel, it means you have modest standards that today’s arrogant women do not meet.

Incel says everything about women, not men.
Its says that todays women are in denial about their sexual worth. Simple as that

Stacy thinks she deserves a 6′ foot tall funny guy who makes $125,000 a year. What she fails to acknowledge is that SHE is nowhere near his league. So instead of finding a man in her league (which would require objectivity and humility) she dials up Chad-look-alike on Plenty of Fish and let’s him plow her to fulfill her delusions about living in an Uptown Condo.

She does this every weekend. This is how girls end up with 100 previous sexual partners at 27 years old. While their peer males at 27 years old, have only slept with about 10 girls their whole life.

[JustAnotherGuyParticipant]

Gravel Pit wrote:

She does this every weekend. This is how girls end up with 100 previous sexual partners at 27 years old. While their peer males at 27 years old, have only slept with about 10 girls their whole life.

I can count mine on one hand and remember their names and something interesting about them. But I’m the callous, commitment – phobic misogynist and not the victim of women with unrealistic standards cheating on me because they could.

Don’t you know how awful men are? They just use and abuse women. who hurt you?

Cupcakes are Cold. MGTOW is Absolute Zero.
“Let us wait a little; when your enemy is executing a false movement, never interrupt him” –Napoleon Bonaparte, 1805

[Russky2Participant 3086]

My blue pill or red pill rage passed, and I’m at a point where I no longer even need this site to understand female nature or MGTOW is really all about. Everything has been given and shown to me in such a light that it makes perfect sense to 1st of all- never get married, 2nd- never chase pussy, 3rd- abide by rules 2 and 3 to remain a sane man. Ohh and 4th one- f~~~ what everyone else thinks about you not wanting or having a girlfriend.

I witness a bunch of my friends getting married, and getting divorced. Some have gotten married again, well actually 1 buddy that doesn’t seem to learn the first lesson from getting burned. And to add a bunch of salt on a semi healed wound, now he has an offspring. He works 2 jobs 7 days a week to save money and move out of his parents house. Him, his girlfriend and their offspring that is. Jesus, I told him that at least he should have waited till his situation stabilizes and he kinda screeched but agreed… some people never learn. But biology and the desire to procreate and pass on your DNA is strong. You have to apply a lot of willpower, and use logic to halt the urges and lizard brain. It’s not easy because it goes against evolution, but our society is f~~~ed and is doing a great job going against it.

Now they area bitching about how the population is declining. They can go f~~~ a duck!!!

MGTOW AKBAR

[BeerParticipant 11832]

JustAnotherGuy wrote:

If you have $200 and no woman, you’re not an incel. You have merely decided women are not worth your $200. These guys are truly pathetic and to some extent they deserve sympathy–nobody else is going to give it to them and nobody else cares. I had major self esteem issues for YEARS before I embraced being invisible and getting away with doing what made me happy.

Incel has got to be the most over used insult. All pretty much any guy has to do is go on Tinder and swipe yes to all. With low enough standards anyone can get laid. Some blue pill retards and c~~~s just can’t figure out the world doesn’t revolve around vagina for some of us.

Realistically I can play the long game or the short game. The short game is devoting myself to some c~~~ now, marrying her, and we all know how that works out. The long game I just horde money, retire early as f~~~, and go live overseas where there will be no shortage or young foreign women who want a rich American I can f~~~, or just places with straight up legal prostitution. Simply put, the long game is going to get me more and hotter pussy and completely bypass a divorce rape in life. I’m not an incel, I just don’t want to deal with the garbage women and bulls~~~ laws I’m surrounded by.

[ironheartParticipant 942]

Well I am one of the very old guard. I went through two fifteen year stints as full MGTOW, with allowing no woman and no sex in my life. I did reach a point where it was well past the anger stage. But all my friends left me within a couple of years both times. Women I can do with out. Friends I can’t.

At 55 I gave it one last try to find love and companionship. It has been a failure these past eight years. She is almost beyond help now, and full on raving fem-lunatic. Her kid is a total psycho. Typical product of a single mother with no F…. clue how to raise male kids. I am very close to walking away from all of it, and living in a hut on a southern island. Every day is a s~~~ day.

The thing about being old and MGTOW even in spirit, is that I no longer have any friends. The last of my friends died three years ago now. Most of my family is dead. When I pack and leave, I will have nothing.

I am seriously cruising sites that are monasteries, where I will go and live out the rest of my days.

This world was destroyed by women. We should never let the world forget that. But I was never as f~~~ed up and angry as these young kids today. It is the job of us older guys to remind them that the world does not end with no women in it. In fact life is mostly s~~~ty with a woman in it. But really the epidemic exists because we have not been able to be better examples to these young kids. Even I am guilty to some extent.

You cannot turn your back on the world because of bytches. There are a lot of messed up young men out there that need our help to see the light. The lesson needs to be that you do not need the anger. if I learned anything from 30 years of celibacy, it was that. We are the father figures. And the anger makes us forget what the greater mission should be.

Just my 25 cents….

"Women have become so full of hatred that they are blind to reason and humanity. That which they practice will be the end of humanity, long before any war that men may fight.." "Women are predators by nature. Why else do you think they are so quick to gang up and go after a man they hate for showing any sign of weakness?"

[Gravel PitParticipant]

Enjoyed reading that Ironheart!

I have oppourtunity to get sex but I think Im going to let it pass. Just dont want the awkward feelings or potential drama. Its been many years sexless, and Im young. Shes younger. But Awalt bro. And theyre all crazy, especially this one. Fvck it… flip a coin

[LastManStandingParticipant 638]

I recently had an opportunity to f~~~ a 19 year old. I am 37. I turned it down. I just couldn’t bring myself to do it. Finally with age, wisdom [MGTOW) and decreased sex drive, i could see that doing that would have been nothing but big trouble. AWALT f~~~ers!

[MonkParticipant 17035]

ironheart wrote:

I am very close to walking away from all of it, and living in a hut on a southern island. Every day is a s~~~ day.

GTFO before you have a heart attack or she puts a pillow over your face.

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