MGTOW and Feminsim both have the same end goal.

[MGTOW_MikeParticipant 6253]

At the end of the day we all are DIFFERENT and going our own way, yet at the same time we share one common undeniable view of reality. The game has changed and we need to be 100 steps ahead of it.

A tranquil mind is neither happy nor sad, it is uninfluenced by external conditions.

[Anonymous 38]

Kid’s still in high school. I think the minimum age for members on this site should be at least 21. You don’t know s~~~ until then. Hell, even 25.

[MGTOW_MikeParticipant 6253]

Anonymous wrote:

Kid’s still in high school. I think the minimum age for members on this site should be at least 21. You don’t know s~~~ until then. Hell, even 25.

I am in my 30s and have NEVER had an issue with women, because I have never dated, even though I am heterosexual. I have spent my entire life focusing on my nerdy passion. It saved me and will continue to protect me until I am dead.

At the same time I am forever grateful for men who come on here and share their stories with us. Hats off to them. Just listening to their stories makes me feel very sick.

A tranquil mind is neither happy nor sad, it is uninfluenced by external conditions.

[bstoffParticipant 4865]

Lone Wolf.

Your lectures, comments, proposals, complaints and just about everything you say is based on bad assumptions you have made.

Go back to being a lurker.
Read the wisdom of the MEN here.
Learn from them.

Review your ideas while trying ferret out the absurdities you’ve been taught in high school/gender studies or whatever you are getting your disinformation from; then come back here and POLITELY ask for ADVICE on matters from the EXPERTS here in the forums.

If you are a woman trying to make some kind of woman version of a point, give up.

[CarnageParticipant 22113]

Ohhh boy, somehow i decided to join in this mess.

The OP has a lot of bulls~~~ argument, soo easy to dismantle that i could not even resist.

However i wont put the effort, im already giving too many f~~~s.

Instead i have a few questions for OP.

1) Lets suppose for a minute that mgtow is like feminism… According to most people feminism is good. If it worked for women, gave them rigths with no obligations, give them political power, advantage in work, laws, family etc… why should we not aspire to the same? What is good for the goose…

2) WOMEN ARE LIKE THAT… They are not evil, They are WOMEN, nothing else. A lion hunts and kill a zebra, the lion is no evil, HE IS A LION, is what lion do. Hypergamy is real a bricks, there is nothing wrong with it, is how they play the game, if you want to play be my guest. But why should i?

3) Family: You know the briffault law rigth? “the female, not the male, determines all the conditions of the animal family. Where the female can derive no benefit from association with the male, no such association takes place.” MEN HAVE NO FAMILY, WOMEN HAVE AND IF THEY WISH THEY SHARE WITH A MEN. welcome to real world. why should i pay for something is not even mine?

4) Society: I got no power, women are significantly more voters than men (except in china and other few countries), wich make my rigths a really low priority becouse that is how politics work. Im disposable, will be sended to war to die for nothing, no body pays attention to me when im jobless or in a bad situation. Why should i care about society?

5) you talk about women genius, i do not consider women inferior to men in inteligence, women are very smart, they lack principles, honor etc, but that makes them even smarter and dangerous. I mean look at us, i was played like a kid for years, she got what she wanted and moved on. that is some smart s~~~ over there.

Now you talk about Ayn Rand, camile plaglia, Sther vilar, THOSE WOMEN ARE NOT GENIUS, Jordan Peterson is a TRADCON, he understand human nature, society collapse, but he refuse to accept it. He found a way to make a lot of money out of this mess and that is great, good for him, but i dont think he gives a s~~~, he just feeding on the cow. Great well done Peterson.

Now to put some light over you dark and secluded minds, the women i know should praised as real genius and deserve respect are women who actually contributed to humanity development:

First a women that made this web page possible:
ADA LOVELACE: matematician and writer, the first programmer in the world.

MADAM CURIE: everyone know or should know that name, probably cancer wold be still untreatable without her.

Our society is soo f~~~ed up that telling the truth, being a decent parent, things that are the MINIMUM NECESARY TO BE CONSIDERED A HUMAN BEING, are praised like honor badges. Im 34 years old, doctor, lived in four countries, been around a bit, had contact with thousands of people, but i still havent meet A HUMAN BEEN. NOT EVEN ONCE.

Now op, i wasted my f~~~s to give for the next 3000 millenia, GO F~~~ YOUR SELF… with a cactus.

To those following me, be careful, I just farted. Men those beans are killers.

[CarnageParticipant 22113]

MGTOW_Mike wrote:

At the end of the day we all are DIFFERENT and going our own way, yet at the same time we share one common undeniable view of reality. The game has changed and we need to be 100 steps ahead of it.

Not enough, runnnnnnn, whe you see the board comming, run like your life depends on it, BECOUSE IT DOES.

Is mgtow or death, choose wisely.

To those following me, be careful, I just farted. Men those beans are killers.

[bladeParticipant]

MGTOW OR MANGINA

Your choice but not going to be f~~~ed around by you mangina boy

Bet you squat when ya p~~~

THE PLANTATION HAS NOW TURNED INTO THE KILLING FIELDS . WOMAN ARE NOW ROLLING CAMBODIAN STYLE .

[Ranger OneParticipant 16836]

Lone Wolf wrote:

Yeah, yeah, yeah @sidecar I was reading too fast and skipped over the part where you said MGTOW “recognizes [the destruction of the family] as the reality.” No need to badger me about it bro. The problem I have is that MGTOW is indifferent to that destruction and I firmly believe that this indifference will be one of the many things responsible for the absolute destruction of the West.

Western society needs to collapse before it can be rebuilt.

The toilet has already been flushed. Read Jared Diamond’s “Collapse” book.

All my life I've had doubts about who I am, where I belonged. Now I'm like the arrow that springs from the bow. No hesitation, no doubts. The path is clear. And what are you? Alive. Everything else is negotiable. Women have rights; men have responsibilities; MGTOW have freedom. Marriage is for chumps. If someone stands in the way of true justice, you simply walk up behind them and stab them in the heart-R'as al Ghul.

[MGTOW_MikeParticipant 6253]

blade wrote:

MGTOW OR MANGINA

Your choice but not going to be f~~~ed around by you mangina boy

LMAO….I found this video myself many years ago. Never fails to entertain me.

A tranquil mind is neither happy nor sad, it is uninfluenced by external conditions.

[bladeParticipant]

MGTOW_Mike wrote:

blade wrote:

MGTOW OR MANGINA

Your choice but not going to be f~~~ed around by you mangina boy

LMAO….I found this video myself many years ago. Never fails to entertain me.

Old gregg . Funny as when i came across that .

THE PLANTATION HAS NOW TURNED INTO THE KILLING FIELDS . WOMAN ARE NOW ROLLING CAMBODIAN STYLE .

[MGTOW_MikeParticipant 6253]

blade wrote:

Old gregg . Funny as when i came across that .

LMAO. Never came across this one long time ago.

A tranquil mind is neither happy nor sad, it is uninfluenced by external conditions.

[JustAnotherGuyParticipant]

Lone Wolf wrote:

MGTOW seems to have the same goal: down with the family.

False. The only thing they have in common is the rejection of traditional gender roles. MGTOW is a response to gynocentrism. MGTOW is a philosophy whose end goal is self actualization. Feminism / gynocentrism is a political ideology whose end goal is abject servitude for men and absolute supremacy for women.

End of comparison.

Cupcakes are Cold. MGTOW is Absolute Zero.
“Let us wait a little; when your enemy is executing a false movement, never interrupt him” –Napoleon Bonaparte, 1805

[ZarathustraParticipant 2246]

There have always been men that went their own way, the website in fact lists many of them (Jesus, Tesla, Galileo, Niectzche Schopenhauer etc…) What has changed is that the prevailing cultural rules have made the institution of family and marriage even less attractive to those men who would have married and started the family in the past, now these men are going their own way just like the great men I listed.

I think you are confusing the cause with the effect. MGTOW is the effect of a society that has made marriage and relationships very unattractive for men, at least the volume and number of MGTOW today is the effect. The cause is feminism, cultural Marxism etc…

There are many men on this site, I was one of them, who would have welcomed a fair, equitable, married state and a family, but those days are gone that ship has sailed.

I came to MGTOW because I DID want to start a family. But again and again I was treated like garbage, I was lied to, cheated on, used etc…

In conclusion, its not like I woke up one day and decided I wanted to “destroy the modern family” and so went my own way. I went my own way because the institution of family and marriage was destroyed before I even tried to obtain it and only became MGTOW after many failed attempts.

[ZarathustraParticipant 2246]

Ranger One wrote:

Lone Wolf wrote:

Hell, it’s much better than dying alone.

Not this s~~~ again.

We all die alone. That Norman Rockwell painting type s~~~ with everyone gathered around your death bed doesn’t happen. Most likely you will die in your sleep, quite probably in another bed because one of you snores, and you will crap and p~~~ yourself as you die.

I’m hungry. Could it be the whiff I’m getting from

Ranger One wrote:

Lone Wolf wrote:
Hell, it’s much better than dying alone.
Not this s~~~ again.
We all die alone. That Norman Rockwell painting type s~~~ with everyone gathered around your death bed doesn’t happen. Most likely you will die in your sleep, quite probably in another bed because one of you snores, and you will crap and p~~~ yourself as you die.
I’m hungry. Could it be the whiff I’m getting from

I work as a financial planner and I deal with a lot of estates. Do you want to know what dying alone looks like? Imagine marrying your sweetheart at age 20 and being married for 60 years, then he dies and you live the last 10 years of your life alone, having never prepared for it since your husband/wife was by your side the last 60 years. That is DYING ALONE. I have seen it again and again. It is a fairytale to think you will die with a loved one because of marriage. This only happened when a couple dies in some freak car accident or decides to commit suicide togather.

[ZarathustraParticipant 2246]

I really don’t get your attitude. You are judging us for what you yourself refuse to do. Think that the institution of marriage needs saving? Then save it! That should be your way, your initiative, your project. Its not my project. This site is about men going their own way and following their passions and interests. If your interest is saving marriage that what does it matter what we think and why are you wasting you time here?

[ZarathustraParticipant 2246]

Go and read May 7’s introduction. Ask yourself, if thee was even a 10% chance that it would happen to you would you get married? What if it was 20%, 30% 40%? How about 50%? Because 50% is about the average of marriages that divorce.

[CarnageParticipant 22113]

Zaratustra is right, i see it every day too, people get old and die alone. Generally the husband die first, the wife survives alone a few years. If the wife die first usually the husband follows a few months later.

Everyone die alone, the only one around you when you kick the bucket will be me or a nurse.

You welcome.

To those following me, be careful, I just farted. Men those beans are killers.

[CarnageParticipant 22113]

Zarathustra wrote:

Go and read May 7’s introduction. Ask yourself, if thee was even a 10% chance that it would happen to you would you get married? What if it was 20%, 30% 40%? How about 50%? Because 50% is about the average of marriages that divorce.

go for matrix intro also, the same key master had his share of hell.

me, i was royally f~~~ed over and the bitch told me “it is your fault for trusting me” i was like… WTF?
And every married men is the same, they know they are f~~~ed, they regret it, but they just cant stand be alone, they need purpose, they need a motive, they make their own life miserable to struggle.

Jordan Peterson said it, people need struggle, need objectives to survive, WELL I DONT, I WANT AN EASY BORING LIFE, I HAD ENOUGH, I WANNA LIVE THE REST OF MY LIFE BORED TO DEATH, THE MORE BORED THE BETTER.
PAINTING, SCULPTING, GARDENING, WATCHING THE GRASS GROW, I HAVE A MILLION THINGS TO DO.

anything but go insane with a f~~~ing family or slave away in a 8-5 job. F~~~ THAT S~~~.

To those following me, be careful, I just farted. Men those beans are killers.

[Anonymous 14]

Lone Wolf wrote:

Anyways, that’s it guys I’m done. I’m exhausted. And clearly after a lot of arguing, I have now come to the conclusion that I was wrong about MGTOW. Thanks guys this was one hell of a discussion.

Yes, you were incorrect in your thesis about what and who we are. We don’t break families, most of our families were broken and taken from us by means beyond our control.

I do give you credit for admitting that you were wrong.

[JustAnotherGuyParticipant]

Zarathustra wrote:

Because 50% is about the average of marriages that divorce.

* Per year. You roll again every year. Failure rate is actually high 80s across the population.

Cupcakes are Cold. MGTOW is Absolute Zero.
“Let us wait a little; when your enemy is executing a false movement, never interrupt him” –Napoleon Bonaparte, 1805

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