MGTOW and Feminsim both have the same end goal.

[JustAnotherGuyParticipant]

Carnage wrote:

Generally the husband die first, the wife survives alone a few years. If the wife die first usually the husband follows a few months later.

Also keep in mind, most men marry younger women (younger by years). If you were the same age, the woman can expect to outlive you by a decade. But most men are OLDER than their wives, and I would make an educated guess that of those few marriages that actually last that long, the wives outlive their husbands by almost 2 full decades.

Cupcakes are Cold. MGTOW is Absolute Zero.
“Let us wait a little; when your enemy is executing a false movement, never interrupt him” –Napoleon Bonaparte, 1805

[Old BuckParticipant 3596]

I’m not sure what planet you are from, but you sure aren’t from around here…

Don't chase tail. Turn yours around, walk away, and live free!

[Old BuckParticipant 3596]

Don't chase tail. Turn yours around, walk away, and live free!

[Frank V.Participant 2445]

@Lone Wolf

I’m not going to get bogged down in defining Feminism to too much detail, since Feminists themselves cannot seem to agree on a clear definition.

But….

MGTOW seems to have the same goal: down with the family.

No. MGTOW does not have a “goal” for the family. It is about men, not families or anyone else. Just because we are not trying to “save the family” does not mean we are trying to destroy it. That would be like saying that anyone not trying to save the Austro-Hungarian Empire was actively destroying it. That is not true.

I, as a MGTOW, am not trying to destroy “the family” or anything else, I am simply preserving myself.

HOWEVER, is the reason why women are acting this way because of the prevailing feminist culture we live in or because MGTOW believes that women are inherently evil?

Doesn’t matter to me why the ship is sinking, the smart course of action is to not get on board a sinking ship. It doesn’t matter to me why the house is fire, it is still just as stupid to enter a burning building regardless of the reason it is on fire. I am not a fireman.

What I, and other men, have to deal with is the fact that women are treating men this way.

Additionally, it means there is no solution and men should abandon women, which doesn’t continue our species and also destroys the family (meaning MGTOW and feminism have the same end goal).

Oh for s~~~’s sake ! Trying to lamely shame men into entering bad contracts that are entirely against their interests (AKA: Marriage) because we need to “continue the species” is pathetic at best and outright dishonest at worst. There are 7,000,000,000 on the planet ! I don’t think there will be a massive shortage of our species any time soon. Please, learn how to f~~~ing count !

I already addressed this lame “destroying the family” s~~~. You are just as bad as some plantation owner expecting slaves who escaped to “save the plantation !”

Here is an idea ! If you want to “save the family” then you can STFU and get married ! I am not stopping you, and nobody else in this forum can possibly stop you.

You can “save the plantation”, put on those chains and be a good slave ! Just don’t expect me or the other escapees to join you !

What you never hear from these “save marriage / the family” people is the offer of a better deal.

Does MGTOW want to fix the culture we live in or{….}

I cannot “fix the culture we live in”. I’m just some guy in the middle of the US. Just as I cannot “fix the politics” or “fix the environment” I cannot “fix the culture”. I don’t have the power or ability to do that.

If you want to be Don Quixote, I am not stopping you from getting on your horse and charging off. If you can actually “fix the culture”, then go do it and show me how wrong I am.

My name ain’t Sancho, its Frank.

{….} follow the same Feminist/Identitarian route of branding the opposite sex as the evil oppressor and use it as a reason to destroy the family?

I speak for myself. I let others chose to live how they chose to. I have every right to point out the problems that marriage has for men, that doesn’t mean I restrain them from going down the aisle if they chose to do it anyways. Hell, if it is an open bar and good food, I can simply chuckle to myself as I watch.

As far as branding Feminists an “oppressor”, I don’t do that. Take a hard look through this forum for the last few years. I have said for years, and will continue to say it into the foreseeable future, that Feminists are the number one recruiters to MGTOW.

I mean this in a serious way. Their efforts to attack us, brand us, slander us, shame us and even silence us has brought us levels of advertising and “brand awareness” that even the largest marketing campaigns by the very best advertising agencies have never achieved in such a short period of time.

In terms of “promoting” MGTOW awareness, attracting people to research and consider MGTOW for themselves and recruiting for MGTOW, I would put the cash value of Feminism to MGTOW to be in the hundreds of millions, possibly over a billion dollars.

And again we see you repeat the mantra about “destroy(ing) the family”.

Repeating it more does not make it more true.

I’m honestly looking for some feedback, not insults or bans. Any censorship would just be admitting that MGTOW cannot defend it’s own fundamental ideas.

Here you go ! Plenty of feedback here for you.

Just don’t forget to read what you just wrote.
You are the one bringing up bans and censorship.
You are accusing MGTOWs of “destroying the family” when we simply chose to not participate. This shows a lack of understanding of even fundamental ideas.

I will wait for you to respond before going any further.

Frank V.

{edited to smooth out some rough words}

[Old BuckParticipant 3596]

The last f~~~ing thing a new member should do is post a thread telling us what MGTOW is all about.

I have a s~~~ test for you too. Go into the nearest biker bar, and loudly proclaim these men are pussies because they don’t care about feminism.

My god is the hamster wheel strong with this one…

Don't chase tail. Turn yours around, walk away, and live free!

[Frank V.Participant 2445]

I also presume that there are very few religious people here, considering Christians believing the family to be the keystone of society. Also considering that marriage isn’t an institution invented by the state, but a loving bond promulgated by Christianity.

I’m an Agnostic bordering on Atheist but I can say there are a lot of Christians here too.

Frank V.

[Frank V.Participant 2445]

Lone Wolf wrote:

@blade @oldbill You two have the collective IQ of a squirrel. You guys can’t even speak proper English. It’s no wonder why your women left you. They happened to be more rational than you because you two have brains the size of a pea.

Gee whiz ! Thought you where above insults and assumptions.

Frank V.

[Old BuckParticipant 3596]

Your conclusions are all wrong. You definately don’t pay attention in class, and your observation skills are lacking.

What I see is a member who, a year ago, posts a couple questions, and a YEAR LATER asking more jackass questions.

I see a blue pill college student writing a term paper on feminism.

The problem is, you can’t write about something you don’t understand.

Feminism’s end game is dominance over the opposite sex. MGTOW want freedom, not control. Exact polar opposites.

Good luck on your term paper.

Don't chase tail. Turn yours around, walk away, and live free!

[Frank V.Participant 2445]

Lone Wolf wrote:

{….} Or is MGTOW’s purpose entirely distinct from the fate of mainstream culture?

BINGO !

MGTOW is common sense applied for men. It does not claim to “take back the culture”, “save the family” or do anything else.

Frank V.

[IRuleMeParticipant]

Don’t bother with this guy. There’s no telling him otherwise as his mind is already made up.

[Frank V.Participant 2445]

Lone Wolf wrote:

Anyways, that’s it guys I’m done. I’m exhausted. And clearly after a lot of arguing, I have now come to the conclusion that I was wrong about MGTOW. Thanks guys this was one hell of a discussion.

Hat’s off ! I only wish I read more of the thread before responding. Lesson learned here too !

Frank V.

[IRuleMeParticipant]

Frank V. wrote:

Lone Wolf wrote:

@blade @oldbill You two have the collective IQ of a squirrel. You guys can’t even speak proper English. It’s no wonder why your women left you. They happened to be more rational than you because you two have brains the size of a pea.

Gee whiz ! Thought you where above insults and assumptions.

Frank V.

It’s an obvious tuna trying to bait us, complete with shaming language.

[OldBillParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

I think the minimum age for members on this site should be at least 21.

It wouldn’t matter because Keymaster chooses not to enforce the current minimum age of 18 for “reasons”.

Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.

[Anonymous 1]

How do you know a topic has turned into a total s~~~ show? It’s more than 4 pages long.

I’ve read none of the content, but the key indicators are present.

[sidecarParticipant 35842]

Carnage wrote:

Zaratustra is right, i see it every day too, people get old and die alone.

If they’re lucky.

The unlucky ones die young.

But young or old, everyone does alone.

JustAnotherGuy wrote:

Zarathustra wrote:

Because 50% is about the average of marriages that divorce.

* Per year. You roll again every year. Failure rate is actually high 80s across the population.

Naw.

It’s 6%.

Only 6% of marriages last even 10 years. The numbers get skewed because idiots don’t learn their lesson and re-marry.

And there’s no guarantee even those 6% are happy.

Frank V. wrote:

I’m not going to get bogged down in defining Feminism to too much detail, since Feminists themselves cannot seem to agree on a clear definition.

Oh that’s an easy one:

Feminists are women who want to have their cake and eat it to, and have a man pay the bill.

MGTOW are men who know the cake is a lie.

Anonymous wrote:

How do you know a topic has turned into a total s~~~ show? It’s more than 4 pages long.

Or it’s gone completely off the rails and now it’s about motorcycles, cars, or food.

Often those are the best threads of all.

I’ve read none of the content, but the key indicators are present.

True that. You can tell from the thread title it’s a mangina tradcuck thread.

There sure are a lot of tradcucks dropping in lately. I wonder why that is. We had a wave of tuna infiltrators for a few weeks there trying to shame us back onto the plantation, but now it’s all tradcucks trying to shame us back onto the plantation. I’m beginning to think it’s the same old tuna, only now they’re changing their tactics.

[Maximus AureliusParticipant 351]

On a different tact……
I want to share some appreciation for the Men on here that have contributed to pointedly, accurately and exhaustively.
Like ‘Stump Trump’, Ranger, Nerdtunnel and others.

That took their time to post their knowledge and experience about the truth of what MGTOW is.
I found it affirming to hear just Why so Many of us are MGTOW, or should be!
‘Can’t Stump Trump’, did a great job of articulating the truths of MGTOW, and the differences about Marxism, Feminism, Men vs women’s intelligence and how why they are so different and evaluated adversely. The ingenuity of Men and the plagiaristic nature of women’s intelligence. Then on to truths about the religious and Biblical place women should hold…
Absolutely Brilliant!

Meditating on the Wisdom & Truths of Man, Isn't just a Philosophy, but a Calling......Be willing to be Called a Man!

[Puffin StuffParticipant 24979]

I have heard of men going their own way advising not getting married. I have never ever read a man going his own way advise leaving a marriage that was intact and happy. That’s for feminists destroyed marriage with no-fault and two generations of men teaching women to hate men and that men are unnecessary and marriage is prison for women. The gilded cage.

#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.

[Lone WolfParticipant 205]

@oldbill Age doesn’t make much of a difference, I didn’t force you to read what I wrote. @sidecar No, it’s not a mangina thread. It’s just a lot of misinformation and false accusations. @iruleme Yeah my mind is made up: I was wrong about MGTOW. @zarathustra That’s the reason why I started this thread. I don’t think I’m wasting my time here. I honestly wanted to hear what you guys had to say. And yeah I didn’t go about it the best way, I just came off as a know-it-all belligerent c~~~. I conflated MGTOW’s causes with it’s effects. Sorry for wasting your guys’ time. Although, I do think what I said about the different waves of feminism was something worth talking about. Anyways, this is the way I am guys, just your average dick with a superiority complex. I’m scrolling through all of these comments… man I really do suck at making friends

"In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem, government is the problem." - Ronald Reagan

[JustAnotherGuyParticipant]

Naw.

It’s 6%.

Only 6% of marriages last even 10 years. The numbers get skewed because idiots don’t learn their lesson and re-marry.

And there’s no guarantee even those 6% are happy.

Ten year failure rate is 96%. 5 year rate is around 80.

Marriage is over. It was always a business contract but now the silent partner is the majority decision maker who also gets all the assets.

Cupcakes are Cold. MGTOW is Absolute Zero.
“Let us wait a little; when your enemy is executing a false movement, never interrupt him” –Napoleon Bonaparte, 1805

[Anonymous 3]

There is little to be said in this thread, and we had amazing contributions.
I would just add one point about the intelligence of women.

I would not downplay the intelligence of women, as I knew a few smart specimens. But I would equate most of the feminine success in academic fields to their investment in time and effort.

I remember a subject in my last year of university, where I used a dossier compiled by a woman. It had hundreds of problems and their respective resolution, all well organised and in perfect handwriting. This girl had a grade of 17 out of 20.
My mind was blown by the enormity of the effort invested in an optional and quite irrelevant subject. I simply consulted the dossier, did not even tried to solve ONE problem, and achieved 14 out of 20.

Now, in an analytical comparison, she was better than me. But in reality I managed to come close to her performance with less than 1% of her effort.

And this was one of the many examples I could give were women outperform men by doing something they are prone to do: obsess about it.

However, once the obsession wanes, they lack the mental agility and the naturally inquisitive mind of some men. And we are left with intellectual pygmies in places they should never be. The societal collapse will be also a result of this.

Saying in in another way: women try to much in something they do not care enough.

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