MGTOW and Feminsim both have the same end goal.

[Lone WolfParticipant 205]

@jackinov Ok that little edit you just did is reading waaayyy to deep into what I was saying. Being myself? Lol. Anyways, what you’re saying about marriage is a false dichotomy. It’s not that black and white. I firmly believe that family is the keystone of Western Civilization and once it is removed, the entire thing comes crumbling down. I do understand the endless amount of s~~~ you guys had to go through, but you guys are telling other guys to not even take the risk of finding a woman to marry. I believe that is dangerous. People put their lives at risk everyday (driving a car for example), I don’t think marriage is a risk people should be throwing away. This is coming from a Christain Conservative by the way so you can at least see where I am coming from.

"In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem, government is the problem." - Ronald Reagan

[Anonymous 43]

Hooking up with a woman is far riskier than driving a car. Until you have been wrecked by a woman and the divorce courts, had everything taken away and your kids poisoned against you, you know not of what you speak.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

@Lone Wolf: I’m still waiting for you to figure it out.

ProTip:

Lone Wolf wrote:

I firmly believe that family is the keystone of Western Civilization

You are never going to understand MGTOW using tradcuck “logic”.

[Lone WolfParticipant 205]

You say that bro like it is an inevitable consequence. I’TS NOT. Only if you allow it to be. Your’e not helpless. How about teaching men how to save their marriage, instead of teaching men how to run away from it altogether?

"In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem, government is the problem." - Ronald Reagan

[Can’t Stump TrumpParticipant]

Lone Wolf wrote:

You are cherry-picking from the Bible. Did the Bible mean what it said LITERALLY when it said the earth was 6,000 years old? No.

In fact, I’m doing the opposite of cherry picking: I’m quoting controversial verses that most modern Christians would prefer to pretend don’t exist at all because they contradict their own gynocentric narrative. You can bulls~~~ all you like about how wives don’t actually have to submit to their husbands (even though that’s literally word for word without any qualification or nuance what St. Paul said), but St. Paul is not speaking to postmodern deconstructionists, he’s speaking to simple and largely uneducated Christian communities who need guidance on how to live life. His directives are perfectly clear and forthright. There is simply no just cause for assuming he meant anything other than what he literally and plainly stated.

Also, the Bible doesn’t say the earth is 6000 years old. Have you read the entire Bible, I wonder? I have. A better example might have been the infamous “four corners of the earth” (Isaiah 11:12), which appears to suggest that the earth is flat and square-shaped, though in fact it is merely using a well-known and common idiom that people still use today. We speak of the sun as rising and setting, which is clearly not literally true, but everyone knows it isn’t, and isn’t meant to be taken that way. What justification is there for not taking St. Paul literally?

Lone Wolf wrote:

You should try hearing how Christains depict the meaning of those verses, rather than taking them literally.

And you should be aware that you sound like a fool when you speak to someone who knows more about Christianity than you ever will in your entire life as if he doesn’t know what Christians have to say about the Bible. I’ve probably read more Scripture commentaries than everything you’ve read in your life combined. Is it a coincidence that not a single commentator – not Jerome, not Augustine, not Aquinas – thought to suggest that St. Paul didn’t actually mean what he said until the age of modernity and women’s liberation? Isn’t it odd that only in a post-feminist world where Christian churches are afraid of alienating their liberal parishioners do priests and pastors suddenly start glossing over Ephesians and conveniently sidestepping the topic of female submission? I’ll take the centuries of commentaries from the Church Fathers and Doctors over some post-Vatican II liberal hippie who needs to appease his feminist congregation any day.

Women are better at multitasking? Fucking up several things at once is not multitasking.

[Buller100Participant 2189]

Not true, walking away is walking away .. Feminism is about smashing men up , using men..

MGTOW is passive really , the OP is just so far wrong its not true ..

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Lone Wolf wrote:

You say that bro like it is an inevitable consequence. I’TS NOT.

6% man.

6%.

And most of that 6% are miserable anyways.

Buller100 wrote:

Feminism is about smashing men up , using men..

Spoiler: So is Traditional Cuckservatism. So is what the feminists dishonestly like to call “patriarchy”.

[Lone WolfParticipant 205]

Yeah, yeah, yeah @sidecar I was reading too fast and skipped over the part where you said MGTOW “recognizes [the destruction of the family] as the reality.” No need to badger me about it bro. The problem I have is that MGTOW is indifferent to that destruction and I firmly believe that this indifference will be one of the many things responsible for the absolute destruction of the West.

"In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem, government is the problem." - Ronald Reagan

[Can’t Stump TrumpParticipant]

Lone Wolf wrote:

How about teaching men how to save their marriage

How can a man save his marriage? He has no legal power. When the wife says “I’m not happy anymore I’m leaving and I’m taking the kids,” what exactly do you suggest he do? No-fault divorce, the tender years doctrine, and life time alimony ensures that the man will lose unless he can prove in court that his wife is a child abuser, alcoholic, and drug addict, and even then his chances of winning custody are doubtful.

I’ve never seen a man come out on top in a divorce. I know it happens, but I’ve never seen it. If you choose to marry, the odds are not in your favor to say the least.

Women are better at multitasking? Fucking up several things at once is not multitasking.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Lone Wolf wrote:

The problem I have is that MGTOW is indifferent to that destruction

Wrong again.

MGTOW simply know better than to tilt at windmills.

Can’t Stump Trump wrote:

If you choose to marry, the odds are not in your favor to say the least.

There’s an understatement.

6%.

[Buller100Participant 2189]

Lone Wolf wrote:

@jackinov Ok that little edit you just did is reading waaayyy to deep into what I was saying. Being myself? Lol. Anyways, what you’re saying about marriage is a false dichotomy. It’s not that black and white. I firmly believe that family is the keystone of Western Civilization and once it is removed, the entire thing comes crumbling down. I do understand the endless amount of s~~~ you guys had to go through, but you guys are telling other guys to not even take the risk of finding a woman to marry. I believe that is dangerous. People put their lives at risk everyday (driving a car for example), I don’t think marriage is a risk people should be throwing away. This is coming from a Christain Conservative by the way so you can at least see where I am coming from.

There is no risk in marriage for a man , none at all.

If a man marries he will pay a lot of money supporting the women through the term , he will pay a lot of money supporting the kids that may even be his, if the women decided the wants out he will pay lots of money and indeed have his children poisoned towards him.

There is no risk.

He will have little sex as he wont want it after a while, he will be bored with her after a while.

Driving a car is a risk , marriage for a man is no risk there are certainties just which ones.

As for a women marriage , no risk she will get supported by a man who earns more will get a great deal if they divorce . there is no risk for either party.

One wins one loses.

[Anonymous 14]

Same end goal? End goal of Feminism is break the game in their favor via entitlement, end goal of MGTOW is to walk away from a game that is broken on many levels, not only broken by women, but by the State as well in favor of women.

A strange game.
The only winning move is not to play.

Now if you mean the endgame is the destruction of the nuclear family, well, that was already done long ago, so if viewed from a religious Tradcon position who still wishes to see it be as it once was, well, newsflash, it is long past f~~~ed.

[Buller100Participant 2189]

Can’t Stump Trump wrote:

Lone Wolf wrote:

How about teaching men how to save their marriage

How can a man save his marriage? He has no legal power. When the wife says “I’m not happy anymore I’m leaving and I’m taking the kids,” what exactly do you suggest he do? No-fault divorce, the tender years doctrine, and life time alimony ensures that the man will lose unless he can prove in court that his wife is a child abuser, alcoholic, and drug addict, and even then his chances of winning custody are doubtful.

I’ve never seen a man come out on top in a divorce. I know it happens, but I’ve never seen it. If you choose to marry, the odds are not in your favor to say the least.

A mans attitude or what he does is irrelevant , when married the women has the 52 cards .. gets what she deals him.

A 2 a 3 and 5 as a rule.

Save a marriage thats funny ..Given most are long cons , how can you save that ?

[JackinovParticipant 5229]

Do your own research and/or get the hell out. MGTOW doesn’t seem to be a fit for you. It’s for smart people. This has already been explained. MRA is more your style.

are you a chia pet in man drag

[Can’t Stump TrumpParticipant]

Lone Wolf wrote:

The problem I have is that MGTOW is indifferent to that destruction and I firmly believe that this indifference will be one of the many things responsible for the absolute destruction of the West.

To accuse MGTOW of being indifferent is fair enough, as it’s true in many cases. Indifference to things which are outside of your control is a central tenet of stoicism, which is an extraordinarily red pilled school of philosophy. But to accuse the indifference itself of being responsible for the destruction of the west is just another form of white knighting, pointing the finger of blame at literally everything BUT the actual guilty party: women themselves.

All I ever hear is “it’s the Marxists, it’s the Muslims, it’s the Mexicans, it’s the immigrants, it’s the MRAs, it’s MGTOW,” when the answer is plain as the nose on your face: the group of people who are daily consciously destroying families is none other than the one group which it will always be taboo to blame, because no one is willing to hold them responsible for anything, and that group is WOMEN THEMSELVES.

MGTOW didn’t cause the problem, and there’s nothing we can do to solve the problem, so we are making the most sane and rational choice: walking away.

Women are better at multitasking? Fucking up several things at once is not multitasking.

[Lone WolfParticipant 205]

@Can’t Stump Trump That’s actually a good argument. I’ll look more into what the past Church Fathers have said about women. On top of that, I actually despise Vatican II, especially it’s popularum progressio. Ever since then, there have been all of these Marxist ideas that humans have a right to food, water, shelter, healthcare, etc. within the Catholic Church. Wouldn’t be surprised if the Church in a couple years throws out abortion and just war theory as well. The Church is just becoming the Democratic Party Platform. Oh and dude of course I blame women. Hahaha I wasn’t arguing that they aren’t mostly responsible for all of this divorce. Of course I think they are. I just don’t agree with MGTOW satirizing the sanctity of marriage, as if it is nothing more than a futile prison. And I didn’t mean save his marriage in the legal courts, I meant trying to make the relationship work. I doubt that every single man who got screwed by his wife was just the perfect husband who tried everything he could to salvage the relationship. Hell, you can’t know all the little reasons that led to every single one of these marriages going down south. I smell victimhood, it sounds like your playing the left’s/Feminist’s game.

"In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem, government is the problem." - Ronald Reagan

[Anonymous 43]

once hypergamy sets in, the man is doomed. there is no coming back from that. The betrayal and the loss of identity is too horrible for many men to take, and they kill themselves.

What saved me from self immolation was fear that my dog would be hurt by sniffing around my burning body.

Until you go right to the edge of oblivion, when you lose the will to live, then you realize everything was a lie. Lose it all today, tomorrow has to be better. Living through the first day was the hardest day of my life.

I can tell people my story, I can caution them about marriage. Not much I can do once a man decides to marry some woman. He thinks he is marrying a life partner. He is in fact marrying a parasite.

Feminism and MGTOW do not have the same goal. Feminism seeks to promote women over men, and MGTOW seeks freedom from women.

Men are waking up to the fact that being with a woman is dangerous, expensive and painful.

[Lone WolfParticipant 205]

@sidecar The abandoning of “traditional cuckservatism” as you call it has already been done. Look at the black family, since the 60’s, the single motherhood rate in the african american family increased from 20% to 70%. What was the result? African American men being over-represented in drugs, gangs, crime, and murder. It’s growing up without a father that can lead to these results, just ask any credible psychologist. When you abandon family, there’s a high liklehood that there will be an increase crime. Is that what you want?

"In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem, government is the problem." - Ronald Reagan

[GrumpyParticipant]

Lone Wolf wrote:

MGTOW satirizing the sanctity of marriage, as if it is nothing more than a futile prison.

Women and the courts turned the “sanctity” of marriage into a satirical circus of tears, not MGTOW.

Lone Wolf wrote:

I meant trying to make the relationship work. I doubt that every single man who got screwed by his wife was just the perfect husband who tried everything he could to salvage the relationship.

Have you tried to make a failed marriage or relationship “work”? It isn’t supposed to be a full time job on top of ones regular employment for crying out loud. When SHE wants out she’s out, with most of your stuff, AND it WILL be your fault. PERIOD.
As for the “perfect” husband bulls~~~. Just like the “perfect” wife, both are works of fiction. Just look at the statements on file for any divorce. That “no fault” clause is actually used to initiate but all husbands are to blame for divorces. That’s the line every divorcing woman claims.

There was a time in my life when I gave a fuck. Now you have to pay ME for it

[Lone WolfParticipant 205]

@jackinov Yeah… you don’t get to start an argument with me and then back out when you don’t have anything intelligent to say. Then go about speaking in broad generalities and telling me to “get out.” You’re just siding with the majority out of convenience and it’s cowardice.

"In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem, government is the problem." - Ronald Reagan

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