MGTOW and Feminsim both have the same end goal.

[Can’t Stump TrumpParticipant]

Lone Wolf wrote:

I’ll look more into what the past Church Fathers have said about women.

Aquinas on Ephesians 5: https://dhspriory.org/thomas/english/Eph5.htm#8
Chrysostom on Ephesians 5: http://biblehub.com/commentaries/chrysostom/ephesians/5.htm

And underneath the heading, links to about 40 other classic Bible commentaries on Ephesians 5: http://biblehub.com/commentaries/ephesians/5-22.htm

Lone Wolf wrote:

On top of that, I actually despise Vatican II

All right, we have some common ground at least.

Lone Wolf wrote:

I just don’t agree with MGTOW satirizing the sanctity of marriage, as if it is nothing more than a futile prison.

Using phrases like “the sanctity of marriage” is not really conducive to a discussion in a MGTOW forum. The sanctity of marriage or lack thereof is wholly irrelevant when one considers that not even Christian marriages are immune from the divorce laws of the state. If you think conservative Christian women will be faithful and remain loyal to their wedding vows, you are sorely mistaken, as I can attest from what I have personally witnessed.

MGTOW lambaste marriage because in modern western society it is truly objectively a very bad deal for men, sanctified or otherwise. If you cannot see this, I cannot help but wonder regarding the purpose of your presence on this site in the first place. You can talk about the importance of marriage to society in PRINCIPLE all you like, but that is only tangentially related to MGTOW, which is about confronting the reality of marriage in PRACTICE in our current age and environment. Marriage may not necessarily be bad in theory, provided stipulations are present for the protection of the man in the relationship, but because those protections are wholly lacking, there is no question that marriage is bad in reality.

Women are better at multitasking? Fucking up several things at once is not multitasking.

[bladeParticipant]

Listen to the interlects and stop been a motherf~~~er

THE PLANTATION HAS NOW TURNED INTO THE KILLING FIELDS . WOMAN ARE NOW ROLLING CAMBODIAN STYLE .

[JackinovParticipant 5229]

Nobody started an argument with your dumb ass. Go get married. If you think it’s so great, why aren’t you already? Put up or shut up, no nuts.

You’re attempting to blame mgtow for the symptoms while ignoring the cause.

Modern marriage is a joke, and deserves to be ridiculed and avoided.

This is the last thing I’m going to say to you, Mister Save a Ho.

are you a chia pet in man drag

[Lone WolfParticipant 205]

@Can’t Stump Trump Alright, fair enough. You’re right. MGTOW is focused on abandoning of how marriage is practiced today, not on destroying the principle. Christian women of today are not those say a hundred years ago who didn’t even have the idea of divorce on their mind. Now I have a question: Is MGTOW’s way of taking back the mainstream culture… getting men to walk away from marriage? Or is MGTOW’s purpose entirely distinct from the fate of mainstream culture?

"In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem, government is the problem." - Ronald Reagan

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Lone Wolf wrote:

The abandoning of “traditional cuckservatism” as you call it has already been done.

And nothing of value was lost. Because traditional cuckservatism is just as gynocentric as feminism.

Look at the black family,

Not necessary.

african american

Just say Black.

When you abandon family, there’s a high liklihood that there will be an increase crime.

You are confusing fatherhood with family. The two are not synonymous. But yes, I do know that fatherlessness correlates strongly with criminality, probably a hell of a lot better than you do, but both are consequences, not root causal.

Is that what you want?

Of course not. No MGTOW actually wants more criminality. No MGTOW wants more fatherless children in the world. So we prevent fatherlessness by not having children. Can’t you see how that is utterly different from feminism, both in motive and method?

[HitmanParticipant]

f~~~ it.
TUNA,
i’ll take a point.

[Lone WolfParticipant 205]

@jackinov Calm down dude. Are you really just going to stop responding to me because my posts are just that offensive to you? Whatever, I’m throwing around ideas here man, no need to get personal. I’m 18 years old so I’m not gonna be nutting up to marriage anytime soon bro lol.

"In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem, government is the problem." - Ronald Reagan

[bladeParticipant]

Hes been drinking baileys from a shoe

He is f~~~in with us . Funny c~~~

THE PLANTATION HAS NOW TURNED INTO THE KILLING FIELDS . WOMAN ARE NOW ROLLING CAMBODIAN STYLE .

[Lone WolfParticipant 205]

@hitman Yeah… clever.

"In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem, government is the problem." - Ronald Reagan

[Lone WolfParticipant 205]

@blade What in the hell does that mean? Do you live in Scotland?

"In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem, government is the problem." - Ronald Reagan

[GrumpyParticipant]

Hitman wrote:

f~~~ it.
TUNA,
i’ll take a point.

I disagree Hitman, of course I could be wrong.
My guess is a thesis for a social/political/gender agenda.

There was a time in my life when I gave a fuck. Now you have to pay ME for it

[bladeParticipant]

Lone Wolf wrote:

@blade What in the hell does that mean? Do you live in Scotland?

Calling you a scaly manfish .

Wheres ya interlect mangina boy

THE PLANTATION HAS NOW TURNED INTO THE KILLING FIELDS . WOMAN ARE NOW ROLLING CAMBODIAN STYLE .

[Lone WolfParticipant 205]

@sidecar Fair enough. You’re right. I guess it would only be a problem if there was a huge estimated decline in human population. And how is African American PC? It seems a lot more accurate to me than black because there are some dark hispanics who can be characterized as black.

"In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem, government is the problem." - Ronald Reagan

[MGTOW_MikeParticipant 6253]

Lone Wolf wrote:

Christian women of today are not those say a hundred years ago who didn’t even have the idea of divorce on their mind.

Not too sure about Christian women specifically. But check this out XD.

A tranquil mind is neither happy nor sad, it is uninfluenced by external conditions.

[Lone WolfParticipant 205]

Anyways, that’s it guys I’m done. I’m exhausted. And clearly after a lot of arguing, I have now come to the conclusion that I was wrong about MGTOW. Thanks guys this was one hell of a discussion.

"In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem, government is the problem." - Ronald Reagan

[MGTOW_MikeParticipant 6253]

Lone Wolf wrote:

Anyways, that’s it guys I’m done. I’m exhausted. And clearly after a lot of arguing, I have now come to the conclusion that I was wrong about MGTOW. Thanks guys this was one hell of a discussion.

Hats off to you brother. Real b~~~~ to admit your mistakes/misunderstanding.

Gentlemen, you have saved another brother from impending doom!

Kudos to all of you.

A tranquil mind is neither happy nor sad, it is uninfluenced by external conditions.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Lone Wolf wrote:

I guess it would only be a problem if there was a huge estimated decline in human population.

How is that a problem? Too damn many people in line at the DMV already.

And how is African American PC?

“African American” is just another step on the euphemism treadmill to say “not-quite-fully-american n~~~~~”.

Blacks are just as fully American as you are. Probably moreso. No qualifiers needed. Either there’s no such thing as an “African American”, or, if you look back far enough, every American is “African American”.

It seems a lot more accurate to me than black

You’re worried about accuracy?

You ain’t exactly actually white either, Pinkie. But you’re still called “White” or “American”. So why don’t you have to settle for bulls~~~ qualifier euphemisms?

[Lone WolfParticipant 205]

@sidecar Good points pinkie, but I’m not even white. I’m hispanic. Or at least that makes me half european and half native american. Anyways, it’s pretty comical how you’ve already made an enemy out of me in your mind, so you go all out of your way to one up me on everything and make little snide remarks. Let it go man. I started this thread to discuss ideas not start petty fights. Nonetheless, you made some pretty valid points throughout this thread and I appreciate all of the effort.

"In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem, government is the problem." - Ronald Reagan

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Lone Wolf wrote:

Good points pinkie,

More of an umber or russet, actually. Or possibly whatever the f~~~ taupe is.

but I’m not even white. I’m hispanic.

That’s “white” from where I’m sitting.

Anyways, it’s pretty comical how you’ve already made an enemy out of me in your mind,

Why would you even think that? Firstly, you’re taking things too personally. Secondly, you are seriously overestimating your importance. You’re just one more person who fundamentally doesn’t understand MGTOW.

But you might.

Which is why I dropped into this thread at all.

[Anonymous 38]

Men are prone to thinking women are inherently evil but really this is early on in their coming to terms with reality and female nature. Wiser men know women aren’t evil, they just are. A crocodile might have deadly intentions towards you but it isn’t evil. It would be absurd to claim that. Ergo, a woman is not evil for following her instincts and drives. Women can certainly be cruel, but ‘evil’ is something reserved for only exceptional cases of both men and women.

Lone Wolf wrote:

then MGTOW’s solution is to fix the culture we live in

Nope. MGTOW is most often about SELF preservation and not rescuing the culture. We don’t have to fix s~~~.

We used to be fixers. Then we saw the game for what it is. We are utilities to be used as fixers until we are not needed, then discarded. We wanted more for ourselves. Call it enlightenment.

Knowledge is power. These ‘foolish generalizations’ bring sovereignty and power back to ordinary men. So perhaps ironically, MGTOW is actually doing something to ‘fix’ the culture whether that is intended or not.

Don’t be like a woman claiming generalizations don’t have a place in thought. They do. Generalizations often form the foundation for real learning.

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