Christian/Religious MGTOW is it possible?!

[LetX=XParticipant 13]

I am Christian I am MGTOW.

Many examples of men who didn’t marry, or father children in The Word.

Jesus is the best example. Yes, a man can be MGTOW and a practicing Christian, nowhere in the Word does it say that in order to have salvation marriage is required

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

TYE wrote:

I have been very 50/50 with my faith, but recently I have made the decision to permanently embrace it, and to stop thinking about the role women play in Christianity. No verse say’s I have to directly communicate with the tyrants, and I refuse to let them dictate my life. Has anyone else faced obstacles maintaining faith, and MGTOW status? The only problem I see is that most religions aim to unite men, and women…which in this day and age is a no go. Do you ignore certain things that ask you to engage in anti MGTOW behaviors?!

Here is Bible verses I see supportive of MGTOW:

/forums/topic/bible-verses-supportive-of-mgtow/

You follow a more monk approach, and look to maintain maximum freedom, to serve a higher purpose.  You don’t go the wife route, and you do it for liberation reasons.  It isn’t a case of identifying oneself as a “real man” or whatever, but have liberty.  And if a woman wants to go that way, that is fine.  I also will end up not caring what other roles genders have with Christianity.  I care what role I have with my life here.  I don’t engaging in raging gender wars (I am not a MRA).  MGTOW is just what I do, and I don’t violate my personal principles as much as possible.  The Christian tradition has multitudes of men who went their own way as monastics, and didn’t go the married route at all.

As for other religions, I can’t speak for them.  I just can say it is compatible, and can be argued to be preferable actually.  It just isn’t a form of one’s own ego to do things, just the single life for a higher purpose.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[TheKricketParticipant 0]

I rarely comment, as I am a silent man. I am a Christian, nevertheless, I spare no ill-will to other men~ nor try to state my faith. I try living as I believe, on my own road, on my own path……and respect any other man to choose his own, religious or not. I do not believe in organized religion, but rather in individual relationship with my creator alone. But that is me. And I do not expect nor am I mad at any who chooses otherwise. I am at peace with my road. Your road is not mine. But I will stand up for any man with a fundamental focus as my own…..to go the way we choose…..AS MEN. For in so doing we have set the groundwork ~ that we are brothers. And that is far more important to me than any female faux relationship. Can a man be MGTOW(or MGHOW) and a Christian? I say yes you can. God originally intended Adam to be alone anyway.

But I’ll not raise my voice against you if you don’t believe as I. Your road is yours, my road is mine.

Proverbs 27:19.     As in water face reflects face; so too, the heart of man reflects man.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

And, related to this is my YouTube channel I just put up: The Sling of David.

Think of it as an intersection of MGTOW and Christianity, with my own personal biases, so reject what you like, but feel free to give feedback.  I didn’t really find anyone doing it, so I decided to do this channel.

Here is the link to it:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCOs7g4oEoPwJT_Es-c_inhQ

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[TruthspoonParticipant 1289]

Christianity is totally compatible with MGTOW…. in fact Christianity is proto-MGTOW in my view…..

The Bible is full of sage advice about not letting your lust dictate your life and celibacy in the New Testament is considered ‘a gift’.

Question is…. did Jesus have a ding-dong with Mary Magdalene?

We know the Da-Vinci code and the bestselling book Holy Blood Holy Grail tries to make a case that they had offspring…..

I sure hope not….. I’m having the time of my life being celibate and having nothing to do with women… and Jesus is my homie (whatever that means, I heard the cool kids say it once on the TV player)….

I sure hope he didn’t let me down by casting his rod about in murky waters….. any views about this?

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

Truthspoon wrote:

Christianity is totally compatible with MGTOW…. in fact Christianity is proto-MGTOW in my view….. The Bible is full of sage advice about not letting your lust dictate your life and celibacy in the New Testament is considered ‘a gift’. Question is…. did Jesus have a ding-dong with Mary Magdalene? We know the Da-Vinci code and the bestselling book Holy Blood Holy Grail tries to make a case that they had offspring….. I sure hope not….. I’m having the time of my life being celibate and having nothing to do with women… and Jesus is my homie (whatever that means, I heard the cool kids say it once on the TV player)…. I sure hope he didn’t let me down by casting his rod about in murky waters….. any views about this?

The monastic path is one way to go MGTOW.  Other men going MGTOW don’t go the celibate path.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[White DeathParticipant 162]

You’ll often hear atheists say things like “you just have faith because it’s easier and you are afraid” when in fact that couldn’t be further from the truth. It’s much easier to live a life where you believe when you die that’s it. If that’s true you have nothing to lose. I’m sick of hearing s~~~ like this from them. To answer you though anyone from any religious group or lack thereof, race, social group, etc can be MGTOW as long as they’re a man.

[Bread BaronParticipant 23]

I was raised in a tradcon Christian environment, and yes, the environment can be stifling to independent thought. Due to this, the assumption of many who oppose religion is that religious people are close-minded and sheep-like.

However, I’ve found that close-mindedness is a symptom of people in general, and isn’t exclusive or worse for religious tradcons. Leftists, bluepillers and SWJ’s are the most close-minded individuals, and are not always religious.

The fact that some ask if it is possible to be religious and MGTOW or religious and free-thinking stems from an attribution error. People see that religious people are sheep-like, and assume that the reason is due to religious indoctrination. Actually, people themselves are sheep-like and follow whatever their parents and peers tell them. I know atheist families who are firmly planted in bluepill ideology. Religion does not cause people to be sheep. People ARE sheep.

[DOOGLERParticipant 17]

Wandersmann wrote:

We live in a vast and extremely complicated universe that we barely understand, are afraid of death and long for a sense of purpose, belonging and security. Faith isn’t rational but based on emotion, it helps people cope with reality. Much like the worship of women Christianity is a way for men to calm their existential anxiety and take the weight of personal responsibility off their shoulders by submitting to an external authority, which isn’t extactly “a statement of self-ownership, where the modern man preserves and protects his own sovereignty above all else”.

 

Paul even said men should go their own way and that it is good for a man not to touch a woman. The Bible doesnt seem to say that we must accept everyone.. think satanists, pagans, blasphemers, especially woth the whole sandal shaking thing

 

the only annoyance is not being able to have sex unless youre married

[MaxParticipant 887]

You can be a MGTOW and continue to be a christian! The “Angry MGTOW” its a good example of that!

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9kfiDDLBMHiXpaSCUWW4wA/videos

I became a MGTOW because this was the only logical solution for a man survive in a world replete of gynocentrism and biased against men!

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

Max wrote:

You can be a MGTOW and continue to be a christian! The “Angry MGTOW” its a good example of that! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9kfiDDLBMHiXpaSCUWW4wA/videos

Did Angry do any videos where he went into his religious beliefs?  I was curious here.

In my case, I would like to see if anyone else besides me are trying to do a fusion of Christianity and MGTOW concepts in the channel directly (I use Bible verses and so on, and just put a video up on forgiveness).  I am now doing this because I see a huge lack of information specifically for single/unmarried Christian men out there, of which I am one, so I am doing what I can.  I also look to address single/unmarried men period and get whatever help I can.    With my channel, I am not looking to do a “Praise the Lord, isn’t Jesus WONDERFUL!  Just trust and God and it will work out!” sort of thing, but practical reality of what can help and work, to be able to live a better life.  I am up for results not writing checks for God to cash that God may or may not do.  With my take, I consider Monks have been going MGTOW for centuries, so I also want to learn there.

Anyhow, that is my take, and I can’t say it is for everyone, but it is there.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

DOOGLER wrote:

Wandersmann wrote:

We live in a vast and extremely complicated universe that we barely understand, are afraid of death and long for a sense of purpose, belonging and security. Faith isn’t rational but based on emotion, it helps people cope with reality. Much like the worship of women Christianity is a way for men to calm their existential anxiety and take the weight of personal responsibility off their shoulders by submitting to an external authority, which isn’t extactly “a statement of self-ownership, where the modern man preserves and protects his own sovereignty above all else”.

Paul even said men should go their own way and that it is good for a man not to touch a woman. The Bible doesnt seem to say that we must accept everyone.. think satanists, pagans, blasphemers, especially woth the whole sandal shaking thing the only annoyance is not being able to have sex unless youre married

I am of the belief it is a matter of focus.  I believe a good thing with MGTOW side of things, is if you can end up really focused on tasks, then you can cause the sex drive stuff to go to the way side, as you work on more important things.  Idea is to not get caught up in those distractions and go for things of greater value.

Go look up things on “Monk Mode” for more details on this:

http://illimitablemen.com/2014/04/13/monk-mode/

With MGTOW, you can have a life of Monk Mode.  That article is just one of another one of them.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[ManyNamesManyTitlesParticipant 24]

i dont think christainty is compatable with male freedom if thats the root of the question its a belife system that tells men at a root level that there male role and expectation is one of submission and obedience.  a reading of the book the manipulated man tells how women use the church to use and abuse there own children and the men in such organizations. in short Christianity is about obedience and submission…. its all about the religion of authority a religon women follow deeply and seek to in many cases make men the ones in charge. at a root level men are seen in Christianity as nothing more then protectors and providers…. a postion of slavery to be exploted by women. as long as boy from young age is surrounded by men a woman finds ok for him to be around she will make sure he is around such men so that he learns to gain his sense of identity in the foot steps of men she approves of……. if you take things from the opposit extream of feminism where men are seen to be not the head of the house hold under religious   context but in sense feminism is a repackaged traditionalism where at the root men are threw taxs or direct support of women expected take upon once again the female expectation of men to protect and provide so….. whats the diffrence between supporting feminism and or being a christain again???? i mean the base expectation on me in almost all cases is to be the protector and provider of others. unless and untill this can be done away with how is it that men are not slaves to womens and childrens needs and wants. dont get wrong any good man would should take care of his own babys but not with women being the ones to fane helplessness to explote protection and provision that is afforded a child this is all detailed in esther vinlars book the manipulated man give it read at the following link http://www.mediafire.com/view/xilh1s423i6cp56/Esther_Vilar_-_the_manipulated_man.pdf

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

If one views the end in life is maximum autonomy for its own sake, then one can argue MGTOW isn’t compatible with Christianity.  If one says MGTOW is about avoiding marriage, then that can work with Christianity.  Also, if one says that MGTOW is about non-conformity with social norms, to meet end goals in mind that fit some higher call, it can be (in short, the freedom is used for some higher purpose).

But, MGTOW as an ideology unto itself, that holds its tenets above everything else and demands men comply with it all to be consider really MGTOW, then MGTOW isn’t going to be compatible with Christianity, or just any other ideological system, because it demands purity and compliance with what it holds.  Some will say MGTOW is that, but I say if MGTOW takes on such a structure, it has gone into the realm of a cult, and will exclude about everything else.  Thing is that ideologies can be come cults, as has been argued about Objectivism.  Anyhow here, is Wiki on Cult:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[detroitParticipant 0]

1 Corinthians 7 discusses being unmarried and being Christian.

[MaxParticipant 887]

In some videos, he quotes some bible verses!

I became a MGTOW because this was the only logical solution for a man survive in a world replete of gynocentrism and biased against men!

[MaxParticipant 887]

Angry do any videos where he went into his religious beliefs? I was curious here. In my case, I would like to see if anyone else besides me are trying to do a fusion of Christianity and MGTOW concepts in the channel directly (I use Bible verses and so on, and just put a video up on forgiveness). I am now doing this because I see a huge lack of information specifically for single/unmarried Christian men out there, of which I am one, so I am doing what I can. I also look to address single/unmarried men period and get whatever help I can. With my channel, I am not looking to do a “Praise the Lord, isn’t Jesus WONDERFUL! Just trust and God and it will work out!” sort of thing, but practical reality of what can help and work, to be able to live a better life. I am up for results not writing checks for God to cash that God may or may not do. With my take, I consider Monks have been going MGTOW for centuries, so I also want to learn there. Anyhow, that is my take, and I can’t say it is for everyone, but it is there.[/quote]

IGMOW (I Go My Own Way) wrote:

id Angry do any videos where he went into his religious beliefs? I was curious here. In my case, I would like to see if anyone else besides me are trying to do a fusion of Christianity and MGTOW concepts in the channel directly (I use Bible verses and so on, and just put a video up on forgiveness). I am now doing this because I see a huge lack of information specifically for single/unmarried Christian men out there, of which I am one, so I am doing what I can. I also look to address single/unmarried men period and get whatever help I can. With my channel, I am not looking to do a “Praise the Lord, isn’t Jesus WONDERFUL! Just trust and God and it will work out!” sort of thing, but practical reality of what can help and work, to be able to live a better life. I am up for results not writing checks for God to cash that God may or may not do. With my take, I consider Monks have been going MGTOW for centuries, so I also want to learn there. Anyhow, that is my take, and I can’t say it is for everyone, but it is there.

In some videos, he quotes some bible verses!

I became a MGTOW because this was the only logical solution for a man survive in a world replete of gynocentrism and biased against men!

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

Max wrote:

In some videos, he quotes some bible verses!

Ok, thanks.

He does so many videos I lose track of things.  It is hard to find things.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[Math RoninParticipant 86]

It is hard for me to see how I could have been a MGTOW without being free from religion.

I am an antitheist/agnostic. I see my beliefs to be just as much a world view as a philosophical position. To me, freedom from religion means freedom from all unnecessary self imposed authority. It is the basic dictum that I have the right to go my own way because I am free to make my own choices, I am the master of my fate, and I have to take responsibility for my actions and their consequences. A belief in a supernatural being in my opinion shifts that burden and responsibility from where it should be onto something else.

 

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

Math Ronin wrote:

It is hard for me to see how I could have been a MGTOW without being free from religion. I am an antitheist/agnostic. I see my beliefs to be just as much a world view as a philosophical position. To me, freedom from religion means freedom from all unnecessary self imposed authority. It is the basic dictum that I have the right to go my own way because I am free to make my own choices, I am the master of my fate, and I have to take responsibility for my actions and their consequences. A belief in a supernatural being in my opinion shifts that burden and responsibility from where it should be onto something else.

And with myself, I see in religious tradition I have been around now, that going MGTOW has been done for a long time, and I have resources I can pull from that enable me to get some tools to be able to live MGTOW better.  It is a case of having an established toolbox to pull resources from to help.  These tools aren’t really taught by Churches, but are out there.  For myself, going my own way is a path, with the destination being something else.  So, I have the strength of established tradition that has a track record, without a need to reinvent the wheel.  Others may feel they need to, but I don’t.  There are strengths and weaknesses to tradition, so I seek to understand both sides.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

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