Christian/Religious MGTOW is it possible?!

[Anonymous 5]

Hombre Libre wrote:

…the christian version of eternity is either eternal suffering or eternal dictatorship… this makes sense since Isaiah 45:7 says the Bible God created evil and calamity.

I prefer freedom from both, and the imaginary god.

HL

Now now don’t temp “imaginary gods”. You mite not even get punished.

[JustAnotherGuyParticipant 143]

Execration,

I would ask you to consider these possibilities:

RE: Man was created to BEAR the image and…

Consider?: Man was created IN the image and..

RE: Man is a generic term for human beings.

Consider?: And also (depending on the context) a term for ‘man’ as in male.

RE: The male and female relationship serves the purposes of God, not the …

Consider?: Female was created FOR man. (This does not mean they are ‘less’ valuable, but different)

Gen 2:18 “And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet (helper) for him.”

1 Cor 11:3 – “But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.”

RE: ..loving an animal is on an animals level.

AMEN. But nice. And it makes us feel good. And it makes them feel good such that they purr or wag their tails in affirmation.

RE: That is what God saw, not Man.

Consider?: Man saw that (she was good) until the ‘Apple’.. <my tongue firmly in cheek> – Which was the first acquired unnecessary [and VERY COSTLY] consumable product.. Purchased without consideration of cost.. Then, I suspect, you are correct.

Your ZINGER is completely accurate and absolutely irrefutable.

RE: And a wife’s job is to love her husband by…

Consider?: A woman cannot love a man in a way a ‘man’ can relate to. I know this is STRANGE. The bible doesn’t command a woman to love her husband. It commands her to RESPECT her husband. Further, Paul even tells ‘older women’ to teach younger ‘how to love’ (suggesting this is not something understood naturally..)

Titus 2:3-4:

“3 The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things; 4 That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children, 5 To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.”

You do have it down though. When you consider ‘Romance’ is a Roman idea that perverts and extends the idea of male sacrifice toward the woman INTO sacrifice and CONTROL by the woman..

Things become clear. So very obvious.

[JustAnotherGuyParticipant 143]

Hombre: eternal suffering or eternal dictatorship..

Where did you read ‘eternal dictatorship’? I’m not familiar with that verse?

You *ARE* correct in that everyone has a choice between heaven or hell. FREE CHOICE.

I was raised catholic, and I can imagine where you might have picked that up when you were young.

The 10 commandments aren’t RULES to be followed. <gasp!
shocker! And this isn’t a religious site, but this is a ‘religious’ topic, so within the confines of this ‘topic’ I will be happy to explain WITH REFERENCES <[read Galatians and you can do it yourself though 🙂 ]>

They’re given to show that Man isn’t PERFECT (believe it or not, some people think they are ‘good enough’ to go to heaven. They believe God has ‘scales’ he uses.

Again, read Galatians (and I can give you other books or references in the New Testament in whichever version you choose to back this up.

Here is a taste, but the entire theme of that book refers to ‘works’ being worthless. (and I could give you chapters (several) from many (most?) books in the new testiment that pound this (MOST IMPORTANT POINT IN THE NEW TESTAMENT) truth home..

The letter to the Galatians was in fact written to this church because they began to believe (as you assert) that WORKS (good deeds) mattered!

This is COMMON though, among christian and non-christian. The words they read in the bible are ‘GREEK’ – tongue in cheek. “Grace” in the bible means “Undeserved Favor”, Gospel means ‘Good news’ – not truth.. So the modern turn of phrase “Gospel Truth” means “Good news truth” not “Absolute truth” , in other words, it is a stupid saying in the context it is commonly used in.

Martin Luther was a MGTOW priest, whom many credit with the creation of the Protestant Reformation.

Galatians was his ‘red pill’ When he understood it, he created the 95 thesis, nailed it to a church wall, ran off with a Nun and began brewing and drinking beer, often writing some pretty ‘over the top things’ regarding the pope and lived his own way until he died at the age of 62 in 1546 in Eisleben Germany.

[IRuleMeParticipant]

It’s definitely possible, But I don’t see why someone would. If the object is to free yourself, religion is the antithesis of such freedom. Since religion is designed with the intent to strip from one their individuality, sense of self worth and value, to make them a follower, lead them to depression (that living in this world isn’t worth it, that this world is evil, and that they need to look for the end times when the savior returns and they can live in the paradise known as heaven), that takes their money and uses it to fund their agenda… Religion is an institution.

The bible, like religion, written to control man, is filled to the brim with fairytales and junk science. From Earth having been made before the sun, to humans being swallowed by whales who can only swallow plankton. To people turning to stone, and burning bushes that talk.. It’s like a Harry Potter novel. If a flood described in the bible actually occurred, the damage that would have been done from a magnetic poles standpoint would have literally destroyed the planet. God would have had to make an entire new one. Noah, and his boat of millions of species (explain how the kangaroos got to the ark) would have never survived that type of flood, nevermind the fact the ark would have never been big enough to hold all those types of animals in the first place – at best making it a local flood, and at worst a badly plagiarized version of the flood of Gilgamesh.

The amount of sheer bulls~~~ that goes into religion and the the bible/quran/insert whatever other texts you like, could not possibly be believable to anyone of any intelligence willing to question anything about the world they live in. If you’re at a point in your life where you can question the system you live in how as it pertains to society at large, and women, why would religion be any different?

Regardless of that, if someone chooses to believe, and that makes them happy, then good for them. Ultimately MGTOW is about men finding their own way in life, building their confidence, and putting them on the path to better existence, whatever means necessary. If religion helps in that process, fine, but I have some questions…

I don’t mean to insult anyone or start any kind of flames wars, but I’ve seen enough of what religion is. I watched my mom bounce from church to church over a number of issues, be it changes in leadership, changes in doctrine… And since the age of 4 – since 1988, I’ve watched her easily toss $60,000 over the entirety of her time in the church TO the church. To help them fund their propaganda, while in the process, splitting my family up. Even going as far as to move to another state, and spend more money in a “religious college” to get a degree and end up working for that same school.

[JustAnotherGuyParticipant 143]

“Religion” is. Yes.

Christians who know their stuff don’t consider Christianity a “Religion” There are NO RULES to them who accept Christ as Savior and payment for their sins – past, present and future.

Insane right? That *is* good news! That is the ‘Gospel’.

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Just so this doesn’t degrade into something strange, I’m bowing out here 🙂 I respect everyone’s free will to believe as they choose.

Nobody’s beliefs – mine, or anyone else’s make a person better than anyone else. Period. We’re all the same.

.. Here, we are untied MGTOW brothers. ..That should always be primary in the context of this arena.

I feel we should remember that this place is a place for MGTOW to be able to be accepted.

To accomplish that, I feel it is best when things get too far afield to swing things back to why we are ‘here’ on this site.

That is the MGTOW brotherhood!

My final: All faiths (or none) can be MGTOW, since Going Your Own Way is a philosophy, not a set of rules.

In that vein, I would add, (..remembering “Angry MGTOW’s” one time rant) that the ONLY exception is that if you FOLLOW (take orders from/ controlled by) a woman, you’re not going YOUR own way, but HER own way.

[Hombre LibreParticipant 261]

Perhaps this book will be helpful for this discussion:

http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/god-the-failed-hypothesis-victor-j-stenger/1112159662

[Rafe GBParticipant 474]

I don’t think so, no. Churches preach tradcon but unfortunately women still are the majority of divorce filers.
I have never heard a sermon on the evils of divorce. Hurts feelings, makes the collection plate a bit lighter.
A spiritually minded person who is not a part of a religious system? Yes.

(Is that agnostic? Not sure.)

MGTOW: The silent heralds of cataclysmic societal change. AGAIN!

[Anonymous 1]

No, it is not possible to be religious and MGTOW. Religion has to do with materialistic things. Laws, taxes, bodily punishments etc. It comes from the latin ligare (meaning to tie or bind). Think of the word ligament or ligature in this sense. Re-Ligare, meaning to re-tie or re-bind, which is exactly what the Romans used Christianity for. If you look at the dark ages and middle ages, the Church was primarily concerned with property rights and taxes. At one time you had to buy an indulgence to get your loved ones out of purgatory when they died. This stuff wasn’t cheap either. When a baby was born you had to hike over to the Church and have them baptized because if your baby died it would not be saved. Religion is essentially a money making scheme.

That being said, you can still be Christian and MGTOW though. I will use Jesus Christ as an example. He went his own way and spiritually connected with God the Father. He had confrontations with the Religion of his time the Pharisees, who were busy making money in the temple. A spiritual journey has nothing to do with materialism. You don’t have to follow any Dogma. Its your personal communication with the God. Spirituality will set you free, Religion will Re-Bind you.

[TruthspoonParticipant 1289]

JustAnotherGuy wrote:

“Religion” is. Yes.

Christians who know their stuff don’t consider Christianity a “Religion” There are NO RULES to them who accept Christ as Savior and payment for their sins – past, present and future.

Insane right? That *is* good news! That is the ‘Gospel’.

—-

Just so this doesn’t degrade into something strange, I’m bowing out here I respect everyone’s free will to believe as they choose.

Nobody’s beliefs – mine, or anyone else’s make a person better than anyone else. Period. We’re all the same.

.. Here, we are untied MGTOW brothers. ..That should always be primary in the context of this arena.

I feel we should remember that this place is a place for MGTOW to be able to be accepted.

To accomplish that, I feel it is best when things get too far afield to swing things back to why we are ‘here’ on this site.

That is the MGTOW brotherhood!

My final: All faiths (or none) can be MGTOW, since Going Your Own Way is a philosophy, not a set of rules.

In that vein, I would add, (..remembering “Angry MGTOW’s” one time rant) that the ONLY exception is that if you FOLLOW (take orders from/ controlled by) a woman, you’re not going YOUR own way, but HER own way.

Wow. Someone who actually understands.

Very rare these days.

Though clearly the aim is to try to be a better person.

But Jesus knew this world was a trap and and owned and controlled by Satan.

He really p~~~ed Satan off because he gave people a way to escape from guilt and damnation.

A Christian admits their guilt and strives to better and Jesus guides us on this path.

While those who reject Jesus and languish in their sins, admit no guilt and continue to perdition.

[IRuleMeParticipant]

Rafe GB wrote:

I don’t think so, no. Churches preach tradcon but unfortunately women still are the majority of divorce filers.
I have never heard a sermon on the evils of divorce. Hurts feelings, makes the collection plate a bit lighter.
A spiritually minded person who is not a part of a religious system? Yes.

(Is that agnostic? Not sure.)

And yet they’re not shunned. Isn’t that ironic. Because women are what prop up the institution of religion, while simultaneously getting their manipulated man to pay forward the financial contributions. My mother gave on average $6,000 a year to whatever church she attended. Whose money do you really think that was? LOL.

[Anonymous 12]

While those who reject Jesus and languish in their sins, admit no guilt and continue to perdition.

And that is exactly why i reject christianity.
Those that accept Jesus are conrolled by his message, and therefor not free, at elast not “on this side of death”.

Follow the red book!
Follow the green book!
Follow this message!
Live by that commandment!
Pray 3 times a day!
Confess your sins!
Hate and kill anyone who does not follow my message!

Blah.
MGTOW goes his OWN way.
A MGTOW will find his own path to his diety, even without other Humans dictating his actions.
and as such he will create his very own mini-religion, in the aim of making himself a better human.

Awoken to the lies, past red pill rage, compassionate to those he deems deserving compassion, and ignoring the fools that drown in the sea of blue pills.

MGTOW encompasses spirituality, and depending how MGTOW one is, Religion can be discarded like the desire to bang women.

MGTOW can be the answer to almost everything.

[TheStormWithinParticipant 778]

But Jesus knew this world was a trap and and owned and controlled by Satan.

He really p~~~ed Satan off because he gave people a way to escape from guilt and damnation.

After all these years, you would think an all powerful being would actually DO something about that “Satan” motherf~~~er.

Aunt Esther: Fred, I'll have you know this body was blessed by Mother Nature!! Fred: Well, too bad your face was cursed by Father Time!

[ubadomParticipant 6]

Good for your for having the guts to publicly embrace your faith. Men of great faith or no faith at all have been victims of female nature, so we shouldn’t be attacking each other here or arguing about faith vs atheism / evolution. We should be giving each other moral support and encouragement. The idea that Christian men have to marry to have happy meaningful lives is utter nonsense. Unfortunately, leaders in the church give no support or encouragement to men in finding out if they have the strength to remain single. I’m a Christian man. I’ve been married 30+ years to the same woman. Trying to have a rational conversation with women, Christian or not, is nothing short of maddening. Christian women engage in passive-aggressive mind-games and s~~~ tests just like unbelieving women. They cheat on their husbands and then lie about it just like unbelieving women. And they are every bit as selfish and carnal as unbelieving women. And when they get caught cheating or called out for their selfish carnal behavior, they use the same kind of convoluted bulls~~~ rationalization to try to justify it. You’ll get no help or support from pastors. Most of them are married, but not happily. They just don’t have the courage to admit that getting married was the biggest mistake of their lives. So they grit their teeth and try to make the best of a painful situation. I know many Christian men who have been faithfully married to their wives for decades. I’ve asked them if they would remarry or date if something happened to their wives. They almost unanimously agree in their response. “No way!” It’s not that their wives are unfaithful monsters. They’re just egocentric emotionally needy control freaks who have sucked the life out their husbands. Your best chance of being a successful Christian MGTOW is to find healthy productive ways to spend your time, and associate with other Christian men who have been married and who understand the wretchedness of female nature. The best reply you can give to to someone who tries to get you to engage in anti MGTOW behaviors to pointedly tell them in unambiguous language to back off and mind their own business. If they persist, terminate your relationship with them. They’re a vexation to your having a peaceful spirit. Keep the faith.

[surfdude12Participant 4103]

Jesus was very MGTOW. I don’t recall reading any story about him getting pussy whipped. I don’t recall him saying men should worship women. Hell, he convinced 12 men to DROP THEIR WIVES and join him. Notice too how he picked ALL MEN, and NO WOMEN. How more MGTOW can you get? Not to mention that he was constantly at odds with authority and constantly blasted for DARING to have his own opinion and deviating from the system? He is TEXTBOOK definition of “going your own way”. Hell he DIED for going his own way.

[JaredParticipant 3]

Gentlemen,

Every single person makes a faith choice. You have faith in evolution, or not. You have faith in God, or not. You have faith there is no god, or not.

You do not have a CHOICE whether or not you BELIEVE in something at the root level. You have a choice WHAT you believe, that’s it.

Now, Christianity is simply this: Repent of your carnal ways, because the Kingdom of God is at hand. The Kingdom of God is another reason to live other than money (Or “Mammon” the fleshly desires).

Jesus comes into the picture because once you repent, his sacrifice is what allows all your past transgression against the Kingdom to be forgiven. There is a giant bill to be paid.

You repent, Jesus Christ says, “Bro, thanks for seeing the light, it’s all good. You’re good now.” You now serve a different master other than your carnal desires. You are now given the strength (No more condemnation) to be a friggin badass MGTOW motherfer if you want, or an Alpha TRP style guy who DGAF about this world. The only f~~~s given are for the Kingdom.

Jesus allows you to truly NGAF about this world or what’s in it. He also allows you to not be crushed by condemnation once you realize how s~~~ty you live, because of your pride/sin.

Jesus was MGTOW, but really, he was MGGW (Men Going God’s Way). As He acknowledged that he was doing the will of His Father in Heaven.

You don’t have a choice whether or not you are a slave. You have a choice what/who you are a slave to. You are a slave to your desires, or you are a slave to God and His Kingdom. You are a slave to self or a slave to God.

If you don’t believe God exists you are a fool. Look around, law of entropy anyone? Evolution is a scam. You are telling me if I leave my toaster outside for a billion years it will turn into an animal? No, it will disintegrate as the entire universe is disintegrating. That destroys evolutionary theology right there. Why is the universe destroying itself, yet evolving in other areas? The only evolution is the creative capacity that is God-given to men, because we are like Him, and that is awesome.

As far as those on here who believe God exists, but aren’t willing to commit to any one god. You are committing. You are believing in some god or some form of god. It’s just you want to believe in the one that allows you to justify your behaviors/actions/past/etc, because you are most likely afraid of something.

God exists, Jesus is His Son, and you are forgiven of sins through this whole deal. This is neither provable nor disprovable. So, there is reason to believe it, because YOLO, may as well do it for God instead of your own selfish crap.

FEAR of the Lord is the BEGINNING of knowledge. If you don’t fear God, you have no knowledge nor are you capable of gaining any knowledge. You become that which you fear. If you fear death, you become death in all you do. If you fear God, you become life in all you do.

Sincerely,

Jared

P.S. PM me if you have any questions.

[Keith JosephParticipant 0]

Christianity doesn’t unite men and women, Christ says himself if you can receive it receive it{ being a eunuch} which insinuates if you cant girdle up your loins u gotta marry to avoid the curse. so every man on here should act like he is grabbing his sack ( girdling his loins) which actually means to protect it, because it is for the gift of children from a wife who fears the Lord. Im not pontificating, I am a sinner and dumbass, but I like this group, get away from women for a while, but destroy the white knights.

[Tubal-cainParticipant 7]

Hello gentlemen. I’m new to MGTOW and the forum. Nice to see that the discourse here appears more civil than sites like Return of Kings. Mention anything personal, or your faith on that site, and the young Turks spew vile attacks. I’m a 60-year-old man, and I was born into evangelical Protestantism. I wasted my prime and good years on johnny-come-lately denominations, low value women, and dead end toxic jobs. Late in life, I converted to the Eastern Orthodox Church (Antiochian Orthodox), and I found my peace in the ancient and unchanging faith of the church of Peter and Paul. I’m not on here to slug it out with protestants and atheists, I’m on here to say that my faith now works for me as a traditionalist man, and an MGTOW.

[harpo-my-“SON”Participant 2410]

I have changed my position concerning the expression of my religious beliefs.. All shame put aside I believe there is a god for me.. This god is the chosen heavenly spirit of my earthly father. This belief that his spirit can guide me to be moral in character in no way infringes on anyone else’s right to have beliefs of their own.. I have decided to bring him back to life in person eighteen years after he was put in a fort smith Arkansas national cemetery. All that is needed for him to be a living person again is living flesh as his spirit is alive in my heart hosted with Jesus and his personal identity is not dead just has no flesh to animate it. I have filled out a living will leaving all my earthly possessions including my living flesh to the heavenly spirit that I choose to do the lords work for me. He will be my one true living God.. I have a right to interpretation of my rights and I interpret my right to religious freedom as the freedom to choose the heavenly spirit that does the lords work for me personally. I claim the right to live in my fathers identity and finish his bucket list as he expressed disappointment about having more that he wanted to do on this earth when he was diagnosed with terminal lung cancer. I claim this as my right to pursue my happiness. Jesus said “find a man’s treasure and you will find his heart”. My heart is with the man who is self evidently my creator and he told me many times that if one of us had to die he would lay down his life so that I could live on. The most precious thing my creator gave me was my life so I am returning the favor. I will live using his identity so as to prove at least one man’s God lives and in his spirit I will endorse my own rights. Can you bring a man back to life? I will and prove you cannot take a mans rights no matter what you have done, for you will never steal the spirit of a heavenly father from the heart of his faithful son. My flesh belongs to the spirit of my father and is his regenerated (one generation newer) body. I claim he can only be alive in his own kingdom of heaven on earth and that’s where I am unless anyone has evidence otherwise. Heaven is where the heart is and that is fact I laid down my spirit and let my fathers come back.

I was bound to be misunderstood, and I laugh at those who misunderstand me. Kind mockery at the well intentioned, but unfettered cruelty towards those would be prison guards of my creative possibilities. This so as to learn as much from misunderstanding as from understanding. Taking pleasure in worthy opponents and making language fluid and flowing like a river yet pointed and precise as a dagger. Contradicts the socialistic purpose of language and makes for a wonderful linguistic dance, A verbal martial art with constant parries that hone the weapon that is the two edged sword of my mouth.

[BadgerParticipant 2277]

Very rarely in these discussions does anyone ever stop and demand: “What precisely do you mean by the term ‘God?'” It is apparently falsely assumed that everyone “kinda knows” what it means. To which of the 2,500 gods in the

Encyclopedia of Gods

are you referring?

If any of you have ever studied philosophy or semantics, you will understand that the discussion cannot go beyond this point. We MUST know what you are talking about!

If you describe this deity as supernatural, then you run into epistemological problems of how can you know what is beyond the natural. If you give attributes to this deity, you also limit what often is assumed to be something without limits.

George H. Smith was a philosophy professor and outlines all of these problems of definition in Chapter Two of

Atheism: The Case Against God.

I suggest that you read it and refute all his arguments and tell us how you and the rest of us can know this “god” to which you refer if you insist it exists.

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