Christian/Religious MGTOW is it possible?!

[KeymasterKeymaster]

@harpomason.

This message just came in for you via the contact form from the member “JJ”. We thought it was very honorable of him and promised we would forward it to you. I would have sent it privately through email but others should see it too and although I am mostly unaware of the negativity which ensued, perhaps this will put him back in a more positive light:

Hello; I was recently a member with the name “Jj”, I’d like to apologize for my behavior on the site and especially apologize to a man that goes by the name “HarpoMason ” if you could let him him know that I am deeply sorry for the ways in which I treated him over a misunderstanding about the definition of “respect” and that the responsibility of the misunderstanding is left on my plate when I could have rephrased my stand point instead of flipping out on him. My deepest apologies sirs; have a good day. Jj~

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[harpo-my-“SON”Participant 2410]

Thank you  KeyMaster I do have his email as I sent a private message to him just before the topic in questing was taken off the forum..I will check to see if he responded privately….I hold no grudges and he never became lesser of a person or member in my eyes for loosing control…I would never hold someones anger as a reason not to like them, even if its directed at me, (because I do push a button when its exposed)….my mind has been change a bit because of this in one regard for sure…I learned to control my emotions long before finding this forum…This formula I have in my brain is being tossed out and rethought……anger+intolerance=hate….We never stop learning and the best lessons are what we learn about ourselves…..That formula is trash…and I will not jump to any conclusions based on it in the future…Both Jj and Terminal should be looked at with no less respect and admiration than before…I feel a bit ashamed but also enlightened….again thank you Jj and Terminal for the lesson…

I was bound to be misunderstood, and I laugh at those who misunderstand me. Kind mockery at the well intentioned, but unfettered cruelty towards those would be prison guards of my creative possibilities. This so as to learn as much from misunderstanding as from understanding. Taking pleasure in worthy opponents and making language fluid and flowing like a river yet pointed and precise as a dagger. Contradicts the socialistic purpose of language and makes for a wonderful linguistic dance, A verbal martial art with constant parries that hone the weapon that is the two edged sword of my mouth.

[Anonymous 43]

Keymaster wrote:

Hello; I was recently a member with the name “Jj”, I’d like to apologize for my behavior on the site and especially apologize to a man that goes by the name “HarpoMason ” if you could let him him know that I am deeply sorry for the ways in which I treated him over a misunderstanding about the definition of “respect” and that the responsibility of the misunderstanding is left on my plate when I could have rephrased my stand point instead of flipping out on him. My deepest apologies sirs; have a good day. Jj~

I’m sure glad to read this one, thanks KM, I feel allot better hearing a much more positive note from Jj, I liked him right from the start, and wouldn’t mind hearing from him again, we have allot in common on personality…. He’s a s~~~ tosser, this forum can be overwhelming for beginners. Jj’s OK! His anger is justified, he’s from Massachusetts, need I say more? NO!

[John DoeParticipant 743]

Anonymous wrote:

Hey “monkey fingers” you’ve been shamed by a guy that looks extremely upward to an astrophysicist and can’t comprehend all he wrote, like it’s from god or something, so we have you (monkey fingers) and your “God” at the bottom. 2nd, we have Monkey keeper shamming monkey fingers, all the while not fully understanding his professors interpretation of astrophysics; therefore who is the follower and who is the leader?

And you know what p~~~es me off?  I didn’t even get a banana.  But that is no big deal,  because according to Rainman, I am the primal origin of mankind.  I actually feel complemented.   All philosophy and rational thinking began with monkeys, according to the evolutionist.  So I guess you can say I am the origin of rational thinking.  What an honor.  Thanks, I actually appreciate it.  To have all those insults given then to be complemented to such a high degree is above words.

All jokes aside, my unanswered criticisms remain.  I accepted Terminal’s criticism’s and answered them.  However none of mine were answered.  No point in repeating what will be ignored.

[Anonymous 43]

Here you go “fingers”, that’s your new nick name around here, fingers! Now shut up and eat your banana! (just kidding about the nick name) You better hurry up and eat your banana before some troll gets a hold of it! She’ll hand you back a stink banana!

 

 

[JollyMisanthropeParticipant 3356]

Keep religion out of it. I respect other people’s choice to have religious/spiritual beliefs, I just don’t want to hear about them. I keep mine to myself as well (I’m not religious by any stretch but nor am I an atheist).

If you can practice your religion and keep away from the plantation then you can certainly be MGTOW.

 

The Children of Doom... Doom's Children. They told my lord the way to the Mountain of Power. They told him to throw down his sword and return to the Earth... Ha! Time enough for the Earth in the grave.

[WolfgarParticipant 21]

JollyMisanthrope wrote:

Keep religion out of it. I respect other people’s choice to have religious/spiritual beliefs, I just don’t want to hear about them. I keep mine to myself as well (I’m not religious by any stretch but nor am I an atheist).

You’re statement is inconsistent.  You first said to keep religion out of it and then you said “I keep mine to myself” but then you tell us a little bit about your religious beliefs by saying “I’m not religious by any stretch but nor am I an atheist”.  Granted it’s not saying much about your beliefs but you have not kept them to yourself.

Besides, this thread invites religious discussions – “Christian/Religious MGTOW is it possible?”.

Would you clarify your last statement?  Specifically in regards to the “plantation”.

[JollyMisanthropeParticipant 3356]

Wolfgar wrote:

ChaosOverAll wrote:

Keep religion out of it. I respect other people’s choice to have religious/spiritual beliefs, I just don’t want to hear about them. I keep mine to myself as well (I’m not religious by any stretch but nor am I an atheist).

You’re statement is inconsistent. You first said to keep religion out of it and then you said “I keep mine to myself” but then you tell us a little bit about your religious beliefs by saying “I’m not religious by any stretch but nor am I an atheist”. Granted it’s not saying much about your beliefs but you have not kept them to yourself. Besides, this thread invites religious discussions – “Christian/Religious MGTOW is it possible?”. Would you clarify your last statement? Specifically in regards to the “plantation”.

People tend to jump to conclusions if you have a critical opinion on religion, they have a tendency to lump you in with atheists or similar groups, I’m just nipping that assumption in the bud.

If religion leads you to embracing the traditional marriage and family then you aren’t a MGTOW. Religions all over the world have tended to urge or outright coerce men to accept marriage as part of the cultural norm.

The Children of Doom... Doom's Children. They told my lord the way to the Mountain of Power. They told him to throw down his sword and return to the Earth... Ha! Time enough for the Earth in the grave.

[WolfgarParticipant 21]

JollyMisanthrope wrote:

If religion leads you to embracing the traditional marriage and family then you aren’t a MGTOW. Religions all over the world have tended to urge or outright coerce men to accept marriage as part of the cultural norm.

What is your definition of “traditional marriage”?

[JollyMisanthropeParticipant 3356]

Wolfgar wrote:

ChaosOverAll wrote:

If religion leads you to embracing the traditional marriage and family then you aren’t a MGTOW. Religions all over the world have tended to urge or outright coerce men to accept marriage as part of the cultural norm.

What is your definition of “traditional marriage”?

The one that makes up the majority in the US. Man, woman, married legally by the state, living together, joint assets, etc. What else would it be?

The Children of Doom... Doom's Children. They told my lord the way to the Mountain of Power. They told him to throw down his sword and return to the Earth... Ha! Time enough for the Earth in the grave.

[WolfgarParticipant 21]

JollyMisanthrope wrote:

The one that makes up the majority in the US. Man, woman, married legally by the state, living together, joint assets, etc. What else would it be?

Then according to that, I’m still MGTOW.

My definition of traditional marriage predates the advent of a marriage license when the state became a 3rd partner in the marriage.  There were no “joint” assets.  The man was the head of the household.  The state does not belong in a marriage.  Things just went downhill from there and then hard core feminism ideals were inserted into the culture and things got exponentially worse.

I have no problem with this definition of marriage.  But in this day and age with feminazis in charge here in America and elsewhere, I do not have any hope of finding someone.  Would I like to be married according to my definition?  A few years ago I would have said yes.  But now I don’t think so.

[DakotaParticipant 341]

A Parable by Dakota:    Three men walk into the wilderness and are confronted by a bear.

The first man is a man of faith and so he brings his holy book.  He is confronted by the bear, quotes a scripture, sees that his faith fails him and throws his holy book at the bear.  The next morning, without emotion, the bear s~~~s out the man.

The second man is also a man of faith and so he brings his holy book, but also brings a gun.  He is confronted by the bear, quotes a scripture, sees that his faith fails him and throws his holy book at the bear.  He then decides to shoot the bear and kills it.

The third man is an atheist.  He only brought a gun.  When confronted by the bear he shoots it and kills it.

The Moral:  Have faith if it makes you feel better, but also have a back-up plan for when your faith will undoubtedly fail you…unless you want to become bear s~~~.

[WolfgarParticipant 21]

The fourth man is a Christian who has read the Bible and prayed ahead of time, is prepared with at least a .44 mag or better yet a 45-70 rifle.  When confronted by the bear he shoots it, kills it and then says a prayer of thanks.

The reason he is already prepared with a weapon is because Jesus told him to own one.
(Luke 22:36)  Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

At least you are much better at insults than some other people on this website.  Your parable is a very creative way of saying that faith is useless.  [golf clap]

But faith is not the issue.  Everybody, even atheists have faith.  In your parable the atheist had faith in a firearm that would work and ammunition that wouldn’t misfire.  Faith in the firearm made the atheist feel better.  What is his back-up plan if the firing pin was broke or the ammunition misfired?  Since he only brought a gun then he doesn’t have a back-up plan.  I guess he wants to be bear s~~~.

The real issue is what you put your faith into.  My faith is in Jesus.

What do you put your faith into?

 

[AsatoParticipant 1]

I find no conflict with my Christian faith and my mgtow path. In fact, I’d argue the Bible endorses mgtow in many ways.

[AsatoParticipant 1]

Dakota wrote:

My definition of traditional marriage predates the advent of a marriage license when the state became a 3rd partner in the marriage.  There were no “joint” assets.  The man was the head of the household.  The state does not belong in a marriage.  Things just went downhill from there and then hard core feminism ideals were inserted into the culture and things got exponentially worse.

 

Exactly. I’ve noticed many mgtow cannot separate modern marriage, where the state arbitrarily imposes itself into our personal lives, and what I like to call ‘mere’ marriage, where it’s simply a VOLUNTARY vow between you, your spouse, and God. Many of the negative connotations attributed to marriage is due to the state’s use of force and coercion in a relationship that’s none of their damn business. This is more of a political matter rather than a social one imo. But people tend to naively conflate the two.

[DakotaParticipant 341]

Wolfgar, the moral is not that faith is useless.  The moral is that the gun made all the difference.  Faith, quoting scripture, and the holy book were all irrelevant.  I could have said, “…and prayed a prayer too” but that would have also been irrelevant.  The gun was the only thing that saved these men.

Also, I don’t mean to insult anyone.   If you walk and talk to Jesus, it’s all good.  Jesus had courage and he wasn’t afraid to p~~~ people off.  I want to be just like him because I like to p~~~ people off.   If meditating on Jesus helps you to be more like him, I say do it.

Your use of the word faith is stretching things a bit.  You asked me what I put my faith into.  I do not put faith into anything; not myself, a gun, or any other thing, person or idea.   I do have confidence.   Confidence that in the day that the bear comes for me I’ll be prepared.   Confidence that I’ve fired the gun many times, that it’s clean and lubricated and that my aim is true.  Confidence that my courage will not fail when the beast comes.  And just to keep things interesting with mister bear, I’ll tie a salmon around my neck and yell to the beast…”COME AND GET ME YOU MUTHERFUKER!”

Faith is a different matter.   Jesus may or may not save the 4th man from the bear; Jesus can be fickle like that.   The gun better be good-to-go.

 

[WolfgarParticipant 21]

Dakota wrote:

Also, I don’t mean to insult anyone.

My apologies for the accusation.

As for the use of the word “faith”…it’s almost midnight and I have to get up at 5.  So I will talk about that later.

 

[Vector VikingParticipant 413]

It isn’t up to any of us to decree what religion or non-religion is most acceptable to MGTOW.

I was raised Christian and it never really set in. I walked the Buddhist path long enough to learn that attachment to any strict set of dogma produces the same negative results, no matter what label you want to slap on it. If Islam is part of you going your own way, then roll with it. Nobody here or anywhere has the authority to excommunicate you from your own path.

Kinda the whole f~~~ing point, right?

I just hope that all of you guys get the chance to really enjoy your lives.

[harpo-my-“SON”Participant 2410]

MG-TOWER Whats with the asterisk>?  * seen you hit several topics like that, just curious.

I was bound to be misunderstood, and I laugh at those who misunderstand me. Kind mockery at the well intentioned, but unfettered cruelty towards those would be prison guards of my creative possibilities. This so as to learn as much from misunderstanding as from understanding. Taking pleasure in worthy opponents and making language fluid and flowing like a river yet pointed and precise as a dagger. Contradicts the socialistic purpose of language and makes for a wonderful linguistic dance, A verbal martial art with constant parries that hone the weapon that is the two edged sword of my mouth.

[NeversaydieParticipant 51]

I think Christianity is all bulls~~~ and lies… but, if it makes you happy and a better person you would be deranged not to embrace it and make it a part of your life.

I was raised in church and have read the bible… all of it.

No god would want man to suffer at the hands of an abusive woman.

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