Christian/Religious MGTOW is it possible?!

[Math RoninParticipant 86]

I’ve learned with age is that one of the biggest mistakes we make is to assume others are like ourselves. I believe each man comes to the truth by his own path. Mine works for me and yours works for you. And what could be better than that?

I simply give my own opinion so that those who might not know yet which path works for them and finds mine resonates with them may gain some courage and wisdom into their own journey and what path they must take. To your point about how religion gives one a “ready made tool box”, I can see that. Myself, I am very much an anti-establishmentarian, explorer, and a contrarian, so that would not work for me.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

Math Ronin wrote:

I’ve learned with age is that one of the biggest mistakes we make is to assume others are like ourselves. I believe each man comes to the truth by his own path. Mine works for me and yours works for you. And what could be better than that? I simply give my own opinion so that those who might not know yet which path works for them and finds mine resonates with them may gain some courage and wisdom into their own journey and what path they must take. To your point about how religion gives one a “ready made tool box”, I can see that. Myself, I am very much an anti-establishmentarian, explorer, and a contrarian, so that would not work for me.

And with myself, I apparently have seen a giant sized niche I can do videos in that look to address the area of MGTOW and Christianity, so I am speaking there.  I an a non-conformist, but I don’t seek to just throw anything else.  I do believe each person had to find peace within, and what works for them.  I can’t project any other way.  And with this, I end up following things like the Golden Rule and so on.  For myself, the tradition side is just one of the tools.  I have to rely on some newer, and I have to do a bunch by myself.

Anyhow, my goal now is to be more agreeable when I can.  I follow Paul in Romans 12:2: If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone.

Anyhow, carry on.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[Math RoninParticipant 86]

I am curious, when you talk about “tradition”, do you see religion helpful mostly as a set of moral rules?

And if so, what makes one religion (say Christianity) better than any other religion (such as Buddhism)?

[Anonymous 3]

Math Ronin wrote:

I am curious, when you talk about “tradition”, do you see religion helpful mostly as a set of moral rules? And if so, what makes one religion (say Christianity) better than any other religion (such as Buddhism)?

This isn’t the thread for that. Stay on topic or make another thread.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

Anonymous wrote:

Math Ronin wrote:

I am curious, when you talk about “tradition”, do you see religion helpful mostly as a set of moral rules? And if so, what makes one religion (say Christianity) better than any other religion (such as Buddhism)?

This isn’t the thread for that. Stay on topic or make another thread.

Yep, that is correct.  The philosophy forum on here would be useful for that.  I did see it as Christianity being compatible with MGTOW, and discussing how.  The questing by Math is fine, but just not here.  I am not even going to get into comparing religions, although I have read a bunch.  I just go with what I am trying to get to work for me.  I am sure Buddhists and others can speak about their religion and MGTOW.

In regards to tradition, they are just practices people have done, that seem to have a track record of being useful somehow, either in improvement of self, or to convey meaning that wasn’t really doable in other ways.  There is also a binding of communities together by tradition.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[Math RoninParticipant 86]

@phoenix : Thanks for the heads up….honest mistake on my part, I assure you. I don’t have a lot of experiences with online groups, I’m new here and I can easily digress 🙂

@richard : Thanks for the clarification (didn’t really know what I did wrong and I didn’t want to do it again). Anyhow, that pretty much answered what I was asking, so I’ll stop here for now. But I find the subject of beliefs fascinating, so if you ever want to pick this back up in a philosophy thread, I’d really like that.

[Anonymous 13]

I just drank a bottle of Opus One (the Rothschild whine that’s 260$ a bottle) a few nights ago by myself at first and a friend joined me later.  The barista was a pretty woman about my age and showed some interest, a fit young man in causal clothes just came in and bought the most expensive bottle of wine and drank it like Kid Rock would’ve in his younger years by himself, this was a reaction I was looking for.  However, as the conversation went on she started speaking about her faith to me, I was taken back by that – the proceeds of my consumption went to a Christian organization called “love inc” whom I have met the owners of coincidentally – its a charity organization that does not flippantly throw money at problems, but actually develops personal relationships with the families they try to help (the old teach a man to fish – type of help)

Later that night I joking prayed to satan…cursed god in the morning.  For the last coulple years my character is that I act obnoxious – loud – macho…I dabble in philosophy/thermodynamics and sometimes I’m not sure if there is even a distant creator god – and I definitely wonder if there is a personal “omnibenevolent” god.  I felt his presence multiple times, was it psychosomatic?  I’m not sure – sometimes.  I’m impulsive…I need a foundation to base my beliefs on – I personally believe MGTOW can line up with Christianity – and in irony to some it also lines up with Atheism and Agnosticism.  To deny there are absolute truths thus the law of non-contradiction is to deny everything while simultaneously believing everything.  That statement is irrefutable.

 

I’m having problems right now, many of them – TBI – losing my kids to the court – depression – other problems…I’m finding peace – starting yesterday I made the decision pray and to return to the faith that my ancestors converted to so long ago – though I might have some beserker blood and definitely some celtic blood – we are related – this is an undeniable fact.  I’m choosing the Christian faith again…after much speculation and research.  It is as anti-progressive and as anti-social engineering you could get.  Its the only ideology I can find peace in – its relevant to my life.  Sorry for the preaching – its cathartic.

 

 

 

 

This is a text message I sent to a contact labeled “God” whose number was 000:

“Something can’t be created from a causeless nothing.  However, if you are sole creator, the property of infinity could only exist solely in an inseparable open system, you are everything as such you are not a divine interventional god, but you are all that is evil – free will argument aside – you are all, you are nothing to me and essentially nothing to everything as you are it itself, this is a joke like the united states and its policies and projection in the middle east – the UN and the war in Iraq – like the constitution – like me suddenly not getting to see my kids or raise them – like the courts and the mother that took them – you are them and you are s~~~, literally s~~~ – god you are nothing like me and this life.”

 

I was in a dark place, I still am, but its getting better and I have hope that it will continue to get better.  My pride is my enemy.  I prayed yesterday – and I still felt his presence, I simply asked Jesus to hold me – tears poured down my face – I could feel him – even after all my actions, my lying, my hate, the wrongs I’ve done – peace was still given to me when I asked, even though I’m an asshole.

 

 

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

THOR, I am going to have a video up I think touches a bit on it.  I believe with MGTOW, there is another very valid way for a man to say that he isn’t into women, but isn’t gay.  It seems the oversexualization of love will end up making men out to either be horny losers who can’t get laid, or they have to be gay.  MGTOW is another option, and that is that heterosexual men, who may be physically attracted to women, find other things more important in life than women.  The rest of the blue pill world can’t see this, but MGTOW is a way to see it.  I would also argue that it is possible to have non-sexual love for someone, and it is important that exist, despite what branches of Freudian psychology would like to say.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[DakotaParticipant 341]

Forgive me if I make mistakes, I am brand new to this site and social media in general.

Your post would have been a great topic in the forum called “Introductions” listed first when you click the “Forum” button.

As to the subject of this blog or thread (whatever it is called), I would like to add that it is hard to reconcile Christianity and being a homosexual.

Uh yeah, I could see that.  The Apostle Paul, who wrote 2/3 of the New Testament, wrote in 1 Corinthians 6 9-10 that “Stop deceiving yourselves! Sexually immoral people, idolaters, adulterers, male prostitutes, homosexuals, thieves, greedy people, drunks, slanderers, and robbers will not inherit the kingdom of God.”  Pretty clear.

And if you give a nod to the Old Testament, God told Moses to tell his “chosen people” in Leviticus 20:13, “‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.”  Again, very clear.

Same with women and the priesthood.  Why people try and justify their life by twisting the very faith they cleave too is beyond me.

Who knows, maybe I can help just one person get through one issue.

By like, helping other men “realize” they are really gay?  Dude, this is not Facebook.  I have a difficult time understanding how you went from getting/chasing pussy to desiring that another man shoot hot cum down the back of your throat.  Makes about as much sense as a gay man joining the Christian church…”They are to be put to death…”, your Holy Book says.  Do you find comfort in that?

 

[EdogParticipant 254]

This is not said much anymore, but I believe it is written in Ephesians that a woman is to obey her husband and a man is to love his wife as Christ loves the Church. I find it interesting that God does not require that a woman love her husband, but rather to obey. The higher commandment is given to the man.

It’s then said that there is a correlation to be made, and that is that marriage is symbolic of Christ and the church. The man is the bridegroom, and female is the bride. Likewise, Christ is the Bridegroom and the church is the bride. If Christ is the head of the body and the church, then likewise, the man is the head of the woman since the woman came from the man.

Now, if we keep going with this line of thought. If I am married to Christ, am I allowed to cheat on him with other deities and worship false gods and false ideologies? No, I am not. So just the same, you are not to be perverse here on Earth and use your body for fornication. To not be married and still engaging in sexual activities, especially ones described as perverse is to make it a double helping. That’s one of the reasons for marriage. So that both the man and the woman can fulfill their desires with each other instead of indulging in society in perverse manner.

I agree that love should not be held hostage to sex. God said to love thy neighbor as thyself. Most men will not find my strategy as a viable option, and those are the ones that I most worry about.

I don’t think God meant to be homosexual when he said to love thy neighbor as thyself. This is an issue of covetousness. You’re coveting sexual gratification. And what is your “strategy”? To be gay? So you’re saying that to you, being gay instead of straight for the purposes of sexual gratification is a viable strategy, and that it’s the guys who can’t see this that you are the most worried about? And why would that be?

You think you can reconcile your manipulating social structure and altering your own standards in order to gain sexual gratification such as to be Biblically defined as perverse? You’re admitting you do it. You’re advocating a life of perversion.

You can’t reason this stuff away. If you try, you’re deluding yourself. If you want to be gay, I won’t stop you. You’re free to do as you will as are all others. But you can’t possibly reconcile what you’re claiming with the Bible. It says the opposite on every point.

Isaiah 3:9The shew of their countenance doth witness against them; and they declare their sin as Sodom, they hide it not. Woe unto their soul! for they have rewarded evil unto themselves.

Fast forward…

Romans 1:<span class=”reftext”><b>24</b></span>Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: <span class=”reftext”><b>25</b></span>Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. <span class=”reftext”><b>26</b></span>For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: <span class=”reftext”><b>27</b></span>And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. <span class=”reftext”><b>28</b></span>And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

You can’t live a sinful lifestyle by choice and then advocate it onto others. That’s as anti-Christian as it gets.

I’m not a pandering Christian. I don’t like to play games on these subjects. I’m direct and to the point. It’s not personal. It’s about facts. And the facts are against you on this topic and they always will be.

 

 

[rebelandboltmanParticipant 640]

In my humble opinion, MGTOW is about YOUR OWN CHOICES.   How YOU choose to live YOUR life.   Don’t even worry about anything else or how others perceive you.

[Silpheed1975Participant 355]

I think you can be both, just because you follow any Judeo-Christian church, doesn’t mean you should have to take s~~~ from women. I’m Ukrainian Catholic myself, and feel no reason to let myself be treated as a slave. I refuse to be politically correct, and am completely honest in my dealings with the girl I’m currently seeing. In fact, I think that being a true Christian means that you should want the best for yourself. If Jesus said for us to “Love one another..” That pretty much means he wouldn’t be ok with you getting treated like s~~~ by some over-entitled Sado Feminist. You have a right to freedom and Happyness, with or without a woman in your life. I have promised myself that if my current relationship turns into a Relations~~~….then I’m out for good… I’m 39 years old, and as they say in Lethal Weapon: “I’m too old for this s~~~!”

 

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[SandalsParticipant 4255]

Are we talking Church Christianity or Bible Christianity. Because as far as I can tell, what the church preaches has absolutely nothing to do with any teaching of the bible. The opposite actually. The church is pretty much the devil according to the bible’s own definition of the devil, but maybe that’s for the philosophy forum. I have also noticed, being an active Christian parishioner (no, not my Unitarian phase) for quite some time, that the church is about as anti-male as an organization can get. I do not believe things that are anti-male are compatible with MGTOW. Have you really not noticed that the church is an all out anti-male organization? Church sterilizes men.

With church out of the picture, Christianity itself would then need a definition. Have you noticed the definition of Christianity is constantly changing and never concrete? I personally think there are a lot of obstacles to overcome in making the case for the Christian interpretation of the bible, with all the supernatural stuff, raising from the dead, magic, etc… However, I do believe in the truth of the bible, that is the truth as is meant to be understood from the perspective of understanding, not the perspective of the doctrine called “Christianity”, which demands blind obedience and cannibalistic weekly rituals. I believe Christianity gets in the way of understanding the bible. Christianity is the wolf in sheep’s clothing that comes “preaching in my name”, as was forewarned in the bible. Christianity is the devil’s distraction from the truth contained in the stories of the bible, and wide is its gate, and there are many who go in by it.

So, living a biblical life, I would say is compatible with MGTOW. Living a Christian life… well, I’m not much into flesh-eating and blood drinking. That’s for vampires, sick serial killers, and devil worshipers. Sorry to have to put it so bluntly. I don’t write the Sunday show, though.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

I am in the Orthodox Church, and ended in the Orthodox Church about a decade ago or so as a convert (not the got married into it). For myself, there isn’t a separation of the Bible from the Church. The doctrine of the Bible is taught through church services. It is more of discussing what is out of bounds, because of what can rip the Church apart. In the East, there was a number of councils on the nature of Christ, because someone would go off and say Christ was this or that, and someone else would then argue the opposite, and factions would form. Idea was to have Jesus still be the fullness of the Godhead in the bodily form, and be both fully God and fully man. That is the main extent of these. The other one had to do with the nature of grace. It doesn’t have the nail down every bit of doctrine the way the west does. And it doesn’t have what you see around Protestantism of splitting and dividing over every single split in understanding of the Bible. I know I was around the Churches of Christ (Restoration Movement), which is hyperprotestantism, and they would split over every single different view on things.

In the Orthodox Church, there are only men as priests (in that job as career, with the universal priesthood of the believer is accepted). They stay married when they become priests, and then don’t remarry once their wife dies. If a priest were not married when going in, he stays such. There is also a monastic tradition in the Orthodox Church (and other parts of Christianity also), where men go Monk, which I consider MGTOW. Also, in the Orthodox Church, only men who are unmarried can be Bishops. So, one way to think of it, those in the offices that oversees a group of churches in the area can only be MGTOW. It was found that a Bishop having a wife really distracted from him seeing this. I am of the believe the Bishop office broke off from the Presbyter (priests do this) because of the issues arose when local churches didn’t have Presbyters because they were newly planted, so to make sure such worked, you had the Overseer/Bishop role. The Catholic Church seems to want all its priests to be MGTOW, and that doesn’t seem to work well. They can’t seem to find enough decent ones, based on the problems that pop up.

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[DrexelScottParticipant 30]

If I remember correctly, St. Paul was MGTOW. He said, “He who marries will have worldly troubles” and I believe he remained single until his death. Many great men have been. Even Nikola Tesla had the same complaints in the 1800s that we have now.

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[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

DrexelScott wrote:

If I remember correctly, St. Paul was MGTOW. He said, “He who marries will have worldly troubles” and I believe he remained single until his death. Many great men have been. Even Nikola Tesla had the same complaints in the 1800s that we have now.

It was brought up about the context of the verse in question being a current crisis and that was supposed to be now. I should do a video where I disagree with that. Thanks for the reminder.

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[Cheeky BastardParticipant 323]

I think everybody is ignoring the elephant in the room. Yes you can be a Christian or whatever and be MGTOW too.

F~~~ a lot of the greatest men in history have been MGTOW and still have beliefs in the intangible. That precedent has been set. Even Paul begged God to take away his desires so he could remain MGTOW.

Man, if that’s not dedication to MGTOW, I do not know what is.

Gynocentrisem is intangible but we choose to believe because it fits our frame of reference. Try telling a feminist it exists, because there is a disparity between our views of the world.

In MGTOW there is no disparity why create one.

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[MIKETOWParticipant 757]

It is absolutely possible to be MGTOW and Christian. Or Jewish. Or Muslim. Or atheist. Or any other faith. Now depending on your religion, your peers may pressure you obsessively to get a wife because of tradition. I can see that happening in more orthodox settings. But ultimately your personal life is your personal life. I could be wrong but I don’t know of any religion that COMMANDS you to get married or faith “God’s wrath”. Even if such a religion exists, not all religious people practice every tenant of their faith verbatim. I’m pantheist pagan. There are many, many females in my “community”. But I am still MGTOW.

[Cheeky BastardParticipant 323]

Absolutely. In life man have enough pressures on him that force him to come to MGTOW for refuge, and then having peers within this community putting pressure on him to change irrelevant beliefs that are not in conflict with MGTOW. That to me become scary and is something that I don’t feel comfortable with.

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[Cheeky BastardParticipant 323]

It’s not just that, most of those beliefs are not scriptural. The Torah actually gives no commandment to get married. It only states that God wanted man to survive at the start so we seek “Be Fruitful and Multiply” or you die of extinction.

I can’t say this enough ‘this is not a F~~~ing commandment’ to get married and destroy your life. There is many ways to be fruitful and there’s many ways to multiply. For this reason man would have bred himself into extinction if it was to buy into, putting words into God’s mouth into this ridiculous propaganda move which has the same result (vice versa). I could understand the belief if God had said go forth and breed yourself into extinction but he didn’t.

Masturbation is not sexual promiscuity under the definition of doctrine as well the Psalms actually in endorse the appreciation of women married to your or otherwise as long as she is not another man’s wife and it’s only listed under “do not covet” along with “desire your neighbor’s house” covered in the Commandments as a duel jealousy is a destructive thing. A woman is not a house so don’t relate the Scripture to a monolithic traditionalist ideology.

Sexual Promiscuity by principal is a sexual act with another person with malice and the intent to use exploit another human being for pleasure (depraved porn notwithstanding). Your human instinct tells you what your moral boundaries are, not other people (peter) and you shouldn’t ignore it just because other people have another opinion. Don’t let anybody tell you anything different, because they are not reading the same Bible you are or not reading it at all.

Conclusions; Christianity is not in conflict or in competition with MGTOW.

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