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[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant]

FrankOne wrote:

People generally want to listen to an echo chamber; that is why 78% of Rush Limbaugh’s viewers are conservatives and 57% of Rachel Maddox’s and liberals. http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/01/14/five-facts-about-fox-news/

What is a problem with this here, we face, is with the Internet and search engines trying to pander to worldviews people have, is they get a nice built in bias to direct them to what they want to look at, which leads to people not seeing what is going on. It makes people more and more entrenched in their view of reality and anything that doesn’t align with their own view of reality, ends up being seen as bias or an agenda.

The term “filter bubble” is a label used for this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filter_bubble

The Internet, which should be a source for greater information, ends up only amplifying these biases. One can, if they aren’t aware enough, and disciplined enough, end up buying into groupthink. You see it with social justice warriors, and other pockets, like the alt-right side.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[FrankOneParticipant]

People generally want to listen to an echo chamber; that is why 78% of Rush Limbaugh’s viewers are conservatives and 57% of Rachel Maddox’s and liberals. http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/01/14/five-facts-about-fox-news/

As for the proof that most major polls aren’t faked, I’d refer you to 538 where they rank the pollsters objectively against percent of races correctly predicted: http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pollster-ratings/ Some of them are better than others, but the majors are over 75% with some up to 93% accuracy.

Faust writes: You do not understand. The media has worshiped Hillary for at least the last twenty-five years. The media never says a truly bad thing about her.

Hillary never receives negative coverage? Hillary has received plenty! Why do you think 66% of the public don’t trust her, according to the Fox poll I referenced?

Despite the Lamestream media’s liberal bias, they have covered the e-mail story, for instance. Even NPR! They have to, or they won’t have any credibility.

I would argue there is too much focus on the ‘horse race’ and not enough on actual POLICY issues. Too much focus on Trump’s personality.

One aspect of Trump I do like is he’s not afraid to attack the media.

Evidence Fox is pro-Trump? Sean Hannity has endorsed Trump, and Fox didn’t have any problem with it… His is probably one of their most popular shows… Same for O’Reilly:

“I’d rather have the straight talk of Donald Trump than the obfuscation of Hillary Clinton any day, at anytime.” – Bill O’Reilly

Seriously, even posing that question to me, it’s like asking me to justify that NPR is pro-Hillary. See first link. Just turn on NPR, see if they make a lot of pro-Trump statements! The percent viewership by partisans, of each outlet, will reveal its bias. The larger the difference in viewership between conservatives and liberals, the more biased the outlet is. Simple.

Reuters and other media groups have also weighted their polls 8 to 10 points for democrats. When it is shown that republican votes in the 2016 primaries increased and democrat votes in the 2016 primaries decreased.

No, they haven’t. The polls are weighted against the question ‘How likely are you to vote on November 2nd.’. Again, look at the link pertaining to poll accuracy — if the Left had been rigging polls, they wouldn’t have accuracies of typically 80-90%. Now, the Left used to rig elections (e.g. Chicago). Not so much these days.

But I concede turnout is critical, and one reason polls are off a couple percent. If one candidate’s supporters are a lot more dedicated, they’ll go out to vote… Regardless of rain, snow, etc. I would say Trump supporters are more ‘enthused’ with him, than most Hillary supporters are with her. I would also argue supporters were very enthused with Obama, at least for his first term, because the idiots comprising the American public bought into the ‘Hope and Change’ paradigm and so turned out in large numbers to elect him.

[Anonymous]

John wrote:

So i am wondering if it might be better to unplug from time to time.

Certainly.

As much power there is in mgtow, it is also VERY comforting to be with men that think alike and see things from the same lens. Based on evidence and facts, so it is far removed from an ‘echo chamber’ as a member ‘Snake’ accused of it.

Having said that, I personally, do like to step back and turn my mind completely off from the stink men are conditioned to live in. I took some 4-5 months off posting/reading any mgtow related stuff.

The way I utilize mgtow resources is in dosages and when I feel I am getting pre-occupied with the unfairness of women and their advantages I unplug. And focus on other things.

I like it in spurts. To each their own.

[NotMyProblemParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

I’d suggest heading to the reddit TRP, more of your kind is there sovereign.

eh I was a 25 year old horny kid. Why do you think I decided not to get married lol?

I have married chicks hit on me all day. It’s not my fault if some guy marries/dates a slut. (Hint: they’re all sluts)

Hence the reason I don’t date/f~~~/pursue anymore. You do PUA long enough you end up MGTOW.

NotMyProblem wrote:

Indeed, it needs to be stated. That’s one of the problems. Too many effeminate men running their mouths with impunity. Same way women run their mouths. Eventually they drive all the intelligent discourse away, and it becomes an echo chamber of idiocy.

Lightbringer asked me a direct question, I gave him a direct answer… I dont see how that’s “running my mouth”.

If a 25year old guy gets his dick wet that means he’s effeminate? It’s called oil change dating it had to be done…

Sorry I’m not a white knight on horseback lmao..

Not my property... Not my problem

[Anonymous]

Chaff/Flare wrote:

Sovereign wrote:

LightBringer wrote:
I am curious, did you ever hook up with any of the women you delivered too? It wouldn’t surprise me, esp. if they were secretly married etc
Haha yes I did f~~~ 2 while on the job. Both were married. And yes I came inside! Why not right?

And I lost track of how many young single ones I took. Typically I’d get the number while working, then try to bang em outside of work.

I’d strategically target the ones that were just outside my route. So like a breakfast spot that was 1 or 2 streets over. That way I didn’t have to go there once things ended.

I did the PUA s~~~ for like 3 years. Can’t believe I didnt get herpes. The first wifey(not sure if married or gf) pulled me into the apartment and I blew inside. Never seen her again. The guy was cool, ordered a lot of stuff. He would always offer me a bottle of water when I showed up. But I’m a pig and it’s not my fault his girl was a slut…

Then the next was at an Uncle Bobs storage place. I know for a fact she had a husband but that never matters. Banged her in a storage unit in the dark. Came inside. She was a bit of a chubby but eh.. She moved to another location about a month later so who knows what became of her.

You are a moron with zero character.

Indeed, it needs to be stated. That’s one of the problems. Too many effeminate men running their mouths with impunity. Same way women run their mouths. Eventually they drive all the intelligent discourse away, and it becomes an echo chamber of idiocy.

Better to cut that stuff off at the nub.

I’d suggest heading to the reddit TRP, more of your kind is there sovereign.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant]

There are billions of women out there, but all you need is one? How the hell does this guy expect a man to screen over 3 billion women to find “the one”? The reality is that you don’t have time, or the networking to find “the one”. And in this age of no-fault divorce, odds are you need to find “the one” more than once. And if you sucked the first time at finding “the one” you end up having without the skill, to do it again. Because you keep holding delusions of there being “the one” if you just keep looking.

At least try to make a life where you don’t need “the one”. It is a lot easier to build a life with “the none” and do things, than it is to wait for “the one” to show up, or go look for her. In the whole sexual marketplace and dating scene where those are looking for “the one”, there is a ton of BS going on and faking it to get someone. Then, after the woman gets the guy, she becomes who she really is, because she put up with the courtship, to get access to the guy and then will go into nag mode trying to get stuff she never showed during the dating period.

Shed the delusion of “the one”, and work with having “the none” and get on with your damn life.

And to have someone would require a lot of sacrifice and such, just to make it work. It ends up, on a practical level, where those in the relationship lose so much of themselves for sake of having someone. For me, this loss of self, and one’s way is why it is next to impossible to really go your own way in life, and have a woman. Unless she is totally submissive to you, which is increasingly not likely this day and age due to modernization, you will have conflicts and the guy will have to cave in (give up hobbies and more). And the thing about a totally submissive woman is she isn’t going to bring anything new into your life, just echo your ego. With submissives, you have to do all the heavy lifting of planning. With this, then comes them resenting you if things don’t go right because you did all the work. Oh, but you get ego stroking anb emotional support if you do it right. Wow, so you get an echo chamber. Wowie.

Again, get on with your damn life.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

Story is here

A girl accused her dad of rape. Then, his attorney noticed echoes of ‘Fifty Shades of Grey.’

A father from the United Kingdom had only one defense against his daughter’s accusation that he had raped her for six years: He didn’t do it.

Cathy McCulloch, who became the man’s attorney a week before his trial, noticed something odd about the girl’s statements to police: She used words and phrases that seemed too mature for her age. She described not only what her father did, but also how she felt.

The barrister also found out, after talking to her client for the first time on the first day of the trial, that his daughter’s favorite book is British writer E.L. James’s best-selling erotic novel “Fifty Shades of Grey.”

So McCulloch got a copy of the book, read it quickly and noticed many similarities between it and the daughter’s statement to police. After the second day of the trial, which ended early, McCulloch spent several hours analyzing the similarities to prepare for her cross-examination of the accuser.

McCulloch identified 17 incidents from the girl’s story that appeared to have been lifted from the book, according to the barrister’s website.

The next day, after seven minutes of cross-examination, the accuser, according to McCulloch, wavered.

“She suddenly broke and said I was absolutely right. She had made the whole thing up because she was angry with her father and wanted to teach him a lesson,” McCulloch said.

McCulloch summarized the case in a blog post posted on her office’s website last week.

She said the accuser said her father is strict and was “ruining her life,” according to the blog, so she leveled false allegations based on “Fifty Shades of Grey” and other books.

The jury acquitted McCulloch’s client of all charges. The judge, according to the barrister’s account of what happened, said the case was unlike anything he had seen in his entire legal career.

McCulloch, citing privacy issues, declined to share more details about the case, including her client’s name, the court where the case originated or when her client went to trial.

In an email to The Washington Post, McCulloch said she did not release those pieces of information because “the complainant should be subject to an order against the press publishing anything which may identify her.” The barrister also said that the order prohibits her from releasing the accuser’s age.

McCulloch said criminal cases can be reported in the national press unless a court order bans releasing any information about the case or if an alleged victim of a sex crime is under 18. She added that it’s unlikely for members of the foreign press to be able to get more details about a criminal case unless they know someone in the U.K. who’s willing to share them.

A spokesperson for the Crown Prosecution Service, which is responsible for prosecuting criminal cases in England and Wales, said in a statement that in the rape case, “as with all cases brought to us by the police, the CPS made a charging decision in accordance to the Code for Crown Prosecutors.”

“Such decisions are made after an objective assessment of the evidence which is presented to us. As a matter of course, unsuccessful prosecutions for sexual offences are looked at in order to establish whether lessons can be learned,” according to the statement.

McCulloch, whose practice is mainly focused on fraud and sex and violent crimes, was a police officer before she pursued a law degree. She attended the Inns Court School of Law in London, according to her LinkedIn page. Her office, St. Edmund Chambers, is located in Bury St. Edmunds, about 80 miles northeast of London.

McCulloch said she tries to give her all in every case she handles, whether as a defense attorney or a prosecutor. In the U.K., she said, most independent members of the bar both defend and prosecute.

In another sexual assault case in which her client maintained his innocence, McCulloch said, she instructed her solicitors — legal professionals who provide advice and support to clients — to track down a girl whom police did not pursue for her statement. The girl’s testimony later helped clear McCulloch’s client of charges.

“Fifty Shades of Grey,” which became a blockbuster Universal Pictures movie last year, is the first in James’s Fifty Shades trilogy about a sensual affair between a college senior and Christian Grey, a young and rich entrepreneur with controlling tendencies.

The erotica series sold more than 100 million copies worldwide in 2014, 45 million of them in the United States. The book, originally published in 2011, was on The Washington Post’s bestseller list for 50 weeks.

McCulloch’s client thought the book was about a millionaire who took a young woman under his wing and taught her about art, she wrote in her blog.

“He had no idea what ‘Fifty Shades of Grey’ was about,” McCulloch wrote.

I bathe in the tears of single moms.

[Zuberi TauParticipant]

I don’t care for card carrying femtards nor Sharia Law but this thread is turning into a
echo chamber for /pol/tards.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Roger that to all.

sidecar wrote:

The forums really should remain public. Creating private little echo chambers and hugboxes is for feminists and SJWs. I’m not sure why a private threads or private forums are even necessary.

They aren’t, really and as nifty as the concept of a private forum sounded, it didn’t turn out to be a good idea anyway. Would rather concentrate on making a killer v.2 of the chat which is around the corner and that would be that as far as “private” needs to go.

We have Friday meetings scheduled for the next few weeks and this IDEA of privatizing the forums just came up the other day and we really want to be able to say “NO” and that’s the end of it – not discussing it. So we’re really glad to have your nods on this.

Thanks so much your thoughts.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Anonymous]

If we make a forum that is extreme and in which we say things that the public would not want to hear we are no better than a feminist echo chamber.

RadFemHub tried a private blog within their blog and were infiltrated by an MRA pretending to be a radical feminist it was so extremely violent that RadFemHub is now considered a militant fringe group of the feminists and has been destroyed completely, their last post was 2013.

Underneath Radfem’s veneer of social consciousness, however, and hosted on the same website, is a private forum; the underbelly and engine room for the site as a whole. The discussions there, assumed to be out of the public eye, are virulent and hateful; often peppered with calls for violence. For a long time, they have been successful and maintaining both secrecy and anonymity. Until now.

Over the past several months an operative, who will only be identified as Agent Orange, has successfully infiltrated the group and has collected a trove of information, including over a hundred screen shots that document what can only be called the most shocking evidence of extreme hatred in the feminist movement seen to date.

Radfem Hub: The underbelly of a hate movement

This destroyed Radfem Hub as the latest article on their public site is 2013 and it says that Radfem Hub is only an archive site now.

https://radicalhubarchives.wordpress.com/

Let’s begin in December, 1964 when my mother intentionally got pregnant with me in order to coerce my father in to marrying her. Fast forward through the typical American gynocentric brainwashing to young adulthood. I watched my mother treat my Dad like a servant slave, while I focused on getting an education. Thankfully, both parents were on the same page about us getting educated and college degrees.

I didn’t date much during HS or college because I didn’t make it a priority. Getting the degree took the overwhelming majority of my energies. I did, however, watch my friends date and get dumped by girls. The girls jumped from one branch to another [typically higher on the tree]. This was my first introduction to hypergamy. I see it now, only in hindsight. They left good, honest young men for cheats or drop-outs, and I wondered why.

Upon finishing the undergraduate degree, it was time to leave the nest. I moved out to the West Coast for graduate school, and started dating more. I figured West Coast women might be more honest than the ones in the South. Southern women would lie to your face with a smile on theirs, if they thought they were protecting your “feelings”. I was wrong. Women, everywhere are skilled and prolific liars.
One of the more interesting things I noticed was that women would go ape s~~~ if you refused to f~~~ them. Bear in mind that simply getting laid was not my focus. I still believed in the sanctity of marriage, and foolishly thought females believed the same. I broadened my horizons by dating Asian, Indian [dot not feather], Middle Eastern, black, and latin girls. This was my first introduction to AWALT. I see it now, only in hindsight. I was still watching friends and associates get in/out of relations~~~s, and by a large majority, the girls were the ones to leave them, and I wondered why.

After graduate school, I started to learn my career. 25 years old and thinking that I wanted the American dream of a faithful wife, 2.3 children and a dog [still brainwashed by estrogen]. I made the mistake of dating some of the women at the hospital, where I worked. Dating in the workplace is playing with thermonuclear weapons, gentlemen. When it’s good, it’s very good. When it, inevitably goes in the crapper, it’s a train wreck. I dated 2 [eventual] lesbians, and a load of nut cases. I wasted 3 – 4 years dating a South African woman, who eventually got me fired. She was the type that would break up, and start dating someone else, then call me on Valentines MGTOW day from his bed, telling me how much she missed me, etc. I finally grew a pair and tired of this behavior. As she detected my fatigue, her efforts to manipulate escalated. One day, after lunch, she came to my desk and started giving me s~~~ about something or the other. I said, “When I need the opinion of a dishonest, ungrateful, self-absorbed c~~~, I will call you.” She struck me in the face. 6 days later I was fired for using the “C” word. Never mind that she assaulted me in the workplace, they fired the male. This was my first introduction to the gynocentric s~~~ pile America has become, and it was one of the best things to ever happen to me. I see it now, in hindsight.

After 15 years on the West Coast, I moved back home [TN], and continued thinking that I would get married and start a family. By this time many of my friends and acquaintances were getting divorced and corn holed by their ex-wives. They were getting denied custody, and paying out staggering sums of monies so their former spouses could ride the dick-go-round at the man’s expense, and I wondered why. By this time my mother had given up any pretense of treating my father well. She continued to shame, and berate him in public. One day I asked him why he tolerated that kind of nonsense. “Don’t talk about your mother that way, son.” was his response.

I continued to date a variety of women [same age, younger, older, with/without children, wealthy, poor, in between] and more light was shed on the AWALT phenomenon. As an aside: NEVER get involved with a female attorney unless she’s defending you against a false rape claim. That’s a story for another time. Meanwhile, I was developing a private practice and killing it. I needed to hire some clerical employees. Females were the only applicants for these type jobs, so I had to hire them. This was my first introduction to women’s work ethic [and I use the terms “work” and “ethic” in the loosest possible way]. They expect to be paid to update their F~~book page or watch Youtube videos, with regular cost-of-living raises, etc. This was my awakening to the female entitlement complex, and I wondered why.

Having never married, I discovered MGTOW through a random video on the FoxNews web site, and ghosted the forums for nearly a year before becoming a member. I learned ground breaking concepts supporting my life’s observations and the hypotheses I had formed based on the observations. The similarities between my experiences and yours [aka Snake’s echo chamber] are too many to ignore. The resources available and the articles found by The Patriarchy are pure gold. You young members should listen very carefully to the elder statesmen. We have a wealth of life’s experience to share. Know that nearly EVERYTHING about a woman is temporary — her looks, affection, anger, fidelity, honesty, figure, — all temporary. Her only consistency is to put herself first, and foremost.

I am very grateful for you all and though I don’t know any of you personally, I would give up my space in the lifeboat for each and every one of you.

When women lead, destruction is the destination. -- Me.

[sidecarParticipant]

The forums really should remain public. Creating private little echo chambers and hugboxes is for feminists and SJWs.

I’m not sure why a private threads or private forums are even necessary. I can understand the need for, say, invitational personal threads or personal forums for planning things like MGTOW get-togethers or other personal matters without noisy feminist interference, but that’s not quite the same thing as a blanket private thread or forum.

That being said, it would amuse me greatly to have a trojan horse “Private” forum that isn’t really private (or is easily “hacked” to get into) where we discuss utterly banal or trivial matters. Let the feminists etc. think they’ve sneaked into the Super Secret MGTOW Inner Circle expecting to find sinister secrets and dire plots only to be utterly bored to tears by discussions of the merits of Tom and Jerry versus The Three Stooges.

[Faust For ScienceParticipant]

Moderator wrote:

But if you can read this, we also would like your input if you have any opinion on whether or not you think we SHOULD be doing this already i.e making the forums private altogether and “for members only”.

If you make a forum to restrictive, you risk creating an echo chamber.

It might be best to just limit the number of posts for new members, per hour, outside of editing of their own posts. And make a minimum number of posts for new members before they can post a thread. Infiltrators will try to spam the number of posts quickly, so they can create topics, which will flush them out.

[KillmandrillParticipant]

Yeah do your part in creating an echo-chamber!
Is that the club that publishes the books you recite so eloquently and challenging:

http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2015/06/the-vatican-and-arms-dealers

Very good role model, the church club and their books.

You copied one sentence out of a book that is + 2000 years old, a time where possibly 10% (high guess) of people in what´s Israel and what´s left of Palestine today could read or write, translated to a bunch of languages and dialects, right in the beginning of it´s existence. Later interpreted into western languages like latin an so on.
Ever played broken telephone (chinese whispers) in your childhood?

Who had all those words written down by people being paid for to write it down, and why and out of what reasons?

You can have a /s on most of the above.

Being challenging with the least effort won´t work, that´s why it´s called challenge.

Ah, women. They make the highs higher and the lows more frequent. Friedrich Nietzsche

[ShinyParticipant]

There’s so much wrong with everything you’re saying, and without wanting to sound like an echo chamber (love and kisses Snake!) Sidecar is making soooo much sense you really should listen to him.

Let me quickly give you my objections:

They have always been known to be defective and evil beings. Women are human beings and women are people is the same s~~~ feminists have been spouting for over a century. Women are lesser humans. It is a scientific fact that women are significantly closer to our lesser-evolved, ape ancestors.

Utterly ridiculous. You have female DNA in every X chromosome in your body. What does that make you???

You seem to know your history – kudos – but here’s a quick history of the “they’re not people” mentality:

– middle ages: idiot churchmen (I’m sad to say) debated over whether women had souls and whether they were human. They were celibate idiots who avoided women and argued about them like they argued about how many angels on the head of a pin. An embarrassment to later Christians.
– renaissance: idiots argued over whether black people were human. Because they wanted to enslave them.
– modern era: Goebbels famously said, “Jews are human beings, of course, but they’re not people like us.” Because he wanted to exterminate them.
– currently: feminists support abortion with the, “a foetus isn’t a person” (debatable but incorrect) and, “a foetus isn’t a human being” (idiocy) arguments. Because they want to exterminate them.

Great company you’re in.

Re men dominating women – no, no, no. A man is the head of his household. In this, he models God, as all fatherhood comes from God (St Paul :)) Does God dominate us? Does he treat us as slaves? No, he treats us as heirs and as his children. The position of head of the house is not a position of dominance but of responsibility.

Society no longer values that responsibility men have long shouldered: it is not respected, it is not acknowledged, it is not followed. So, just as in any area, if you take on responsibility only to be disrespected and shamed, you think, “to hell with this” and you walk away. Men are walking away. So they should. You should too. Stop thinking about women, look at the mess you’re in!

As for St Augustine and Albertus Magnus, I’m a big fan. Also a big fan of St Catherine and St Teresa, likewise Doctors of the Church. There have been many good and indeed great women in history. Dozens.

Try this.

No thanks. Women aren’t that important to me.

[alchemistParticipant]

To describe a website about a specific thing as an echo chamber is stupid. Something can only be an echo chamber when there are no conflicting ideas discussed; but we talk about feminism and ask “what really is equality?” all the time.
We all have different ideas here because there is no one way to go your own way otherwise it wouldn’t be your own way.

The only way “a program” I’m making could be an echo chamber is if I forced it on everyone else and blocked out outside ideas.

No, nothing could be further from the truth; I’m emancipating myself from the Black Iron Prison, the State of Mind, Culture, Societal Preconceptions, the False Self, F~~~ those ghosts! My mind is open, this is not a chamber, it is an open space, a landscape, a solar-system, a galaxy, a universe- it is open space.

[Solo MAN’S WisdomParticipant]

Cat’s Paw. First, thank you for your candor. I’m pretty sure a lot of guys on this site struggle, or have struggled with similar issues.
What helped me was learning to think objectively instead of subjectively. The objective thinker uses reason, logic, judgement, conscience, and an understanding of natural law [e.g. laws of science, nature, health, liberty, etc]. This is the masculine thought process. The subjective thinker uses feelings, desires, emotions, hyperbole, and magical thought processes [e.g. “If I wish for it, it will happen.”]. This is the feminine thought process, and sometimes infects men’s minds, but needs to be eradicated.

PS: @snake. Sorry if this sounds like an echo chamber.

When women lead, destruction is the destination. -- Me.

[Anonymous]

I enjoyed the wikipedia definition of “echo chamber”. Not exactly what I had in mind, though.

In news media an echo chamber is a metaphorical description of a situation in which information, ideas, or beliefs are amplified or reinforced by transmission and repetition inside an “enclosed” system, where different or competing views are censored, disallowed, or otherwise underrepresented.

My interpretation of the “echo chamber” is that you have your own words back, just like an “echo”. Also, there is no way a physical “echo” can censor anything. The direct interpretation of what is a real and physical “echo chamber” is actually that you get back everything you say.

Quite the opposite from the definition of wikipedia, isnt it?

So, what we got here is a perfect example of a technique known as “reframing”, where you get a word or concept and you translate it to something else. It gets to a point where it is a common cultural reference in a country, but nobody else understands it.
That is the problem here. In my country we dont use that expression.

This technique is very common. Let us use the expression “Peter Pan” as an example, it changes from a children’s book character to a derrogative reference to a male behavior.

The problem is the automatic nature of assumptions. Nobody wants to be called a “Peter Pan”, as everyone knows its derrogative. Yet, how many people think by themselves about the reasoning behind the “Peter Pan” reference? Is pursuing happiness is a bad thing? Who says what is growing up really about? Why is important to take responsibilities?
There are to many assumptions and social conditioning. There are to many dogmas at play.

Programming and conditioning is all over the place.

[Tiga KParticipant]

We’re not an echo chamber in the sense that we don’t allow differences. I’ve seen plenty of disagreement over things around here and most of us get along just fine. We are an echo chamber in the sense that the same topics get repeated often. I don’t think that is necessarily a bad thing. We get new members all the time and they have to go through those topics as well. It would be easy to tell them to just read through the archive, but they deserve to say what they have to say about the topic and experienced members can reply to the topic with perhaps even more wisdom than they had in the past. Also, being such a diverse group, topics related to women and feminism are about the only topics that everyone can contribute to. I will occasionally start a thread on one of my hobbies, but they never get more than a few replies at the most. When I see someone else post a topic about their hobby in the “cool s~~~ & fun stuff” category, I’m happy to read it, but I probably won’t know enough about the topic in order to reply.

[experiencedParticipant]

“What doesn’t kill us makes us stronger.”
The “stress” induced by Snake IMO is akin to a friend jestingly giving you a shove, thereby forcing you to immediately refresh your balance.
I doubt it was an accident on his part to effectively dispel any notion among lurkers etc. that we’re merely an echo-chamber.

"It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."