Understanding Islam from a Non Musslim point of view

[Anonymous 42]

[Anonymous 7]

If you would like to just remove the thread KM. Go for it. I shouldn’t have made this topic. Never mind.

[OhnoParticipant 668]

Spacemonkey wrote:

So when god tells his followers that it is halal to rape kafir then you better belive that is just what he will do.

I want to add that when an Islamic Caliphate is established the Caliph is the representative of Allah on earth.
So he will totally rule over all muslims.
I think we are going to see that in our lifetime.

[Anonymous 24]

Keymaster wrote:

JoeBauers wrote:

I am going for a bike ride

F~~~ing excellent idea. Peace.

So, let me get this straight- OP says Islam is not a religion of peace, I point out who has been slaughtering who based on lies in recent history, my points are all avoided 100%, and OP is chasing his tail trying to say I was talking about Crusades or some s~~~, this is called misdirection. I see no debate of substance and I call him a cuck, and leave. And now Keymaster is up my ass with all 4 of his inches? Wow, mind blowing. In many threads people have called Muslims Barbarians and all kinds of s~~~… Charles is not making this s~~~ up… Also, Lottery has not made a single decent point. He can not prove Islam is a more violent religion than Christianity is nor Judaism for that matter. And, if anyone were to ever address any of my f~~~ing points about body counts and invasions and destructions of countries based on lies we would actually be having a debate, but nope. This s~~~ is what happens. Keymaster, you have just shown your true colors. You are full of s~~~. I dare you to leave this thread up unmolested for all to see.

Peace-

[Puffin StuffParticipant 24979]

When’s the last time I heard that expression “You just have to pay up, you know, for protection”. “From who” you ask? Well, from them. Pay up or they’ll break your knee caps…or chop off your head.

Sounds like Islam is one big protection scam.

It would make these wise guys proud.

#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.

[Big BossParticipant 4496]

Keymaster wrote:

Well meaning, and reasonable on the surface but I would push back on that enough to say:

• You don’t criticize “guns”… you criticize those who pull the trigger.
• You criticize “the unibomber”…. not white America.
• When a woman has 15 kids, is the catholic church responsible for her refusal to use rubbers?

Who really gives a s~~~ what books they read? I own, read and studied the bible (until I was 17), but it doesn’t make ANY of my decisions. Right and wrong is totally achievable without it. Even DOGS are born with it , and a dog knows when a child is being beaten and abused.

Leave the religion alone and point the finger at the person.

Am I wrong here?

Those people did this.
That person did that.
The book by their bed has nothing to do with it

I’m glad you brought this up.

Certain cultures influences individuals poorly, and can normalize a societal perspective. Islam has never had a reformation. Not that it technically could or needs one, as Mohammad wasn’t peaceful and was a warlord. Terrorists are by all accounts being faithful islamist and are not demonized by Islamic believers as a whole. (For those of you stuck in the propaganda trap I mentioned, yes, of course there are a large percentage of Muslims that are peaceful and do demonize them.)

As a result, individuals are easier coerced into militancy with the blessing of older cultures and governmental norms far removed from the West’s Christian Reformation, Enlightenment movement, and Republic Revolutions against monarchies.

A thought experiment, what makes North Koreans different in behavior than South Korea? Government correct? But remember North Korea has established a unique culture in its courts as seen by the recent trial of that dumbass American tourist. The court members don’t just obey the government rules, they have a uniform behavior pattern that goes beyond simple government mandate.

Another is marxists, if you have noticed even though marxists in America are far removed from government, they have a culture of hostility to free speech, criticism, and while demonizing Stalin’s genocide seem to be the same sort of people that would gladly be just as violent for their radical marxist views.

Culture is very important and is normally overlooked. Our laws are not just gynocentric, it is reinforced by a culture of gynocentricism.

[Anonymous 24]

Anonymous wrote:

Islam is barbaric.

There is your proof Keymaster, in the very same thread. L O F~~~ING L.

And the body count in recent history says the opposite Lottery. Zionist Jews and “Christian” Americans win the barbaric game, hands down. Invasions based on lies. The total destruction of countries based on lies. 1 million plus dead in Iraq based on lies. Palestinians killed endlessly for decades by Israel.

You guys are f~~~ing nuts.

[The Moth Attracted to the FlameParticipant 2982]

Newgrounds wrote:

Honestly this topic is incredibly triggering, are my thoughts on it hateful? I ask this to whoever is reading the thread still, I’m just frustrated at the very existence of such a religion especially after the Belgian attacks 2 days ago. I can’t just pass it off to only being the extremists fault when the base form of the religion supports the actions and killing of the innocent.

Oh God, please don’t use that terminology. We’re not supposed to be here to try to prove that we’re no different from SJWs.

[Big BossParticipant 4496]

The Moth Attracted to the Flame wrote:

Newgrounds wrote:

Honestly this topic is incredibly triggering, are my thoughts on it hateful? I ask this to whoever is reading the thread still, I’m just frustrated at the very existence of such a religion especially after the Belgian attacks 2 days ago. I can’t just pass it off to only being the extremists fault when the base form of the religion supports the actions and killing of the innocent.

Oh God, please don’t use that terminology. We’re not supposed to be here to try to prove that we’re no different from SJWs.

U triggered bro? lol

[SpacemonkeyParticipant 1481]

Anonymous wrote:

And, if anyone were to ever address any of my f~~~ing points about body counts and invasions and destructions of countries based on lies we would actually be having a debate,

You are correct, western powers, chiefly the USA but assisted by UK, have killed at least a million in Iraq. In fact so little did the lives of muslims mean to them that they didn’t even bother to keep count of the deaths.

But you are wrong to conflate the illegal invasion of Iraq with christianity. It had f~~~ all to do with religion and all to do with greed.

Does christianity have the concept of jihad? No it does not but islam does. Holy war is one of the cournerstones of islam and that is why islam is intrinsicly violent while chritianity is not.

“Long is the way and hard, that out of Hell leads up to light.”

[Anonymous 24]

Charles B wrote:

And you playing dumb and acting like you’ve never seen posts like that as a f~~~ing KEYMASTER is just plain retarded.

Indeed. I smell something fishy. Do I really need to go find more proof other than what Lottery just said??? This is comic gold.

[GrumpyParticipant]

As a non-muslim, my personal experiences and interactions with muslims and islam preclude me from saying anything positive about it.
Muslims have killed more Muslims than any other religion or government in history.
Islam has been at war with itself and everyone else around it since its inception and further interpretation by Mohammad.

Subjugation is NOT an act of peace.

There was a time in my life when I gave a fuck. Now you have to pay ME for it

[Big BossParticipant 4496]

Charles B wrote:

Keymaster wrote:

I fought to keep you as a member yesterday.
Please don’t make me regret it.

Fine, f~~~ this website. You guys that can’t see past your tradcon upbringings are f~~~ing stupid.

All Catholic men who are priests rape little boys.

Oh wait, sorry, that was just a generalization. Oh wait, I forgot, this website is supposed to empower men. Oh wait, but not Muslim men. GOTCHA. F~~~ you, and f~~~ this website. I’m not going to keep my mouth shut about the false accusations made about Muslim men every month on here just to avoid causing a s~~~ storm.

[Anonymous 7]

@joe Calm yourself. I provided plenty of examples. Your’e acting as if my viewpoint on Islam is illegal and immoral. Freedom of speech, being on this website you should know that.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Anonymous wrote:

Keymaster, you have just shown your true colors. You are full of s~~~. I dare you to leave this thread up unmolested for all to see.

This thread will remain exactly as it is so that you may refer back to my asking him for a direct reference. I can prove what I said is not full of s~~~ , because I provided references. Directly.

It will also remain up to remind you that we don’t take it lightly – which I also was very clear on. I was also very clear to point out that WE KNOW not all Muslims are barbaric, because I have a Muslim neighbor on one side, and you probably pass 100 on your way to work every day.

Then the hypocrite flipped 180 and said he found it “hilarious”.
While I did not flip and said I did NOT.
That’s called “consistency of values”.

The only thing I find “hilarious” is the way these people who have such a big problem going back and forth a f~~~-hundred times about how you can’t say “ALL” when making a generalization…. is that they will never be so emphatic about correcting you if you said: “ALL Muslims are angels”.

• “ALL Muslims are peaceful.”
• “ALL men are amazing.”
• “ALL women are perfect, etherial, and they can do no wrong.”

All these people argue is that you can’t say that – because it lumps them all together. But there isn’t a single woman who will stand up and correct you when you say “ALL women are beautiful” – even though they know it couldn’t POSSIBLY be true.

96% of women don’t even believe it themselves.

It’s all a bunch of bollucks.

…. and its used as a deliberate deflection away from the point.

Anonymous wrote:

And now Keymaster is up my ass with all 4 of his inches?

I didn’t go up your ass at all – none of my posts were intended for you – and I only need 1 inch of integrity to f~~~ that poster.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Anonymous 24]

Spacemonkey wrote:

JoeBauers wrote:

And, if anyone were to ever address any of my f~~~ing points about body counts and invasions and destructions of countries based on lies we would actually be having a debate,

You are correct, western powers, chiefly the USA but assisted by UK, have killed at least a million in Iraq. In fact so little did the lives of muslims mean to them that they didn’t even bother to keep count of the deaths.

But you are wrong to conflate the illegal invasion of Iraq with christianity. It had f~~~ all to do with religion and all to do with greed.

Does christianity have the concept of jihad? No it does not but islam does. Holy war is one of the cournerstones of islam and that is why islam is intrinsicly violent while chritianity is not.

Your point holds true if you lump ALL Muslims in with fundamentalist terrorist types. Otherwise it is not different than any other religion. Do you think all Jews today believe all non Jews are equal to animals? I don’t. And I don’t think Islam/Muslims are barbaric, not all, you see… And if we are talking who is killing who, and who is more barbaric… It is f~~~ing clearly Israel/U.S.A. The invasions and body counts do not lie. When was the last time a Muslim country invaded someone? I don’t even know, I would have to go look it up… I do know Jewish Israel, and “Christian” U.S. has been f~~~ing people up for quite some time now. And these are countries who attacked NOBODY!

[RockmaninoffParticipant 1641]

Keymaster wrote:

This is why it is f~~~ing clearly stipulated in the forums guidelines not to overly criticize any race or religion.

I don’t know if you know this, but one of the pictures that show up on the right is a woman holding a gun to her head. Her forehead is labeled “Western Civilization” and the gun is labeled “Islam.”

". . . elle, suivant l’usage des femmes et des chats qui ne viennent pas quand on les appelle et qui viennent quand on ne les appelle pas, s’arrêta devant moi et m’adressa la parole"—Prosper Mérimée

[Big BossParticipant 4496]

Anonymous wrote:

Your point holds true if you lump ALL Muslims in with fundamentalist terrorist types. Otherwise it is not different than any other religion. Do you think all Jews today believe all non Jews are equal to animals? I don’t. And I don’t think Islam/Muslims are barbaric, not all, you see… And if we are talking who is killing who, and who is more barbaric… It is f~~~ing clearly Israel/U.S.A. The invasions and body counts do not lie. When was the last time a Muslim country invaded someone? I don’t even know, I would have to go look it up… I do know Jewish Israel, and “Christian” U.S. has been f~~~ing people up for quite some time now. And these are countries who attacked NOBODY!

1. The second Iraq had to do with the World Reserve Currency status and oil trade by Saddam. It was a secularist country ruled by a Sunni government. The first was obviously about oil as well.

2. Of course not all Jews, but there are fundamentalist sects that do. Thus there will be individuals coerced by a culture of anti-gentile behavior and use their text as justification.

3. The “Shadow government” of the US entities such as the CIA, Fed, Military industrial complex along with Mossad and other Zionist in Israel are the primary culprits of US involvement and death in the middle east. They use the culture belief of interventionism to coerce the populace into it, and at times the culture of evangelical Christians for those specific sects of followers.

4. Invasions have to deal with logistical prowess. The US has the logistical ability and military prowess to invade, along with political power to do so. In order for Muslim countries to go off the reservation and act as an invade another country, they have to have the military ability to do so. Otherwise, look at Saddam in the first Gulf War. Nukes have also created a dynamic that is unfavorable for larger powers to do so. Further, many countries and their political oligarchs have been lazy have relied and promoted the US to be the idiot charging in.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Rockmaninoff wrote:

I don’t know if you know this, but one of the pictures that show up on the right is a woman holding a gun to her head. Her forehead is labeled “Western Civilization” and the gun is labeled “Islam.”

That’s right… and the finger pulling the trigger is labelled “Liberal ideology”.

NOT >>>>> “Islam”.

That comes in reference to a German female politician who endorses the idea of no German ethnic majorities in Germany anymore. She is pulling the trigger herself.

You can see her saying it in the house of German Parliament yourself in this video.

Incidentally, that video actually opens and EXPLAINS to these intellectual retards that he KNOWS it doesn’t apply to “all women” and “all muslims”… but a step back to observe the big picture is required to learn something about the world.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Anonymous 24]

Grumpy wrote:

Islam has been at war with itself and everyone else around it since its inception and further interpretation by Mohammad.

I do not contest such statements. I just like to point out, that in recent history, their minor flames of conflicts have had gasoline poured on them by Israel/U.S. to the point where we now have towering infernos. And the reasons for doing so have been based on lies and what is sought to be gained is not of noble means. You can’t keep screaming “FIRE!” at the same time you are pouring gas on it and FANNING THE F~~~ING FLAMES!

That is all I am saying. And in every anti-Muslim thread, nobody ever addresses my points. It is the same old story every time.

I am out for the night. Really wondering what the f~~~ I am doing here at this point.

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