Understanding Islam from a Non Musslim point of view

[Big BossParticipant 4496]

Keymaster wrote:

And the bullet seems to be a .45 caliber. Please remember how important .45 calibers are for painting the walls with brains and do not forget to mention its full metal jacket. Such horrible trigger discipline from a girl. Goddamn women I swear.

[Anonymous 24]

Big Boss wrote:

JoeBauers wrote:

Your point holds true if you lump ALL Muslims in with fundamentalist terrorist types. Otherwise it is not different than any other religion. Do you think all Jews today believe all non Jews are equal to animals? I don’t. And I don’t think Islam/Muslims are barbaric, not all, you see… And if we are talking who is killing who, and who is more barbaric… It is f~~~ing clearly Israel/U.S.A. The invasions and body counts do not lie. When was the last time a Muslim country invaded someone? I don’t even know, I would have to go look it up… I do know Jewish Israel, and “Christian” U.S. has been f~~~ing people up for quite some time now. And these are countries who attacked NOBODY!

1. The second Iraq had to do with the World Reserve Currency status and oil trade by Saddam. It was a secularist country ruled by a Sunni government. The first was obviously about oil as well.

2. Of course not all Jews, but there are fundamentalist sects that do. Thus there will be individuals coerced by a culture of anti-gentile behavior and use their text as justification.

3. The “Shadow government” of the US entities such as the CIA, Fed, Military industrial complex along with Mossad and other Zionist in Israel are the primary culprits of US involvement and death in the middle east. They use the culture belief of interventionism to coerce the populace into it, and at times the culture of evangelical Christians for those specific sects of followers.

4. Invasions have to deal with logistical prowess. The US has the logistical ability and military prowess to invade, along with political power to do so. In order for Muslim countries to go off the reservation and act as an invade another country, they have to have the military ability to do so. Otherwise, look at Saddam in the first Gulf War. Nukes have also created a dynamic that is unfavorable for larger powers to do so. Further, many countries and their political oligarchs have been lazy have relied and promoted the US to be the idiot charging in.

Yes, I know all of this, hence “Based on lies”.

You forgot Ghadaffi, Same reasons as Saddam basically. He wanted gold for his oil and wanted to create a gold backed currency that would have undermined the Federal Reserve notes as petro dollar and world reserve currency.

Once again, the destruction of countries based on lies, who attacked nobody. The invaders/barbarians being Jewish/Zionist Israel, and “Christian” U.S.

I am out, cya guys-

[GrumpyParticipant]

Big Boss wrote:

Such horrible trigger discipline from a girl. Goddamn women I swear.

Hush Big Boss, ya don’t want to trigger her. She is free to splatter her cranial contents where she wishes.

you big bad bossy patriarch you…

There was a time in my life when I gave a fuck. Now you have to pay ME for it

[Big BossParticipant 4496]

Laters. And when you see this later, know that a LOT of us are on the same page. However the way we have been talking and dismissing certain cultural beliefs, norms, and behaviors of Islam previously need to be re-evaluated.

It is in fact, a religion with arguably the biggest set of problems mankind needs to look at when it comes to the major religions.

No one has a problem criticizing Christianity as it is mostly on the decline and a primary target of criticism in mainstream media.

Islam (and Judaism with it’s unfair nepotism problems in nations) however seem to be completely ignored and off limits for serious criticism. Only plebs like us talk about them with a critical eye.

[Big BossParticipant 4496]

Grumpy wrote:

Big Boss wrote:

Such horrible trigger discipline from a girl. Goddamn women I swear.

Hush Big Boss, ya don’t want to trigger her. She is free to splatter her cranial contents where she wishes.

you big bad bossy patriarch you…

Heh, someone’s f~~~ing tipsy. Goddamn it I need a beer myself. I’m f~~~ing out right now and am sitting here with just f~~~ing tea.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Anonymous wrote:

I am out, cya guys-

Well I think the least you could do is respond to my very fair reply intended for YOU this time – in spite of your f~~~ing unbelievable unearned attitude toward me. I’m not even expecting a withdrawal or apology, because those people never do.

But I’ll just not care and we can call it even.
Let me get the door for you. Cheers. Drive safely and all of that.

Don’t think and drive.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[goodkid43Spectator 550]

Space monkey says, “I think that is the worst straw man I have ever seen”, in response to my consequential logical, “Nothing is more barbaric than killing the most innocent in the womb….. The end result of Feminism…..”.

Please, Space Monkey, enlighten me on the informal fallacy which you see in my assertion which is the basis for the accusation of the proverbial straw man deception. Incidentally, I graduated cum laude from a prestigious university in philosophy. I welcome the correction…..

[Anonymous 24]

Keymaster wrote:

Rockmaninoff wrote:

I don’t know if you know this, but one of the pictures that show up on the right is a woman holding a gun to her head. Her forehead is labeled “Western Civilization” and the gun is labeled “Islam.”

That’s right… and the finger pulling the trigger is labelled “Liberal ideology”.

NOT >>>>> “Islam”.

That comes in reference to a German female politician who endorses the idea of no German ethnic majorities in Germany anymore. She is pulling the trigger herself.

You can see her saying it in the house of German Parliament yourself in this video.

Incidentally, that video actually opens and EXPLAINS to these intellectual retards that he KNOWS it doesn’t apply to “all women” and “all muslims”… but a step back to observe the big picture is required to learn something about the world.

Sorry, I lied, had one more insight as I was logging out. I get what you guys are saying. I am asking you to examine who loaded that gun… The exodus and resulting refugee crisis is because of invasions based on lies by Israel/U.S. I am just trying to get some of you to see the big picture, I can’t be the only one who able to see it, I am not that smart.

[SpacemonkeyParticipant 1481]

Anonymous wrote:

Your point holds true if you lump ALL Muslims in with fundamentalist terrorist types.

Yep, I do for the reasons I outlined in previous posts. There is no such thing as a moderate muslim.

Anonymous wrote:

Do you think all Jews today believe all non Jews are equal to animals?

Probably. But this isn’t about jews or christians or hindus or what have you. The Op was about Islam and whether it could be called a religion of peace. Bringing any other faith group into it is straw manning of the highest order.

Anonymous wrote:

if we are talking who is killing who, and who is more barbaric… It is f~~~ing clearly Israel/U.S.A.

I think we should also recognise the contribution of Saudi Arabia and Qatar. The truth is that muslims will gladly kill each other if they don’t have anyone else to fight.

“Long is the way and hard, that out of Hell leads up to light.”

[OhnoParticipant 668]

Anonymous wrote:

He can not prove Islam is a more violent religion than Christianity is nor Judaism for that matter.

There is this dilemma with the term christianity.

But whether the pope is christian or me. Cant be both at the same time.

Whether the Merkels Party the Christian-Democratic-Union (CDU) is christian or me. Cant be both at the same time.

Whether there are christian soldiers and Im not a christian or I am a christian but then there cant be something as a christian soldier. Cant be both at the same time.

But remember the word christ which translates as messiah is in the word…making it somewhat impossible to reject this term for believers even when we see that a big part of so called christianity doesnt follow christs teaching.

I would say that followers of christ dont have a religion, because his teachings are pretty much against everything religions are doing…

With jews its similar…

In the bible it says gods people are jews and what makes them jews ( and also that the messiah is their king )…after the bible then came the Talmud in 5th century which the Youtuber in the following video calls Babylonian trash that the israelites get taught now.

Really watch this video, because it is interesting and might lead you to more understanding of the bigger picture.

[SpacemonkeyParticipant 1481]

goodkid43 wrote:

Space monkey says, “I think that is the worst straw man I have ever seen”, in response to my consequential logical, “Nothing is more barbaric than killing the most innocent in the womb….. The end result of Feminism…..”.

Please, Space Monkey, enlighten me on the informal fallacy which you see in my assertion which is the basis for the accusation of the proverbial straw man deception. Incidentally, I graduated cum laude from a prestigious university in philosophy. I welcome the correction…..

I’ll bow to your expensive education..

Get much use out of it working at burger king?

“Long is the way and hard, that out of Hell leads up to light.”

[Anonymous 24]

Keymaster wrote:

JoeBauers wrote:

I am out, cya guys-

Well I think the least you could do is respond to my very fair reply intended for YOU this time – in spite of your f~~~ing unbelievable unearned attitude toward me. I’m not even expecting a withdrawal or apology, because those people never do.

But I’ll just not care and we can call it even.
Let me get the door for you. Cheers. Drive safely and all of that.

Don’t think and drive.

It was you who began digging into me in this thread. I only had beef with Lottery at the time. And now you want an apology from me? If you valued the integrity of this site you would have remained neutral on topics such as this. I have never seen you once address points I make as well in threads like this, and still haven’t in this thread… I have been bumping heads with anti-Muslim sentiment on this site ever since I got here. I do not have the time to go find examples, even the new guy Charles saw it for what it was and was disturbed by it. I point out that modern violence has been mostly perpetrated by U.S./Israel and still, nothing from you or Lottery. Your suicide meme is a joke, as I said, who loaded the gun? Are you not as smart I have given you credit for in the past???

Either
A) You are off your meds today and your true colors are finally showing.

B) You are drunk and your true colors are finally showing.

C) You not as bright as I thought you were.

D) You just made a deal with someone.

Or E) Any combination of A,B,C,D.

Either way, I have lost faith in the moderator of this site, I am gone, delete my account.

Good luck brothers-

[Anonymous 7]

That was the whole point of this post until you deluded it and tried to bully everyone.

Anonymous wrote:

I point out that modern violence has been mostly perpetrated by U.S./Israel and still, nothing from you or Lottery.

Read the Koran.
Ka r can be raped—
I759 On the occasion of Khaybar, Mohammed put forth new orders about forcing sex with captive women. If the woman was pregnant she was not to be used for sex until after the birth of the child. Nor were any women to be used for sex who were unclean with regard to Muslim laws about menstruation.
A Ka r can be beheaded—
47:4 When you encounter the Ka rs on the battle eld, cut off their heads until you have thoroughly defeated them and then take the prisoners and tie them up rmly.
A Ka r can be confused—
6:25 Some among them listen to you [Mohammed], but We have cast veils over their [Ka rs’] hearts and a heaviness to their ears so that they can- not understand our signs [the Koran].
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A Ka r can be plotted against—
86:15 They plot and scheme against you [Mohammed], and I plot and scheme against them. Therefore, deal calmly with the Ka rs and leave them alone for a while.
A Ka r can be terrorized—
8:12 Then your Lord spoke to His angels and said, “I will be with you. Give strength to the believers. I will send terror into the Ka rs’ hearts, cut off their heads and even the tips of their ngers!”
A Ka r can be made war on and humiliated—
9:29 Make war on those who have received the Scriptures [Jews and Chris- tians] but do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day. They do not forbid what Allah and His Messenger have forbidden. The Christians and Jews do not follow the religion of truth until they submit and pay the poll tax [jizya], and they are humiliated.
A Muslim is not the friend of a Ka r—
3:28 Believers should not take Ka rs as friends in preference to other be- lievers. Those who do this will have none of Allah’s protection and will only have themselves as guards. Allah warns you to fear Him for all will return to Him.

[goodkid43Spectator 550]

To Space Monkey,
Typical. You cannot address the argument of the messenger, so you do the feminist thing, you attack the messenger. By the way, I sold a delivery business in 1992 for mid six figures and retired for ten years.
I have met people like you. You assert certain philosophical phrases hoping that no one will challenge you on your superficial understanding of philosophy. However, since you are a member of this site, you will learn the error of your ways.
God bless, Michael

[The Moth Attracted to the FlameParticipant 2982]

Anonymous wrote:

That was the whole point of this post until you deluded it and tried to bully everyone.

JoeBauers wrote:

I point out that modern violence has been mostly perpetrated by U.S./Israel and still, nothing from you or Lottery.

Read the Koran.
Ka r can be raped—
I759 On the occasion of Khaybar, Mohammed put forth new orders about forcing sex with captive women. If the woman was pregnant she was not to be used for sex until after the birth of the child. Nor were any women to be used for sex who were unclean with regard to Muslim laws about menstruation.
A Ka r can be beheaded—
47:4 When you encounter the Ka rs on the battle eld, cut off their heads until you have thoroughly defeated them and then take the prisoners and tie them up rmly.
A Ka r can be confused—
6:25 Some among them listen to you [Mohammed], but We have cast veils over their [Ka rs’] hearts and a heaviness to their ears so that they can- not understand our signs [the Koran].
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introduction
A Ka r can be plotted against—
86:15 They plot and scheme against you [Mohammed], and I plot and scheme against them. Therefore, deal calmly with the Ka rs and leave them alone for a while.
A Ka r can be terrorized—
8:12 Then your Lord spoke to His angels and said, “I will be with you. Give strength to the believers. I will send terror into the Ka rs’ hearts, cut off their heads and even the tips of their ngers!”
A Ka r can be made war on and humiliated—
9:29 Make war on those who have received the Scriptures [Jews and Chris- tians] but do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day. They do not forbid what Allah and His Messenger have forbidden. The Christians and Jews do not follow the religion of truth until they submit and pay the poll tax [jizya], and they are humiliated.
A Muslim is not the friend of a Ka r—
3:28 Believers should not take Ka rs as friends in preference to other be- lievers. Those who do this will have none of Allah’s protection and will only have themselves as guards. Allah warns you to fear Him for all will return to Him.

This might help a little.

[OneforfreedomParticipant 930]

Biggvs_Dickvs wrote:

Show me a single incident where AN ENTIRE CROWD of christians (or any other religion for that matter), beat a women to death and mutilated and burned her body on the mere *accusation* of heresy(burning a koran)?

Go on, I DARE YOU. Show me anything compares even a little.

Look up “Sacking of Constantinople”

“The Crusaders looted, terrorized, and vandalized Constantinople for three days… Despite their oaths and the threat of excommunication, the Crusaders systematically violated the city’s holy sanctuaries, destroying or stealing all they could lay hands on; nothing was spared, not even the tombs of the emperors inside the St Apostles church. The civilian population of Constantinople were subject to the Crusaders’ ruthless lust for spoils and glory; thousands of them were killed in cold blood. Women, even nuns, were raped by the Crusader army, which also sacked churches, monasteries and convents.”

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Anonymous wrote:

It was you who began digging into me in this thread.

I did no such thing. I wasn’t digging into you. I only highlighted a sentence yours. If anyone is going to give me s~~~ I would expect it to be @lottery the way I asked “WTF are we talking about this for?”

You want to “Understanding Islam??? GO TO AN ISLAMIC FORUM!!!”
That would be completely reasonable.

I don’t attack the MEN. I attack the MESSAGE.

YOU attacked the man. And I was f~~~ing gracious in response to you anyway. I din’t even know where the f~~~ your “4 inch full of s~~~” comment came from. But wherever it came from, I got no beef with you. Never have. I read your comment and couldn’t believe my f~~~ing eyes.

Anonymous wrote:

And now you want an apology from me?

No I don’t want an apology. Apologies make my dick itch. I want you not to treat me like that again.

Anonymous wrote:

If you valued the integrity of this site you would have remained neutral on topics such as this.

“If you loved me you would ___________”

“If you were a real man, you would ___________”

Please.

It doesn’t work from them, and it won’t work from you.

Anonymous wrote:

I have been bumping heads with anti-Muslim sentiment on this site ever since I got here

Yes someone mentioned a youtube channel in our archives that had alot “muslim” topics recently. That’s driven by them on youtube, and not our site. And That’s to be expected with everything that’s been on the news lately.

But when Muslims are doing something real and it’s a negative…
Discussing it is not “anti-Muslim”.

When someone talks about the way hundreds/ thousands of Muslims are attaching themselves to the underside of trains to try and get into the UK (via the chunnel) and thousands of UK police are needed to stop them……. that’s not “anti-muslim”.

That’s what muslims actually DO.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Anonymous 7]

Oneforfreedom wrote:

Look up “Sacking of Constantinople”

Yes that was in 1204, not one month ago. Im not saying other religions have never been violent. This post was about religions currently affecting us.

[Anonymous 7]

I did notice that but it has truth to it. I shouldn’t have brought up religion and expected normal debate. Its the most sensitive topic on the god damn planet.

Keymaster wrote:

I did no such thing. I wasn’t digging into you. I only highlighted a sentence yours. If anyone is going to give me s~~~ I would expect it to be @lottery the way I asked “WTF are we talking about this for?”

You want to “Understanding Islam??? GO TO AN ISLAMIC FORUM!!!”

[OneforfreedomParticipant 930]

Anonymous wrote:

Yes that was in 1204, not one month ago. Im not saying other religions have never been violent. This post was about religions currently affecting us.

Fair enough. I personally am not a Muslim, but I know a few, and they are some of the kindest, most charitable and trustworthy people I’ve ever met. My only point is that it is wrong to generalize against an entire religion.

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