Understanding Islam from a Non Musslim point of view

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Big Boss wrote:

You need to attack Islamic CULTURE, not individuals. The culture of islam should not be beyond criticism.

Well meaning, and reasonable on the surface but I would push back on that enough to say:

• You don’t criticize “guns”… you criticize those who pull the trigger.
• You criticize “the unibomber”…. not white America.
• When a woman has 15 kids, is the catholic church responsible for her refusal to use rubbers?

Who really gives a s~~~ what books they read? I own, read and studied the bible (until I was 17), but it doesn’t make ANY of my decisions. Right and wrong is totally achievable without it. Even DOGS are born with it , and a dog knows when a child is being beaten and abused.

Leave the religion alone and point the finger at the person.

Am I wrong here?

Those people did this.
That person did that.
The book by their bed has nothing to do with it

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Charles BSpectator 251]

I’d say I’d avoid topics like these and I will. I just want to point out 1 thing.

I’m an atheist and I’m skeptical of all religions as it is. However, it boggles my mind even some MGTOWs in here believe that Muslim men are somewhat “less than human” and even believe the rape claims made by feminists and tradcons against Muslim men, but can see those same rape claims are false if tradcons and feminists accuse western men of doing the same thing.

By all means, criticize the religion. That, I have no objections to. I do have objections of even some MGTOW members in here claiming Muslim men are barbaric just on the basis of being Muslim alone.

I can show plenty of videos where every member of almost every religion doing some pretty stupid s~~~. Do I say all members of those religions are like that? No. But, that’s what I see coming from some MGTOW members on here which is why I threw such a bitch fit yesterday.

There’s some vile and sick s~~~ in the Christian world as well. I can point to things like Jesus Camp. Do I claim all Christians are like the ones in that documentary? F~~~ no.

All I’m saying is, criticize the religion if you must, but don’t paint all Muslim men to be barbaric. Because if you do, you’re no better than feminists claiming all men are rapists.

That’s the last I’m going to say on this matter. Peace out!

[Anonymous 24]

You anti-Muslim guys crack me up. “Christian” U.S. and Jewish Israel have killed FAR F~~~ING MORE MUSLIMS than vice versa. So do we need to go get into biblical s~~~? Talmudic s~~~? Torah s~~~? Jews, if they followed their scriptures would be literally considering all non Jews as ANIMALS. People care much less when they kill animals than other people usually. This can be evidenced in the body counts in recent invasions of countries that attacked NOBODY, and were invaded on the grounds of PROVEN LIES. In Iraq alone over 1 million were killed, a war proven to be based on lies. Modern day Israel exists from such an invasion/takeover. And after 49 years they STILL have not given the people who they invaded citizenship. They kill them at will with no repercussions. S~~~ in 2014 Israel killed 2k + MUSLIM Palestinians, and in the same year Palestinians killed 41 Israelis. All funded by “Christian” American money. Israel has been the #1 recipient of foreign aid since 76, and they are a small and already wealthy country. So, who are the barbaric terrorists? This has been going on year in, year out for 49 years, longer if you go back to before the 6 day war… You guys who keep pushing this angle are so far removed from reality it is comical.

[Anonymous 24]

For anyone who has the time to hear the other half of the story that never gets to be told in regards to Israel/Palestine, here you go- Call me crazy, but I feel it is wise to hear both sides before one judges anything.

[Anonymous 7]

Anonymous wrote:

You anti-Muslim guys crack me up. “Christian” U.S. and Jewish Israel have killed FAR F~~~ING MORE MUSLIMS than vice versa.

I am not defending any other religion. Syrian Refugees that commit violence and rape is the current issue and not the Christian crusades.

No other religion permits death of non believers and only one practices this currently. Theres a reason why orthodox members of other religious groups are not committing mass murder.

Sure other religions have wronged them, sure maybe other religions have committed murder on them. But back in the day Muslims would probably kill you on sight for not being Islamic. The war was unjust(my opinion) but they already wanted to kill America before that.

[Anonymous 24]

Anonymous wrote:

JoeBauers wrote:

You anti-Muslim guys crack me up. “Christian” U.S. and Jewish Israel have killed FAR F~~~ING MORE MUSLIMS than vice versa.

I am not defending any other religion. Syrian Refugees that commit violence and rape is the current issue and not the Christian crusades.

No other religion permits death of non believers and non do currently except for one. Theres a reason why orthodox members of other religious groups are not committing mass murder.

Holy crap, your mind is gone. At what point am I talking about the Christian crusades? I am talking about modern day s~~~, and per usual, guys like you choose to ignore facts and keep s~~~ting on Muslims…

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Charles B wrote:

members in here claiming Muslim men are barbaric just on the basis of being Muslim alone.

I just finished saying that directly above.

But please note, you must understand generalizations. Making generalizations is required to learn anything in the world – providing the generalization is TRUE. There are groups, and there are individuals within those groups.

“Birds Fly” is a true statement. You don’t tell people they can’t say that just because penguins and Ostriches don’t.

The point you’re making is NAMALT (“Not all Muslims are like that”).
Everyone KNOWS that already.

… just like “Not all women are like that” and “Not all birds fly”.

But even 99% is still “NOT ALL”. Right? So it’s intellectually dishonest to argue away 99% in favor of the 1% which is the lowest common denominator.

Conversely “Men are rapists” is an untrue generalization.

Damn near all men are NOT rapists. Not even 1% of criminals are in prison because of “rape”. You could throw a dart at 1000 men right now and not even hit a single “rapist”.

Intellectual honesty is the order of the day.

It’s intellectually dishonest to deny that severe cultural problems have arisen in the western world as a result of open borders to Muslims – in general. It is a perfectly fair statement, even though more muslims probably live peacefully in western nations already.

We acknowledge BOTH of those facts.

It is also a perfectly fair and reasonable statement that severe cultural problems have arisen as a result of feminism. Women will tell you this themselves. ON CNN.

“Men are rapists” not a fair a reasonable statement – or remotely accurate.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[OhnoParticipant 668]

Spacemonkey wrote:

The verse of the sword, chapter 9 verse 5, is very clear about this. When a new country is conqured by islam it’s people are given 3 “holy months” ( Most agree this actually equates to 1 year ) to convert to islam or lose there head. If the kafir is christian or jew they have the option to pay a tax or jizya. Non christians/jews have no such option, it is a choice of convert to islam or die. I guess athiests would be included in this group.

I dont believe that paying “a tax or jizya” is an option for a believer in christ, because that would also be submission to Islam.
Only paper-christians which are almost all atheists would have such an option.
I mean almost every german is christian on paper, but I really dont know anyone at all who believes that Jesus is coming back in a few years. I do.

Revelation 20:4

“And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.”

so how did John know that Christs church would be beheaded in the end times, when Islam wasnt even existent at this time?
Why do christians on the net all agree that were living in the end times now?
The tribulation has already started in the mideast for coptic christians, who chose to be beheaded rather than to join islam.
Why the islamic invasion of europe at this time?

https://shariaunveiled.wordpress.com/2013/06/19/why-did-the-u-s-government-recently-purchase-30000-guillotines/

why guillotines?…

[Charles BSpectator 251]

Keymaster wrote:

But please note, you must understand generalizations.

I understand that completely. But, some members are claiming all Muslim men are like that. They didn’t even say it was a f~~~ing generalization.

They also believe all the f~~~ing false rape accusations made about Muslim men, but they call out “BULLS~~~!” when those same accusations are made about western men.

That’s the kind of hypocrisy I was trying to point out yesterday.

[Anonymous 24]

Oh crap, please no biblical stuff.

Also, as U.S./Israel keeps doing the large scale terrorism of abusing/invading/destroying Muslim countries based on lies, there will be more and more small scale terrorism in retaliation. The people who chose, or by no choice of their own, go full retard, will keep pointing the finger at the small terrorists… And this is exactly what the Israel/U.S. wants, more reasons to dominate the region. They are more than happy to spend less money on complicated false flag events as well…

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Charles B wrote:

some members are claiming all Muslim men are like that.

Do you have a direct reference to that?

Use the contact form and send me a link!
I haven’t seen it so I don’t know what you’re talking about.

I personally corrected and threw a troll out of here for saying “women are lesser and evil sub-humans” and when I corrected that person , that person actually had a PROBLEM with it and said nobody would miss me if I died.

/forums/topic/would-you-ever-go-back/page/2/#post-210639

That poster is not permitted to post here anymore and was warned.
So we are not unfair here. Proven.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Anonymous 24]

Keymaster wrote:

Charles B wrote:

some members are claiming all Muslim men are like that.

Do you have a direct reference to that?

Send me a link! I haven’t seen it so I don’t know what you’re talking about.

I personally corrected and threw a troll out of here for saying “women are lesser and evil sub-humans” and when I corrected that person , that person actually had a PROBLEM with it and said nobody would miss me if I died.

That poster is not permitted to post here anymore and was warned.
So we are not unfair here. Proven.

I don’t know if I can find a link that would support that Keymaster, but I think Charles is saying that it is often strongly implied, and that for sure I can agree on. It is like a never ending smear campaign, that never even addresses logical points that are made in response to what seems to be an agenda spreading hate and propaganda.

[Charles BSpectator 251]

Keymaster wrote:

Do you have a direct reference to that?

Even if I could find a link to that now, which is what I’m trying to do, I don’t think I’d post it just because I don’t want to be seen like I’m trying to get those members banned/silenced/deleted/thrown in the litter box.

As @JoeBauers said, it’s always strongly implied and even directly stated “All Muslim men are terrorists, all Muslim men are rapists, all Muslim men are barbaric.”

I’m all for free speech, but I hate that on a website such as this, Muslim men are very commonly demonized.

I’ve seen quite a few threads even before I became a member doing exactly this.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Anonymous wrote:

I don’t know if I can find a link that would support that Keymaster, but I think Charles is saying that it is often strongly implied,

This is why it is f~~~ing clearly stipulated in the forums guidelines not to overly criticize any race or religion.

I hate these f~~~ing c~~~ing religion topics.
They accomplish NOTHING except bickering feuds and are hot blooded waste of time.

What do you suggest.
Banning all chatter about Muslims? I have no problem with that.

ZERO. And now flow the accusations of “censorship”…

Why is anyone discussing religion in the first place?
We don’t have a “religion” forum for a reason.
Religion is a belief system. MGTOW IS NOT.

My father told me at 19 NEVER to discuss politics or religion with anyone.
F~~~ing million dollar advice.

Thanks Dad. I miss you.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[NewgroundsParticipant 558]

I’m athiest so I don’t support any religion or faith science is all I’ll ever need or want and I’m not afraid of death and what happens after. Anyone who feels entitled to anything because of their religion are holding humanity back. Catholics backed facism,Jews felt entitled to land and got it by kicking people out, no religion is right but today I only see the threats of Islam and how bats~~~ crazy that religion is when 600 million plus muslims believe sharia law should be the only law in their government I am disgusted by that barbaric primitive nonsense. I don’t see any other big religion wanting such crazy things, they’re a threat and a problem and it’s showing, numbers don’t lie if muslims aren’t killing each other they’re after us. If anyone thinks that I say this because I believe another religion is better you’re mistaken I dislike all religion and I’ve broken them all down to their facts and evidence and there’s none it’s all faith the weakest of human sentiments. I’ll never again bow my head or clasp my hands to some man made imaginary entity and ask for guidacne,help, or refuge and that’s to my very core if I want something done I’m going to do it I’m not going to pray for it to be done. Conclusion being all religion is baseless and primitive, Islam is the only religion that’s a genuine threat in the modern world and it’s all in their “book” murder,rape,pedophilia, rules that brainwash,baseless claims, conquest. Anyone who dares say that other religions are just as bad do your research nothing comes close.

|Right Wing Death Squad| Swallowed both Red Pills /pol/MGTOW

[Charles BSpectator 251]

I also find it hilarious that a s~~~ storm about this is only caused on this website when a person like me speaks out about the false claims of all Muslim men. You never hear s~~~ storms like this starting when members are making false claims about Muslim men such as “all” Muslim men are barbaric.

[NewgroundsParticipant 558]

This is just going to go on and on though, agree to disagree and let’s just keep going our own ways. It’s a hot topic and I’ll be the first to admit that it means a lot to me since I’m personally affected by religion so I’m obviously going to feel very strongly. Sorry if anyone is offended by my statements in this thread

|Right Wing Death Squad| Swallowed both Red Pills /pol/MGTOW

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Charles B wrote:

I also find it hilarious that a s~~~ storm about this is only caused on this website when a person like me speaks out about the false claims of all Muslim men.

That’s blatantly false as I already pointed out – with links directly above.
A “s~~~storm” was created yesterday when someone unreasonably generalized WOMEN.

I spoke out against that personally myself.
So you don’t get to pretend that.

And now you say you find it HILARIOUS??????

Make up your mind. Either it’s “hilarious”….. or it’s NOT.
Because I don’t think ANY of it is “hilarious”.

I’m glad you’re entertained though. Happy now?

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Anonymous 24]

Charles B wrote:

I also find it hilarious that a s~~~ storm about this is only caused on this website when a person like me speaks out about the false claims of all Muslim men. You never hear s~~~ storms like this starting when members are making false claims about Muslim men such as “all” Muslim men are barbaric.

Exactly. And as for what Newgrounds said… Once again, the numbers do not lie. Christian and Jewish countries are the ones pillaging and destroying Muslims ones. All you anti-Muslim guys have gone full retard. Never f~~~ing ever address facts. Just go silent like Lottery over and over and over and… Sigh, I am going to go ride my bicycle…

[Anonymous 7]

Anonymous wrote:

Holy crap, your mind is gone. At what point am I talking about the Christian crusades? I am talking about modern day s~~~, and per usual, guys like you choose to ignore facts and keep s~~~ting on Muslims…

Anonymous wrote:

You anti-Muslim guys crack me up. “Christian” U.S. and Jewish Israel have killed FAR F~~~ING MORE MUSLIMS than vice versa.

My mind is apparently gone yet you cant remember the paragraph you just wrote.

I was adding to your point of other religions killing.

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