Stop MGTOW becoming a cult

[MACHOParticipant]

This thread might get much more complicated as it goes.. refreshing from the routine.. indeed Blade 😜

You must own a better Crystal ball than I

[Anonymous 12]

Autolite wrote:

I see spreading the MGTOW cry of “AWALT” as a ‘due diligence’ kinda thing. We spew what needs to be spewed hoping to save some guys from f~~~ing up their lives. Let them then heed or ignore (at their own peril) what we are telling them…

Yup.
Away from the Classic provider and protector role,
– because equality says she does neither need nor deserve it (are you saying i am weak? i demand respect!)
– because I deserve the ability to go about my day as I see fit. Granted i might include her in my schedule, if i so desire.

MGTOW says the choice regarding how i spend my time and other resources… is mine.
and i best make sure it STAYS mine.

None of that
oops, you are a dad,
oops you go to jail,
oops, can you pay for my meal
oops, you need to defend me

crap.
All power to the individual man.

simple

[Manspread MansplainerParticipant 4222]

This place is for men only. The only place not ruined with opinions from c~~~s because women make it all about themselves.

Bragging rights in who’s the most red pill, or who gives the least amount of f~~~s should be secondary at least.

If women ran the world = It would become the shithole you are seeing.

[NoMoreParticipant 1233]

Cult is the wrong word. Clique is what you are referring to. These cannot be avoided in large groups of people. MGTOW can be considered a clique and within it are others; monks, married, dating, one night stands, etc.

Everyone is going to congratulate and commiserate with those who share their experiences, views, and outlooks. The monks will bond with other monks, give advice to those who are married, chastise those who date, etc. Realize there is no cognitive dissonance in being a MGTOW while some members disagree with your choices. They are YOUR choices and that IS going your own way.

A co-worker recently told me, "If you want to see who someone really is, divorce them." I have found out how true this is. When your wife drops the façade of being the caring partner, you will witness all of the greed, hate, and spite that she has masked. It is truly breathtaking!

[MoreSkyParticipant 4865]

Any rules that exist here are related to the operation of a forum not dictating what a MGTOW should or shouldn’t be.

The recent p~~~ing contests have not been on MGTOW philosophy or who is the better MGTOW but on diverse opinions on how to deal with disruptive elements.

Cults have a unified doctrine and demand consensus thinking on all things.

There is a huge diversity in opinion on pretty much everything here including on interactions with women, and this is a very good thing.
I’m monk but I can understand why some need to get their willy wet, it’s just not for me.
I disagree with a lot of posts on here but I don’t begrudge the authors their opinions, it is interesting to see different viewpoints.

The only common thing we share is the recognition of the potential of all women to utterly destroy a man’s life.

What is done with that information is entirely up to the individual bloke.

There are no rules, dogma, doctrine or demands for being MGTOW.
Gents here post their own experiences and that may guide an individual bloke’s thinking but nothing is mandatory, nor should it be taken as such.

It is your choice what you do with your life.
MGTOW is about as far from a cult as you can get.

"...reinvent your life because you must; it is your life and its history and the present belong only to you.” It is Your Life, Charles Bukowski.

[bladeParticipant]

blade wrote:

LURK BEFORE JOINING THEN THERE IS NOTHING TO P~~~ AND MOAN ABOUT DOWN THE TRACK .

These f~~~heads wanting rules will kill this place . One rule then another for that rule . Then those rules get used and abused because someone might not like someone else .

NOTHING NEEDS TO BE CHANGED

blade wrote:

Tuna thread . I see alot of bros interacting having fun . Maybe a distraction from there bulls~~~ they have going on .

THE PLANTATION HAS NOW TURNED INTO THE KILLING FIELDS . WOMAN ARE NOW ROLLING CAMBODIAN STYLE .

[ChristopherParticipant 2478]

Anonymous wrote:

It isn’t wise for every MGTOW to swear off women. So those that don’t should not be shamed. And those that do should not be smug.

Anonymous wrote:

Don’t live your life according to the subtle monk doctrine of MGTOW.com if that makes you miserable for years and years.

By saying it is not wise to be monk again you continue to attack the valid choice/wisdom/experience of those men for whatever reason choose to be celibate or be monk. Perhaps you are genuinely seeking answers but your posts are now starting to sound a bit like those of a troll or of an attention seeker or tuna that is unhappy that everyone on this website does not fit into your ‘personal philosophy’ that you think its okay to roll the dice and be in a relationship with a woman/GF.

sidecar wrote:

Free from desire you see the mystery.

Sidecar gave a drive by shooting that transcended your interpretation. We are all on own unique valid path. Perhaps you are finding it difficult to reconcile your ‘interpretation’ of MGTOW and your ‘interpretation’ of TAOISM in your life. Cast off your labels (or not) and do whatever the f~~~ you want. If you want to be with a woman/GF despite all the MGTOW lessons here go ahead knock yourself out its your life man.

Feminism was funded by bankers/politicians to create more taxpayers. MGTOW IS FREEDOM https://archive.org/details/mgtowisfreedomblurayready

[guiParticipant 825]

If it’s a cult I really want my badass monk robes ok?

Now seriously, I don’t see how a site were men come to chat about misandry, how many men now act subservient to women and the s~~~ state of the world in general, and is just a forum to men who have some ideals and ideas in common could become a cult.

Cults force people to do stuff to prove their loyalty, force them to sever ties with their family and friends, force them to spend all their money for the spreading of the cult. This site is ultimate opposite to everything that makes a cult.

About the monk thing, I am monk right now because I have to focus on carrer building so I can afford the financial freedom I want. Once I get that done, I plan to empty my b~~~~ with hookers whenever I feel like. Or maybe even do some pump and dumps with regular women if I get opportunities to do this without going out of my way (I.E. having to give more effort than the limits I stipulated to myself).

So I understand the annoyance MGTaoist get at those members that act like you are a poser if you don’t want to go monk and keep trying to convince you of it. But well, you should be able to ignore them after all. Why would care anyway?

About the AWALT thing I respect that many members think women all women are the same.
After all, I think the same, the only difference is that I believe romantic love is either a fraud (i.e. desire getting mistaken as being love) or it can’t last forever and I think that it’s the same with all humans and isn’t just a female thing.

I think romantic relationships are inherentely flawed and not a single one can last too long without the couple growing grudges or getting bored of eachother. I have seen some couples stick together but what held them together was some sort of brotherly love and in other cases it was only due to love for their kids so it doesn’t count in my book as the mythological feeling I searched so much for and that now I am sure doesn’t exist.

So I don’t really see the point in losing my freedom in exchange for the brotherly love that would be all a wife would be still giving me in the long run and that’s in the best of the cases. Not really worth it.

I believe the only true love is what people hold for their parents, their biological relatives and for a few selected friends.

So all that sums, up why I would never marry or cohabitate.

Even back when I was a bluepill I would only marry because I would like to be a father but in nowadays society I am not even guaranteed to have a say in their creation.

Even I if someday I do change mind about parenting I still wouldn’t marry, I’d just get a woman pregnant and gamble it just once to see how it’s like to be a parent or even better I’d get myself a belly for rent. Even then I would only do it if I tought I could give decent conditions to my child and that’s what remains to be seen with the world like this.

Well MGTaoist, after all that rant I want to give you an advice. You should learn to not care when people think you are living your life wrong even if they are acting obnoxiously about it. That way every place will get more enjoyable for you and everyone else.

Pity and contempt are siblings. You only feel pity for those you consider weak.

[Anonymous 38]

Christopher wrote:

By saying it is not wise to be monk again you continue to attack the valid choice/wisdom/experience of those men for whatever reason choose to be celibate or be monk.

Was missing the word every intentional or negligent?

Christopher wrote:

MGTaoist wrote:
It isn’t wise for every MGTOW to swear off women. So those that don’t should not be shamed. And those that do should not be smug.

My way isn’t everybody’s way, that much is quite clear. Therefore I would not admonish a man for going his own way. I am only going to attack a person if they attack me, or others, for doing what I/they want, or claim I am inferior because I’ve chosen a differing path. I am trying to prevent MGTOW from becoming a monk clique where men who aren’t monks are considered as having less authority on all things MGTOW, or even merely discussing women.

Clique is a more accurate word than cult, as NoMore pointed out.

[Anonymous 12]

as having less authority on all things MGTOW, or even merely discussing women.

I see your point, but MGTOW, as long as (by your own words) the Man is in the drivers’ seat, has no other rules.
Therefor nobody has authority.
And where nobody has authority, EVERYONE has authority.

Some will always bitch at you and call you tuna for talking about your life.
Do not confuse that with these strangers having authority.
Pressure? Possibly.
Shaming? yea, a bit of that as well.

but as you say… YOU are in the drivers Seat.

and as long as you do not give up the drivers Seat, even to other Mgtow men… all is fine.

It has a few elements of anarchy to it. Chaos. Unpredictability.

[It’sallbsParticipant]

Christopher wrote:

your posts are now starting to sound a bit like those of a troll

Because he is a troll always has been.

http://www.leavemeansleave.eu

[Anonymous 12]

aww, come on, easy now.

call him mgtow_lite or something but not Troll.
Trolls are different, they just kinda waste your time.
This one is actually useful to the uninitiated.

[Will RobinsonParticipant 3479]

The point is the system is completely corrupt.

Saying mgtow is like a cult is like saying those who called bulls~~~ on the Salem Witch Trials were a cult.

What would the safe thing have been to have done during the Salem Witch Trials? Avoid those people as much as possible.

If people want to play Russian Roulette and pump a pumpkin, that’s their choice. They also deserve to know the information to allow them to make an informed decision. To know the information to mitigate the risks.

There are no nawalts, but some women are more dangerous than others. Knowing how to spot them is useful.

The corrupt fake news and gynocentric system hides the truth from men.

Personally, I’m not monk. I just don’t bother with women because I know from experience that none of them will be up to my high standards. And that’s not going to change any time soon.

May you walk in peace and happiness, May you and all mgtow, near and far walk in peace and happiness.

[G.O.A.TParticipant 1459]

It’sallbs wrote:

Christopher wrote:

your posts are now starting to sound a bit like those of a troll

Because he is a troll always has been.

This is exactly what OP was talking about.

Different ideology=troll or tuna.

His ideologies are different from yours, does that make him a troll, huh?

Money is God.

[GargamelSpectator 29101]

MGTOW can’t be a new cult since I was MGTOW at age 9, 33 years before the word MGTOW even appeared for the first time in 2009.

I am just the product of growing up with 95 per cent reckless, ignorant and selfish c~~~s around me.

Telling the world about it is a big relief and some kind of getting back at them.

Well that is what yesterday’s mothers have created by pumping their boys full of mind-f~~~ing drugs and putting their cats over anybody else around them.

My mother still prioritizes her stinky cats above her son, even though I am the last person who cares for her. And saved her ass more times than I can count. She is 93 now…
And I still have to clean up after her when things go over the edge. And it was always like that.
I was the 11 year-old always responsible to keep the household from collapsing and becoming a hygiene hazard…
In the end, I never got myself another useless c~~~ to clean up after while she watches TV…

Nothing good comes from women. None has ever proven me the opposite.

I despise everything that is inside of them.

And I don’t need a cult to openly state that.

In July of 2018, this honey pot forum was sold out to an unidentified NPC sock puppet and troll organization. Most independent thinkers and writers migrated to other MGTOW forums as a result of the never-ending infighting and deliberate trouble starting caused by members who were given "carte blanche" by the admin to do whatever they want. Before my departure, I only left a few thousand cat pics here to comfort and ridicule the feminist owners who now run this place. Their background agenda is to make MGTOW look like a club of losers the public eye. And during the course of 2019, they actually managed to destroy almost all other MGTOW venues as well. Here is the truth about "theindependentman.org" aka "TIM" which was created as an extended workbench to further divide the community. When you register, they install a spyware Zombie cookie on your browser that does all kinds of things the user does not know of: http://www.filedropper.com/essay-on-the-removal-of-malware-cookies-used-by-tim

[ChristopherParticipant 2478]

Anonymous wrote:

or claim I am inferior

Who said you are inferior ? NO-one. More drama.

Anonymous wrote:

I am trying to prevent MGTOW from becoming a monk clique where men who aren’t monks are considered as having less authority on all things MGTOW, or even merely discussing women.

You seem to have agenda against the concept of being a monk/or celibate/ or nofap. Yet there are only a few dedicated monk threads on this site – plus there is not a monk sub-forum – yet there is subforums for relationships, dating etc – yet you come up with this nonsense that the whole site is turning into some monk cult.

Who said men who arent monk have less authority ? no-one. More drama from you. Perhaps you are the one who wants more authority? From my understanding so far this site is not a place of authority over each other.

Anonymous wrote:

Clique is a more accurate word than cult, as NoMore pointed out.

Okay so now you agree its not a cult – That is a big backtrack from the title of your thread. It is fine and only natural for there to be cliques on a site – though if there is a monk clique I am unaware of it – please tell me where it is? so I can join it.

Anonymous wrote:

Was missing the word every intentional or negligent?

You are grasping at straws and trying to imply something that is not the case – that is dishonest of you. I also quoted your exact words (including the word every) in my post above so its clear there was no intention to mislead. Neither was I negligent as I also provided your exact quote including the word ‘every’ for all to see. You certainly do not have to be a monk you can do whatever the f~~~ you want – i or none here to my knowledge has said otherwise. I also said if you want to be with a woman/GF despite the MGTOW lessons here go knock yourself out. Every MGTOW rightfully makes his own choices.

However, your posts seem to show you have some sort of agenda against the men/concept who choose take the valid choices of celibacy/or monk/or noFAP temporarily or permanently.

Yet NOONE has attacked your right to make your own choices and here you are making a nonsense drama thread that the whole site is turning into a monk cult – you appear to be unhappy that some of the men here dont fit into your ‘personal philosophy’ that you think its okay to roll the dice and have a relationship with a woman/GF.

Feminism was funded by bankers/politicians to create more taxpayers. MGTOW IS FREEDOM https://archive.org/details/mgtowisfreedomblurayready

[iMickey503Participant 12465]

What People think we are:

What we really are:

We are men that do not have a voice. And our voice can only be heard when a woman speaks for us:

When we speak for ourselves this is the result:

Kill ALL MEN and MALE BABIES?

In what world would you be able to do this to a woman? But okay for men?

And if WOMEN speak up for men, THIS IS WHAT THEY GET.

So do MEN hate women? Women think so. And agree.

Even MEN try to spread this s~~~

And when is the last time ANY OF YOU have EVER felt like this:

But here is the truth, and we all know it:

And everytime a man is down, a WOMAN feels EMPOWERED! Not sad. Not guilty. Not even any remorse. THEY CLAP at stuff like this. FACEBOOK LIKES on this image alone is almost over 10 million!

Think hard about this:

Women know whats going on. And they don’t care:

MOST men on first glance see women on first glance as this:

Women see men as this:

And women only care about men when its about THEM.

WOMEN today by our very Western society and Freedom, can NEVER LOVE YOU. All they can do is seek CONTROL and that’s ALL THEY WANT. CONTROL.

The real truth is women are more the like the fire that burns down your house.

And women go out of their way to destroy what other women have:

Women have been known to be evil, selfish, and for centuries:

And deep down, this is what women think:

This has more truth than one can see as women have little to no empathy for anyone but themselves.

This is the majority of womens thought process. BLAME MEN.

And this is how women did it.

I mean this is now LAW. OUR LAW TODAY:

Think about it:

Everything that man are facing today, WOMEN BLAME US, and OTHER MEN BLAME US and tag team with women:

FEMINISM IS A CULT:

And we have been seeing this for a LONG TIME:

And WOMEN WANT US TO WANT THIS?:

And are SHOVING THIS DOWN EVERYONE’S THROATS SINCE BIRTH!

Now NAME just ONE TIME a GROUP OF WOMEN Anywhere SAVED the MEN that they Loved and cared about? NAME THEM?

MEN by MAJORITY will sacrifice themselves for others. Even when others don’t deserve it.
You want to hear about CULTS? How about the CULT of BRAVERY!

Yet this is how we are looked at:

And yet, we are told to forgive, and give it to god?

MGTOW.com is MEN sharing their knowledge:

While everyone else SHAMES US for TELLING OUR STORIES AND TRUTH

WE speak the TRUTH. And call it out when its BULLS~~~.

WOMEN LOVE watching OTHER WOMEN SUFFER!. And yet, they said NOTHING!

And unlike women, men makes jokes when things go bad to cope:

Women JUST BLAME MEN. And MEAN EVERY WORD OF IT.

And to show you just how Horrible they are, WOMEN could SOLVE EVERY PROBLEM WE HAVE TODAY in 24 hours. YET THEY WOULD NOT.

And it would cost them nothing.

So WHO IS THE CULT?

You are all alone. If you have been falsely accused of RAPE, DV, PLEASE let all men know about the people who did this. http://register-her.net/web/guest/home

[Anonymous 42]

Will Robinson wrote:

Saying mgtow is like a cult is like saying those who called bulls~~~ on the Salem Witch Trials were a cult.

That’s my neck of the woods! Still going on to this day! We have all the really cool psychopaths! Lizzy Bordon, Boston Strangler, and others that struck just down the street recently, mutilating a Mother and torturing the kids by cutting their weenies off! Home sweet home of the worlds most infamous murderers!

Will Robinson wrote:

What would the safe thing have been to have done during the Salem Witch Trials? Avoid those people as much as possible.

You asking me? There would be allot of sneaking around in the dark until all the false-witnesses were gone and the instigators too! I guess a church or two would burn with all the zealots inside! Survival of the fittest! God’ll understand!

[UntamedParticipant]

Go Your Own Way in whatever manner YOU deem appropriate.

Ignore those who shake their finger at you for not being Monk.

I don’t chase pussy but I pay for it.
Ladies whose job it is to please the f~~~ out of me.
Nice, young fresh pussy right out the fridge.

So what?
Anyone has a problem with that they can cross their legs, pinch their nose and blow it out their ass.
F~~~’EM!

Don't let them Blame, Shame or Tame you!
Give 'em NOTHING, not even an answer!
#GenderSegragationNow!

[GargamelSpectator 29101]

iMickey503 wrote:

And to show you just how Horrible they are, WOMEN could SOLVE EVERY PROBLEM WE HAVE TODAY in 24 hours. YET THEY WOULD NOT.

iMickey, perfect collection.

You say it all in a nutshell.

MGTOW explained in one post.

These posters and memes are a great part of what brought me here.

In July of 2018, this honey pot forum was sold out to an unidentified NPC sock puppet and troll organization. Most independent thinkers and writers migrated to other MGTOW forums as a result of the never-ending infighting and deliberate trouble starting caused by members who were given "carte blanche" by the admin to do whatever they want. Before my departure, I only left a few thousand cat pics here to comfort and ridicule the feminist owners who now run this place. Their background agenda is to make MGTOW look like a club of losers the public eye. And during the course of 2019, they actually managed to destroy almost all other MGTOW venues as well. Here is the truth about "theindependentman.org" aka "TIM" which was created as an extended workbench to further divide the community. When you register, they install a spyware Zombie cookie on your browser that does all kinds of things the user does not know of: http://www.filedropper.com/essay-on-the-removal-of-malware-cookies-used-by-tim

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