Oddly, I'm gay and MGTOW. What?!

[LunaticReasonParticipant 78]

Jamibu229 welcome to the movement. I read your first post and I can’t agree more with what you had to say. As a straight male I’m a little jealous because as gay male you’re not so easily driven by the same urges that women are so adept at manipulating. I have a question for you or any other gay mgtow, have you guys experienced Blue pill behavior or are you immune to it?

[DakotaParticipant 341]

Jamibu229 and MGTOWhomo…If I didn’t kiss your asses when you walked in the door, maybe I should apologize. HOLY S~~~!  Batman, bring out the champange and the red carpet!  THEIR HERE! THEIR HERE!…the first openly gay men on a MGTOW forum! Gee-ZUS. Allow this rant…

When I hear of gays and MGTOW the first thing that comes to mind is the word co-opt; as in to take over, appropriate. Sounds crazy, I know. Crazy like the churches that wouldn’t hire gay pastors and marry gay couples based on their judeo/christian belief that dates back over 4,000 years!…that is until the gay movement forced them to their knees and co-opted their ancient religion and traditions, all in the span of just 10 years. Now, evidently, it’s a badge of honor to have a large homosexual church membership.  Think Boston’s St. Patrick’s Day Parade, Boy Scouts of America, etc.

Please, help me to understand how you guys aren’t bats~~~ crazy.  Hasn’t the gay community been fighting FOR gay marriage for over 30 years and now that you have it…you want to join a group that’s AGAINST marriage?  You do realize that the basic premise of MGTOW is the uneven playing field in marriage between a man and a woman.  Is there an uneven playing field between a guy and a guy that would make you want to join an anti-marriage movement that the gay community fought against?  You mean to tell me the gay community has whined, bitched, complained, and annoyed every f~~~ing man, woman and child in this country to allow gay marriage…and now you’re against marriage?

MGTOW is for single men only. I imagine that if either one of you were married that many MGTOWs would justify your inclusion here by being more “open to ideas” and “sensitive to the individual experiences of others.” The word is co-opted. As in, a grand piano hangs by a thread over the head of every man, business, or club waiting for them to deny a gay inclusion. You seem genuinely surprised that you were welcomed with such enthusiastic open arms. Really?

Why did you identify yourselves as gay?  Big whoopidy-f~~~in-do!  Out of over 5,000 men, 4,998 DIDN’T feel the need to reveal their sexual preference or the need to co-opt a forum to garner attention for themselves with a topic proclaiming boldly in the title what kind of sex their into. Talk about narcissistic attention whores!  Do you feel completely validated yet?  Are you at the exact center of attention?  Have enough men voiced their approval and made you feel special and welcome?  I have read of no other men getting their egos stroked so gently and wonderfully in the MGTOW forum.  Just read the feminizing influence that two gay men have in the tone of this very forum.

Your claims to be “not like the other gays” falls a little flat.  A gay man just falls at a different place on the gay spectrum.  This would, in theory, allow a gay man to gently and slowly co-opt the place where a drag queen would just kick down the door.  What’s the difference?  Yes, yes…another institution is NOW open to gays. What do you want to discuss?…Your wife not giving up enough pussy after you got married?  Besides yourselves being gay, what OTHER topic would you like to discuss?

What shall we say then? That MGTOW should ban gays? I’d rather see MGTOW ban femininity. I’m pretty sure we have enough of that bulls~~~ seeping into every ass crack of daily life as it is. You guys sound alright but the group you represent, or represents you, wreaks havoc everywhere they go if they don’t get their own way.  When the gay marriage referendum came up for a vote here, gay rights groups got the voter lists from the state and posted the names, addresses, and phone numbers on the internet of everyone who voted against gay marriage to shame and harass them. Real classy.

MTGOW is or seems to be one of the last protected, safe-spaces left for men, on the web or in real life, to share their struggles and their ideas openly and honestly without the corrosive effects of femininity in any form. How many forums are dedicated to gay empowerment, rights and lifestyle?  How many forums are for OTHER men that haven’t been invaded by feminists, trolls, and blue-pillers?  Are gay men welcome in MGTOW? The jury has spoken.

In closing, have you ever noticed how wonderful it is to go to your favorite fishing hole (or anywhere else) with another man and drink beer and talk s~~~ about women? But one day, the other man’s wife wants to come along. The fishing hole ain’t the same anymore. It just ain’t.

[Lazarus LongParticipant 365]

Keymaster wrote:

It’s like getting a job into todays HR-infested labor market. Not only are you representing yourself to the company, but you have to deal with the totally uninvolved “represantative” who is not qualified, has nothing to do with it, has totally ridiculous criteria, and actually stands in the way of the company finding the right person. HR virtually guarantees a company end up with a substandard person who’s only skill is telling them what they want to hear.

Damn if I did not know better I would swear you work at the same job I do. I have been using the recruiters against themselves, I had a long conversation via chat with one of our recruiters where she told several blatant lies and then went up the chain to one of the senior VP’s and the s~~~ rolled down hill on them.

Willfully turning aside from the truth is treason to one's self. -Terry Goodkind

[GoodWomenAreUnicornsParticipant 9]

Dakota wrote:

Hasn’t the gay community been fighting FOR gay marriage for over 30 years and now that you have it…you want to join a group that’s AGAINST marriage? You do realize that the basic premise of MGTOW is the uneven playing field in marriage between a man and a woman. Is there an uneven playing field between a guy and a guy that would make you want to join an anti-marriage movement that the gay community fought against?

Hello paradox!!!

Thanks for bringing up this question of which I could not adequately state as you did, or just hadn’t had the time. If this site were to put it’s stamp of approval onto male gay members, it would necessitate that said male gay members are against marriage. However, their form of marriage is not “to the finest detail” the type that this site is against (e.g. there is no woman involved). There won’t be any simple inclusion or exclusion here until this new dynamic finds itself defined as pro or against based on some yet unreferenced constant (maybe that any form of marriage is a device of feminism?)

[John DoeParticipant 743]

Dakota wrote:

I have read of no other men getting their egos stroked so gently and wonderfully in the MGTOW forum. Just read the feminizing influence that two gay men have in the tone of this very forum.

This is true.  +1.  I have observed this also.

Dakota wrote:

You guys sound alright but the group you represent, or represents you, wreaks havoc everywhere they go if they don’t get their own way.

Also true.

Dakota wrote:

MTGOW is or seems to be one of the last protected, safe-spaces left for men, on the web or in real life, to share their struggles and their ideas openly and honestly without the corrosive effects of femininity in any form. How many forums are dedicated to gay empowerment, rights and lifestyle? How many forums are for OTHER men that haven’t been invaded by feminists, trolls, and blue-pillers?

Also true.

If I could +1 for each of these points I would but I can’t.

I came at this problem from a similar but different angle, but at the end of the day one common question remains:  Why are they here?

[ShaundorjeParticipant 6]

Great stuff, I’m also gay. Gay culture is all about emasculation. Which I personally find repulsive and disgusting.  I’m going to be brutally honest with you about what I feel. Ok now I’m going to explain my new definition of the term “f~~~~~”, as its any gay man that is not MGTOW. The real funny thing is, they want uber-masculine straight men to just totally dominate the s~~~ out off em.  F~~~ing hell you straight guys would make be set for life. Just google ‘straight men rule’ and ‘straight male cashmaster’ Don’t misunderstand, I don’t hate these people, that would be like being frightened of kittens.

[DeepInThoughtParticipant 2710]

Even more interesting is when you have a bunch of straight, not bad looking guys around women and the women pay them zero attention or any sexual interest. In walks of equal looks gay guy and all the women say “what a waste.” Heard that expression too many times whilst straight guys are passed over.

[USMC0331Participant 40]

What disappoints me about the LGBT community is that they are misguided in my opinion. Instead of fighting for the right to get married they should fight for equality for abolishing the whole institution of marriage, at least in so far as it pertains to the state. I think the government has no business either sanctioning or condemning anyone’s personal relationships at all. I’m not against equality, I’m just for it in a different way I suppose. I feel like gay people are literally fighting for the right to ruin their lives or at least make them more difficult. You already have the advantage of not having to deal with unwanted pregnancy and you don’t have to go to court to break up with someone. If my state ever allows gay marriage I think I’m going to go sit outside the courthouse and every gay couple that walks in I’ll just hold up a sign that says “I f~~~ing told you, you didn’t listen” The only thing I wonder about is if two gay men go to divorce court do neither of them get the house? Maybe feminists will make a law that says every gay man that gets divorced gives his house to a lesbian who gets divorced, that way everything is even…..

[jack reacherParticipant 751]

This introduction has got to be one of the most popular ones yet.

I think much of the concerns of straight MGTOW’s around gay men has to do with the contempt  this gynocentric culture has for masculinity. Feminism has attempted to shame traditional straight masculine men, simply for being masculine. Those same virtues that built and defended the nation, protected these bitches and created a safe environment for them to whine about their oppression is thanks to traditional masculinity. And now men are supposed to feel ashamed about having testosterone, drive, guts. Now that their world is nice and safe, they come out of their caves and say to men “move over, we got this”.

Now you have the gay community, which seems to portray parodies of masculinity, with the leather guys, bears, bull dykes, and buck f~~~ing angel, all getting support in this gynocentric, politically correct environment as a marginalized group. Meanwhile traditional masculine straight men are told to be ashamed of themselves. It is this frustration and hypocrisy that I believe is what many straight men are frustrated with. It is almost as if life would be so much easier for them if they were gay.

Of course the other obvious question a straight man may have about a gay self identified MGHOW, is what exactly are you going away from? You are not any intimate relationship with women, simply by being gay by definition you have abandoned the institution of hetero marriage. Now anti-feminist I could see and it would be perfectly logical.

As gay and transgendered folks, you have to know by now women are not your allies. They have hijacked the LGBT movement and put feminist interests front and centre, ready to label all who challenge them as misogynist, which seems to have more power in the queer community since they are all supposed to understand. Those feminist dykes will and have thrown everyone else in the community under the bus, which should be pretty obvious by now.

One final comment, particularly for the gay men, is to read some of Jack Donovan’s works. He challenges the dominant “gay” culture and rejects it. Rejecting all the gay stereotypes including the femininity, in favor of a notion that he is a man who likes men, not a “gay” man. Gay is a label, a marketing gimmick, a fabrication. He strongly advocates for  masculinity  to be embraced by men who love men rather than the limp wristed, catty queen, homo stereotypes. He also points out how feminism is an enemy to men who love men.

[MGTOWhomoParticipant 111]

Hear hear Jackreacher. Couldn’t have said it better myself. I’ve been absent here for a few weeks tending some personal stuff… and yea, some of it had to do with a narcissistic woman whom I mistakenly had allowed into my life some years back, and she finally revealed her true colors, or should I say, color: black. Well after her attempts at castration through the usual “I’m always right and you’re always wrong” technique, she’s been given her walking papers in no uncertain terms, having made the mistake they so often do that “acquaintanceship” meant “friendship.”

Anyway, you’re absolutely right, they have hijacked the whole thing.

[NeversaydieParticipant 51]

You hear that?

 

That is me not giving a fiddlers f#$k who you have sex with, who you are attracted to, or who you spend your time with. I hope nobody else does either.

I engage in oral and anal sex with women as often as possible. I am assuming you engage in oral/anal sex yourself…

You may have a leg up on the rest of us though… you don’t have to listen to a womans blah, blah, blah, me, me, me while you pay for a s~~~ty dinner at a chain restaurant to get your dic# wet.

Its not the social stigma, its not that I feel its wrong, its not an irrational fear of getting raped up the butt… Its just the 100% complete lack of the even ability to look at a dude and think about sex. Maybe because I have respect for some men… and no woman come to mind.

The real upside is chicks dig gay dudes and will tell you all sorts of stuff they wont even share with beta friendzoned manjina slaves… feel free to share this irrational wisdom with us… I will be sure to exploit it.

[resonanceSpectator 0]

John Doe wrote:

I have just seen what homosexuals can do to a society and institution and for the sake of conscious have to acknowledge that this can be a backdoor attempt to derail MGTOW. That is under the assumption they will increase their presence at a quick rate.

I am gay and I joined merely to say my piece this once.

Gay men have no interest in “derailing” MGTOW. The prerogative behind gay men supporting MGTOW is simple. Many MGTOW are, in fact, closeted homosexuals (or bisexuals). It is a phenomenon similar to the Vatican child molestation/sex scandal. How could an institution so vehemently against homosexuality have so many homosexuals? Closeted homosexuals have a tendency to shun women and make up an excuse for doing so and MGTOW is one of them. Also, sexuality happens not to be one or the other. For bisexual MGTOW, restricting their access to women effectively makes them gay. Finally, we have “prison sexuality” where many normally heterosexual men had sex with other men in prison. Before the heavy stigma of homosexuality in society for the past couple decades, many “heterosexual” men also swung the other way plain and simple.

Am I asserting that all/most MGTOW are gay? No. I do not believe anyone knows the precise ratios. Am I hoping for MGTOW to join the gay community and march in pride parades? No. The community and culture are less important than merely increasing the number of potential mates. But even if 15% of MGTOW turned out to be gay in private that would be a huge win for the gay community. So as you can see, I support MGTOW as a gay man in earnest. I am propping up many of my homophobic, closeted brothers. (Also, as a homosexual, I plain dislike women and I find a lot of your ideas homoerotic.)

Now I will leave MGTOW.com forever. and its members with the uncomfortable seed that the MGTOW movement is, at least in part, homosexual. Many homophobic members will be in denial; but, subconsciously, you know that it’s true… even if not for you for many other MGTOW members.

 

 

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

Ever since I was a teenager back in the 80s I remember the gay guys were always looking to terrorize (their word, not mine) ostensibly straight guys with the thought that they might be gay. This, coupled with their insistence that all men ARE secretly gay… probably more wishful thinking than demonstrable fact. The Barely Closeted Hot Straight Guy is the NAWALT of the gay community and every gay guy wants to be the first to find and “turn” him.

What a boon it would be to discover, then, that the rejection of traditional socioeconomic roles by modern men was actually a mass outing of heretofore closeted homosexuals… just looking for an excuse to run screaming from the vagina and into the arms and beds of the gay community.

Don’t bank on it, brother.

[DakotaParticipant 341]

Wow resonance, you speak for ALL gay men, huh?  So troll, your thesis is that a not insignificant portion of men who join a men-only forum whereby members are encouraged not to share personal information nor hold formal meetings to get together are secretly gay and looking to hook-up.  Geeze.  You are one f~~~ed-up tinker toy.  Thank you for proving my thesis; see above.

As has been stated above and observed by many, most gay men think most other men are gay, we just haven’t realized it yet.  I hate to smash your little glass slipper there powder-puff, but that would have to be the all-time number one neurotic idea being bandied about by your “community.”

Nature itself has, over the past 4.5 billion years (and I am confident that nature has extended this basic life system to the 15 billion year-old universe), chose male and female to successfully propagate the species.  Ever heard of how a penis that is inserted into a vagina squirts out sperm that joins with an egg to produce a baby?  This is not a conspiracy by nature so men can realize that what they really want is gay sex.  Being gay is like being born with one arm…you can call it normal and make laws pretending it’s normal and hold parades “supporting” how normal it is all you want, but the fact is, most people are born with two arms because that is what nature has deemed to be the best and most successful idea.  An insignificant amount of humans are born “other” although the media wants you to believe most humans are born gay.  So did nature goof?  Maybe. But deviant behavior has always existed and it has already been proven, although hushed, that man-made chemicals and compounds have altered the sensitive endocrine systems in mammals producing…abnormal results (see: Bruce Jenner) that cascade through generations.  So rejoice!  Many more hairy asses are on the way for you to violate.  We can all get along…just don’t think that since I was born with two arms that I wish I was born with one.

Since the very day I came out of a vagina, I’ve spent my whole life trying to get back in one.  And no amount of watching Glee or wearing skinny jeans and a hoody is gonna change that.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

resonance wrote:

I am gay and I joined merely to say my piece this once.

OK. As long as you’re cool with being kicked out just as quickly – but not until after you’ve been bent over, ass f~~~ed and treated like a cum rag.

resonance wrote:

Many MGTOW are, in fact, closeted homosexuals (or bisexuals).

This is never gonna get you laid.

Closets are, in fact, for brooms. And there is no such thing as “bisexual”.
Either you SUCK DICK…. or you DO NOT suck dick.

You don’t wake up in the morning, flip a coin and call: “Heads, I get hair pie. Tails, it’s b~~~~ across the nose”.

Male or female, that’s how it works.
If you’re man and you suck dick, you’re gay.
If you’re a woman and you suck dick, you’re straight.

There is no such thing as “closet homosexuals”. Gays like you only pretend there is such as thing as a “closet” so you can make a big production out of “coming out” for fanfare and because you think you deserve a f~~~ing parade. You only make a big production out of “coming out” because you live for drama and attention, just like women. You’re so obsessed over who someone ELSE is f~~~ing, that you will even join an online forum to pretend you KNOW.

You can’t tell me what color my car is, or what I ate for breakfast today.
So why are you pretending to know who we throw our dicks into? Because you’re bats~~~ insane.

Like a woman, you’ll convince yourself of anything and believe it.

Gays are always wailing “ACCEPT ME AS I AM!!! I WAS BORN THIS WAAAAAAAAY GIRLFRIEND!!!!!!!!!! *CIRCLE SNAP*” But that very same f~~~ing hypocrite refuses to accept straight men are “born that way” too. That would be like you telling us “I’m gay” and all of us trying to convince you that you’re not. F~~~ off with that s~~~.

Whenever a gay pulls that s~~~, they only get the same stock response:
“I could certainly be gay long enough for YOU to blow me. Anytime you’re ready.”

This always has the reverse effect and they get all p~~~ed off because they are not used meeting men who are so secure in their sexuality, we can say s~~~ like that and watch gays start to short circuit for our own amusement. If anyone is “homophobic” it’s gays themselves. A “phobia” is a fear of something, and only a gay is”afraid” of what they actually are. So much so, that you will live for decades in complete denial – including trying to convince yourself that straights MUST be gay too. Being that secure in a man’s sexuality freaks gays out so much, it’s hilarious. Gays tend to use the same kind of manipulation as women do. And when you AGREE with her (and amplify) she starts hammering any panic button she can find. Same transparent s~~~.

Never mind gay or straight. You’re a f~~~ing idiot either way.

May 1-8 is Straight Pride Week. Go fist yourself right to the elbow. Because this is never gonna get you laid.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[GoodWomenAreUnicornsParticipant 9]

I could’ve said that this is the way this conversation was ultimately going awhile ago.

Seems to me there are too many people on the defensive, too many views outside of the scope of mgtow, and just a lot of hot air.

How about some new policy in a sticky based on our findings here? Put quick and painless end to this thread.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

That’s the thing about gays like @resonance.

They think they are putting a dick in your ass, but they are never counting on you s~~~ting all over it.

We can’t (and won’t) shut down this thread based on one silly moron who has no idea what he’s talking about. Shaun Fletcher (for example) jumped all over that Straight Pride poster when we posted it on Twitter,. He thought was *FABULOUS*, doesn’t subscribe to any of that s~~~ like @resonance does and has only extended MGTOW every courtesy. He is tired of that same old s~~~ too. He should have a place here if he wants one. He’s cool.

I would post his private message to us (which was fun and hilarious) but have to respect that he wanted it kept private.

Here is his public resoonse to that poster for @resonance to read and weep.

NAGALT.

@TheMGTOW. This is so f~~~ing brilliant, and yea I'm gay, #gavemewood
— Vincent (@Shaundorje) April 27, 2015

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[peterfaParticipant 833]

I thought that gay men can’t be MGTOW but they can be sympathizers. Why would a man go his own way when the other way he just doesn’t want? The rest of us might want that way if only women made that possible. We just realized we’re lied to.

[DakotaParticipant 341]

Wow, I didn’t expect my humble introduction to generate so much interest, discussion, and division. If I was more narcissistic, then I guess I’d be honored.

Oh, the irony.

[AmbulocetusParticipant 14]

Lol.  Gotta ask: What p~~~es the tradcons off more?  That you have sex with men?  Or that you won’t?  🙂

Nice to meet you Jamibu.

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