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Anonymous2My name is Jimmy and I’m gay. I’ve been (gay) married and divorced and haven’t dated a woman since I was 18 (senior year of high school—she ended up being a lesbian). I’ve never even had sex with a woman! I know, I know… How do I know I’m really gay then, right? Ha ha. The point is, I’ve had same sex relationships that were awesome because we were just two dudes who loved each other. That is, there were no arguments about who should do what (car maintenance, dishes, home improvement, housework, laundry, yard work, etc.); we each did whatever needed to be done at any given time. Often, we’d find that the other one had already done something when we went to do it. Perfect! No, I’m not trying to “recruit” you. HA!
For obvious reasons, I’m all for equality. I think that women are just as capable, mentally, as men. There is very little difference between a female scientific mind and a male scientific mind—either one could discover the cure for cancer! However, equality only goes so far. Men are stronger than women, generally. I’m a skinny dude, admittedly, and a female body builder could snap me in two like a stick. But most women aren’t body builders—they’re standard, small-framed women with little to no constitution and strength. That’s just the way they’re made! So, no, they should not be on the front lines of wars, they should not be working in environments where strength is key (building roads, constructing skyscrapers, tunneling mines). If a woman IS capable of performing, physically, alongside an average man, THEN SHE SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO DO SO! But they are the exception, not the rule. I’ve personally known female construction workers, managers, and veterans who routinely excelled and succeeded among their male peers. Sometimes they even bested them! How or why? Simply, they strived to be the best person (human being) they could, regardless of gender. That is equality!
The modern feminist agenda, though, is not about true equality. I may be a gay man, but I’m still a man. I’m offended by the onslaught of images and portrayals of men as buffoons, the mere butt of women’s jokes. I’m actually less offended by gay jokes (most of them are quite funny, to be honest) than I am by the assault upon masculinity and maleness. I may not be the Alpha Male masculine archetype, but I do legitimately have a penis.
MGTOWers don’t hate women simply because they’re women. We want women to be successful, fully realized human beings who contribute as much to society as men do! Sadly, most women don’t actually want that. What most women want is to have their cake and eat it too. They want “to be taken care of” but also repudiate the very mechanism(s) that allow that to happen. The perceived and/or real misogyny of the past has been replaced by misandry, which we’re not allowed to speak of and cannot ever have validated by the media or power brokers. Light your torches and sharpen your pitchforks, ladies!
In the dark ages (you know, the 1950s), a woman most likely didn’t have a job of her own or financial independence. It made sense that a man, who did have a job, was expected to pay for the dinner and entertainment of a date. Nowadays, though? It’s still expected, and you’re a douche if you don’t, but it’s unnecessary. Women today do have jobs and financial independence. I won’t even start about engagement rings!
Exactly as I refuse to feel personally guilty and liable to any minority for the prejudiced deeds of my forebears, I will not heed the aggrandizement of “patriarchy” and the perpetual victimhood of women as just reparations for an oppressive past I did not facilitate and most modern women did not endure.
Marriage really is just for gay people now. We didn’t destroy the “sanctity” of it, though, women did.
Although I literally have even less use for women than you do, I stand in solidarity with you. As a man, I will fight alongside you. I have recruited for you, opened the eyes and minds of several straight male friends. Gay men are still men and we are your allies. We don’t appreciate being emasculated any more than you do.
It has been pointed out before, once the feminists “get their way” with straight men – they’ll be coming after the gay community. At present they are uneasily allied with large segments of the gay community against ‘the patriarchy’ but a woman’s alliance only lasts while its directly serving her purpose. Their ultimate aim is the complete domination of everything with a penis.
...And in our own despair, against our will, Comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God. - Agamemnon; by Aeschylus
“In the dark ages (you know, the 1950s)”…..
That was hilarious.
Women were much happier back in the “dark ages”. They have never been more miserable than they are today.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.Jimmy being gay and mgtow is not that odd now, mgtowhomo was recently welcomed to the forum and I am sure there are more here I am unaware of. Not to mention those living mgtow lifestyle but yet to know about the term. So many men come to the site saying they didn’t know there was a name for the way they have been living for years. I was one of those. mgtow from 2006 but only resently aware of this site.
Welcome to mgtow and enjoy the forum.
I was bound to be misunderstood, and I laugh at those who misunderstand me. Kind mockery at the well intentioned, but unfettered cruelty towards those would be prison guards of my creative possibilities. This so as to learn as much from misunderstanding as from understanding. Taking pleasure in worthy opponents and making language fluid and flowing like a river yet pointed and precise as a dagger. Contradicts the socialistic purpose of language and makes for a wonderful linguistic dance, A verbal martial art with constant parries that hone the weapon that is the two edged sword of my mouth.
Sorry, I was called away earlier and couldn’t finish….
First , welcome.’ve never even had sex with a woman! I know, I know… How do I know I’m really gay then, right? Ha ha.
No. We wouldn’t ask you that question. You don’t need to personally murder someone to know that it’s wrong. Right? So you don’t have to sleep with a woman to know that you’re gay, either.
No, I’m not trying to “recruit” you. HA!
We know that. Even if you were, it would fail. You can’t “convince” someone to want to have sex with a man just a woman can’t be talked into truly wanting to have sex with a man either. Attraction is not a choice.
I’m all for equality. I think that women are just as capable, mentally, as men.
Well unfortunately your opinion has little to do with it.
So what, she’s “capable”. Being “capable” is not the same as DOING IT.
A woman is “capable” of reaching for the check when the waiter drops it too… but she doesn’t actually DO it.
Nor does she WANT to do it or think it’s her place to do it. She just says “WOMEN CAN DO ANYTHING MEN CAN DO!!”Yeah. But they DON’T. So who cares if she CAN?
These are some of the things MGTOW have already carefully thought out long before arriving here.
If a woman IS capable of performing, physically, alongside an average man, THEN SHE SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO DO SO
Being “capable” is not enough. She has to be willing to DO it. So why do they pretend they’re not “allowed” and they are “oppressed”?? There are no line ups of women waiting to dig ditches and lay railway tie. This whole “women are not allowed” and “woman are oppressed” bulls~~~ FAILS the moment you walk through this MGTOW doorway.
In all other ways, thank you for making an introduction!
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.Just because you can use something for something other than it’s intended purpose doesn’t mean you should. In this case women, yeah sure they can do alot of the same stuff as men, but they’re not designed for it and there is often a physical price to be paid by trying to assume the role of a man.
Wow, *gay* married and divorced even before it’s legalized in all 50 states?
I tip my hat to you, sir. You are a man ahead of your time.
Hey jamibu… welcome to MGTOW. And you’re right. Women destroyed the sanctity of marriage, just as they are “effeminatizing” and destroying the masculine homosexual community as well and turning it into another (obnoxious, in-your-face, and totally repellant) expression of the left-wind radicalized hive. (Sorry, I had to vent a bit).
It has been pointed out before, once the feminists “get their way” with straight men – they’ll be coming after the gay community. At present they are uneasily allied with large segments of the gay community against ‘the patriarchy’ but a woman’s alliance only lasts while its directly serving her purpose. Their ultimate aim is the complete domination of everything with a penis.
I have to agree warhar: it’s open warfare on men, hetero or homo. You’ll notice I don’t call myself “gay” because that whole “community” has been coopted into lumping homosexual men in with lesbians, drag queens, etc etc. What I call the “effeminatization” of that “community” has been relentless, and the political watchdogs are on the prowl constantly for the slightest deviation from “gay orthodoxy.” What? how can you be a homosexual and opposed to “gay marriage” or “women’s rights” and all that. Without trying to seem arrogant or anything, the feminazis are even more afraid of real homosexual masculinity than they are of heterosexual masculinity, for we see them for what they are without having to learn through bitter sexperience. So they’ve turned the “gay community” into this loud, obnoxious, phylogenetically-impaired cultural swamp that tramps about half-naked (or worse) on “pride day” and shoves obnoxious “Gay” behavior into the faces of parents, children, without any courtesy or sensitivity to straight people whatsoever, demanding “equal rights” and shouting down anyone who disagrees with their feminized vagenda. I for one, am ashamed of it, want no part of it, and want a real homosexual community again where men can be men and go to a bar and not have to deal with one feminized twink, one drag queen, one lesbian, or anything else feminine. I’m sick to death of it. I know homosexual men that boycott “pride” day because they’re ashamed of it. We pay our taxes, think the sexualization of young children is repellent and abhorrent, think feminism is a cancer on western civilization, and support you.
#dumbc~~~
Hey guys it’s me Fiona again, President of the Brookline Vamps and your favorite vamp from Pittsburgh, PA! LOL. Not. I take it I am not especially liked here because I don’t have a penis. Whatever. I was lurking and I read this and I just had to make a comment. I don’t understand how a gay man could not stand in solidarity with women. Seriously. I have a very close gay male friend and he is the BOMB! The absolute BOMB! We go to brunch together and shopping at the Monroeville Mall out in the suburbs and he has even better taste than I do in clothes and fashion. Matter of fact, it was he who put together my outfit when I interviewed for a higher position last year and his wardrobe help helped me get the promotion. I have no doubt about this. We bitch about living in Pittsburgh together and he’s someone I can go to to bitch about men as he has the same horrible luck with Rust Bucket Men as I do. The only reason he stays here and deals with the subpar quality man is that housing is very cheap here and he was able to buy a house at the age of 26, and in most places in this country that just isn’t going to happy nowadays. But I digress. My roommate Karija can’t stand him as she has a thing against gays, probably because of where she came from – Morocco. But I love my Best Gay Friend Forever – Ted. He is so sweet and I hope to find him a gay man worthy of him so that he can be happy. Ted deserves happiness more than I do. He is the most decent person I have ever met, for all that he has a penis. So don’t tell me I’m man hater. I’d do anything for Ted.
Quod erat demonstrandum, viri! (Yea… google translate will help, though sometimes it can’t handle inflections properly. I didn’t have to use it, BTW, because I had a real education before “women’s studies” became popular.)
But most women aren’t body builders—they’re standard, small-framed women with little to no constitution and strength. That’s just the way they’re made! So, <span style=”font-family: Thread-00001ae4-Id-000000dc;”>no</span>, they should not be on the front lines of wars, they should not be working in environments where <span style=”font-family: Thread-00001ae4-Id-000000dc;”>strength</span> is key (building roads, constructing skyscrapers, tunneling mines). If a woman IS capable of performing, physically, alongside an average man
welcome dude. i do not agree with you on that one. There can not be true equality if you think that they should not do such things. I do hope they will be forced like us to go to front lines and work in such jobs if they want to survive , just like we do.Its not about strenght but about life habits. i know many women that cause of poverty had to work on the fields in agriculture and such from young age 50 years ago and i can tell you not only they managed but even today at 60 plus they have more stamina and strenght then many , its about your body beeing used to the workload not pure phisical strenght. This bulls~~~ has to stop that “they are weaker and cant do this” cause thats exactly why we ended up in this mess where women have all rights witouth having to do s~~~ like we do, or they can be violent to us witouth suffering retribution cause law says they are weak creatures diferent then man.
equality has a price, let them have it.
You, Sir, directly above this post, deserve to live alone in your basement apartment in Carrick or eeeewwwwww Lower Dormont. I have no sympathy for you whatsoever and I believe that society sentencing you to your pathetic life in your basement in Carrick is just, fair and right. You certainly deserve this sentence based on your behavior towards me. HOW DARE YOU? That is all. Fiona, P~~~ed Off in Pittsburgh, PA
Anyone who starts a sentence with “you sir” in an attempt to be sarcastic, does not deserve to be taken seriously. Just take the hint, go away and stay away. How many times do you have to get thrown out of the joint to get the clue? You are a dumb c~~~ and no one likes you.
Hey guys it’s me Fiona again,
you guys hear that? That was the sound of me still not giving a f~~~ about this split tail….
Life is too long to play by someone elses rules....
So Jamibu, by oddly Gay do you mean queer?
Life is too long to play by someone elses rules....
Watch any “reality” TV show… whenever there is a female contestant who is getting close to the final rounds, she inevitably says the following:
“I’m not just here for myself… I’m here representing all women.”
WTF? I can’t imagine even THINKING something like that, much less saying it out loud. I’m representing Jesse Owens and Carl Segan and Paul Prudhomme and Henry Ford and Ghengis Khan and… ah, no. Far greater men have tread this earth than I will ever be. I can’t even claim to represent my culture or my home town… I’d be happy to just go out and do my best. Why is it that every female who gets a moment’s recognition thinks they’re the first f~~~ing person to walk on the moon?
Fiona, you realize people like you are why MGTOW exists? You’re immoral and wicked. You don’t feel sorry for anybody but yourself. You’re out for control but you’re not capable of leadership though you feel entitled. You’re criminally minded and fit for the jail. You need to tone down your pride and go to therapy. I can promise you that you’re missing out on the best things life has to offer because pride separates you from those things.
Frankly, I am suspicious of the gay influx. If I am the only one here that thinks it, then everyone can deal with it. I will say my piece then leave it at that.
We had “gay” members who openly admitted that homosexuals emulate the female mind in many respects. Because forums are fundamentally intellectual in nature, I do not understand what exactly can be offered by a female mind.
I understand that all men are having their issues right now. All of us are being affected by the culture, negatively speaking, in one way or another. But the truth is homosexuality is being actively favored in the culture right now. It is a growing movement. The “persecution” is on the decrease.
I do not understand what exactly a gay man can get from MGTOW. I understand that gay men are sick of women. Straight men too, obviously. But the truth is everyone is sick of women. Even the women are. Too allow membership into a community because one is sick of women is not that great a thing because it is a universal trait.
For straight men, feminism actually ruins their lives. Marriages and families are dissolved or destroyed. The straight man is sent into a life time of slavery. He has very few to no rights legally speaking. Even in the work place he is last on the list. PC can destroy his career or reputation. And on top of that we are constantly mocked and derided in the media.
The worst thing a gay man has to deal with is them entering their bars. The culture is changing in their favor otherwise.
I am not advocating persecuting or getting rid of homosexuals, because I do believe they are born that way. However I am suspicious of the influx too. I am all for acceptance, but the accepted must have something to offer. I do not know what men who identify themselves as homosexuals can offer. And I am being frank. Other than a boost to numbers, I do not know.
One thing, many members do not know about me, is that I studied in a Catholic seminary for a few years. I have seen first hand the level of destruction a large influx of homosexuals can do to an institution. It is not a pleasant thing to watch or experience. I have been the straight minority before. If the tables are turned, homosexuals will be just as savage or more savage to straight men than straight men to homosexuals. There is no peace where they flourish. It is like dealing with women who have the bodies of men. Let me repeat that, it is like dealing with women who have the bodies of men. And because this is a forum we are, by its very nature, limited to the intellect.
With that being said, as a man I expect men to criticize me and sharpen my ideas and skills where they seem lacking. I am under the impression, and it is an impression, that our homosexual brothers seem to want to “please” their fellow man rather than improve him through correction. This desire to “please” is very similar to the non-twist version of the female nature. The last thing any of us needs is a circle jerk.
Now I want to be clear, I do not hate homosexuals. Nor am I homophobic, nor anti-gay people, etc. People are people. We all have issues. But with that being said, I do not view homosexuality as a good thing in itself. It is like a f~~~ed up female nature on steroids bent on pleasing its own desires without rhyme or reason. As I said though, I do not hate homosexual men. They are just men.
I have just seen what homosexuals can do to a society and institution and for the sake of conscious have to acknowledge that this can be a backdoor attempt to derail MGTOW. That is under the assumption they will increase their presence at a quick rate.
Now having a few is okay, no one here is perfect. We all have different issues, but issues none the less. However I would be cautious as to the numbers who are will arrive. Remember, even the “masculine gays” desire to please a man rather than improve him.
Now to the new gay members here, such as MGTOWhomo/etc. You are cool in my book. I have respect for your opinions. But with that being said I can’t help but get the impression the vast majority are very apologetic in nature and are trying to please the other members rather than contribute something. I really do not see the need for men who act like women around here. Unless they are trying to survive the system. But I cannot figure out what the gay men are trying to avoid except constant bitching. But women are subject to that too.
If I am wrong, so be it. If I offended anyone get over it. I will treat everyone the same straight/gay/bi/whatever. That also includes criticism. It is just my two cents and a word of caution from experience. If no one knows by now, I am the first to dish out criticism but I expect it in return.
Hopefully this is clear enough of a statement.
It’s perfectly clear, and no offense taken. And you know what? You’re right, John Doe. You guys deserve your space. Best wishes.
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