Oddly, I'm gay and MGTOW. What?!

[NioZenParticipant 856]

It’s a tough one. I’m going to be up front and say I really dislike the ‘gay-culture’ vibe, with all the effeminate affectations, forced fake bulls~~~ and in your face ‘look at me look at me’. Just f~~~ off, I don’t care about your stupid rainbows. That said, gay men are still men so why shouldn’t they be extended the hand of brotherly friendship if they’re embracing and celebrating masculinity? The brotherhood of MGTOW so often crosses borders of race and religion and other petty concerns, because the shared experience of being a man is more primary than all of those petty things. The brotherhood of men is the last force for good left in the world. Now read that last sentence again.

If gay men wanna come and be men, why can’t this be a place that they can do it? At least we’ll be rescuing the poor bastards from feminine influence. They’re not women with dicks, they’re men. How often has Milo Yiannopoulos outwitted feminists to the amusement of us all? Granted, he’s not the most manly man I’ve ever seen, but come on, we’re MEN, we’re f~~~ing awesome, we’re above all the petty bulls~~~, we’re enlightened beings, we’re the product of billions of years of creation.

As for the ‘ooh, I don’t want him grabbing my dick concerns’ , seriously? Jesus, you know who you sound like? Yeah, exactly. It should be clear as f~~~ing day that someone is gonna be picking up broken teeth with broken fingers if that happens, so why sweat it? An if anyone attempts to kill this place they get ban hammered into oblivion on a case by case basis, no?

And here’s a thought – if you’re defining MGTOW in terms of only men that are sexually attracted to women, aren’t you saying that women still in some way define what men are? I call bulls~~~ on that one.

Steve Hughes on gay men, lol:

We only dream this bondage. Wake up and let it go. - Vivekananda

[OhnoParticipant 668]

NioZen wrote:

As for the ‘ooh, I don’t want him grabbing my dick concerns’ , seriously? Jesus, you know who you sound like? Yeah, exactly.

A what? – a straight man? After i tell a gay dude that im fine with being friends and only friends I dont want my dick to be touched by him. Its especially anoying in a car.

NioZen wrote:

And here’s a thought – if you’re defining MGTOW in terms of only men that are sexually attracted to women, aren’t you saying that women still in some way define what men are? I call bulls~~~ on that one.

Nope, im not saying that women (still ?) in some way define what men are, by saying that.

[NioZenParticipant 856]

Damn GT, just replied and my message didn’t post, will give it another shot –

The first – this is where knuckle justice comes in, or a long walk along the autobahn for that guy. People that have no respect for you? Game over, no questions asked.

The second – I don’t think I explained it well, so I’ll lay out my argument, see what you think.

My feeling is that the real problem is the erroneous promotion of the feminine over the masculine. To me MGTOW is about self determinism and being unapologetically masculine. Women don’t get to define masculinity, we do. How can we have the freedom to define our masculinity and celebrate our true nature if we limit that entire definition in terms of sexual attraction to women? Freedom doesn’t come with those sort of caveats.

If we fully embrace masculine traits such as strength, mental fortitude, leadership, ambition, fraternity, wisdom, learning, then we find that some men who also embrace those same truths prefer pork to fish, does it really matter? Does it negate the true nature of a man? I would think not. I look to the Spartans as an imperfect example of the compatibility of homosexuality with masculinity. I will hand on heart say that I can’t watch men kissing and carrying on, it find it pretty repulsive tbh, so I’m no apologist, but if those same guys are embracing the same aspects of manhood that we hold dear, does the fact that they like one in the ass now and again detract from the more important point that they are firmly in our corner?

I personally think sexual attraction comes way down on the list of things that are important to a man embracing his true nature and creating something miraculous in this world. So personally, I would rather that the masculine gay guys have a shelter from overt toxic femininity than callously leave them to the wolves. But I do think the girly men of both persuasions can stfu and gtfo – I’d rather talk to a masculine gay than a f~~~ing mangina, we’d have a lot more in common in terms of self respect and integrity.

We only dream this bondage. Wake up and let it go. - Vivekananda

[OhnoParticipant 668]

NioZen wrote:

But I do think the girly men of both persuasions can stfu and gtfo – I’d rather talk to a masculine gay than a f~~~ing mangina, we’d have a lot more in common in terms of self respect and integrity.

I never met a masculine gay, they are all girlish in at least some ways, without an exception. If they dont ACT or LOOK girlish thats when they are being strategic in order to get laid or when its beneficial to them to not be seen as a gay man. Just look at the gays on here. ” Hey, ODDLY im GAY an MGTOW ” , well he says it himself… it would be odd…… other gays Username: MGTOW homo… well if thats not attention whoring at its best…

I dont limit being manly to terms of sexual attraction. To me being manly is about

– to not give a damn about what is socially acceptable
– not playing a role if you dont get love from your environment for being as you are… rather be an outsider.
– not talking s~~~ about other people behind their back

just a few examples where women and gays would be the opposite to men, in general . You might think, wait a minute.. point 1 ? yes point 1 too, remember a few decades ago when it was socially unacceptable to be gay? – gays werent coming out back then, now they are since its socially acceptable.
About point 3… all gays i knew back then were into that. About each other and especially about my girlfriend who was known in the group.

And what about the whole marriage problem and how it is a very bad deal for men nowadays? – gays cant relate to that, because both are men and so there is no problem for them…. Women have an advantage towards men in court as we all know… but if both are men?

Really, gays shouldnt be part of this here…. but thats just my opinion and the opinion of many others here as this threat showed.

[NioZenParticipant 856]

Yeah, I agree that your 3 points are important GT, for me that’s a part of what I think integrity is all about. Maybe I am chasing shadows with ‘masculine gays’ (gay unicorns?! lol), but I think men are capable of being masculine and gay if historic example is anything to go by, maybe most modern gay males don’t make this connection – either way, one for my ‘jury still out’ pile. Thanks for sharing experience though – I’ve met very few gays as compared to you, & apologies, I was a bit of a t~~~ to you before. Cheers.

We only dream this bondage. Wake up and let it go. - Vivekananda

[NioZenParticipant 856]

Ohno wrote:

Lucifer wrote:

As for the ‘ooh, I don’t want him grabbing my dick concerns’ , seriously? Jesus, you know who you sound like? Yeah, exactly.

A what? – a straight man? After i tell a gay dude that im fine with being friends and only friends I dont want my dick to be touched by him. Its especially anoying in a car.

Lucifer wrote:

And here’s a thought – if you’re defining MGTOW in terms of only men that are sexually attracted to women, aren’t you saying that women still in some way define what men are? I call bulls~~~ on that one.

Nope, im not saying that women (still ?) in some way define what men are, by saying that.

For the first one, that’s the point where knuckle justice is enforced, or at the very least leave the f~~~er to walk home along the autobahn. Easy, don’t f~~~ around or you end up eating some consequences. That person has no respect for you, game over.

The second – let’s see if I can convey this correctly, not sure I got my point across there properly; my personal understanding is MGTOW is a philosophy of self determinism and being unapologetically masculine. As men, we get to determine what masculinity is, not women. How can we honestly say, therefore, that we are free to define masculinity without hindrance if our definition is in some way related to women? Women shouldn’t be part of the picture here, it’s limiting and irrelevant. How can having the freedom to express our natural strengths have caveats?

If masculine virtues (and again, this is just my definition) like strength, integrity, hard work, leadership, ambition, fraternity are fully embraced, and it turns out that a small percentage of those embracing masculinity happen to prefer pork to fish, then does it really matter at all? I would think no. I’m not trying to be an apologist, and I freely admit that I can’t watch men kissing and carrying on, but I don’t think homosexuality is necessary at odds with masculinity. I think Sparta provides a pretty clear example of masculinity and homo-eroticism not necessarily being at odds with each other. The ass-backwards dominance of femininity over masculinity is the problem, not some chaps playing hide the sausage with each other. Who cares as long as they are with us rather than against us?

We only dream this bondage. Wake up and let it go. - Vivekananda

[OhnoParticipant 668]

NioZen wrote:

. I think Sparta provides a pretty clear example of masculinity and homo-eroticism not necessarily being at odds with each other.

It doesnt, because the homosexuality that was encouraged was between slaves and their masters. It were the rich and powerful old men that had young boys usually aged between 12 and 18 held as sex-slaves. The same rich and powerful people, who made the laws and paid the writers. Between men of same age or social status gay relationships were froned upon. Also in the military they had young boys for the warriors to get f~~~ed in the butt….but the warriors werent f~~~ing each other…

To me it looks like homosexual acts were mostly about superiority back then…

I highly doubt masculinity had a part in this, also i doubt that most of those boyf~~~ers were actually homosexuals.

little text about how the ruling history is always the history of the ruling!

Ruling Class and Ruling Ideas

The ideas of the ruling class are in every epoch the ruling ideas, i.e. the class which is the ruling material force of society, is at the same time its ruling intellectual force. The class which has the means of material production at its disposal, has control at the same time over the means of mental production, so that thereby, generally speaking, the ideas of those who lack the means of mental production are subject to it. The ruling ideas are nothing more than the ideal expression of the dominant material relationships, the dominant material relationships grasped as ideas; hence of the relationships which make the one class the ruling one, therefore, the ideas of its dominance. The individuals composing the ruling class possess among other things consciousness, and therefore think. Insofar, therefore, as they rule as a class and determine the extent and compass of an epoch, it is self-evident that they do this in its whole range, hence among other things rule also as thinkers, as producers of ideas, and regulate the production and distribution of the ideas of their age: thus their ideas are the ruling ideas of the epoch. For instance, in an age and in a country where royal power, aristocracy, and bourgeoisie are contending for mastery and where, therefore, mastery is shared, the doctrine of the separation of powers proves to be the dominant idea and is expressed as an “eternal law.”

(taken from https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1845/german-ideology/ch01b.htm )

[AncientwisdomParticipant 6089]

They’re not women with dicks, they’re men.

Theyre men that LIKE DICKS. Men that want to have sex with men. That alone, fundamentally changes the dynamic in a Mens Only Club.

Can you imagine having a f~~ in the locker room at your gym? The mood would most certainly change. Yes, that is an extreme example but we do discuss some very personal experiences here “b~~~~ out” style. There was already a gay poster in this thread that hurled the accusation “ i know you guys are all really gay”. That was nice to experience. Its not an unknown fact that homos love to try and convert straight men. They get their rocks off from it.

I also seriously fail to see what any gay man can contribute to this forum, what they can gain from it, and what in the world do they have in common with any of us? They dont even like pussy, so how are they Going Their Own Way in any sense whatsoever? Theyre not walking away from anything. They like dick.

Im sure they have their own “challenges” and “problems” but their much better served in a host of other forums and communities. S~~~ how popular is the alphabet soup LGBT? The White House was cascaded in rainbow colors. The f~~~ing White House! Society isnt sympathetic towards MGTOW. We have a TINY foot print in the web. Theres probably tens of thousands of websites devoted to homos. As several members stated in this thread gays have to infiltrate everyones space. If the OP wanted to join MGTOW like any other member he could have and noone would have known hes gay. But he came screaming from the hill tops that hes gay. Why even mention it? Gays arent Going Their Own Way. Their f~~~ing other men in the ass. Literally.

I fail to see what they have in common with us.

Resident cynic.

[Anonymous 29]

Ancientwisdom wrote:

Its not an unknown fact that homos love to try and convert straight men.

I do not think they can convert a straight men, . . maybe lead them astray.
What they actually do is . . . recruit them .

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

NioZen wrote:

It’s a tough one. I’m going to be up front and say I really dislike the ‘gay-culture’ vibe, with all the effeminate affectations, forced fake bulls~~~ and in your face ‘look at me look at me’. Just f~~~ off, I don’t care about your stupid rainbows. That said, gay men are still men so why shouldn’t they be extended the hand of brotherly friendship if they’re embracing and celebrating masculinity? The brotherhood of MGTOW so often crosses borders of race and religion and other petty concerns, because the shared experience of being a man is more primary than all of those petty things. The brotherhood of men is the last force for good left in the world. Now read that last sentence again.

If gay men wanna come and be men, why can’t this be a place that they can do it? At least we’ll be rescuing the poor bastards from feminine influence. They’re not women with dicks, they’re men. How often has Milo Yiannopoulos outwitted feminists to the amusement of us all? Granted, he’s not the most manly man I’ve ever seen, but come on, we’re MEN, we’re f~~~ing awesome, we’re above all the petty bulls~~~, we’re enlightened beings, we’re the product of billions of years of creation.

As for the ‘ooh, I don’t want him grabbing my dick concerns’ , seriously? Jesus, you know who you sound like? Yeah, exactly. It should be clear as f~~~ing day that someone is gonna be picking up broken teeth with broken fingers if that happens, so why sweat it? An if anyone attempts to kill this place they get ban hammered into oblivion on a case by case basis, no?

And here’s a thought – if you’re defining MGTOW in terms of only men that are sexually attracted to women, aren’t you saying that women still in some way define what men are? I call bulls~~~ on that one.

Steve Hughes on gay men, lol:

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My take on MGTOW is that I don’t get where it is about having anything in common with other men as far as something positive. I see it as something that involves marrying, and not much else. What I get out of “I am gay but MGTOW” is the man is gay and doesn’t want anything to do with women. In the way that MGTOW, as I see it, avoid women, how would he be any different than being gay? I would take the homosexual version of MGTOW is a man who is attracted to other men, but doesn’t form any long-term relationships with other men. The focus is on not doing these relationships.

What I am increasingly seeing is this heavy fixation on women in MGTOWsphere that totally ends up ignoring the nature of marriage problems. It is just a belief that marriage as it is today, is just fine, it is the women who are messing it up. Is it the nature of women normally, or society? It isn’t that marriage itself isn’t working today at all. But, I guess men are free to do whatever they way, including having a version of MGTOW that is focused on the nature of women.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

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