Oddly, I'm gay and MGTOW. What?!

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

I may as well weigh in on this topic. First off, my “gay credentials”… I lived in San Francisco for 15 years and worked the majority of that time in the real estate industry which is populated mostly by older women and homosexual men. I’m on a first name basis with a number of gay men and one of my clients was an exclusively gay company whose office was in the Castro (San Francisco’s gay district) and during my visits to their office I was probably the only straight male within a quarter mile.

Funny how it’s virtually required to state up front that, as a straight man, I take no issue with homosexuality. “Homophobe” is a charge that is leveled against straight men just as quickly and easily as “mysogynist” yet it never sounds right to simply say “some of my best friends are”. But I digress.

Given that I am naturally suspicious of anyone who claims to be a “friend of” without having the same fundamental experiences in their own lives (Would anyone believe me if I were to say I truly understand what it’s like to be marginalized the way gays were for so long?), seeing a sudden influx of gay men here strikes me the same way as seeing a group of socially experienced lesbian women show up at a young women’s shelter offering “aid and comfort” would. The implication that there could be ulterior motives to their presense is too strong to simply ignore, regardless of how they made the approach.

How far fetched would it be to think that some members of the gay community could see MGTOW as a chance to draw some disgruntled and sexually frustrated men “out of the closet” and into their own waiting arms and beds? I can see it already… “TRAPS, the REAL NAWALTs!”

Of course, everyone knows that you can’t “turn” a man gay… he either is or isn’t. Nevertheless I have known and heard countless gay men talk about turning straight guys… it’s my opinion that gay men believe that ALL men are actually gay to some degree, just they need a good reason to give up on females and a little push over the edge to accept it for themselves. Certainly I have seen lesbians “turn” young females who have had recent traumas relating to boyfriends. The sound of them swooping on a hot young female can be heard for blocks around whenever it happens.

And who can blame them, really?

So yeah, come on in, gay men, and tell us your opinions if you like, but if you can’t really identify with our experiences as straight men, you probably won’t have much to offer and even less to gain from participating in our forums and will eventually leave. And, as far as I am concerned, feel free to try to cherry pick any MGTOW you feel might be open to “Going Gay” as opposed to Going Galt. I suspect there probably are a few here and there who would be happier in the hairy, sweaty company of a bunch of sexually aggressive, highly experienced and largely uninhibited dudes to “show them an alternative to women”.

I hear getting f~~~ed in the ass only hurts the first few times. Can’t be worse than learning to deal with females and risk getting your wealth and children stolen from you, can it?

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Stargazer wrote:

it’s my opinion that gay men believe that ALL men are actually gay to some degree, just they need a good reason to give up on females and a little push over the edge to accept it for themselves.

Heard it a thousand times, myself.

But here’s the thing…. gay men are often make a production out of telling everyone:
“I CANT HELP IT I WAS BORN THIS WAY!!!! I JUST WANT TO BE ACCEPTED AS I AM!!!”

But then a straight guy says: “thanks but I prefer chicks” and the gay thinks he can be persuaded. He just needs a little push!

NO. That’s when you tell them…..

“I CANT HELP IT I WAS BORN THIS WAY!!!! I JUST WANT TO BE ACCEPTED AS I AM!!!”

Stargazer wrote:

I hear getting f~~~ed in the ass only hurts the first few times. Can’t be worse than learning to deal with females and risk getting your wealth and children stolen from you, can it?

I don’t care how much it hurts, ask any divorced man he if he would rather take it in the face or have his kids, house, future and 401K stolen…. and I’ll bet you a pair of leather chaps – and raise you handsome mustache – every single female-initiated-divorced man will hand you the lube, agree to be the bitch and LIKE it.

You won’t have to buy him dinner first or nothin’.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Anonymous 2]

I admittedly can’t speak to the deep, personal, traumatic issues of marriage, children, and divorce, nor will I try to. As I previously stated, though, I am legitimately male and do have to contend with the other myriad issues of misandry. The social norms of society have ceased to simply be the common choices of the majority of individuals, evolving organically over (usually protracted) periods of time; currently—and increasingly!—norms are being shifted dramatically via various schemes of social engineering by a shrill, vocal minority. The overtly stated goal is to completely upend the paradigm and to upend it NOW. I’m sure you’ve seen those three letters capitalized together before. Coincidence?

I am not an interloper, recruiter, reporter, or spy. I have no hidden agenda nor ulterior motives. I merely which to understand, help others understand, and assist however I can in furthering this very important new, enlightening life stance.

I’m no stranger to intolerance and therefore have thick skin and an ego not easily bruised. Reading your words and analyzing your viewpoints will undoubtedly shape my own views and opinions. I hope to be a fuller, more well-rounded man because of it. If I can contribute anything, however minute, to this conversation, then I will feel honored.

I am no threat. If you can’t consider me a true ally, at least know that the enemy of your enemy is your friend.

[Smitty the Great OneParticipant 1535]

Don’t worry Jami, if we thought you were anything but genuine, we’d have told you so by now. I had a gay friend that would be an ass when he got real drunk and make passes at me. He always did it when I was trying to chat up a young lady. When he was sober, he would have be embarrassed of his behavior. He did it one too many times and I tore a leg off and end table and beat him up and down with it, problem solved. It was a drastic action, but he never pulled that s~~~ again.

Life is too long to play by someone elses rules....

[harpo-my-“SON”Participant 2410]

the shadow of the crack of her ass weighs twenty pounds by itself.

 

Smitty  That was heavy hitting funny.

Cooking is easy. I did the cooking even when I was married because I was better at it and enjoyed doing it. For this reason I refused to wash dishes or even load the dishwasher.

I have saved several of my aunts recipe collections after they passed. My favorite was aunt Margarie who’s  collections on 3×5 index cards of the most scrumptious Cajun food has been digitized.  I should post her collection somewhere here.

I was bound to be misunderstood, and I laugh at those who misunderstand me. Kind mockery at the well intentioned, but unfettered cruelty towards those would be prison guards of my creative possibilities. This so as to learn as much from misunderstanding as from understanding. Taking pleasure in worthy opponents and making language fluid and flowing like a river yet pointed and precise as a dagger. Contradicts the socialistic purpose of language and makes for a wonderful linguistic dance, A verbal martial art with constant parries that hone the weapon that is the two edged sword of my mouth.

[MGTOWhomoParticipant 111]

Anonymous wrote:

I am not an interloper, recruiter, reporter, or spy. I have no hidden agenda nor ulterior motives. I merely which to understand, help others understand, and assist however I can in furthering this very important new, enlightening life stance.

Well said Jamibu, and that’s precisely my stance. I’m simply here to offer whatever support I can to mgtow because men everywhere are under assault. While we cannot identify with all the crap heaped on straight men by mysandric feminism and a pro-women “justice” system  – the theft of their livelihood, their children – we can identify because we see the galloping mysandry in the “gay community.” Frankly, I don’t blame some guys here being upset by our presence, given the obnoxious behavior of the gay community – with which I do NOT identify and of which I do NOT consider myself a member – which a simple glance at resembles so much of the same in-your-face attitude of the feminists.

[MGTOWhomoParticipant 111]

Keymaster wrote:

I’ve previously been in a line of work where I worked very closely some with homosexual men on daily basis, and I don’t mind saying I TOTALLY get his stance on “f~~s” (for lack of a more colorful term – no offense to anyone please). They can be downright VICIOUS (as catty, unfeeling , hurtful and snide as women are) …and completely empathize with his wanting to get as far as f~~~ing possible away from that. There’s a kind of cruel and almost hateful competition there too.

You’ve nailed it Key Master. It’s that “effeminate gay” man that is so vastly different from a homosexual. They were always there, but now that seems to be the “persona” one has to adopt in order to be “gay.” I would go so far as to say it’s actually subtly and deliberately pushed. I know exactly the type you’re talking about and they are just as catty, if not worse, than the modern women/feminist. The sense of entitlement they have just because they’re gay is abhorent. That’s why I call myself what I am: homosexual. I most decidedly do not identify with the “gay” community rabble for precisely the behavior you noted. They want everyone to be “sensitive” to them while they insensitively shove their complete lack of decorum, civility, and courtesy into straight people’s faces at every turn. That type is the gay equivalent of manginas. I want, and have, nothing to do with them.

[J.D SilvernailParticipant 383]

I don’t hate women. I just bitterly resent them because of the way that they treated me.

I'm married to the game,but she broke her vows.

[Anonymous 2]

It’s easier to f~~~ with female sexuality as they are designed to look sexy and they don’t know what they want. It seems unlikely trying to turn a man is even possible. I’ve told myself “damn I wish I was gay” a couple of times because of stupid c~~~s being c~~~s. I just can’t find anything sexually attractive in a male, else I would definately consider “going gay” as an alternative. I’m kinky enough to know anal sex doesn’t need to hurt, but can’t imagine it any other way then topping a female. Female sexuality on the other hand, is easily mallable. It has to be when a female can consider sex an inconvenience on the road to your wallet.

[EscapedMentalPatientParticipant 1490]

I’m late to the party, and have been away,  Jam229.  Welcome.  Your thoughts, experiences and views are unique and interesting; I look forward to reading more.

 

[Tim PattenParticipant 660]

It’s good to see you upfront about your orientation. I don’t date chicks either.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Smitty the Great One wrote:

I had a gay friend that would be an ass when he got real drunk and make passes at me. He always did it when I was trying to chat up a young lady. When he was sober, he would have be embarrassed of his behavior. He did it one too many times and I tore a leg off and end table and beat him up and down with it, problem solved. It was a drastic action, but he never pulled that s~~~ again.

Oh I know that scene. The f~~~ing c~~~-blocking and backstabbing that goes on is sick. It’s like getting a job into todays HR-infested labor market. Not only are you representing yourself to the company, but you have to deal with the totally uninvolved “represantative” who is not qualified, has nothing to do with it, has totally ridiculous criteria, and actually stands in the way of the company finding the right person.

HR virtually guarantees a company end up with a substandard person who’s only skill is telling them what they want to hear. The “gay best friend” guarantees she ends up with the same s~~~…. and it’s OK with him, because he always gets to be number one in her life. She would rather go shoe shopping and bitch about her boyfriend over a few lattes than meet or date the right guy.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[gamespot1114Participant 20]

Welcome to the MGTOW community Jamibu. There is nothing wrong with being gay and MGTOW, and nothing wrong with being gay in general. I’m very happy to see how diverse our community is. I myself am a straight Middle Eastern American Atheist (formerly Christian) living in Chicago. What’s so great about our community is how diverse and open-minded we all are. Did you ever think that so many diverse people of all cultures would come together like this?! It’s really an amazing group we have and I welcome you to the community. You’re absolutely right about how women emasculate gay men to effeminate men, as if to imply that gay men are really women with a penis. that is wrong and it saddens me to see how gay men are seen like that and not as real men of real depth and substance. I applaud your resolve Jamibu. It’s not easy for a man to publicly address his resolve to people, especially gay men, and I’m glad that there are gay men out there who don’t buy into the whole “I have to act effeminate bc I’m gay” bulls~~~ that many of them do; that gay men can be real men without feeding the stereotype of what gay men should be. Again, welcome, and I hope to see more strong men like you join the MGTOW movement.

[VoidraitheParticipant 477]

I will just say this, I have seen several SJW’s (3rd wave feminists) discussing gay men. They are careful not to isolate them as supporters to whatever cause of the day they are screaming about but I’ve also seen a large number espouse the attitude of “gay men are the ultimate misogynists”. They are doing to gay men in society what they do to men in marriage. Keep them around and happy until they are of no longer use.

I have gay male friends and gay women friends and I would spend a night with my gay male friends over gay women friends any f~~~ing day. That might be because they one woman is the proverbial misandric landwhale.

 

 

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

This is not surprising. I have seen and heard females refer to attractive, financially well off homosexual men and say something like “How dare he not be hot for me?” like angry witches whose spells are somehow not working.

Many females take it as an offense that these guys are choosing each other over them, keeping their money (and their jizz) in their own communities and not validating the female’s existence, giving them babies and paying their bills.

[GoodWomenAreUnicornsParticipant 9]

Krab_Ass wrote:

so MISANDRY didn’t come up as a word in my computers correct spelling suggestion right??? That was bad enough, then, I went to my cell-phone’s app. It wasn’t THERE either! I guess MISANDRY doesn’t exist!! The feminists of the world have REMOVED the so called man-hate word of misandry!!

You’re right, I fancy myself to have a relatively high level vocabulary arsenal. Today I was challenged and found that this term is so shadowed by the monolithic “misogyny” term that I’ve never even heard or read it.

[MGTOWhomoParticipant 111]

Voidraithe wrote:

I will just say this, I have seen several SJW’s (3rd wave feminists) discussing gay men. They are careful not to isolate them as supporters to whatever cause of the day they are screaming about but I’ve also seen a large number espouse the attitude of “gay men are the ultimate misogynists”. They are doing to gay men in society what they do to men in marriage. Keep them around and happy until they are of no longer use.

You’ve got is voidraith. The feminization of the “gay ‘community'” is all about making it just another plank to power for the collectivists and the radical left sisterhood. That’s why I support MGTOW.

[Smacktalk73Participant 296]

Jami, is your profile pic a photo of yourself?   That is the one kinda weird thing about your profile.  Not that there’s anything weird about posting a pic of yourself online generally, but notice how nobody ELSE at MGTOW.com has pics of themselves as their profile photos?  The basic idea is that your profile image is to advertise your philosophy/ideas.  Your profile pic looks like a personal ad.  If you changed it, it would eliminate the risk of someone inferring that.

[Anonymous 5]

Key Master you make me cry with your words. You know things – experience -honor, all dead nowadays but you bring it back into my life. I don’t get enough honesty from people nowadays and in return I give them the same. I hate this cycle so endless – I will most likely die before I can live the feeling I get from your words. And to say we probably hate each other if we meet. Am a punk a prick – but godam I will go my own way and I know how to listen and am learning. what thread what a bunch people on this site it truly gives me hope. thank you – what a time this is that I gained this through looking at a f~~~ing screen. Man what a world.

[BigDParticipant 3025]

My only question is, how come when I go to the gay bar with my gay friend, the drinks are bigger, taste better, and are a lot cheaper?  Also, how come when you order bar food and other drinks, like coffee or tea, that is even better as well for a good price?

Don't stick your dick into anyone you aren't willing to put up with for eighteen years and nine months.

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