Oddly, I'm gay and MGTOW. What?!

[Anonymous 2]

Thanks for the (mostly) warm welcome, all. I didn’t expect my post to get as much attention and as many responses as it did! As I’ve been away from the forum for a day and I can’t possibly reply to everyone individually, I’ll try to clarify in general what I think and feel, and why I’m here.

First and foremost, I do believe in the theoretical idealism of true equality for all. However, I’m also keenly aware of the limits of its execution in real life and how “equality” as a principle has been coopted by the women’s rights and gay rights movements as a means to an end that is very different from actual equality. Yes, capable women are free to pursue any of their dreams; no, capable women are not in large numbers doing so, especially for the dangerous, difficult jobs men have always done. No, the woman who held the “SLOW/STOP” sign on the Interstate did not in any impactful way help build that road.

Many of my female friends are single, independent, without children, successful, and very happy. Good for them! They eschew the radical feminist culture just as I do. They don’t hate men; they in fact date men and have had rewarding relationships. Not everyone wants to be a wife and/or a mother. I support these friends of mine because they’re not really modern women, they are fully-realized, well-rounded, successful human beings. They have no agenda but their own happiness and the joy they can share with the people close to them. Admittedly, the politics of the city I live in are largely post-feminist and more conducive to rational independence.

My (straight) male friends, though, seem to be just as unlucky with and exasperated by the women they meet as the rest of you. After hearing their horror (whore?) stories for years, and upon finding this site, finally everything clicked into place for me! In my mind’s eye, I see my sister and my mother manipulating their respective (and successive) spouses and now understand WHY! I’ve shared this resource with said straight friends and they are having their own “Aha!” moments as well, and consciously deprogramming the feminist agenda that was instilled by their mothers.

Second, I am an atypical gay man. I am not an effeminate female proxy with male genitalia. I’ve been to exactly one gay pride parade in my life and was repulsed by the spectacle even at the age of 21. I, too, wish drag queens didn’t exist at all. My gay friends and partners are/have been relatively nondescript, masculine specimens—that is, not queeny, hairless twinks obsessed with shopping, gossip, fashion, etc. I’m an outlier in the “community” because of my more masculine tendencies. In fact, I’ve been actively ostracized and ridiculed by my peers for my views!

When individuals and groups of individuals hold and share the same enlightened ideals in opposition to the ideals espoused by the “majority,” they are to be summarily silenced at all costs!

When I found (discovered!) and read the book Androphilia: Rejecting the Gay Identity, Reclaiming Masculinity by Jack Donovan, I felt realigned with my true self and began in earnest to seek out like-minded gay men and consciously choose to reject the preferred “gay” culture and identity foisted upon me. As you can imagine, I was vilified by my “friends” and fellow members of my “community.” It actually ended up being a blessing because what I was left with were strong, endearing, and genuine relationships with other non-effeminate gay men and straight men!

I don’t hate anyone or any one group or type of people. All human beings, regardless of gender, race, or sexual orientation, are unique and have the ability to choose, know, and learn as they wish. Some will fight to know the truth. Some will challenge their own assumptions and those of the majority. Some will be the best examples of individuals seizing opportunities and living a successful life. I want to be one of this Elite, know the ones in this Elite, help more people join this Elite.

Last, it’s sad that even here there are female trolls disrupting the conversation. Thanks for reading my addendum!

[MGTOWhomoParticipant 111]

Anonymous wrote:

Second, I am an atypical gay man. I am not an effeminate female proxy with male genitalia. I’ve been to exactly one gay pride parade in my life and was repulsed by the spectacle even at the age of 21. I, too, wish drag queens didn’t exist at all. My gay friends and partners are/have been relatively nondescript, masculine specimens—that is, not queeny, hairless twinks obsessed with shopping, gossip, fashion, etc. I’m an outlier in the “community” because of my more masculine tendencies. In fact, I’ve been actively ostracized and ridiculed by my peers for my views! When individuals and groups of individuals hold and share the same enlightened ideals in opposition to the ideals espoused by the “majority,” they are to be summarily silenced at all costs! When I found (discovered!) and read the book Androphilia: Rejecting the Gay Identity, Reclaiming Masculinity by Jack Donovan, I felt realigned with my true self and began in earnest to seek out like-minded gay men and consciously choose to reject the preferred “gay” culture and identity foisted upon me. As you can imagine, I was vilified by my “friends” and fellow members of my “community.” It actually ended up being a blessing because what I was left with were strong, endearing, and genuine relationships with other non-effeminate gay men and straight men!

Hear hear Jamibu! That “gay culture” nauseates me for exactly the same reason. I think it articulates, to some degree, the concerns of John Doe. It’s that “gay culture” that is another manifestation of feminism.

[Anonymous 2]

Thanks for your understanding, MGTOWhomo. Yes, I agree that the feminization of gay men and the mobilization of all homosexual people (men and lesbians) as pawns, mere tools to be used and sacrificed to advance the radical feminist agenda, belies their real goal of reducing straight men to a significant minority of the total population. Marginalized groups are much more easily and effectively managed and brought to heel.

[Anonymous 11]

@Jamibu229:

Welcome to our little manly space, my Brother. You are in good company here.

[Anonymous 43]

Welcome to our sane asylum! Enjoy yourself………………

[Ned TrentParticipant 4894]

Yeah, welcome dude…

–> In another thread this time I want to have another go at reading the thoughts of …    … whom..? <–

I'd rather die a natual death with a clear MGTOW conscience somewhere off the grid than one within "modern" civilisation with a big stress mark on my forehead and a couple of dozen tubes plugged into my body. Back to the plantation..? Me..? Hey, literally: I won't ever fucking kid myself...YZERLMNTSIC

[HimeoParticipant 471]

As a straight man unfamiliar with the bond between homosexuals and female friends, I must be honest. I see women treating gay men like they treat pets. Is this accurate?

[Krab_AssParticipant 267]

Anonymous wrote:

MGTOWers don’t hate women simply because they’re women. We want women to be successful, fully realized human beings who contribute as much to society as men do! Sadly, most women don’t actually want that. What most women want is to have their cake and eat it too. They want “to be taken care of” but also repudiate the very mechanism(s) that allow that to happen. The perceived and/or real misogyny of the past has been replaced by misandry, which we’re not allowed to speak of and cannot ever have validated by the media or power brokers.

I couldn’t agree more!

OK fellas – this one is PRICELESS: so MISANDRY didn’t come up as a word in my computers correct spelling suggestion right???  That was bad enough, then, I went to my cell-phone’s app.   It wasn’t THERE either!   I guess MISANDRY doesn’t exist!!  The feminists of the world have REMOVED the so called man-hate word of misandry!!  Priceless, simply priceless.   Man…. you just can’t write this stuff!  To funny!

Oh – and welcome Jamibu.

 

"I care not what others think of what I do, but I care very much about what I think of what I do! That is character!"
~ Theodore Roosevelt

[Krab_AssParticipant 267]

John Doe wrote:

this can be a backdoor attempt to derail MGTOW.

For me – MGTOW (or MGHOW) is an attitude I have in my own mind.  It is not a ‘thing’ or a collective or a movement.  For me – it cannot be derailed or destroyed (unless I am destroyed, then I wouldn’t much care – would I?)

John Doe – I remember some of your other posts relating to the concern of this forum being gay-heavy, and also – what benefit would a gay man get from our discussions and diatribes.

I wish to turn the tables if you please (sorry men if I p~~~ some of you off by this analogy, but this is how I see it):  let’s imagine a feminist website where most of the members are bitching about their boyfriends and husbands.  These women are discussing how men are using women as a utility for money and sex, etc, etc, etc….  Now, let’s insert a few lesbians, who wish to get in on the action.  This is the point where my logical and analytical brain – goes CLICK, followed by the grinding of gears, and then completely shuts down.   It simply doesn’t compute.   But, then, I would have a hard time understanding because I have more in common with lesbians than gay men (happiness is burying my face in warm, juicy pussy).

 

"I care not what others think of what I do, but I care very much about what I think of what I do! That is character!"
~ Theodore Roosevelt

[Anonymous 2]

Himeo wrote:

As a straight man unfamiliar with the bond between homosexuals and female friends, I must be honest. I see women treating gay men like they treat pets. Is this accurate?

It’s an apt analogy, yes. The insecure woman, who has invariably alienated both real men and women from her sphere of influence, will befriend an effeminate gay man and keep him as a puppy. It’s an oddly symbiotic relationship, each feeding off the other’s worst insipid, vapid qualities.

What the woman gets is the unconditional attention, exuberance, love, and loyalty that can only truly be given by a Golden Retriever. What the poor gay boy gets in exchange is a mystery to me. As I’ve never felt the need for the companionship of such shallow people (men or women), I haven’t had f~~ hags/fruit flies or typical gay men in my life.

My circle of friends is comprised of straight men, atypical gay men like myself, and independent, intelligent, self-secure women.

For what it’s worth, my mother and sister are reprehensible women whom I haven’t spoken to or associated with in many years. My father and step-mother, though, are amazing people and I have a strong relationship with them both.

Life is complicated and people are invariably complex. I’m often surprised by whom I associate with and with whom I choose not to associate with.

[Krab_AssParticipant 267]

Okay – I have hear of ‘f~~ hag’…. but ‘fruit fly’???   S~~~ man!!  I just about spit out my drink!!   Sorry – but that s~~~ is f~~~ing hilarious.   If you have any funny description of heteros I would be happy hear them.    I have hear of ‘breeder’.

 

"I care not what others think of what I do, but I care very much about what I think of what I do! That is character!"
~ Theodore Roosevelt

[Anonymous 2]

Krab_Ass wrote:

Okay – I have hear of ‘f~~ hag’…. but ‘fruit fly’??? S~~~ man!! I just about spit out my drink!! Sorry – but that s~~~ is f~~~ing hilarious. If you have any funny description of heteros I would be happy hear them. I have hear of ‘breeder’.

LOL. Glad I could elicit a laugh from you! No, I don’t know any other humorous terms for straight people other than “breeder.” We do have a funny saying for our disinterest in hetero sex, though. After feigning revulsion, we say “If God had wanted a man and a woman to be together, He would have given them the same parts.”

It’s a joke, clearly. We use it to confuse people and shut them up, mostly, when encountering those who apparently think about gay sex even more than we do.

[Big Viking Chef BVCParticipant 1286]

Welcome Jamibu.  Here you will find a band of brothers dedicated to the idea of freedom.  You will find clarity of thought, sharing of ideas and wisdom.

I’ve said it before, and I will say it again:  This place will change you.  It changed me.

BVC

 

Swallow this RED PILL ===> Men will lay down their lives for their brothers, their women and their children. This makes Men useful as slaves. Women will lay down their lives for ONLY their children. To expect more from women is just a FANTASY created by society and reinforced by the unconditional love that we experienced from our Mothers. The key to freedom is the understanding that the woman you meet is not going to fantastically love you like your Mother did. If you buy into the fantasy, then she is your new master. If you do not buy into the fantasy, then she is nothing, and you retain your freedom.

[MGTOWhomoParticipant 111]

Anonymous wrote:

It’s an apt analogy, yes. The insecure woman, who has invariably alienated both real men and women from her sphere of influence, will befriend an effeminate gay man and keep him as a puppy. It’s an oddly symbiotic relationship, each feeding off the other’s worst insipid, vapid qualities.

Jamibu describes it exactly; this is precisely what happens. In a sicker sense, the woman gets what she wants, a pet, who can go shopping with her and dote on her, without having to have sex. (See the Fiona example above).

[harpo-my-“SON”Participant 2410]

I do get a kick reading the words of our gay-bros.  Just like unencumbered I also made noise when reading f~~-hags and fruit-flies. laughed and farted out-loud.

John Doe  before your comments in this thread, I had hashed over similar thoughts as yours, and it may have been right after the thread you spoke about. I believe it was a guy very angry at the women he worked with. That was the first of three gay men I have interacted with since I have been here. I am sure there are more who are already here. My thoughts on the matter changed when I asked myself what motive could a group of gay men have for intentionally screwing with this site. I honestly came up blank. You and I have played a bit of tug of war on  a few topics, so be assured I like you and this has nothing to do with our past debates. Just showing a way that I looked at this that put my suspicions to rest. Over 5000 men here I have met over 100 only 3 were gay. With no private messaging or other undermining features  everything is out in the open here as it should be. It looks very difficult to derail or do anything harmful, at least not without it being known.

I was bound to be misunderstood, and I laugh at those who misunderstand me. Kind mockery at the well intentioned, but unfettered cruelty towards those would be prison guards of my creative possibilities. This so as to learn as much from misunderstanding as from understanding. Taking pleasure in worthy opponents and making language fluid and flowing like a river yet pointed and precise as a dagger. Contradicts the socialistic purpose of language and makes for a wonderful linguistic dance, A verbal martial art with constant parries that hone the weapon that is the two edged sword of my mouth.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

@johndoe It’s understandable where one might think wonder why there would be any homosexual MGTOW, but MGTOWhomo actually wrote to us in advance and asked what the general stance on this is. I thought it was very cool of him to reach out in advance before joining to feel it out…… and we are clear in explaining to him navigating the current social and legal climate is VASTLY different for straight men.

The same threats just don’t exist.

As long as he understood there might be a “barrier”(?) to fully understanding that – and he is aware of the differences – then cool.

I’ve previously been in a line of work where I worked very closely some with homosexual men on daily basis, and I don’t mind saying I TOTALLY get his stance on “f~~s” (for lack of a more colorful term – no offense to anyone please). They can be downright VICIOUS (as catty, unfeeling , hurtful and snide as women are) …and completely empathize with his wanting to get as far as f~~~ing possible away from that. There’s a kind of cruel and almost hateful competition there too.

I understand what would bring him here so there’s no reason to be “suspicious”, but I also fully understand why you would question the recent influx of a handful who would consider MGTOW a “calling” for themselves as well.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[John DoeParticipant 743]

harpo-my-“SON” wrote:

Over 5000 men here I have met over 100 only 3 were gay. With no private messaging or other undermining features everything is out in the open here as it should be. It looks very difficult to derail or do anything harmful, at least not without it being known.

True. 

Krab_Ass wrote:

I wish to turn the tables if you please (sorry men if I p~~~ some of you off by this analogy, but this is how I see it): let’s imagine a feminist website where most of the members are bitching about their boyfriends and husbands. These women are discussing how men are using women as a utility for money and sex, etc, etc, etc…. Now, let’s insert a few lesbians, who wish to get in on the action. This is the point where my logical and analytical brain – goes CLICK, followed by the grinding of gears, and then completely shuts down. It simply doesn’t compute.

Good analogy.  That is where I am stuck.

Part of my concerns lie in the fact that this is a very rare place to discuss the issues with the average straight man today.   Regardless of my disagreements or criticisms of others I do not wish to see this place to cave in on itself.  That being said, I do not dislike gay people either.  Which I hopefully conveyed clearly.  I just cannot wrap my head around why they are here.   The subject of marriage and kids is a lot more serious than bickering at work.

With that being said, Keymaster is in charge.  Its not my problem.

So Welcome Jamibu.  If I offended you I apologize.  Questions have to be asked though, regardless of one’s feelings.

[Smitty the Great OneParticipant 1535]

I think the homosexual guys here have it a damn sight easier than the straight mgtows. For them it’s no biggie to walk away from women, they have nothing they want. For straight men to walk away, especially the younger ones…. in direct opposition to their biological imperative to f~~~ as many women as possible. That’s some next level self-discipline that is hard to imagine. For a homosexual man, there is no desire for female company… I must say I’m jealous. I miss a nice cuddly chick, especially the ones that can cook. Dear God I hate my own cooking.

 

Anyhow, I’m glad we have our homosexual brethren amongst us, it’s a whole different perspective. I have a sister, she’s a f~~ hag, and given to every new age, hokey s~~~ that has ever been peddle by anyone, anywhere. She’s also about 300 lbs if she’s an once… the shadow of the crack of her ass weighs twenty pounds by itself. Once she tried to “set me” up… with a guy, I punched her in the mouth for it. She is also a “Feminist”, and a leftist. So has you can imagine, we haven’t talked in years, and I hope we don’t for a good long time.

 

Life is too long to play by someone elses rules....

[WarratahParticipant 895]

From what I can see, in the straight MGTOW community there are two groups – the fellas who’ve had their eyes opened at a very early age and made the conscious decision to not ever get f~~~ed over and then there are what seems to be the majority – former bluepillers who have been severely f~~~ed over and survived to tell the tale.
As someone from the latter grouping I do sometimes find it hard to empathise with fellas who haven’t been through the same s~~~storm. But because they haven’t experienced what I have, doesn’t make them less worthy or mean that they should be excluded from being a part of MGTOW. Same goes for the homosexual fellas. They might not have experienced the whole bluepill nightmare in the way that the majority of us did but if they are on the same path, then welcome!

...And in our own despair, against our will, Comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God. - Agamemnon; by Aeschylus

[Anonymous 2]

I for one welcome our new gay overlord! The cool gay men I know don’t emulate a female frame of mind. I consider homosexuality as something nature intended, for sucks sake… half the animal kingdom is gay. If we men didnt ostracise homosexuals we would not have driven a number of them towards a feminist agenda. I’m from a country that was among the first to legalize gay marriage, and I happen to work for a gay dude. We have zero women in our office, and it’s mostly thanks to him. I suspect he’s a dormant MGTOW as well.

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