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Anonymous1The other day at work, I had this strange feeling in my left arm and a bit of pain in the left side of my neck up into my jaw
I had a similar thing happen to me a few years back – I was only 25 at the time. Sitting at my desk, Monday morning and suddenly felt a wave of pain eminating up from my back and arm, through to my bottom jaw. The pain continued in waves.
I was absolutely convinced I was some unlucky bastard that was about to die from a heart attack in his mid twenties – probably an underlying genetic condition.
I left the office, reluctant to call an ambulance and make a huge scene.
I walked to my GP’s with the pain ongoing and informed the receptionist that I think I’m having a heart attack. Given my age, and fitness, my doctor didn’t appear to take me particularly seriously, but I was a smoker at the time and he said that did increase the risk factor.
They ran tests and everything came back normal, so it was put down to a panic attack.
Even though I did believe death was imminent, I still had a level of calmness that surprised myself.
I don’t like the idea of dying but I will accept death when it comes for me.
My doc also told me that as my doctor, it’s his duty to inform me that smoking is bad for my health.
The other day at work, I had this strange feeling in my left arm and a bit of pain in the left side of my neck up into my jaw
I had a similar thing happen to me a few years back – I was only 25 at the time. Sitting at my desk, Monday morning and suddenly felt a wave of pain eminating up from my back and arm, through to my bottom jaw. The pain continued in waves.
I was absolutely convinced I was some unlucky bastard that was about to die from a heart attack in his mid twenties – probably an underlying genetic condition.
I left the office, reluctant to call an ambulance and make a huge scene.
I walked to my GP’s with the pain ongoing and informed the receptionist that I think I’m having a heart attack. Given my age, and fitness, my doctor didn’t appear to take me particularly seriously, but I was a smoker at the time and he said that did increase the risk factor.
They ran tests and everything came back normal, so it was put down to a panic attack.
Even though I did believe death was imminent, I still had a level of calmness that surprised myself.
I don’t like the idea of dying but I will accept death when it comes for me.
My doc also told me that as my doctor, it’s his duty to inform me that smoking is bad for my health.
A panic attack? Were you panicking about something at the time? I didn’t start to panic until the pain started shooting up my arm and into my neck and jaw.
I’ve had this happen on a few other occasions. I read something a long time ago that said if you think you’re having a heart attack to start coughing. ???? The article said this could somehow stop or at least slow the heart attack. Sounds like nonsense, but every time this happens I cough. So there I am thinking I’m gonna’ die and coughing like an idiot.
I’m thinking it’s a warning sign and that I’ve had several mini heart attacks or near strokes. Strange that it always happens when I’m sitting at my desk at work and never at home. Most people might think it’d be a good idea to go to a doctor, but what happens then? I have to endure tests and a bunch of bulls~~~ and then they find a blockage and then I have to have surgery. F~~~ all that. Just let me die. If it’s my time, it’s my time. Again, I don’t want to die right now, but I sure don’t want to go through at that s~~~ if it’s what it takes to keep me alive.
The evil in women’s hearts leaves them no moral bounds as to inhibit them from descending to the lowest levels of darkness to acquire their self entitled desires.
Anonymous1A panic attack? Were you panicking about something at the time? I didn’t start to panic until the pain started shooting up my arm and into my neck and jaw
A panic attack is a condition in itself and mimics the symptoms of a heart attack – it’s common during a panic attack for People to think they’re having a heart attack.
It doesn’t really have a lot to do with panicking because I didn’t panic at all.
Most people might think it’d be a good idea to go to a doctor, but what happens then? I have to endure tests and a bunch of bulls~~~ and then they find a blockage and then I have to have surgery. F~~~ all that. Just let me die
Agreed, but I was 25 and I think you’d agree someone of that age is a little less accepting of death.
I’m 34 now, and so I hope it’s a way off yet.
In my heart of hearts, I do know it’s a heart attack that will be the end of me. Excuse the pun.
Anonymous1but what happens then? I have to endure tests and a bunch of bulls~~~ and then they find a blockage and then I have to have surgery
I have to say – in my lifetime I have no intention of undergoing triple by bypasses or any type of open heart surgery.
If nature intended me to go at that time then let me go.
I don’t want months of pain and recovery only to have another one a bit further down the line.
F~~~ that.
A panic attack? Were you panicking about something at the time? I didn’t start to panic until the pain started shooting up my arm and into my neck and jaw
A panic attack is a condition in itself and mimics the symptoms of a heart attack – it’s common during a panic attack for People to think they’re having a heart attack.
It doesn’t really have a lot to do with panicking because I didn’t panic at all.
Most people might think it’d be a good idea to go to a doctor, but what happens then? I have to endure tests and a bunch of bulls~~~ and then they find a blockage and then I have to have surgery. F~~~ all that. Just let me die
Agreed, but I was 25 and I think you’d agree someone of that age is a little less accepting of death.
I’m 34 now, and so I hope it’s a way off yet.
In my heart of hearts, I do know it’s a heart attack that will be the end of me. Excuse the pun.
Well hell yeah, at 25 I’d have done anything to stay alive. Now that it’s 25 years later though, who gives a s~~~? LOL
but what happens then? I have to endure tests and a bunch of bulls~~~ and then they find a blockage and then I have to have surgery
I have to say – in my lifetime I have no intention of undergoing triple by bypasses or any type of open heart surgery.
If nature intended me to go at that time then let me go.
I don’t want months of pain and recovery only to have another one a bit further down the line.
F~~~ that.
Glad to see I’m not the only one to see the futility in lengthening a life that will probably just be miserable.
The evil in women’s hearts leaves them no moral bounds as to inhibit them from descending to the lowest levels of darkness to acquire their self entitled desires.
I don’t concern myself with other beliefs and other gods. In my mind, there is only one God. He has always been and He will always be. He is eternal. He is the beginning and the end. He is beyond time and space. He is above all other gods. I have earnestly sought God and prayed to Him and my experiences confirm my faith.
I genuinely appreciate the answer. But do you not see that the believers in the other gods say the exact same thing about their own god(s)? Knowing this, I just don’t understand how the Theist can rationalize their belief in just one particular god.
I will share one experience with you, if you care to know it. Years back, I had an incurable disease, called Rheumatoid Arthritis. The doctors and everyone I spoke to and everything I read about said there was no cure. It caused excruciating pain and could potentially destroy the joints in my body. I had a fellow believer pray for me. I’ve had preachers and others pray for me before, but nothing ever changed. This one guy had prayed for me many years before and pain immediately left my body. After this guy prayed for me, the incurable disease was gone. It’s been several years since then and there has been no more pain. It’s just gone. My belief is that God healed me. What else could it be? That guy had no magic power. He was just a strong believer and God worked through him.
But I can make the same identical claim and apply it to any other god I like or even the Easter Bunny if that was my belief. It’s no substantiation or justification at all. Do you really not see this???
I don’t concern myself with other beliefs and other gods. In my mind, there is only one God. He has always been and He will always be. He is eternal. He is the beginning and the end. He is beyond time and space. He is above all other gods. I have earnestly sought God and prayed to Him and my experiences confirm my faith.
I genuinely appreciate the answer. But do you not see that the believers in the other gods say the exact same thing about their own god(s)? Knowing this, I just don’t understand how the Theist can rationalize their belief in just one particular god.
Yes, that’s why I stated in my other post that maybe we are all believing in the same God.
I will share one experience with you, if you care to know it. Years back, I had an incurable disease, called Rheumatoid Arthritis. The doctors and everyone I spoke to and everything I read about said there was no cure. It caused excruciating pain and could potentially destroy the joints in my body. I had a fellow believer pray for me. I’ve had preachers and others pray for me before, but nothing ever changed. This one guy had prayed for me many years before and pain immediately left my body. After this guy prayed for me, the incurable disease was gone. It’s been several years since then and there has been no more pain. It’s just gone. My belief is that God healed me. What else could it be? That guy had no magic power. He was just a strong believer and God worked through him.
But I can make the same identical claim and apply it to any other god I like or even the Easter Bunny if that was my belief. It’s no substantiation or justification at all. Do you really not see this???
Ha, come on man. You really think the Easter Bunny can heal someone of an incurable disease? Laying the chocolate eggs is pretty amazing, but he’s no god. No, I really do not see this. I know what I felt and I believe it was a miracle healing.
I’m not trying to convince you or convert you. I’m trying as best I can to answer your questions, my friend. I’m sorry if I’m not able to give you better answers. I can only tell you what I know and what I believe.
The evil in women’s hearts leaves them no moral bounds as to inhibit them from descending to the lowest levels of darkness to acquire their self entitled desires.
I don’t concern myself with other beliefs and other gods. In my mind, there is only one God. He has always been and He will always be. He is eternal. He is the beginning and the end. He is beyond time and space. He is above all other gods. I have earnestly sought God and prayed to Him and my experiences confirm my faith.
I genuinely appreciate the answer. But do you not see that the believers in the other gods say the exact same thing about their own god(s)? Knowing this, I just don’t understand how the Theist can rationalize their belief in just one particular god.
I hate it when it won’t let you edit your post. Anyway, in answer to this question, yes, that’s why I stated in my other post that maybe we are all believing in the same God.
The evil in women’s hearts leaves them no moral bounds as to inhibit them from descending to the lowest levels of darkness to acquire their self entitled desires.
That’s a fair question, but I don’t know that I could explain it so that someone who doesn’t believe could understand it, at least not without sounding preachy. I’ll just say that I’ve done what my belief says you’re supposed to do to go to Heaven.
That makes sense. Assuming of course that you have the one true faith (or variant of) and that you believe in the one true god. If I were still a believer, that would be one thing that would bother me. I just couldn’t be that confident…
I actually edited my post after you quoted it. I didn’t like what I said about “what my belief says you’re supposed to do”. It sounded too religious and it wasn’t accurate. I changed it to say, “…..what I BELIEVE I’M supposed to do……”. My point for changing this is, I don’t believe the way I do, or live my life according to what any man says I should do. I don’t live a perfect life, but I do what I believe God wants me to do, not some organized religion. That’s why I’m not worried about any “one true faith” as you put it.
No matter which religion it is, all of them are just religious nonsense. I’ve separated myself from religions. For me, it isn’t about which one is right. It’s just me and God. There is nothing else I need to concern myself with. That’s why I don’t need confidence. It’s just what I believe.
You want to be with me don’t you….on a cloud reciting poems, with Gabriel playing the harp.
No Colin, I don’t want to go to Hell. LOL
You will be if you don’t stop getting your microscopic platypus sucked.
I’m not trying to convince you or convert you. I’m trying as best I can to answer your questions, my friend. I’m sorry if I’m not able to give you better answers. I can only tell you what I know and what I believe.
I appreciate you taking the time to answer me. I’m just trying to figure out what makes the Theist ‘tick’. I don’t understand why people believe in stuff without logical or rational reason. I’m trying to wrap my head around it…
This might help illustrate what I’m talking about…
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Ha! I already knew what you were talking about before watching the video and I don’t believe God answers prayers in the way that “Christianity.com” does. I have other experiences that had nothing to do with prayer that have strengthened my faith that I could share with you, but I won’t waste your time or mine with those.
The evil in women’s hearts leaves them no moral bounds as to inhibit them from descending to the lowest levels of darkness to acquire their self entitled desires.
That’s a fair question, but I don’t know that I could explain it so that someone who doesn’t believe could understand it, at least not without sounding preachy. I’ll just say that I’ve done what my belief says you’re supposed to do to go to Heaven.
That makes sense. Assuming of course that you have the one true faith (or variant of) and that you believe in the one true god. If I were still a believer, that would be one thing that would bother me. I just couldn’t be that confident…
I actually edited my post after you quoted it. I didn’t like what I said about “what my belief says you’re supposed to do”. It sounded too religious and it wasn’t accurate. I changed it to say, “…..what I BELIEVE I’M supposed to do……”. My point for changing this is, I don’t believe the way I do, or live my life according to what any man says I should do. I don’t live a perfect life, but I do what I believe God wants me to do, not some organized religion. That’s why I’m not worried about any “one true faith” as you put it.
No matter which religion it is, all of them are just religious nonsense. I’ve separated myself from religions. For me, it isn’t about which one is right. It’s just me and God. There is nothing else I need to concern myself with. That’s why I don’t need confidence. It’s just what I believe.
You want to be with me don’t you….on a cloud reciting poems, with Gabriel playing the harp.
No Colin, I don’t want to go to Hell. LOL
You will be if you don’t stop getting your microscopic platypus sucked.
That’s no sin and what makes you think it’s microscopic, you bastard? HA!
The evil in women’s hearts leaves them no moral bounds as to inhibit them from descending to the lowest levels of darkness to acquire their self entitled desires.
Ha, come on man. You really think the Easter Bunny can heal someone of an incurable disease? Laying the chocolate eggs is pretty amazing, but he’s no god. No, I really do not see this. I know what I felt and I believe it was a miracle healing.
I hate it when it won’t let you edit your post. Anyway, in answer to this question, yes, that’s why I stated in my other post that maybe we are all believing in the same God.
If I understand you correctly, you’re saying that there is just only one god but people are interpreting him differently and calling him different names. If this is indeed the case, it would then justify and validate my belief in my ‘Easter Bunny’ god…
I’m not trying to convince you or convert you. I’m trying as best I can to answer your questions, my friend. I’m sorry if I’m not able to give you better answers. I can only tell you what I know and what I believe.
I appreciate you taking the time to answer me. I’m just trying to figure out what makes the Theist ‘tick’. I don’t understand why people believe in stuff without logical or rational reason. I’m trying to wrap my head around it…
Ha, logic? To me it’s completely illogical to not believe in God. For me, there’s no logic at all in thinking that this world exists without God having created it.
If you were able, or if you were really willing to understand, then I believe you would be able to wrap your head around it. I don’t know you, so this is just an assumption, but I think you don’t want to believe. That’s your choice, a choice given to you by God. LOL Again, I’m not passing judgment. I have no idea what your life has been like or why you think the way you do.
I’m just glad we’ve been able to have this discussion as adults and not like bickering children who easily get offended and angered. Reading your questions and trying to answer them has been good for me. It’s made me think and it’s been interesting. Thank you, Autolite, for having this discussion with me. Again, sorry if I’ve not given you good enough answers, but I hope at least, that it’s been somewhat interesting for you.
The evil in women’s hearts leaves them no moral bounds as to inhibit them from descending to the lowest levels of darkness to acquire their self entitled desires.
Ha, come on man. You really think the Easter Bunny can heal someone of an incurable disease? Laying the chocolate eggs is pretty amazing, but he’s no god. No, I really do not see this. I know what I felt and I believe it was a miracle healing.
I hate it when it won’t let you edit your post. Anyway, in answer to this question, yes, that’s why I stated in my other post that maybe we are all believing in the same God.
If I understand you correctly, you’re saying that there is just only one god but people are interpreting him differently and calling him different names. If this is indeed the case, it would then justify and validate my belief in my ‘Easter Bunny’ god…
Oh my, that is disappointing and I don’t think I completely understand that.
This may be a poor analogy, but a thousand different people could look at a painting and see a thousand different things. Of course people are going to see God differently. Many of them interpret the Bible to suit there own needs instead of trying to find the truth in the Word of God.
Maybe some people would be satisfied with a faith healing Easter bunny god, but I believe God Himself healed me.
The evil in women’s hearts leaves them no moral bounds as to inhibit them from descending to the lowest levels of darkness to acquire their self entitled desires.
Anonymous1I’m just glad we’ve been able to have this discussion as adults and not like bickering children who easily get offended and angered. Reading your questions and trying to answer them has been good for me
Good to see some bro’s have a gentleman’s debate and actually listen to each others points.
Most topics over 3 pages long, revert to a total s~~~ show, flinging dung at each other.
Thanks for being cool on my topic too.
Class.
I think you don’t want to believe. That’s your choice, a choice given to you by God.
This is an easy point for me to address. To be honest, I can’t believe in a god. My brain will just no longer allow it. It’s not a choice for me at all.
Do you yourself choose not believe in Santa Claus or the Tooth Fairy? Does the way your mind work give you the option to believe or disbelieve in the Easter Bunny?
Atheism is just the rational acknowledgment of reality…
I’m just glad we’ve been able to have this discussion as adults and not like bickering children who easily get offended and angered. Reading your questions and trying to answer them has been good for me
Good to see some bro’s have a gentleman’s debate and actually listen to each others points.
Most topics over 3 pages long, revert to a total s~~~ show, flinging dung at each other.
Thanks for being cool on my topic too.
Class.
I’m very pleased as well to find actual men here who can have a calm mature discussion, especially when I’ve seen so many s~~~ shows as you mentioned. Too many times I’ve seen the childish name calling and nonsense between supposed “men” who have differing opinions. Zarathustra is also a member who is an Atheist and he and I were able to have a mature discussion on spiritual beliefs sometime back.
I will rarely engage someone who lacks emotional control. I prefer to discuss, not argue. I doubt that Autolite and I will ever see eye to eye on the subject of spiritual beliefs and that’s fine. Doesn’t mean we can’t be civil acquaintances. Any “arguing” or name calling I do is in fun, like when I s~~~ around with crazy Colin and his homo-erotic poetry. I’m pretty sure he knows I’m just giving him s~~~.
The evil in women’s hearts leaves them no moral bounds as to inhibit them from descending to the lowest levels of darkness to acquire their self entitled desires.
Thank you, Autolite, for having this discussion with me. Again, sorry if I’ve not given you good enough answers, but I hope at least, that it’s been somewhat interesting for you.
And thank you for answering me and not taking offense.
For me as an Atheist, it’s hard being honest without offending somebody. The Theist will often think that I’m deliberately trying to be rude and disrespectful when I compare belief in a god to belief in Leprechauns or other such imaginary critters.
I’m not intentionally trying to offend. I just try to explain it as I honestly and sincerely see it…
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