Christian/Religious MGTOW is it possible?!

[WolfgarParticipant 21]

Terminal you wrote “What part of Men Going Their Own Way don’t you understand? I’ll give you a hint, it’s so far in the opposite direction of what you said that I’m glad to tell you, you don’t belong here.”

Are you saying then that MGTOW is strictly for atheists?  Because that is about as opposite to Christianity as you can get.

M.G.T.O.W – Men Going Their Own Way is a statement of self-ownership, where the modern man preserves and protects his own sovereignty above all else. It is the manifestation of one word: “No”. Ejecting silly preconceptions and cultural definitions of what a “man” is. Looking to no one else for social cues. Refusing to bow, serve and kneel for the opportunity to be treated like a disposable utility. And, living according to his own best interests in a world which would rather he didn’t.
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Let me break this down.

“Men Going Their Own Way is a statement of self-ownership, where the modern man preserves and protects his own sovereignty above all else.”
The constitution set up a system where there was no sovereign over the people.  The people themselves were sovereign.  I would like very much for this government to get back to it’s roots in the constitution.

“It is the manifestation of one word: “No”. Ejecting silly preconceptions and cultural definitions of what a “man” is. Looking to no one else for social cues.”
I think I have already demonstrated that I say it like I see it.  I’m not looking for your approval or John Doe’s approval or any one else’s approval.  And “the cultural definition of what a “man” is” is now almost completely feministic which I reject.

“Refusing to bow, serve and kneel for the opportunity to be treated like a disposable utility.”
As stated before I reject feminism so therefore I will not succumb to the power of the pussy.

“And, living according to his own best interests in a world which would rather he didn’t.”
This describes a Christian.  The god of this world is Satan.  Satan would have us follow him to destruction than to follow God to salvation which means the world would rather we didn’t live according to our best interests.  So our best interests are found in the Bible.

I have to conclude that MGTOW is more for Christians than you want to admit.

Here are some other thoughts on the issue of feminism from a Christian point of view.

The concept of marriage was instituted by God.
(Gen 2:24)  Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

The husband is the head of the household so the wife will be subject to him.  That does not give license to the husband to treat the wife poorly.
(Eph 5:23)  For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
(Eph 5:24)  Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
(Eph 5:25)  Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

Feminism seeks to destroy the marriage relationship.  The most prominent way that I see how it does this is by inverting the marriage relationship, putting the wife at the head.  And let us not forget the recent twitter hashtag of “#killallmen”.

Feminist hatemongers on Twitter push campaign to kill all men
http://www.examiner.com/article/feminist-hatemongers-on-twitter-push-campaign-to-kill-all-men

Since feminism seeks to destroy that which is instituted by God (a relationship that is very precious to God) it has to be considered anti-Biblical which is against God.  In other words it is satanic from it’s core to all of it’s tendrils in society.

This satanic movement is one of the big reasons why a lot women act the way they do in this day and age.  Which is one of the reasons for the creation of the MGTOW.com website.

To me, MGTOW seems very compatible with Christianity.

[harpo-my-“SON”Participant 2410]

I told a very true story about where the parents of my helper gained their belief in a higher power….And intentionally told it in such a way that it would seam to reveal my own beliefs without actually doing so.Just to prove a point to myself and others about the tendency for those with no beliefs to attack those that do have religious beliefs…which still begs the question smitty asked…Can you be an athiest without being an asshole?

Terminal wrote: Only in reference to religious views, is there an immunity blanket and taboo against exposing poor judgment.

Poor judgement is attacking to quickly someone who’s tactics your unfamiliar with…And who’s views on the subject your ignorant of…I claim no immunity….. but read my post carefully and respond with caution because it may be your making assumptions….

 

I was bound to be misunderstood, and I laugh at those who misunderstand me. Kind mockery at the well intentioned, but unfettered cruelty towards those would be prison guards of my creative possibilities. This so as to learn as much from misunderstanding as from understanding. Taking pleasure in worthy opponents and making language fluid and flowing like a river yet pointed and precise as a dagger. Contradicts the socialistic purpose of language and makes for a wonderful linguistic dance, A verbal martial art with constant parries that hone the weapon that is the two edged sword of my mouth.

[Anonymous 43]

@wolfgar, I couldn’t say it better myself…..You vacuumed my lungs out, thanks!

The vacuum of space is everywhere, including the spaces between the atoms, we can see what happens when we force these spaces shut, atomic detonation.

There’s enough nuclear energy in one mountain to completely and thoroughly obliterate this planet and it’s moon to kingdom come…Yet all the electrons, neutrons, and protons should be repelling each other according to the BIG BANG theory, and +- electrons that magically repel and attract each other to makeup the essence of life. That’s the awesome power of God holding all things together with a nuclear might over all atoms…. If God let go his hold over all things, it would make the big bang look like a wet firecracker.

[John DoeParticipant 743]

Terminal Meme wrote:

In reply to John Doe, don’t bother addressing me. I’m done reading your bulls~~~ which is always written poorly and is incomprehensible.

Rainman,  I posted simple contradictions to:

– the “illusion of free will” and how it is impossible for there to be an “illusion” without free will

– evolution and its flaws and scientific evidence regarding its failures

– the misinterpretation of your MRI “evidence” and free will

– how evolution is a flawed and inefficient system (using your own standards)

-your misuse and misunderstanding of the history of science and the church

– the failures of objectivism

-how a lot of your scientific “truths” are actually either theories or assumptions.

Terminal Meme wrote:

It should be noted, especially for John Doe’s sake, that everything I’ve just written is backed by mountains of indisputable evidence.

What like your “MRI study”, that showed choice is separate from emotion although it influence it?  Then you go on to say free will is a feeling?  When the evidence points that is separate.

Or the “evidence” you gave for evolution?  Then I gave evidence that pointed to its contradictions and somehow that is ignored.

Or the “evidence” you gave for the “persecution” of scientists because of religion?  Then I pointed out it was either exaggerated or in some cases non existent.

And then you say the big bang theory is back up by indisputable evidence.  Well, if that was true then it would be a law or fact, not a theory.

Terminal Meme wrote:

In a nut shell, the Big Bang created spacetime itself, approximately 13.8 billion years ago. This is where all matter and energy came from.

This violates the law of thermodynamics. You should have know this, with all the “reading” you do.

Here are some othercriticisms:  http://science.howstuffworks.com/dictionary/astronomy-terms/big-bang-theory7.htm

The simple truth is that the great majority of everything you posted either does not hold up to its own reasoning or is a theory
you are promoting as fact.  A great majority of your posts contradict themselves, as I pointed out, or are based on
unproven assumptions.  You are under the assumption that all truth is complex, however I am using the arguments of a
“5th grader” to prove them wrong.  Then you call everyone else stupid?  When I already pointed out the contradictions.

Then you revert to everything be either misinterpretted or an illusion, but both of those require a choice in some regards.
If I am a product of the universe, and have no free will, then obviously I have no choice as to what to believe or
what to choose to observe.  In that regards, I cannot be decieved because to decieve implies a choice is present.  If the universe,
according to your standards, determines how I see things and what I see is wrong then the universe is wrong.

You have no argument.  You never did.  You are just an irrational man of faith like everyone else.  You do not even
have the b~~~~ to retort any of my criticisms because I am a “nobody.”  Which is true, I am a nobody, which is why
I should be a breeze to prove wrong.  But you won’t because you can’t.  Because my criticism’s are correct. Your “education” amounts to nothing more than cheap sophistry and obscure science that a child could prove wrong. All you can do is quote some scientists, then imply because they are scientists they are correct.  However, just as many scientists disagree with the ones you quote.

Terminal Meme wrote:

In reply to John Doe, don’t bother addressing me. I’m done reading your bulls~~~ which is always written poorly and is incomprehensible. What I am able to gather from you “smacking your keyboard with your monkey fingers” is always a gross misrepresentation of what I’ve said. You’re about as dumb as they come, sorry sir, but I’m ashamed you are one of our ranks.

All you can do is insult people, because that is all you can do….Rainman. You cannot even point out where my criticism are wrong.
When you even quote people, you barely understand what you are quoting.  You have to throw in a book or title to prove your “superiority”, when in reality I can pull up a large number of authors, books, and websites that can say the exact opposite.  There is nothing impressive about it.
We are in the age of information, there is no question I cannot pull up and answer to in 2 minutes or less.

And that doesn’t make us enemies.  I am just saying everything you said either contradicts itself, is missinterpretted,
based on theory and/or assumptions, and does not hold up to your own standard of scrutiny.

Face it, you do not know what you are talking about, you just mumble a lot. 

 

[Terminal MemeParticipant 57]

If MGTOW men are declaring themselves sovereign, bowing to no one, taking orders from no one………how again is that compatible with Christianity, whose primary requirement is for you to accept Jesus as your lord and savior, follow “his” way? I guess being a slave and prisoner to an imaginary figure doesn’t count? But the Holy Trinity is real to Crustians isn’t it? Most ass backwards men I’ve seen. Any excuse to retain a delusion. HarpoMason, you dont have to come out and say what exactly your religion is, its plain in your post with your Masonic bulls~~~ cult affiliation and communion loving defense of faith. “higher power” “divine intervention” You’re worse than Pascal in Pastels and John Doe combined when it comes to dogmatic slavery.

You guys can all carry on believing this f~~~ing bulls~~~, claiming to MGTOW, sucking the churches dick, endorsing tolerance of faith like liberal lesbians and Obama lovers. Whatever. You 3 Jesus freaks don’t speak for the majority of MGTOW and are on your own little fantasy island where. I won’t be caring as I go my way, but I will be laughing at you with other real MGTOW. We’ll be laughing at your expense because you’re just like the simp blue pillers who are married yet claim to be MGTOW.

You’re all just like the guys who still spend countless hours playing games with women, campaigning for pussy except, instead of pussy, you campaign for excuses and justifications to remain IMPRISONED to a bronze age, anthropomorphic myth. PATHETIC!

F~~~ your beliefs and vain faith. If I could I’d revoke your MGTOW cards and cut them up with scissors. I’d excommunicate you for being posers. Good bye suckers. 

I’ve read several different people while being on MGTOW.com  and it’s becoming more and more obvious that this place is full of Christians. 🙁 Unsurprising considering politics. As usual, I’m done when I find out either a place is full of misandric whores in love with feminism, or its filled profusely with equally deluded monotheists. Both of the groups are ridiculous, uneducated, indoctrinated and undesirable for an intellectual male. 

[Terminal MemeParticipant 57]

You can’t go your own way and gods way at the same time. Either lose the faith or lose the title MGTOW.

MGTOW, by philosophy alone, excludes religious belief. Conservative = Good,  Faithful = Sucker

[John DoeParticipant 743]

Do you feel better getting that out of your system?  I hope so, because so far you got the record for the most swearing and cussing (not including trolls).

With that being said.

At least men of faith acknowledge they have a choice to believe what we want.

Your explanation of the universe does not permit free will due to it being subject to the laws of physics.  So technically you can’t choose to be MGTOW because personal sovereignty requires the ability to choose.  You claim “religion” is bad.  But your universe created it, remember?  So now the universe is wrong and inefficient?  Well, then you would have to criticize the universe.  However, if you did so, since you have no free will  you would doing what the universe decided you should do.  In effect, the universe is criticizing itself and saying that it is wrong.

You do understand that you make no sense, right?  You want to make this personal, and I have just as much fun as you do in making in personal, however with that put aside your logic and theories don’t make sense.

The only thing we pointed out were the contradictions in your beliefs and that they require theories and assumptions to work.    You are a man of faith.  That is it.

You came on this thread to discuss it.  If you don’t like the discussion, then just leave the thread.  It is a thread.  That is it.  You do not have to be here.  Let me repeat that.  No one is forcing you here.  IYou came on your own accord to swear at us and insult us.  Then claim your are the only rational one.  You are very confusing Rainman.

In regards to “tearing up our MGTOW cards” apparently the universe, according to your explanation, says you are wrong and we are to “keep” them.  But you can’t blame us, we are just bi products of particles.  No free will, remember?  Why be upset?…Unless the universe wants you to be that way.

If you want to continue the discussion then may I suggest we separate the personal attacks from the actual philosophical argument.  It is easier to respond when they are less mixed up.  That and you need work on your insults and hate speech.  You are alright at it.  But there is more room for improvement.  Personally I like to point out hypocrisy by using a little wit.  But that is just me.  Swearing anyone can do.  It gets boring after awhile.  If you want to insult and degrade us …….fine that is cool with me.  Just put a little more effort into it.  That is all.  I feel your emotions get the best of your wits.   And your not reaching your true potential because of this.  This is very disappointing.

So why don’t you take a day off.  Work on your cursing and swearing and come back when it is improved.  You’ll look smarter and everyone will be entertained.  Its a win/win for everyone.  Remember, the universe is telling you to do this.  You don’t have a choice.

 

[kbbroilerParticipant 886]

Ummm it depends I guess on your views on christianity. Do you try an impose your views on others? This is my take. I’m MGTOW but I wouldn’t say to someone who is married the unmarried life is better so you should get a divorce. That would be imposing my will on others. I will talk to unmarried guys to tell them they have options but again I wouldn’t say this is the right  way or wrong way. I would say it’s made me happier and let them make up their own mind. Religion is a touchy subject. I’m from a Christian background when my parents forced me to go to church and Sunday school. So I’ve seen the other side of Christianity. I’ve seen the hypocrisy  and imposing their will on others. To me organized religion is in a world of hurt because people are walking away from it in droves. Now for me do I believe in god? I believe in a spirit or force that holds the universe together. I don’t believe in a heaven or hell aspect of Christianity. I think a MGTOW could be a Christian as long as they don’t impose their beliefs on others to say, “this is the right way.” That’s my take.

[harpo-my-“SON”Participant 2410]

Terminal wrote: HarpoMason, you dont have to come out and say what exactly your religion is, its plain in your post with your Masonic bulls~~~ cult affiliation and communion loving defense of faith. “higher power” “divine intervention”

Again nothing but assuming to know anything about my beliefs..I only defend  everyone’s rights to have beliefs without being ridiculed..nothing more…proving only your imagined intellectual superiority and arrogance once again.. I could claim any belief I want even none at all, and you could find no contradictory statements in this thread. I already explained that the story I told was bait….It was told for no other particular reason than to catch a smug condescending ass-clown….Not my fault you took the bait…I Have mega faith in the fact that I have free will to change my faith if I so choose, and no matter my beliefs they have no effect on anyone else but me and assclowns……

I can only think of one way me expressing my religious beliefs could possibly have any effect on you.

 It makes you feel warranted to attack people ….  your beliefs or lack of do not effect me…so how do mine effect you?

the entire reason for my story was to prove smitty to be correct….Every time you attack me is more proof…

Smitty asked a better Question when he wrote this:

I have a question….

Is it possible to be an atheist without being a smug, condescending, assclown? Personally I believe in God, whether anybody else does or doesn’t is none of my business. The SINGLE defining characteristic of the vast majority of atheists I’ve come across, hubris. They aren’t happy it seems just not believing in God, they MUST ridicule those that do. They preen and strut, and wax philosophically about their imagined intellectual superiority. They also claim to be “oppressed” by those practicing a religion. They make obviously false statements like: MOST wars are caused by religion. My favorite is their claim that there is no moral objectivity, but that they are right and I am wrong.

I am sure you can be an atheist and mgtow, but can you be an atheist without being an asshole…

 

I was bound to be misunderstood, and I laugh at those who misunderstand me. Kind mockery at the well intentioned, but unfettered cruelty towards those would be prison guards of my creative possibilities. This so as to learn as much from misunderstanding as from understanding. Taking pleasure in worthy opponents and making language fluid and flowing like a river yet pointed and precise as a dagger. Contradicts the socialistic purpose of language and makes for a wonderful linguistic dance, A verbal martial art with constant parries that hone the weapon that is the two edged sword of my mouth.

I have a question….

Is it possible to be an atheist without being a smug, condescending, assclown? Personally I believe in God, whether anybody else does or doesn’t is none of my business. The SINGLE defining characteristic of the vast majority of atheists I’ve come across, hubris. They aren’t happy it seems just not believing in God, they MUST ridicule those that do. They preen and strut, and wax philosophically about their imagined intellectual superiority. They also claim to be “oppressed” by those practicing a religion. They make obviously false statements like: MOST wars are caused by religion. My favorite is their claim that there is no moral objectivity, but that they are right and I am wrong.

I am sure you can be an atheist and mgtow, but can you be an atheist without being an asshole…

[John DoeParticipant 743]

kbbroiler wrote:

long as they don’t impose their beliefs on others to say, “this is the right way.” That’s my take.

Ironically, you just imposed your beliefs on me, with this statement.

These discussions are just a part of life.  Can’t avoid them.  Can’t not avoid them.  Women/Politics/Religion(Philosophy) are subjects that are always discussed.  Whether we realize it or not.

There is nothing deep going on here.  These are just subjects that all men have to face at one time or another.  It is a natural part of being human.

In regards to “hypocrisy” I would have to agree with you.  It is there.  But it is also in every other religion.  It is among the athiests.  It is among the agnostics.  It sure as hell is in politics and the secular world.  There is not anywhere to can go that you won’t find it, if you look.   That is why one often has to look at a religion or philosophy on its own merits.  Because if you look at the followers, even in the MGTOW “community”, you will find hypocrisy where you go.

In regards to people walking away from it in “droves” one would also be a “follower” if they walked with the droves.  Atheism and nihilism are the new intellectual “fads”.   And that is what they are, just intellectual fads.

Everyone is a follower in one respect and a leader in another.  A human being cannot be only one or another, he must be both at the same time in different respects.

 

[WarratahParticipant 895]

I was reared in a ‘Christian’ home and rejected it. It took me until my mid-thirties to realise that whilst I’d rejected the church, I’d remained attached to Jesus’ philosophy. As time passed I actually became even more attached to it. It seems to me that many western atheists ‘throw the baby out with the bathwater’. I know many who despise the church yet lead lives that are very close to the style recommended by Jesus. Actually atheists are some of the most Christian people I know when it comes to their dealings with their neighbours. I still despise the church, I also don’t like the majority of church-goers. I am, however, in awe of the simplicity and power behind the philosophy taught by Jesus and it is a cornerstone of my own life.

As to MGTOW, hell, it’s one strand of many that form what I am today. As it does of everyone here. You can be MGTOW with Buddhist/Capitalist/Muslim/Zen/Socialist/Confucian/Atheist/Communist/Taoist/Christian whatever strands life has thrown at you.

...And in our own despair, against our will, Comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God. - Agamemnon; by Aeschylus

[harpo-my-“SON”Participant 2410]

More and more I see the followers of strict logical non belief to be the most aggressive….This is a trend that will continue I believe..Ironically the bible speaks about the persecution and ridicule of Christians….The logical atheist needs to have solid proof before believing in religion….But they will have deep scientific discussions about theoretical physics….some science is no more provable than religion….

MYTH: Theoretical physics is a useful tool to explain particles smaller than a photon or how the universe does work.

TRUTH: The brainpower of theoretical physics should be used in applied physics and we should stop wasting time, energy, and money dreaming about theoretical physics concepts.

Historically religious leaders wowed their flock with stories about miracles and stories about super human events.  Today bulls~~~ theoretical physicists are wowing their gullible flock with stories about teleportation, worm holes, parallel universes, multiple bubble universes, string theory, black holes, dark matter, anti-matter, existence of something unique at two or more points at once, etc. Don’t listen to and try to believe all that irrelevant, untrue, unprovable nonsense that has no real value in the real world that you are now living in!  Theoretical physicists have replaced the religious prophets of old and their supernatural claims or theories are just as outrageous and not to be believed! No homosapien will ever be omniscient, omnipresent, and omnipotent!  Which non insane human really thinks that they can be all knowing, exist everywhere, and be all powerful???

I was bound to be misunderstood, and I laugh at those who misunderstand me. Kind mockery at the well intentioned, but unfettered cruelty towards those would be prison guards of my creative possibilities. This so as to learn as much from misunderstanding as from understanding. Taking pleasure in worthy opponents and making language fluid and flowing like a river yet pointed and precise as a dagger. Contradicts the socialistic purpose of language and makes for a wonderful linguistic dance, A verbal martial art with constant parries that hone the weapon that is the two edged sword of my mouth.

[Anonymous 43]

Hey “monkey fingers”  you’ve been shamed by a guy that looks extremely upward to an astrophysicist and can’t comprehend all he wrote, like it’s from god or something, so we have you (monkey fingers) and your “God” at the bottom.

2nd, we have Monkey keeper shamming monkey fingers, all the while not fully understanding his professors interpretation of astrophysics; therefore who is the follower and who is the leader? We don’t SUBMIT like cattle to our faith, we merely walk along life’s trail keeping our faith on a friendly order, like having a friend that has wisdom over both logic and emotion; it takes courage to allow your mind, body and soul to be entered by a spirit, other than yours…..a duality, yet I’m singular. I am MGTOW all the way! I don’t judge others, I don’t shame others, I am never condescending to others, I’ve been there. I realize the difficulty atheists have in opening there minds to other options.

Horseshoe crabs, sharks, and even mans footprints have been found in the “fossil evidence” of Darwin’s “theory” of evolution…. “I think” GOD’s outside the box, and to deny that, makes one just a rebellious little bitch in god’s eyes; not even willing to allow monkey fingers to retain “his” own faith…..

As far as Christians go, many of them are wolves in sheep clothing….

[harpo-my-“SON”Participant 2410]

MG-TOWER  brilliant words here:  We don’t SUBMIT like cattle to our faith, we merely walk along life’s trail keeping our faith on a friendly order, like having a friend that has wisdom over both logic and emotion; it takes courage to allow your mind, body and soul to be entered by a spirit, other than yours…..a duality, yet I’m singular. I am MGTOW all the way! I don’t judge others, I don’t shame others, I am never condescending to others, I’ve been there. I realize the difficulty atheists have in opening there minds to other options.

That is good will keep that for later use in these debates to trap other assclowns with no respect for others rights to believe as they choose…

I was bound to be misunderstood, and I laugh at those who misunderstand me. Kind mockery at the well intentioned, but unfettered cruelty towards those would be prison guards of my creative possibilities. This so as to learn as much from misunderstanding as from understanding. Taking pleasure in worthy opponents and making language fluid and flowing like a river yet pointed and precise as a dagger. Contradicts the socialistic purpose of language and makes for a wonderful linguistic dance, A verbal martial art with constant parries that hone the weapon that is the two edged sword of my mouth.

[harpo-my-“SON”Participant 2410]

I consider this hate speech toward Christians….and very closed minded…which leans towards intellectual intolerance…No one is attacking terminal for having no faith, yet he appears to hate those that do, to the extreme…he openly is saying no Christians allowed in mgtow, if he had his way. Anger shows lack of emotional control..He should avoid religious discussions with people he hates….

Terminal meme wrote:

F~~~ your beliefs and vain faith. If I could I’d revoke your MGTOW cards and cut them up with scissors. I’d excommunicate you for being posers. Good bye suckers. 

I’ve read several different people while being on MGTOW.com  and it’s becoming more and more obvious that this place is full of Christians. Unsurprising considering politics. As usual, I’m done when I find out either a place is full of misandric whores in love with feminism, or its filled profusely with equally deluded monotheists. Both of the groups are ridiculous, uneducated, indoctrinated and undesirable for an intellectual male.

I was bound to be misunderstood, and I laugh at those who misunderstand me. Kind mockery at the well intentioned, but unfettered cruelty towards those would be prison guards of my creative possibilities. This so as to learn as much from misunderstanding as from understanding. Taking pleasure in worthy opponents and making language fluid and flowing like a river yet pointed and precise as a dagger. Contradicts the socialistic purpose of language and makes for a wonderful linguistic dance, A verbal martial art with constant parries that hone the weapon that is the two edged sword of my mouth.

[Anonymous 43]

There’s Muslim mgtows.

There’s Christian mgtows.

There’s gay mgtows

There’s racist mgtows

There’s communist mgtows

There’s atheist mgtows

There’s fascist mgtows

There’s even the severely restricted Married mgtows, I welcome them all, I’ll befriend them all…..

MEN ONLY! Girlies hit the road!

[WolfgarParticipant 21]

Hello Kbbroiler,

What is your definition of impose?  Does it involve coercion in a physical capacity?

I will tell everybody I can about my beliefs.  That is the right of every American, first amendment, and duty of every Christian.  But my right to persuade you of something ends when I try to physically or through position of authority coerce you.  For example, if I was a manager who said to an employee accept Christ or your fired, that would be imposing my beliefs onto that person.  Remember the first amendment says you have a right to talk about any subject you want.  And if it offends you then so be it.  It doesn’t mean you have a right to not be offended.  And a true Christian wouldn’t try to force anyone into believing.

(Mat 22:37)  Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
(Mat 22:38)  This is the first and great commandment.
(Mat 22:39)  And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

I tell people that they are going to hell if they don’t accept Christ out of a love for people.  I don’t want to see anybody go to hell, even Terminal.

Persuasion not force is how the true Christian spreads the truth.
(Pro 27:17)  Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend.
(Isa 1:18)  Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD…
(1Pe 3:15)  But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:

Kbbroiler wrote “So I’ve seen the other side of Christianity. I’ve seen the hypocrisy  and imposing their will on others.”

If you have seen hypocrisy or other types of sin by someone representing Christ on a regular basis without some form of repentance then I would ask if they were even Christians to begin with.  Remember that claiming to be something does not necessarily make it true.  It is a shame that this happens because people see that and think that that is what Christianity is all about and then will turn from anything claiming to be Christian.  And then some people who are harmed like this will become very bitter at anything Christian or even generically spiritual.  My dad’s dad was this way.  I don’t know what happened to him to cause such bitterness but when my mom, dad and I all got baptized he changed his will to exclude my dad.  He was a bitter man until the day he died treating everybody like crap that he even suspected of being a Christian.  He was mean to people even on his death bed.  My dad was the opposite.  Even when the nurses caused him some pain he wasn’t mean to them.

And speaking of my parents, they are awesome.  My mom submitted to my dad in all things that I ever saw and my dad delegated some of the responsibilities to her.  It was a very Biblical marriage even though we rarely went to church.  My dad worked long hours and odd shifts all the time I was growing up and my mom started working after I was old enough to be on my own at home after school.  They are the parents that turned into best friends as I matured and left home.  I wish that everybody could have experienced what great parents are all about.  (It’s hard to know which verb tenses to use because my dad past away a few years ago but my mom is still alive.)

No one in the world is without sin but a true Christian will repent of the sin (turn from it/stop doing it) and ask for forgiveness from God and the ones he has harmed.

Kbbroiler wrote “I’m MGTOW but I wouldn’t say to someone who is married the unmarried life is better so you should get a divorce.”

All that Paul was saying is that if you are currently unmarried then it is good to remain that way.  But it is better to marry than to commit fornication.  He never advocated divorce.

[WolfgarParticipant 21]

Hello Terminal,

I actually wanted to understand you a little bit better so I have done some reading on the net this afternoon about your oft quoted phrase “the illusion of free will”.  I went to samharris.org, illusionfreewill.com, and phys.org.  I understand now why you talk about it so much.  It is a perfect conclusion of the evolutionary religion.

“Where is the logic in debating an individual’s level of responsibility, when the reality is that none of us are biologically responsible for our actions?”
http://phys.org/news186830615.html

It absolves everybody of all personal responsibility.  It is also perfectly in line with the satanist Aleister Crowley and his law that says “do what thou wilt”.  I think I see where the origin of “illusion of free will” comes from.

Definition of “Free will”:

free and independent choice; voluntary decision:

the doctrine that the conduct of human beings expresses personal choice and is not simply determined by physical or divine forces.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/free%20will?s=t

Free will is the ability to make a choice that is “not simply determined by physical or divine forces”.  Like John Doe has stated going you own way means making a choice.  But if there is no free will then there are no choices and you can’t choose to go your own way.

Your own beliefs are in absolute contradiction to the definition of MGTOW.  You can’t choose to go your own way because you can’t choose anything.

I have looked at several different ways that I can go and have come to the conclusion that the direction that I will go is the direction that God wishes everyone to go in.  This is my freewill choice.  Since I have chosen of my own free will a way in which to go I have fulfilled the definition of MGTOW.

If you extend this line of thinking it ends up being “do what thou wilt” because there are no personal responsibilities.  If it feels good do it.  Which is great when it’s just yourself or screwing over somebody because you feel like it.  But I’ll bet your philosophy of “the illusion of free will” would dissolve in a heart beat if a woman cut off your dick.  But according to your philosophy then she had no choice in the matter and you wouldn’t even be able to get mad at her.

And thank you Terminal for calling me a Jesus freak.  That is an awesome compliment!
Perhaps I’ll change Wolfgar to Jesus Freak.  I kind of like that idea.

Jesus freak is a term arising from the late 1960s and early 1970s counterculture and is used as a pejorative for those involved in the Jesus movement.
Address : <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_freak&gt;

The Jesus movement was restorationist in theology, seeking to return to the original life of the early Christians. As a result, Jesus people often viewed churches, especially those in the United States, as apostate, and took a decidedly countercultural political stance in general.
The movement tended towards strong evangelism and millennialism.
Address : <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_movement&gt;

Evangelism is the preaching of the Gospel or the practice of giving information about a particular doctrine or set of beliefs to others with the intention of converting or Conversion of others to the Christian faith.
Address : <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelism&gt;

Millennialism (from millennium, Latin for “thousand years”), or chiliasm in Greek, is a belief held by some Christian denominations that there will be a Golden Age or Paradise on Earth in which “Christ will reign” for 1000 years prior to the final judgment and future eternal state (the “World to Come” of the New Heavens and New Earth). This belief is derived primarily from Revelation 20:1–6
Address : <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennialism&gt;

[harpo-my-“SON”Participant 2410]

I do believe Terminal Meme has left the building as he can’t tolerate being around those that refuse to accept his views..

Intolerance of what he perceives to be to be ignorance..His imagined intellectual superiority failed when his emotions overtook his logic..Why do people get angry and intolerant just because others don’t agree with them?  Its irrational to believe everyone should have the same beliefs…yet in his mind he was in the right calling others irrational…almost as hard for me to fathom as why most non-believers worship science and bulls~~~ theoretical physicists….In the philosophy ward of this nuthouse I set up an experiment on boundaries, tolerance and self control….two rooms set up as safe rooms one Atheist mgtow and the other mgtow of faith…..I hope to prove men of faith have more tolerance respect, self control and willingness to to participate….As heated as these religious debates  get,  I have never found the need to get emotional..I will post to the mgtow of faith topic now and then, already posted a couple of songs…I wanted to keep it light so I allow all faiths even FSM for a laugh…

kbbroiler I dropped by you-tube. I like your Chanel.

I was bound to be misunderstood, and I laugh at those who misunderstand me. Kind mockery at the well intentioned, but unfettered cruelty towards those would be prison guards of my creative possibilities. This so as to learn as much from misunderstanding as from understanding. Taking pleasure in worthy opponents and making language fluid and flowing like a river yet pointed and precise as a dagger. Contradicts the socialistic purpose of language and makes for a wonderful linguistic dance, A verbal martial art with constant parries that hone the weapon that is the two edged sword of my mouth.

[Terminal MemeParticipant 57]

Harpomason and I called a truce after I apologized for the over the top message above. I’m not able to delete comment #32848 but can tell you guys this. I love MGTOW too much to bother trying to change the believers. Similar to how I still love my 2 brothers (one has masters in theology, the other a former pastor) I can’t completely throw you under the bus. I lost my cool and I do practice some degree of tolerance.

I still think the MGTOW man is ideally, way too progressive and educated to fall for such quaint pitfalls like faith (not an admirable virtue).

I stand by the late and respected, Christopher Hitchens, “What can asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.” It’s my hope that each and every MGTOW will eventually see clear, the ravaging immorality and illogical nature of all faiths but in the mean time, MGTOW is too important for us all.

On another topic, it seems contradictory to practice Christianity and claim MGTOW, in my opinion, because the circumstances that brought MGTOW into existence stem from faith’s shortcomings in the first place. This is how you have your reasons and eat them too. Again, my opinion, but the rise in technology (contraception/abortion) and the churches false monopoly on ethics stifling science’s role in forming an objective moral science, was a feminism time bomb waiting to explode, and it did explode in the 60’s, radiating the misandric fall-out you see today. 

If we’d of been able to circumnavigate the church and create a sound objective morality, free from religious affect, we could of educated women on why they should act responsibly for the sake of sociology and the well-being of our species, rather than trying to shame them into responsible living using the same shameful tactics that religion has employed for 4000 years. This is how you get the backwards accusations from the Left towards the Christian right, on the issues that Christians actually got right (family structure, non-whoredom).

You don’t have to be Christian to see the grave effects of legal, homosexual encouragement that makes the masses androgynous and kills the family unit. You don’t have to be Christian to be conservative, to see that abortion is a get out of jail free card for whores. You can be a conservative atheist and despise lesbians all the same. These really are problems, all stemming from Feminism.

Anyway, go your own way I guess. I learn new s~~~ everyday. I dont have it out for gays or women, I just hate the lie that people are born gay, it completely ignores memes and child abuse. I just hate when women ignore how naturally inferior they are and claim they’re equal but still want the handouts for being unequal.

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