Christian/Religious MGTOW is it possible?!

[Dcue95Participant 78]

As a buddhist, I find that my beliefs don’t really conflict with MGTOW. If anything, I feel like MGTOW is more like an extension of Buddhism.

[Cheeky BastardParticipant 323]

It is the same for Christians. Christianity complements MGTOW its the TRADCONs that make life hard. They’re the walking epitome of ignorance.

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[Dcue95Participant 78]

As a Buddhist, I find that MGTOW and Buddhism don’t really conflict. The basic beliefs of Buddhism being the 4 noble truths and the 8-fold path. You can learn about the 4 noble truths and the 8-Fold path in the links I have provided, should you be interested.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

Endwatcher wrote:

Richard, I dont want to hijack this thread…but the statement about Gnostics not believing the Jesus was in the flesh is incorrect.
This accusation lines right up with the propaganda that the church produced to murder Gnosis of The Creator.“Burn them, so they will revert to our ways by the end so atleast they will be saved”
I personally believe that those beliefs are satanic, intentional or not.
Women in general were created to be our co partners and we were supposed to live our roles.Problem is now, women in general have fallen because of pride, and men have a choice to go down that road….or the other.
Its all pretty relative to the past, and as soon as you understand that time is not linear then you begin to see the lines of events merge.Anyways, I respect your opinion and didnt want to sound like I didnt. But this is a common problem with people who have not search….and found

There is definitely a risk of this getting WAY off topic. This thread was MGTOW and religion, and really not about the nature of the Christian religion. I was just giving my understanding on it.

My understanding of gnosticism, is what I see in the likes of this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnosticism

And what I understood also of gnosticism, is that it is religion based around knowledge, and salvation by knowing certain things. I understood it as a disconnect from this world, with a general view that the material world is evil, and the intellectual world is most pure. From a church perspective, historically, when the gnostics popped up, they were divorcing any history around the Christian religion, from the religion itself, and ended up undermining a path of so and so knowing so and so, and tracing it back to Jesus. There were the others also. But that is my take.

For myself, intellectual knowledge is limited in its practical value, and not the end all and be all of pursuits. I am personally more utilitarian, and seek to have my lifestyle be decent, less than a bunch of head knowledge of things.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[Cheeky BastardParticipant 323]

As I said before in “Biological Solutions to the Male Sex Drive” Buddhism and Christianity lends themselves greatly to the philosophy of MGTOW. They are both supportive of the MGTOW philosophy. Most of Hindu is as well so I do urge people not to make the mistake of suggesting that they do.

The biggest concern are traditionalists. They often believe themselves to be on some sort of holy crusade which makes them dangerous to themselves and others because often they do not know the fundamentals, but rather feed off of the views of other traditionalists. This is why they have more in common with feminism than any peaceful religion.

Keeping in mind that a lot of Muslims are peaceful but Mohammed made the mistake of taking his anger of being mistreated by pagans and Christians out on the last two chapters of the Koran. Those writings he made in anger other ones water causing all the problems today. Believe it or not the first half the Koran is quite peaceful though he emphasised orthodoxy and Ishmael the illegitimate son of Abraham. So it is very hard for strict Moslems to associate their beliefs with MGTOW.

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[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

Traditionalists often aren’t really true to what the real tradition was and the core message. What they are, as far as I can tell, is Blue Pill in nature, and want to defend what they are comfortable with, and not change. I speak of the faux conservatism I see about, like glorification of the Nuclear Family and so on. It was like what was done in the past century or so, not even going further back than that. They tend to be slower in how they respond to things. Also, they will tend to pay a LOT of lip service to tradition, while not following it as much.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[Cheeky BastardParticipant 323]

Duplicity is interesting analogy. We do see security as being the driving force behind conservatism. A fear of separation. Human beings feared change more often than not. It often is the driving force behind voluntary ignorance. It is I believe the reason why 30% of Christians have never read the Bible.

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[Rolling Tin FistParticipant 484]

The problem Churches are having today, in my experience, is that the woman of Proverbs 31, no longer exists and men are slowing waking up to this.

Whenever my wife starts becoming overly pious I simply remind her that I go to church and read the bible too, and Gen X and younger women (as well as men) today are either unable or unwilling to adhere to biblical scripture. However, instead of pastors being impartial arbiters, the vast majority just shame and guilt men because their audience (read: tithers) are by a vast majority, women.

"Love is the delusion that one woman differs from another" - H. L. Mencken

[OracleSummonParticipant 179]

Rolling Tin Fist wrote:

The problem Churches are having today, in my experience, is that the woman of Proverbs 31, no longer exists and men are slowing waking up to this.

Whenever my wife starts becoming overly pious I simply remind her that I go to church and read the bible too, and Gen X and younger women (as well as men) today are either unable or unwilling to adhere to biblical scripture. However, instead of pastors being impartial arbiters, the vast majority just shame and guilt men because their audience (read: tithers) are by a vast majority, women.

Precisely. It also is aided by the fact that Churches are mainly Feminized and refuse to even tell women to submit to their husbands.

About the Topic: It is possible to be a MGTOW and a Christian at the same time. Just make sure you are not participating in pre-marital sex and/or committing fornication, to uphold to God.

In fact, being both a MGTOW and Christian can benefit men in many ways, but I will only list one:

Christianity encourages men to never engage in pre-marital sex with any women. This is safe since men will never get involved with dangerous sexual diseases such as HIV and AIDS. There also won’t be a fear of pregnancy (unless the man gets raped or has his sperm stolen) in the near future.

[Bob BashboshParticipant 160]

Wandersmann, perhaps you could explain to me how ANY physical interpretation of reality can be defined as anything BUT ‘observably’ truthful and just how a neurological data stream can be taken as an honest reflection of external phenomena without a generous dose of supposition (read: faith)? I submit that ardent champions of the established scientific community are nothing more than pious adherents of just another ecclesiastical order.

It’s not for you to presume intellectual preeminence over those whose beliefs happen to contend with your own preconceived or entirely dogmatic notions concerning the nature of reality.

Moreover, if you honestly subscribe to the MGTOW philosophy, you’ll recognise the importance of indulging those of us who derive our renewed sense of purpose from ‘going our own way’. If I was so easily swayed by orthodoxy, I’d never have discovered this community in the first place.

[Falcon SageParticipant 92]

I know that this is a sensitive topic and I just wanted to say my personal opinion. There’s a reason why religion is based on geography: because it is handed down from parents and community to children. Almost always, one is only religious because their parents were. The reason I’m stating this is because, in my opinion, the bulls~~~ brainwashing and indoctrination about the true nature about women and how society sees men is much harder to break free from than religion. That’s part of why there are so many more non-religious men than there are MGTOW. I just assumed that all MGTOW’s were non-religious because I had never heard of a religious MGTOW and many MGTOW channels would mention or hint that they were non-religious.

"Woman is a misbegotten man and has a faulty and defective nature in comparison to his. Therefore she is unsure in herself. What she cannot get, she seeks to obtain through lying and diabolical deceptions. And so, to put it briefly, one must be on one's guard with every woman, as if she were a poisonous snake and the horned devil. ... Thus in evil and perverse doings woman is cleverer, that is, slyer, than man. Her feelings drive woman toward every evil, just as reason impels man toward all good." –Saint Albertus Magnus, Dominican theologian, 13th century

[Chris-Own-WayParticipant 25]

Hey guys first post here and I am going to give you my take on this.

As a life long MGTOW I have struggled with Religion keeping men from going their own way and submitting to the Church and “Family” at their own expense.

I have to thank my wonderful ex-wife for solving this for me. To “punish” me she was on a kick to undermine the kids religion to make things harder for me. After a year or so of fighting it I broke down and took the kids to the church she baited them with.

The general idea of this place is that Jesus came to get rid of Religion and teach relationships instead.

They teach common sense logical male style thinking based on the bible and for the first time in my kids lifes they heard someone else saying the same things I had been trying to teach them.

Years of convoluted destructive ideas their mother was spewing melted away in less that a month. They stopped fighting with each other, they took responsibility for their school work and peace came into my home for the fist time in many many years.

For me all the guilt I had for not being a manginia was gone and the world started to make a little more sense.

I really am not very Religious but I do believe in God and that he works in very mysterious ways.

In case you are wondering what church it’s Life Church based in Oklahoma City, OK.

[FrostByteParticipant 19006]

Seems to me the bible is filled with red-pill warnings and stories (Samson and Delia, David and Bathsheba and so many quotes I can’t even start list). So I’d say there is not conflict except from those people who are pushing their own blue-pill / must-get-married agenda.

If you rescue a damsel in distress, all you will get is a distressed damsel.

[Anonymous 3]

I’ve been having conflicts with me and the Church. Once I save up enough money, I feel like I won’t go to church anymore, not because of selfish reasons, but because our interests are getting farther and farther apart.

[Zuberi TauParticipant 10606]

Yes it is possible.

Do not give your strength to women, nor your ways to that which ruins kings.
-Proverbs 31:3-

[Chaff/FlareParticipant 3235]

Absolutely. The New Testament is about being free from the law. any game you decide to play, you have to play by the rules. MGTOW is not playing the game

In this world but not of this world

When you find yourself in the majority, it's time to reflect.

[hadenough1969Participant 539]

This whole thing is the result of the women failing to remember the following. I have NEVER in 40+ years of church heard it preached or even read out loud:

I Corinthians 11:3,7,8,9

3But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

7For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.

What part of THE WOMAN IS THE GLORY OF MAN don’t they understand?
Here is the real kicker that no one ever dares say:

8For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man. 9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.

Satan has convinced the church that his way of the woman being the head, the man being the glory of the woman, the man being of the woman and that man was created for the woman is the correct order of things and we now have society that is result of this sin. It is exactly OPPOSITE of God’s plan.

Therefore, IMHO feminism is satanism and the reason it is so powerful. The churches all pushing this “new order” are in fact satanic and agents of the dark side.

The other falsehood they are preaching is the sex outside of marriage is somehow sin. If we can agree that:

1. In order for something to be sin, blood must be shed to atone for it.
2. If blood is not required, it is NOT SIN.
2. There is not 1 instance in the old testament of an unmarried woman/man or even a married man having sex with anyone that resulted in the need for a blood sacrifice.
3. There is an entire chapter in Leviticus dedicated to who you can and cannot have sex with. If it was as the churches preach now, “you can’t sleep with anyone unless you are married to them” It would have only required 1 verse.

In short, we have all been conned. This is not to say there are not negative consequences that can be had from sex outside of marriage ie unwanted kids, disease and messy entanglements.

That said, the unmarried man or having sex with the unmarried woman is never condemned and certainly not punished. In fact, the worst that could happen to him is he would have to propose to the woman ONLY if she was a virgin. He also had to pay the father of the virgin 50 pieces of silver for lowering her value on the open market. If she did not want to marry, pay the 50 pieces and move on.

All references to whores that were condemned in the old testament were explicitly shown to have been MARRIED whores which of course was adultery. There is no prohibition on whores or using a whore as long as both parties were unmarried. In fact a married man was not even prohibited from sleeping with an unmarried women, whore or not.

ie with all the bad things Samson did, he is NEVER once condemned for sleeping with Deliah, who was a whore

By OT definition, the only way adultery could happen was if a man (married/unmarried) slept with a MARRIED women. Why? Because you were defiling another MANs property. A man, married or not, could hit whatever he wanted, concubine, handmaiden additional wives etc. Might make the wife mad, cause problems etc but is was not a SIN. A married man sleeping with an unmarried woman (not a virgin) is not condemned either…the modern woman REALLY hates that and quickly shoves it under the rug. “That’s not fair” cries the feminized church woman. Doesn’t change the facts.

God even gave David all of Saul’s wives, and would have given him even more had he wanted…

2 Samuel 8:1
I gave your master’s house to you, and your master’s wives into your arms. I gave you all Israel and Judah. And if all this had been too little, I would have given you even more.

Clearly God does not have a problem with a man enjoying many women. Why should He? THE ONLY REASON HE CREATED A WOMAN WAS TO BENEFIT A MAN!!!!!

A bait and switch has occurred on the term “fornication” which was originally written as “pornia” in the Greek. So guess what is prohibited for sexual activity in the new testament? The same thing as the old. Refer to Leviticus 18. Modern religion has conveniently changed the modern definition fornication to include pre-martial sex. In biblical times it only refered to “unlawful intercourse, including adultery, and/or worship of idols.” Again, what is “unlawful”? According to the law, everything in Leviticus 18.

I recommend everyone read “The biblical truth about sex” by Paul Fox. It will change your entire view of sex in the Bible. Basically, just as we have been lied to about everything else in society, we have been lied to about this topic.

[Chaff/FlareParticipant 3235]

Yea fine. I am a Christian. By definition, it’s doing your own thing.

So if you date, are married, monk or want a c~~~ in your mouth, or a bible in your pocket, thats your way.

Just saying brotha, recommend you don’t try to make this your congregation.

When you find yourself in the majority, it's time to reflect.

[Herr.KaufmannParticipant 78]

Been Christian since 2014 and MGTOW as of this year.
Not easy being either in this day and age. Being shunned and shamed.
This is my response to the rest of society.

[<<>>Participant 435]

TYE wrote:

I have been very 50/50 with my faith, but recently I have made the decision to permanently embrace it, and to stop thinking about the role women play in Christianity. No verse say’s I have to directly communicate with the tyrants, and I refuse to let them dictate my life. Has anyone else faced obstacles maintaining faith, and MGTOW status? The only problem I see is that most religions aim to unite men, and women…which in this day and age is a no go. Do you ignore certain things that ask you to engage in anti MGTOW behaviors?!

1 Corinthians 7King James Version (KJV)

1 Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman.

2 Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.

To adhere to this strictly in youth I would think practically impossible I’m glad middle age has finally released from insatiable carnal desires.
Of course, I backslide from time to time I’m no saint but Lord knows I’m trying. Good luck brother.

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