Christian/Religious MGTOW is it possible?!

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

Cheeky Bastard wrote:

I think everybody is ignoring the elephant in the room. Yes you can be a Christian or whatever and be MGTOW too.
F~~~ a lot of the greatest men in history have been MGTOW and still have beliefs in the intangible. That precedent has been set. Even Paul begged God to take away his desires so he could remain MGTOW.
Man, if that’s not dedication to MGTOW, I do not know what is.
Gynocentrisem is intangible but we choose to believe because it fits our frame of reference. Try telling a feminist it exists, because there is a disparity between our views of the world.
In MGTOW there is no disparity why create one.

Hey Cheeky, you feel the thorn in the flesh Paul wrote on was his sex drive? I always thought it was something else BUT that. I think the idea of the text was that what is given is enough, and to master being content.

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[Cheeky BastardParticipant 323]

Put it in the context of a man not a historical figure. A “thorn in his flesh” a product of carnality in opposition to his beliefs of serving God and remaining pure (Corinthians “if you must”). Paul believed in MGTOW in its purest form of his identity. What would corrupt that pure identity?

I meant; what would be in his flesh/carnality that would reproach his integrity and being pure for God and only God?

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[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

Cheeky Bastard wrote:

Put it in the context of a man not a historical figure. A “thorn in his flesh” a product of carnality in opposition to his beliefs of serving God and remaining pure (Corinthians “if you must”). Paul believed in MGTOW in its purest form of his identity. What would corrupt that pure identity?
I meant; what would be in his flesh/carnality that would reproach his integrity and being pure for God and only God?

There was speculation of a physical ailment, or it could of been someone following him around and harassing him. With Paul, I think he was secure in his calling, and that can really be seen as MGTOW, if you factor in also not marrying. I consider those two to really be MGTOW. Paul may of been married at one time. I think idea of the texts is to see how they are of use today.

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[Cheeky BastardParticipant 323]

Fallacy of Composition: Orthodoxy has a vested interest in making you think that he was a parody and never had sexual thoughts, because this makes you think your two week not to marry. The woman Paul could have been married to, in theory would have been a Roman woman otherwise he would not have been an untrustworthy paladin and Pharisee.

Being a man that has been married to before and coming a single parent then MGTOW without knowing it, I was racked with sexual desire 27 to 32. You can’t go cold turkey from sex without being vexed by sexual thoughts. And keep in mind they have a vested interest in indoctrinating you or Orthodoxy falls apart when children aren’t born into their religion.

You had better read it for yourself and you will see how in the context none of those explanations they give you an even feasible. To make this easier give you some hints. During the time of his struggle he was still travelling vast distances by Foot. Can you do that with an illness for10 years before writing letters or an idiot in tow? Did you think a person can be a described as a thorn your flesh rather than deliver me from this interminable person. Would a troll continue to follow him over hundreds of kilometres on foot for years on end just to frustrate him?

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[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

The thing is, if Paul was in his later years when doing his ministry (he may of been), his sex drive would of likely been reduced.

But, to make this interesting, let’s assume that is correct what you are said, what would be the gift of singleness he is talking about. That I am curious about. It has been implied a low sex drive, which I argued against. But what would it be? I see this as a big issue to get answers to, because it can help a Christian man know if he is called to be MGTOW for his life. 1 Corinthians 7:8-9 is said the gift for singleness means an abnormally low sex drive.

And I discussed it in this video:

Like myself, I would say not wanting to have kids is probably a good sign for myself not to marry.

Anyhow, I just would like to see a greater framework than the sexual side for discussing things. I don’t believe the thorn, and what it is, really is the key part to the letter anyhow, so knowing it isn’t the point. It is more about a problem or a burden NOT being removed, but dealt with. Sometimes the way to liberation is through a problem, rather than fleeing, or going around, it. I personally wouldn’t use Paul’s thorn in any context for discussing sex drive, because it isn’t there. Now something like, “Flee youthful lust”, and others, would be appropriate.

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[Aroused By Her AnguishParticipant 349]

I am an atheist, although I used to be a Christian. Your religion or lack of religion is unrelated to MGTOW.

[Cheeky BastardParticipant 323]

I’m a person questions and I have studied ancient literature in the Bible but also of put it in context the situation the person will be you what is a social norm for the situation. And that’s why I question firm belief without examination. There is more literature them what’s canonised and you’ve got to ask yourself what is the reason and how do I find out for yourself.

Why I re-examine this so thoroughly is because originally it was only translated to Latin originally so that the common people could not know what was written in there. Why? That is why “questions are the beginning of wisdom.”

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[JollyMisanthropeParticipant 3356]

If you try to dissect MGTOW, using a religious text as a guide, you don’t understand MGTOW.

It’s an absurdly simple concept.

The Children of Doom... Doom's Children. They told my lord the way to the Mountain of Power. They told him to throw down his sword and return to the Earth... Ha! Time enough for the Earth in the grave.

[Cheeky BastardParticipant 323]

If you think that’s what’s happening you haven’t been paying attention. I understand that the threat is long and I understand not reading fraud all.

According to MGTOW we are able to interpret it in our own way even if it isn’t what we’re doing now.

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[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

JollyMisanthrope wrote:

If you try to dissect MGTOW, using a religious text as a guide, you don’t understand MGTOW.
It’s an absurdly simple concept.

From my take on this, you have MGTOW in the Christian religion, as a path for some men. That is where I come from. I look at MGTOW in the Christian religion, among Christians, as my main focus of the channel I do. I do speak on the Christian religion, and MGTOW, and where the intersect. I am doing this, in part, due to a sheer lack of information to help unmarried single Christian men live. The other main stuff is “man up and get married” so I look to fight that.

The thing is that some are making MGTOW out to be far more than it is, and I see attempts to make it a religion or ideology, rather than simply a lifestyle.

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[Cheeky BastardParticipant 323]

Within MGTOW “going their own way” is paramount to succeeding. As soon as you have a list of things you must believe. You are no longer ‘going their own way’ oxymoron notwithstanding.

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[EndwatcherParticipant 81]

My beliefs are Gnostic Mystic Christian I also follow the path or Hermes. “dont confuse Gnostic with Agnostic”

My beliefs are this.

Little do people know or understand, is that before Eve…there was another women named Lilith.
Lilith would be described in todays terms as a feminist, She disobeyed and was just a pain in the ass essentially.
Long story story, The Creator didnt go for that as women was cast as a companion, not a dictator, Lilith then became what is known as Succubus.
Im sure you know what that is.

Eve was sweet and a pretty decent companion, but the flaw was she ended up making the mistake of not discussing events and Adam also Adam made the mistake of letting HER lead him.

There is many variations of wisdom, a lot include that the tree of wisdom needed to be eaten from in order for us to progress towards our creator.
There has been MANY wise men who were devoted to the Creator who were celibate, or just alone due to focus on the real reason for our existence.
That is to go your way, and eventually grow into The Creator.

I want to end this with my outspoken Love and Admiration for our Creator, and will always to my last breath through my multiple lives that Ive endured and will endure

[Cheeky BastardParticipant 323]

If you are not hazing us, it is a very unique belief system. According to literature outside the Bible the succubus is a fallen Angel.

I think you bring up a great point about the tree of knowledge. Many Christians believe the only reason that the Tree of Knowledge was there was so mankind could have true free will. Without that knowledge of speculative good and evil he could do no wrong therefore could not sin therefore he could not earn the respect of his creator as the story goes.

If man had nothing to overcome do very little. That’s why I believe the men are builders. And women are mothers. A test of character that is failing in the female population of the Western World. Man can be no longer be responsible for woman and responsibility in women is almost non-existent.

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[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

I won’t go too much into gnosticism, but I believe the big issue with the early church with gnostics, as per John’s letters, was the denial that Jesus actually came in the flesh. From that can be seen too much focus on head knowledge and not enough living. I would say it is easy to end up doing this with MGTOW. Have it so you end up just thinking on ideas of MGTOW and not living the life. I really should do a video on this sometime.

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[RusskyParticipant 13549]

Following Jesus = Following MGTOW

proud carrier of the 'why?' chromosome

[Cheeky BastardParticipant 323]

I agree in this pursuing in knowledge and pursuing a worthwhile life is more important than picking apart small writings. When the overall picture is contentment with your life and contentment with your heart/soul/spirit. To satisfying emotional and psychological needs for the greatest serenity which aligns itself with the philosophy of MGTOW and a scripture of peace.

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[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

Russky wrote:

Following Jesus = Following MGTOW

You mean being like Jesus? Well, I can say yes, but… there is the whole big wedding at the end with Jesus and the Church, and marriage is one metaphor used for the Church. But, there is also the not married aspect to the Christian religion. There is overlap in some aspects. Not all ways of MGTOW are compatible with Christianity, just like not all parts of Christianity (commands on married life) fit MGTOW.

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[RusskyParticipant 13549]

true. It’s not all like that, but you got the point I was trying to make
I also suspect some parts of the Bible were subverted and rewritten to fit certain agenda, so I don’t take everything in it verbatim

proud carrier of the 'why?' chromosome

[EndwatcherParticipant 81]

Richard, I dont want to hijack this thread…but the statement about Gnostics not believing the Jesus was in the flesh is incorrect.

This accusation lines right up with the propaganda that the church produced to murder Gnosis of The Creator.
“Burn them, so they will revert to our ways by the end so atleast they will be saved”

I personally believe that those beliefs are satanic, intentional or not.

Women in general were created to be our co partners and we were supposed to live our roles.
Problem is now, women in general have fallen because of pride, and men have a choice to go down that road….or the other.

Its all pretty relative to the past, and as soon as you understand that time is not linear then you begin to see the lines of events merge.
Anyways, I respect your opinion and didnt want to sound like I didnt. But this is a common problem with people who have not search….and found

[Cheeky BastardParticipant 323]

Hijacking a thread is quite fine as long as you know what the thread is about and you have enough thread discussion history to appreciate the discussion.

You make very good main stream points from that seen to indicate that you’ve at least read the Bible to formulate your discussion points. We are focusing on MGTOW and Christianity. We are into Christian sexuality and how that relates to MGTOW philosophy. We have formulated and established a clear history of MGTOW philosophy aligning with great figureheads of the Bible. From Elijah to John the apostle and their beliefs being that we could better serve a creator from a single life devoted to contentment and the approval of a creator rather than a woman.

We covered a woman’s departure from her fulfilment, the collapse of man’s responsibility for woman and refusing TRADCON interpretation of the Scripture. It has been suggested that seeking the approval of women could be considered idolatry as well

It is out of context to criticise Gnostics without relating it back to the subject because I would like to know what you have to say on this subject.

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