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I think what got me kicked out were some poems expressing my resentment of women. I’ll post them here so you can know what they were:
I cannot fill your emotional pit,
And I can’t take more of your bile.
I erred in taking life’s walk with you,
And I refuse to go another mile.You expect me to share your misery,
And to tolerate your slothful ways.
You’re a string of contentious complaints,
And for it aren’t any more days.You’re just too slow to understand
That living within your means,
Is also about emotional stress,
And not just money and things.There’s a price to pay for emotional stress,
And I can’t pay for what your life breeds.
So until such time as you’ll accept a fix,
I’ll have no more a heart that bleeds.
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There is no beauty you posses,
That isn’t marred by an ugly tongue.There is no talent you contribute,
That isn’t grudgingly done.There is no pleasure you can give,
That doesn’t demand my soul.There is no benefit to be had,
That makes you worth it on the whole.
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The Venus trap has within its lure
An enticement, restraint must e’er endureThe black widow’s web is a place to fear
There’s an hour glass shape showing death is near.He is a fool who succumbs to passion
And dares the snare of the pretty poison.
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What led up to my posting these was a run in with a female member of that site. I allowed myself to be baited into an argument over atheism vs theism. I’m the theist. My original post was about my desire to avoid involvement with women and a way to do it. This was before I heard about MGTOW. I didn’t even know what MGTOW stood for. Anyway… The woman in question decided to turn my post into a debate about her pet issue. I guess she didn’t like what I was suggesting about a male only community where a man could go to get away from feminist contempt. (I’m just tired of being exposed to it and there doesn’t seem to be any way to get away from it.) My idea had a religious/monastic theme. Anyway… What the discussion amounted to what her expressing her contempt for theism. I ended the discussion by conceding because it was going nowhere except to more contention. I put her on ignore and decided I decided I didn’t want any more interaction with women even if they claimed not to be feminists. From my perspective, feminist or not, women still do not offer anything but aggravation. I then decided to go on a fishing trip with my poetry. If women left a comment, that would identify them; I didn’t bother to read their comment, I just put them on ignore. That way, I didn’t have to be troubled with their complaints. However, the next time I tried to log into the forum, I couldn’t. I wrote an email to the forum manager which he never responded to, which meant to me that I was on ignore. So… there you go. Even in a venue where men are to have a voice, I got kicked out because of women.I must post a retraction. I have not been kicked out. I am informed by avoiceformen that the server which handled their forum and their email was down for an extended time such that the lack of response caused me to think I was being shut out. Their main, or home page was not affected… strange, but OK. Still I think MGTOW is more relevant to my thinking. I still don’t like it that women are there acting like trolls.
Great lines!
AFVM sucks anyways. Very angry people like Paul Elam. People on the forums wished I get ill and stuff, very disturbing people.
"If pussy was a stock it would be plummeting right now because you've flooded the market with it. You're giving it away too easy." - Dave Chapelle
@Ether_one that’s a clever user name. Smiled when I first saw it. Welcome and thanks for joining. Very pleased you’re here and you can rest knowing we strictly enforce a male-only community as it politely says right on our forum / about page and the join page. You can get away from the toxic broads, because we don’t permit them to read or comment. One tried to enter the forum a couple of hours ago, and true to form, her first post was the predictable fist in a velvet glove as she pretended to agree and compliment us on the honesty and truth she uncovered here….. followed almost immediately by another comment “that’s ridiculous”. Of course, and also true to form, there was no interest or ability in showing WHY something was “ridiculous”, she just sprayed her unwanted and uninvited comment the way a woman does when she walks into any room full of men (like say, when men are playing poker, or otherwise enjoying themselves), and she can f~~~ off this website to Yahoo or Facebook for that s~~~. Ejected.
So please make yourself at home.
Enjoyed your poetic rhymes.AVFM originally and almost immediately reached out to us the moment we opened our doors and offered “a handshake in passing” (an official article by that name followed) to which we were very receptive – wishing us well at establishing a footprint in the Manosphere. Although this gesture was not necessary in my opinion, we did a little clicking around and noticed the presence of some animosity between both groups – which we don’t fully understand and have no real interest in caring about. We offer our out-stretched hand to EVERY man with questions or answers, or a desire to find a place where he can “belong” and kick his shoes off without some bitch giving him s~~~ for leaving them in the middle of the room.
Even MGTOW will occasionally sling flaming arrows at each other, and I have connected with a few others who were automatically “banned” and ejected without good (or some silly) reason from the previous MGTOWForums, which according to some reports (and experience), had a rather hostile Gatekeeper who was ultra-rigid about those he accepted into the discussions. Can’t blame though, the attempts to infiltrate must have been overwhelming at times, and it might have worked for them to make it policy to eject – rather than accept – for a variety of reasons.
Found it surprising that you were booted from AVFM, but thanks for your respectable retraction and announcing why it could have been misunderstood. It seems curious that they have female(s) headlining some of their videos, article and comments, but there was one which I found to be MOST disturbing….. where a woman opened an “A VOICE FOR MEN(?)” video with all the inappropriate sarcasm only a woman can muster. The video starts, and her first words are “3 minutes and I haven’t been raped yet. It’s a good day.”…. as if this was some kind of attempt at humor. Now I don’t know about you guys, or your standards, but when I am about to sit down and watch a video intended to be in the male best interest – among an endless sea of gynocentric bulls~~~ we are all sick of DROWNING in – to hear a woman begin with: “3 minutes and I haven’t been raped yet. It’s a good day.” is enough for any man to say he has finally had ENOUGH. OF. THAT. S~~~.
Don’t even care what the message was beyond that point, it was ruined right out of the gate.
Casting a woman as a speaker on behalf of men is capital B.A.D no matter what the context. You can meet “traditional” women anywhere who flatly REFUSE to identify as feminists, but they are some of the most toxic examples around. I can even think of a few in my own personal life, who even if they APPEAR to want to be a team player (or say they want a “traditional” relationship)….. that ALWAYS ends up being code-speak for “work like a slave so I can live comfortably”. This end game is perhaps the most DANGEROUS around, because it is packaged and presented as well meaning…. but it’s still just about giving women what they want.
No.
So I trotted over to AVFM while enjoying a nice cabernet and read a few more articles which – if not aware that the sarcasm is intentional – can be read right off the page as if a feminist / Jezebel wrote it. Sometimes in 3 full paragraphs. Some of it clever – perhaps TOO clever and snide – because sarcasm doesn’t translate in print. Sarcasm requires tone of voice and body language to be effective, and it is something women overuse to SUCH a degree that it allows them to claim plausible deniability and turn around at ANY time to say “that’s not what I meant”. Convenient.
Women don’t even know when (or why) they are using it! It’s just caked on everything like ranch dressing.
If you don’t SAY WHAT YOU MEAN… you cannot possibly MEAN WHAT YOU SAY.
And that’s why silly sarcasm needs to stay THE F~~~ out of male discussions and the Manosphere – especially at AVFM – unless you know exactly how to use it. Like when brilliantly toppling a debate opponent’s statue with a cutting sarcastic remark AFTER you have said everything else and communicated it clearly.
• Barbarossa is direct, and is VERY CLEAR when he is being sarcastic.
• Sandman is so straight in his delivery I have never heard him be sarcastic in any ONE of his 190 videos.
• Chapin is facing the camera at all times and his crooked mouth and over-animated style shows CLEARLY what he means, and when he doesn’t.
… and MANY MGTOW lay it right on the line with no room for misinterpretation.
But a woman who looks at her watch and starts off a video by saying “3 minutes and I haven’t been raped yet. It’s a good day”??F~~~ off.
That’s why I prefer the male-only delivery of the message. And I know I’m not alone.
Nice chatting. And welcome again.If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.@CrazyCanuck A warm welcome to you too.
Nice of you to chime in and hope to hear more from you about your experiences in the fair city of T DOT O.Big MGTOW interest up there. When I check stats, there can usually be found visitors from the Toronto area – as much as New York and Seattle and elsewhere on the wet coast. Sandman (a well known MGTOW Youtube video producer) is also from Toronto. I listen intently with fascination when he mentions it.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.In response to crazycanuk:
Upon self examination… I recognize that I’m a bit angry. I mean, look at the tone of my poetry. I do see your point however. I should be at peace with my decision to ghost out and not care about the unfairness of the goals of feminism or even simply the unfairness of my past personal experiences. I should move forward and go my own way. On the other hand, without the anger, I might not have made the decision to go MGTOW. Ah well… the point is I’m here now. MGTOW!
“Anger” is a legitimate emotion in the face of injustice.
The passive acceptance of something unacceptable is not a virtue.There would be something wrong if something unjust did NOT make you angry.
No need to explain it away.If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.Hello KeyMaster, I never dated in Toronto. I moved here in 2005. Toronto women generally are cold, not very sociable.
It’s one thing to be angry and staying angry. Paul is angry a lot, which is part of the reason I don’t trust him. The problem with AFVM is that what Paul says goes. I rather do my own thing and that’s why I don’t support him. Paul claims to be a MGTOW but his users really isn’t.
I have watched sandman videos. I sense a good influence from AFVM. Too much negativity for my taste, and videos like “enemy” surely turns me off. There is a saying “You are your own worst enemy”
Anger is due to lack of control of events. Because things didn’t go your way you get angry. That isn’t justice it’s an illusion.
I have learned from Tony Robbins, whatever you focus on is what you get. He talks about learning to drive a car at fast speeds. When they intentionly pop a tire it goes out of control. Of course Tony at first would look where he was going to crash but his instructor would move his head where he wanted to go. Of course it’s no guarantee to work 100% but it’s a much better chance.
If you focus on all the bad things women or feminist do you will see it even if it’s not there. If focus on something that will eventually be your reality. I don’t know about you but reading articles from AFVM.
Paul Elam is better well known in the men’s right movement but he’s also the loudest but least effect. Take a look at CAFE http://equalitycanada.com/ or National Coalition for Men. http://ncfm.org/ Both groups do a lot more than AFVM have done.
"If pussy was a stock it would be plummeting right now because you've flooded the market with it. You're giving it away too easy." - Dave Chapelle
Something doesn’t sit right with me about AVFM either.
Keymaster nailed it. Crazy Canuck too. AVFM sucks.
I like JohnTheOther though.@Canuck. Funny, I haven’t sensed negativity in Sandman’s vids. He makes a real effort to remain very neutral. Almost flatline in his delivery. Like he’s just reading it off the page. In fact, I have actually been waiting for him to relax and let go and put a little STANK into it. Let some PASSION flow in there once in a while.
Maybe he does it deliberately so as to not generate accusations of “anger”, but I will certainly open my ears up a little more to him. His “Canadian Beavers” and “Christmas without Women” videos are about Toronto. He told a story about how chicks were planning a “singles” event to try and meet men. A hundred women showed up… but only 3 men did. I was so amused by it, because i know exactly the scene he’s talking about,
I can ABSOLUTELY attest to the Robbin’s theory. They teach this in Motorcycle training classes. Look where you want to go or you WILL crash if you focus on the target. It’s not bulls~~~, and a very good analogy.
About AVFM, I don’t know if Man / Woman / Myth is associated with them, but his stuff is very, very good. Im generally impartial to all the factions of the ‘sphere and prefer not to dwell on the differences. There is something of value to be learned and absorbed from everyone from Heartiste to AVFM … from ROK to well, everyone. It’s very important to take what’s of value… and discard the rest. As long as guys come together to help each other out and stop crawling over each other for a change, there is bound to be progress.
Perhaps the only thing that disturbs me is when a 19 year old guy feels like it’s the end of the world when he doesn’t have a girlfriend. I just want to shake the s~~~ out of him, and stop him from feeling like that. What has he been reading… who has been brainwashing him….. where did he learn that chicks are the answer to happiness and contentment. That’s what makes me “angry”. The cultural brainwashing that the sun rises and sets in poon.
…. and of course, White Knight, blue-pill manginas who sell out and step over other men for female approval.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.Bra F~~~ing Vo. (not sarcasm btw)
Nothing valueable from the men’s right movement because all they are doing is spinning the wheel. It’s not a feminism problem but a government problem. The Rockefellers and bankers funded feminism program to widen the tax base and control population. It would be a billion more times effective to actually protest against the government.
Consider that AFVM already knows this, makes me wonder. http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/feminist-governance-feminism/this-truth-really-hurts/
Maybe Paul should have some spine and protest against the government instead of spinning wheels with the media and feminists."If pussy was a stock it would be plummeting right now because you've flooded the market with it. You're giving it away too easy." - Dave Chapelle
Well, as Lee said, getting the government the f~~~ out of everyones marriage and personal lives would be the first step, because its none of their goddam business. How they even got involved in the first place is a sick f~~~ing mystery. The fact that I would have to talk to a lawyer because I don’t want a woman living in my house and I have to PAY HER TO LEAVE is so f~~~ed up…… that’s one thing a woman will never get from me. PAID to GET LOST.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.I left of my own volition. You’re not missing anything there. Besides, they had women there anyway. We all know how well that turned out.
Fuck this planet.Paul originally asked for donations as stated by manboobz. Paul obviously edited out the eating ramen and donation at least $5. I know this because I read the article several times to make sure I was reading it right. It sure shows that Paul is back tracking his own words. I really can’t trust this guy. He was on the honey badger radio telling the listeners that he bought an expensive tie in Italy.
Here is the edited version.
http://www.avoiceformen.com/a-voice-for-men/an-open-response-to-troubled-men/
What Paul originally wrote, might not be exactly but it’s pretty accurate as least for asking for donations and eating ramen.
http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/07/08/paul-elam-all-your-donations-are-belong-to-me/Donations all spent on what he claims? I think not?
http://www.avoiceformen.com/a-voice-for-men/cmon-paul-what-do-you-do-with-the-money/
This is one of the few reasons I don’t trust Paul and never will.
"If pussy was a stock it would be plummeting right now because you've flooded the market with it. You're giving it away too easy." - Dave Chapelle
@CrazyCanuck does his homework!
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.I enjoyed your poem too and I agree wholeheartedly with Keymaster, that anger is the only reasonable response to being treated badly.
I only realised that men’s anger should be a completely legitimate emotion last year, and I’m forty years old!! It’s crazy, the bulls~~~ we have been fed, shamed for not being emotional enough while at the same time being told we have no rights being angry.
I remember telling my brother in law as he was venting his anger that I thought his anger was totally legit. For weeks after that every time we spoke he would repeat how the thought of actually being told he was damn right being p~~~ed as hell had shook his world. I was glad, since I had felt the same. But the more I think about how men not even are allowed the most basic human responses, the sicker the blue pill nightmare seems to me.
I mean, it’s so crazy I don’t even know how to put it more properly in words!
shamed for not being emotional enough while at the same time being told we have no rights being angry
Well put. It’s not only women who use this tactic. I had a sociopath employer/business partner some years ago, and he was spooky calm about everything. NOTHING seemed to “bother” him. It wasn’t right. His pulse was always 25BPM it seemed. One day, I gave proper s~~~ for something that deserved it and showed him every way that it was wrong. Dude’s heart rate remained flatline and his monotone voice said “you’re being emotional”.
A neat trick, and I saw right through it.
“Anger is a legitimate emotion in the face of injustice”… as I looked him directly in the eye.
He couldn’t maintain the eye contact, didn’t know what to say to that, and his shaming attempt failed.When you are right, and believe it wholeheartedly that 1 + 1 = 2 …
you MUST NOT BUDGE or listen to people telling you that 1 + 1 = 3 while shaming you for being “angry” for not accepting that lie.And he was good at lying. He would say things as absurd as “the sky is pink” and pretend I was “emotional” when I maintained “the sky is blue don’t pull that s~~~ on me”. The (blue pill) “men” who pull this s~~~ are equally as toxic.
Men are emotional and passionate creatures – even more than women. That’s where the most beautiful symphonies, art, song lyrics and moving literature comes from. NOBODY gets to accuse men of not “being in touch with their emotions”. It’s transparent bulls~~~.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.Back to the subject of anger: I just came from a discussion concerning the ill effects of holding a grudge and the benefit of letting it go. It was a religious discussion about forgiveness. Now, I realize not everyone in this forum is religious, but I don’t think that matters as far as practical application is concerned. As I was participating in this discussion I had feminism in mind though I didn’t specifically mention it. For someone having made the decision to go MGTOW, holding onto anger or ill will toward women interferes with a tranquil mind and a peaceful existence. In terms of forgiveness, it was discussed that forgiveness is required of us if we wish to be forgiven; and this is the point I wanted clarification on: Does the act of forgiving require continued association? The consensus was that it didn’t especially if the other party is un-repentant. I just wanted to put this out there because I care about the peace of my brothers.
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