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  • #882643
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    Yes by promoting education despite there being some bulls~~~ in modern Universities.

    You ignore the corruption that is at all levels of the education system and you demand more corruption, which you view as “education”, in schools.

    Which is dodging the f~~~ing question so i will ask it again what is the right worldview/concepts in your worldview? what is the right political side or position?

    You are desperate for anything to attack me with.

    I am not a hard Statist so you are incorrect as i am not a right wing Fascist or a left wing Communistic Fascist

    This is exactly what I am talking about. No matter what issues I state, you will accuse me of being a “fascist”.

    Magatards are open Racists who want to put their s~~~ into open politics (making it law).

    You are either willfully ignore or a bigot towards U.S. citizens. You falsely accuse those you do not like of being the racist that you are.

    The more Maga you are the worst you are at least on policy and yes even Race.

    You do not even know what MAGA stands for.

    Hispanic is a definition just as White or Black is considered a definition,

    No. It is another generalization to fit a group into a political box of the globalists.

    what the hell do you mean by trying to separate White Americans from all People in America?

    This is a loaded question and you know that.

    Trump is far closer to the Nazi position as he wants Gun control

    Quality control is not gun control. President Trump has also talks about making CCW legal in all 50 States.

    Conservatives push for tax cuts for Companies which has a similar effect to bailing them out but even then i doubt Conservatives would not bailout Companies which are failing depending on the specific Company (like the Oil industry, or the Banks, or the Car Companies).

    The bailouts where by the globalists in government of all parties.

    Which is why right wingers at least attempt to do so such as the bombings early this year however that must be just a Conspiracy to pin right wingers as being bad.

    That was so much a fake false flag that even the corporate media could not keep that narrative going.

    Which i am not even thou i could care less if someone decides not to eat Animals and with that kind of lifestyle i don’t think i could be a full blown Vegan (even thou my favorite meal is technically Vegetarian as it contains no meat in it).

    I would like to claim that what I am about to say will not bring me joy in embarrassing you, but it does.

    Hitler and other high level members of the nazi command were vegans.

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    You ignore the corruption that is at all levels of the education system and you demand more corruption, which you view as “education”, in schools.

    Do i demand the bulls~~~ be taught or no? and how is by promoting Education i am promoting even more corruption?

    You are desperate for anything to attack me with.

    Answer the question.

    This is exactly what I am talking about. No matter what issues I state, you will accuse me of being a “fascist”.

    I usually put the parties as being more in line with them such as the Republican party is close to Neo-Fascism which Conservatives (especially the big wigs) love to push. Examples include George W Bush and Donald Trump who both have Fascistic tendencies such as Bush with the Patriot act, the war on terror, NSA spying, the wars etc and Trump who has been reported to state how he wanted to invade Venezuela, bring back Torture, about taking the guns without due process, the promotion of political violence by wanting his fans to beat up a protester, stating he has the right to pardon himself etc.

    So yes Trump does have Fascistic traits and if you are a diehard Maga supporter then you do as well.

    You are either willfully ignore or a bigot towards U.S. citizens.

    You mean the US Citizens who get Magatards on their asses because they speak a different Language in a public place then English? or wearing a shirt of a different Countries flag or having National pride that is not American even if they are Citizens of the USA? it does not matter if Magatards are Citizens or not as they are still retarded Citizens (compared to alot of other Citizens i have little to no problems with).

    You falsely accuse those you do not like of being the racist that you are.

    The difference is i don’t try to make my s~~~ into the law.

    You do not even know what MAGA stands for.

    Yes it is a generic political slogan first used by Republican Jesus, Ronald Reagan in his 1980 run as Let’s Make America Great Again and also by Bill zip up your pants Clinton in 1992 in speeches (although not an official slogan of his campaign).

    No. It is another generalization to fit a group into a political box of the globalists.

    The difference it is natural to lump People in different camps just as White and Black even thou they are not all encompassing terms such as many different groups can be considered White and many different groups can be called Black. It is just an easier label to apply to a group with shared characteristics.

    Quality control is not gun control

    Ah yes as the Black guy who did time in the clink even if not a Criminal anymore would be bared from owning and carrying a firearm under the rules of the Republican party has always set forth (with Reagan as Governor of California being one of the first to promote it in the modern day). This whole thing is Guns for me for not for thee. Only Libertarians actually are against Gun control in most situations.

    President Trump has also talks about making CCW legal in all 50 States.

    Which appears to be dead at the moment especially since now there is a Democratic house he would have to deal with unlike last year but also that was just before the Parkland shooting.

    That was so much a fake false flag that even the corporate media could not keep that narrative going.

    Come on guys anything a Conservative does is a false flag but anything those Social Justice Warriors do is completely legit.

    Hitler and other high level members of the nazi command were vegans.

    And Hitler drank water, and Hitler ate food, and Hitler went to the bathroom,

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    I usually put the parties as being more in line with them such as the Republican party is close to Neo-Fascism which Conservatives (especially the big wigs) love to push. Examples include George W Bush and Donald Trump who both have Fascistic tendencies such as Bush with the Patriot act, the war on terror, NSA spying, the wars etc and Trump who has been reported to state how he wanted to invade Venezuela, bring back Torture, about taking the guns without due process, the promotion of political violence by wanting his fans to beat up a protester, stating he has the right to pardon himself etc.

    Obama continued those policies and made things worse. You turn a blind eye base on political association.

    That being said, the U.S. has been a fascist nation since 2007, where globalists turned the economy into a fascist economy, where by the globalists received tens of trillions in bailouts of electronically printed money while the workers are bankrupted.

    This is called, “privatize profits and socialized losses”.

    Fascism is the marriage of corporations and government.

    So yes Trump does have Fascistic traits and if you are a diehard Maga supporter then you do as well.

    MAGA and Trump support is a REJECTION of fascist policies by the corporate parts of government. This is why corporations are insane to overthrow him by any means possible.

    You have already outed yourself as a feminist SJW globalist follower whom is so shallow in HER thinking SHE cannot see the truth.

    You further outed yourself with this comment by you: “I am not a hard Statist so you are incorrect as i am not a right wing Fascist or a left wing Communistic Fascist”

    By this comment, you admit that you consider anyone you disagree with to be a “fascist”, yet you clearing DO NOT KNOW THESE TERMS MEAN.

    Fascism is the marriage of corporations and government. Fascist is born from the elitist levels of society to control all peoples and industry for the elitists own gain. Globalists are fascists. The globalist form of “nationalism” is “one world government” controlled completely by the globalists.

    Communism is born from the working class and poor. Communism is a rejection of elitist control.

    The MAGA movement is basically a modern form of workers communism.

    The people whom you disagree with are NOT fascist, but YOU serve fascists whom are globalists.

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    Obama continued those policies and made things worse

    Yes he did along with keeping the wars going, keeping Gitmo open and his Healthcare plan was a right wing concession without even a public option (meaning he wanted to force us to buy Healthcare from Private Insurance companies). When it comes to Democrats alot of garbage with them began around JFK (in the 1930’s and 40’s Democrat was the best choice to make politically) especially LBJ and the Republicans the last decent one (one who i would consider to even potentially get my vote would have been Ford or Nixon.

    But one of the beginnings of the modern day bulls~~~ goes back to Union busting/tax cutting Reagan as he set up Republicans once more to do bulls~~~ tax cuts for the rich, stripped Unions of power, opened up to having once Union Jobs shifted off to China and increased spending who’s policies lead to the recession in the early 90’s. In 1992 Democrats had a garbage follow up who ruled for the next 8 years pushing deregulation such as the removal of Glass–Steagall etc.

    U.S. has been a fascist nation since 2007, where globalists turned the economy into a fascist economy,

    I can argue it started earlier in part in the Civil war but fully realized in the Spanish American war and other wars to protect the Business interests.

    the globalists received tens of trillions in bailouts of electronically printed money while the workers are bankrupted.

    Which was because of the lacking regulation and tax cuts on the rich of the 2 Presidents of the time (Bill Clinton was no FDR) and also the fact that the rich got richer and the poorer got poorer due to the reduction of Unions.

    This is why corporations are insane to overthrow him by any means possible.

    Trump is not a fighter against Corporations policy wise rather a standard Republican. Trump is not pushing for increasing wages, increasing Unions rather Trump on occasion makes mean words to Companies that leave the US but in no way is being as Protectionist ad id like. It is basically a show for attention which got him more votes because People thought he would be for the Working class but it turns out he lied.

    You have already outed yourself as a feminist SJW globalist follower

    I already explained the first part. When it comes to SJW that is just a word used to ignore someone’s argument akin to Nazi or Communist without going into detail. When i call Trump a Neo Fascist or at least having Fascistic tendencies i back it up with evidence rather you see i don’t believe what you do and you call me an SJW. And when it comes to Globalist that is a bulls~~~ term to apply since i do not vote for nor promote war mongerers like Donald Trump or the Republican party (and yes i know Obama continued the wars and Clinton would have continued the same wars as Obama if not starting new ones).

    A Globalist is fine with the invasion of a foreign power for bulls~~~ reasons such as would be fine with Iraq or Afghanistan which do nothing to bring freedom to Nations but rather make them crumble even more (the Iraq war led to ISIS, Saddam should have stayed in power).

    “I am not a hard Statist

    Which i used because i am used to Libertarians stating anyone for any amount of Government action or control is a Statist (such as Taxation).

    Fascism is the marriage of corporations and government. Fascist is born from the elitist levels of society to control all peoples and industry for the elitists own gain

    And here is the actual definition gotten from a Dictionary

    a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism

    As long as there is a Dictator, as long as forceful surpression of opposition occur then there is Fascism despite the label. With Trump i consider him a man with Fascistic tendencies as exampled earlier.

    Communism is born from the working class and poor. Communism is a rejection of elitist control.

    Then the Soviet Union was an amazing group of Provinces then and not at all Elitist or controlling. Now the reason i know you are bulls~~~ting is Trump is not a Communist. I am not a Communist nor do i want Trump to be Communist but at least i know what the definition of Communism is and under Trump it does not apply to him as where has all Industry been Nationalized? is the control of the means of production in the Workers hands? what about land redistribution?

    At the very closet Trump is, is that him building a wall would demand he confiscate the land of others to do so as People have property where the Border is and Trump would build on that property.

    The MAGA movement is basically a modern form of workers communism.

    Ah no at the very most it is Pro worker because Illegal Immigrants drive down wages however Trump is anti Union, anti living wage etc.

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    his Healthcare plan was a right wing concession without even a public option (meaning he wanted to force us to buy Healthcare from Private Insurance companies).

    This one legit made me laugh out loud it was so stupid. Let us review the facts here. Obamacare was passed with 0 Republican votes. There was no need for a right wing concession. The reason Obama didn’t sign a bill that was just straight up single payer, or that included a public option, was because he couldn’t even get Democrats to fully support those ideas.

    Dropping a public option wasn’t a concession to Republicans who didn’t vote for it anyhow, it was a concession to moderate Democrats.

    Union busting/tax cutting Reagan

    Pretty funny here too, because you say those things like they are bad. Want the cold hard truth with unions? If they were good they wouldn’t need the government to enforce participation, people would willingly join them and union jobs would be the most competitive to get.

    Have you ever worked a union job? I spent 13 years in a private sector union. Let me tell you how it works. Every penny my employer paid towards my retirement went into the union pension fund. Its currently about 40% funded and declining. It will go broke long before I get to collect thanks to a combination of corruption, mismanagement, and previous generations promising themselves benefits they clearly didn’t fund properly. When I left the union I called the pension administrators and asked them to make me a lump sum offer to buy out my vested years. They said no. They’ll just give away my retirement and when its my turn to collect tell me sorry buddy, we got nothing left. Meanwhile I’ll hit my 4 year anniversary at my non-union job in a few months and already have over 100k combined in a 401k and an annuity account in my name which is so much better than being forced to dump money into a decaying union fund to support someone who didn’t adequately fund their own retirement knowing I’m going to get shafted down the road.

    Or how about government unions in my state. Pension payments are one of the biggest line items in the state budget right now, which is running a huge deficit, and will be increasing drastically in the next few years as boomers retire in droves. Its going to get to a point where pension payments make up almost 1/4 of the state budget…and that is the official estimates…reality will probably be worse. Back before I was born politicians were promising state unions amazing retirement packages for their votes…then they didn’t fund any of them as they wanted to keep taxes artificially low. Now we have massive unfunded liabilities because people who started their careers before I was even born voted themselves fat pensions and didn’t fund them when they were working. For some reason they now think I am obligated to pay far more taxes than they ever did to fund their retirements. F~~~ them.

    Bust Unions? Cut taxes? Yes please!

    As long as there is a Dictator, as long as forceful surpression of opposition occur then there is Fascism despite the label. With Trump i consider him a man with Fascistic tendencies as exampled earlier.

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    Wanna talk about attempting forceful surpression of the opposition since Trump has taken office? I can tell you the major offenders aren’t right wingers, they hate Trump, and they ironically call themselves anti fascists.

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    Obamacare was passed with 0 Republican votes.

    Which is irrelevant as the idea came about from right wingers to force us to buy Insurance from a Private market as Romneycare and other right wingers pushed the same thing and when it comes to Partisanship Republicans have more of it rather then the Centrist Democrats. You are more likely to have a Democrat concede to Republicans and vote on their ideas then a Republican doing the same for Democrats.

    Dropping a public option wasn’t a concession to Republicans who didn’t vote for it anyhow, it was a concession to moderate Democrats.

    A right wing policy would force us to buy from the Private market at threat of fine for not doing so. Obamacare did not give as a Public option despite the fact they could have passed even Single payer because Obama did not push for it as he never believed (or believes) in it. The closet we ever got to it was Hillary Clinton stating support however even she would likely have flip flopped especially since she could have used that to win in 2016 (and did not as they are paid off).

    people would willingly join them and union jobs would be the most competitive to get.

    Are you stating People do not willingly take Union Jobs even when there is generally higher wages and benefits despite Union fees and a means of Collective Bargaining? and the fact is as i mentioned Reagan the Union buster came in and reduced their power but also opened up to sending Jobs to China in so called free trade,

    Pension payments are one of the biggest line items in the state budget right now

    So you are against payment of Workers pensions despite many People working in the Government for decades? what is the Conservative solution? to cut the Pensions of those who worked decades for the Government even in important positions? but also it is not deception to have People working knowing they would get a Pension and then it to be cut out if not completely getting rid of it? the People you talk about with their Pensions worked for them.

    then they didn’t fund any of them as they wanted to keep taxes artificially low.

    Which was their fault for not increasing Taxes then.

    Bust Unions? Cut taxes? Yes please!

    Then America will continue to slide from number 3 to lower in the World (it lost the number 1 position awhile ago). More Unions equals a stronger Middle class and the busting of Unions has had a negative effect on it.

    Wanna talk about attempting forceful surpression of the opposition since Trump has taken office?

    You mean as some random Jews get shot for being in a Synagogue at the wrong time by some right winger? or what about other acts of violence done by right wingers that result in death then by left wingers in our current time? Antifa is more likely to be Assholes who block traffic, commit property damage and to try to fight People but the fact is right wingers are far more likely to murder People then the left wingers are.

    I can tell you the major offenders aren’t right wingers, they hate Trump, and they ironically call themselves anti fascists.

    I consider major offenders those who seriously injure or kill People which is far more likely to be done by right wingers.

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    Which is irrelevant as the idea came about from right wingers to force us to buy Insurance from a Private market as Romneycare and other right wingers pushed the same thing and when it comes to Partisanship Republicans have more of it rather then the Centrist Democrats.

    Romney…a moderate Republican from Mass…a far right winger? ROFL!!!!

    You are more likely to have a Democrat concede to Republicans and vote on their ideas then a Republican doing the same for Democrats.

    You mean, like when Democrats used the reconciliation process to push through Obamacare with zero republican votes?

    A right wing policy would force us to buy from the Private market at threat of fine for not doing so.

    Come on dude, you can’t truly be this stupid. One of the biggest thing right leaning people/groups were fighting against was the mandate…the very fact that the government was forcing them to buy a product from a private company.

    Obamacare did not give as a Public option despite the fact they could have passed even Single payer because Obama did not push for it as he never believed (or believes) in it. The closet we ever got to it was Hillary Clinton stating support however even she would likely have flip flopped especially since she could have used that to win in 2016 (and did not as they are paid off).

    Well that is funny…here is a video of Obama as a sitting President expressing his support of a public option while he addresses Congress.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZ3hxjPhnPM

    Additionally…here is an article from 2009 when the healthcare debate was raging talking about 2 democratic proposals for a public option that got shot down in the Senate because Democrats voted against them. Huffington Post is one of the most liberal sources you can imagine, and even they admit some Democrats voted against it for reasons that had nothing to do with Republicans at all.

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/29/the-five-democrats-who-vo_n_303700.html

    We got a little closer than Hillary Clinton talking about it on the campaign trail lol. Are you learning this stuff in college? You might want to ask for a refund if you have a teacher telling you this s~~~.

    Are you stating People do not willingly take Union Jobs even when there is generally higher wages and benefits despite Union fees and a means of Collective Bargaining?

    Yes. Do you know what a right to work state is?

    I’m by no means saying nobody ever wants to be in any union, I’m saying some unions suck and yes, people do refuse to join when given an option.

    and the fact is as i mentioned Reagan the Union buster came in and reduced their power but also opened up to sending Jobs to China in so called free trade,

    Well point 1 I’m ok with unions having limits on them, like I said, if a union is optional and beneficial people will want to join. If its there and it sucks but everyone is forced to join, how is that good?

    Point 2…you s~~~ on Reagan for supporting free trade. Obama and Hillary supported free trade. You’d rather vote for Hillary even though she supports a policy you are s~~~ting on Reagan for?

    Trump obviously does not support free trade. You s~~~ on Trump’s policies. You don’t even make any sense lol.

    So you are against payment of Workers pensions despite many People working in the Government for decades? what is the Conservative solution? to cut the Pensions of those who worked decades for the Government even in important positions? but also it is not deception to have People working knowing they would get a Pension and then it to be cut out if not completely getting rid of it? the People you talk about with their Pensions worked for them.

    I would cut them severely because…

    Which was their fault for not increasing Taxes then.

    They should pay for the consequences of their actions. If they actually funded them when they were working I’d be happy for them. The fact that they didn’t fund them and now demand payment is bulls~~~.

    Do you know what happens to private sector pensions that run out of money? They collect a fraction of their benefits from an insurance payout. Government pensions should be treated the same.

    Then America will continue to slide from number 3 to lower in the World (it lost the number 1 position awhile ago). More Unions equals a stronger Middle class and the busting of Unions has had a negative effect on it.

    You just can’t get it through your head that some unions suck. If a worker is given the option of joining a union with a defined union pay scale and benefits package, or given a non-union option with a pay band and benefits package…how is it bad for the worker to be able to choose which one will benefit them the most? Like I said…if the union is good for them, they’ll pick it.

    I consider major offenders those who seriously injure or kill People which is far more likely to be done by right wingers.

    Well unfortunately for you, that isn’t what defines a fascist and I’m not going by your made up bulls~~~. Sure radical right wingers kill more people each year, but there are a hell of a lot less of them. You’ll get that one radical right winger who shoots a few people for political reasons and he’s in the headlines for months…but in reality its just one fascist. A few thousand antifa rioting, burning, looting, beating people, burning s~~~, etc is a few thousand fascists…hence there are a ton more fascists and a lot more fascist behavior on the left.

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    Whoa, what ignorance you show.

    Yes he did along with keeping the wars going, keeping Gitmo open and his Healthcare plan was a right wing concession without even a public option

    You claim Obamacare was a “right wing concession” when ONLY DEMOCRATS VOTED IN CONGRESS FOR OBAMACARE.

    But one of the beginnings of the modern day bulls~~~ goes back to Union busting/tax cutting Reagan as he set up Republicans once more to do bulls~~~ tax cuts for the rich, stripped Unions of power, opened up to having once Union Jobs shifted off to China and increased spending who’s policies lead to the recession in the early 90’s.

    From some of your comments, I along with a few others believe you were not alive during President Reagan’s Administration. As someone that was alive then I will tell you that you do not know jack-s~~~ on what you are talking about.

    The only union-busting Reagan did was over air-traffic controllers striking and bringing the nation to a halt. As for the 1987 stock crash was due to loan policies put in place under President Carter (look up S&L loan scandal).

    The Cold War and Drug Fighting are topics which would take to long to get into.

    I can argue it started earlier in part in the Civil war but fully realized in the Spanish American war and other wars to protect the Business interests.

    Actually, this goes all the way back to European 30 Years where which was the last full major shift of internal world order matters. Though, a number of the more powerful organizations presently in place did not come to power until the English-China Opium Wars of the 1840’s and 1850’s.

    Which was because of the lacking regulation and tax cuts on the rich of the 2 Presidents of the time (Bill Clinton was no FDR) and also the fact that the rich got richer and the poorer got poorer due to the reduction of Unions.

    What the hell have you been taught, because it is clearly not the truth. Bill Clinton signed into law one of the largest tax hikes by dropping the rate that Alternative Minimum Tax to $250,000 a year which screwed over a lot of upper-middle class and “rich” people.

    FDR attempted to seize control of industry and high taxes to the point he experienced an attempted coup (Bonus Army Rebellion) and the Supreme Court (which he stacked) knocked down a lot of his policies.

    Trump is not a fighter against Corporations policy wise rather a standard Republican.

    President Trump is trying to keep the U.S. from collapsing.

    When i call Trump a Neo Fascist or at least having Fascistic tendencies i back it up with evidence rather you see i don’t believe what you do and you call me an SJW.

    I have not seen any evidence, only ignorant accusations lacking facts to back you up.

    A Globalist is fine with the invasion of a foreign power for bulls~~~ reasons such as would be fine with Iraq or Afghanistan which do nothing to bring freedom to Nations but rather make them crumble even more (the Iraq war led to ISIS, Saddam should have stayed in power).

    The reason the globalists are in the Middle East is over opium, oil, and natural gas.

    Which i used because i am used to Libertarians stating anyone for any amount of Government action or control is a Statist (such as Taxation).

    I do not believe you know what libertarians are.

    And here is the actual definition gotten from a Dictionary

    A definition by the same globalists whom have their progressive servants falsely accuse populism of being fascist.

    Here is a history lesson, the idea of fascism was started in the 1890’s, with fascism really taking root in Italy. Fascism was developed by elitists in the believed the upper class knew was best for everyone else, but these upper class were not nobility, so they needed something to marry their power to government to justify doing so. They choose corporatism to marry to government.

    Then the Soviet Union was an amazing group of Provinces then and not at all Elitist or controlling.

    I have been saying the Soviets are proto-fascists.

    At the very closet Trump is, is that him building a wall would demand he confiscate the land of others to do so as People have property where the Border is and Trump would build on that property.

    Anti-americans buy up property along the border to block the building of the wall only to have government justly compensate them for the land for the wall.

    Most governments of the world will just seize property, but laws in the U.S. have people compensated for their property.

    Ah no at the very most it is Pro worker because Illegal Immigrants drive down wages however Trump is anti Union, anti living wage etc.

    You statement is so ignorant on a lot of topics. You clearly only support the law when doing so benefits you, but you hate when the law is applied to you and those you care about.

    As for President Trump being anti-union and anti-living wage. President Trump has a long history with working with workers unions, this is why he won Michigan, Pennsylvania, and other “rustbelt” states because the union members VOTED FOR HIM. And the whole point to his policies is to increase wages for U.S. workers.

    It sounds like YOU are anti-living wage.

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    You claim Obamacare was a “right wing concession” when ONLY DEMOCRATS VOTED IN CONGRESS FOR OBAMACARE.

    Obamacare is tied with an earlier bill pushed by the Heritage Foundation in 1993 as they fought against Single payer and pushed for their plan (which is similar to Obamacare in a good deal) instead especially with the Individual mandate (which forces us to buy Insurance from the Private market), covering for pre-existing conditions (the one benefit) and others so while the die hard Conservatives did not push it it was still pushed by the same People who pushed Ronald Reagan.

    I along with a few others believe you were not alive during President Reagan’s Administration

    Which is irrelevant so while yes i was not alive while Reagan was President that has no bearing on the argument against Reagan. When i see the policies of Reagan i see generally negative policies and even an act of Treason by him against the United States.

    The only union-busting Reagan did was over air-traffic controllers striking and bringing the nation to a halt. As for the 1987 stock crash

    Which he fought against their Union and their rights as Workers and when it comes to the 1987 crash Reagan had his part but also a part in the 1990 crash caused by his Policies.

    Bill Clinton signed into law one of the largest tax hikes by dropping the rate that Alternative Minimum Tax to $250,000 a year

    My mistake on the tax part for Clinton rather he was for Deregulation and free trade (both of which are still negative to the Country).

    FDR attempted to seize control of industry and high taxes to the point he experienced an attempted coup

    You mean how Big Business plotted to overthrow FDR for their own Business interests? yes they tried that but the fact is FDR was still one of the most popular Presidents of the day who got elected to 4 terms in office and had Policies which helped the common People? the Coup was not something akin to Cuba revolting against American control rather the attempt during FDR was (again) about big Business fighting for their interests.

    President Trump is trying to keep the U.S. from collapsing.

    Which is not occurring but even if it was it has more to deal with the Centrist/right wing Policies which fight for the interests of Corporations instead of People which is exactly what Trump does. And it also depends on how you define collaspe as if you mean as the powerhouse of the World, as the number 1 Country for freedom etc then it has already fallen.

    I have not seen any evidence, only ignorant accusations lacking facts to back you up.

    So a man who is pro Torture, thinks he can (or should) nuke Venezuela, questions if he can pardon himself, states Police can take the Guns away without any due process, wants to give the Police more Military grade Weapons and has promoted his fans to commit violence. So yes Trump at least have tendencies of a Fascist.

    I do not believe you know what libertarians are.

    I do know what a good number of their resources are owned/sponsored and who their idealogy promotes.

    Anti-americans buy up property along the border to block the building of the wall only to have government justly compensate them for the land for the wall.

    That assumes the Land someone’s great grandpappy bought back in the olden days was bought to intentionally stop a f~~~head with a muskrat and his head to build a wall without problems but i am fine with those evil Anti-Americans buying land on the border to conflict with Trump’s wall. It is great to know if Trump’s wall ever gets built there will be decades of Lawsuits against the Government for it.

    President Trump has a long history with working with workers unions, this is why he won Michigan, Pennsylvania, and other “rustbelt” states because the union members VOTED FOR HIM. And the whole point to his policies is to increase wages for U.S. workers.

    Trump is against the increasing of the Minimum wage to a living wage and other Worker protections and the reason he won the rust belt is Hillary Clinton’s Husband promoted free trade and shipping the Jobs out to where they thought they were gonna get Populist ideas implemented by Trump. It turns out that it was complete bulls~~~ but that is how Trump won the election and if Trump gets to 2020 someone like Bernie Sanders would easily beat him and the last time those 2 you mentioned (Michigan and Pennsylania) where red before 2016 was in 1988. All elections from 1992 to 2012 is where the Democrats won even in 2004 when Bush did a better job then before.

    Just an east coast asshole who likes to curse, If you get offended by words like fuck, cunt, shit, piss, bitch or any racial slurs then you just scroll down.

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    Obamacare is tied with an earlier bill pushed by the Heritage Foundation in 1993 as they fought against Single payer and pushed for their plan (which is similar to Obamacare in a good deal) instead especially with the Individual mandate (which forces us to buy Insurance from the Private market), covering for pre-existing conditions (the one benefit) and others so while the die hard Conservatives did not push it it was still pushed by the same People who pushed Ronald Reagan.

    Did you know Democrats founded the KKK and the man who freed the slaves, Abraham Lincoln was a Republican? By your logic if you don’t support Republicans, you support the KKK.

    #884104
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    I made it 4min into the video and had to stop after all the repeated clips of the pagan Satan Claws in his red and white robe and the lawyer saying “Those last dollars could make the difference of taking a vacation, going out to eat or going to the movies.” Which of those 3 things is really important?

    None of them in my eyes.

    No Wife - No Strife

    #884133
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    Did you know Democrats founded the KKK

    Did you know that the same Democrats shifted to the Republican party decades later after other Democrats joined in on the Civil rights act which split the Democratic party up and had the South start voting Republican in greater numbers? or what about how Barry Goldwater (a Republican) ran against LBJ on the basis of promoting Segregation via States rights (meaning the Government cannot force Intergretation on the States and he carried 6 Southern States in the 1964 election? or what about how the Republican party is the biggest ones to appeal to Racism in the modern era.

    The most Racist the modern Democrats are is by trying to push s~~~ty Politicians on the basis of Race (like Cory Booker or Kamala Harris but even Republicans are guilty of this sin (John Mccain and Sarah Palin).

    and the man who freed the slaves, Abraham Lincoln was a Republican?

    Even if Republicans were the best leaders in the 1800’s that has no bearing on what they are in the modern era especially since Parties shift to where Democrats were arguing against Segregation and the Republicans began arguing for the States rights to practice Segregation.

    By your logic if you don’t support Republicans, you support the KKK.

    Aside from the fact that the harder Trump supporters are more likely to be Racists in some manner.

    Just an east coast asshole who likes to curse, If you get offended by words like fuck, cunt, shit, piss, bitch or any racial slurs then you just scroll down.

    #884188
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    Did you know that the same Democrats shifted to the Republican party decades later after other Democrats joined in on the Civil rights act which split the Democratic party up and had the South start voting Republican in greater numbers? or what about how Barry Goldwater (a Republican) ran against LBJ on the basis of promoting Segregation via States rights (meaning the Government cannot force Intergretation on the States and he carried 6 Southern States in the 1964 election? or what about how the Republican party is the biggest ones to appeal to Racism in the modern era.

    All irrelevant. Democrats started it, they own it eternally. Nobody is allowed to change their mind or disagree with the party line. That is all you keep trying to argue, don’t try to shift the logic when it does’t play out how you want it.

    The most Racist the modern Democrats are is by trying to push s~~~ty Politicians on the basis of Race (like Cory Booker or Kamala Harris but even Republicans are guilty of this sin (John Mccain and Sarah Palin).

    Its not that they are promoting s~~~ty politicians, its that they are promoting RACISTS. Kamala Harris just attacked a federal judge nominee on the basis of him being a white male Catholic. A few weeks ago Democrats were just celebrating the first Muslim woman being elected to congress.

    White male Catholic = bad. Non-white female Muslim = good.

    Here is another interesting one…did you know Bill Clinton used to golf at an all white country club? No racism there, huh?

    Or how about your lord and savior Obama.

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    Rubbing elbows and accepting campaign donations from Louis Farrakhan. Here is a few quotes from Mr. Farrakhan.

    “White people are potential humans – they haven’t evolved yet.”

    “The white man is our mortal enemy”

    “White people deserve to die”

    I’m not denying there are right leaning racists, with pretty much half the country leaning to the right you’d have to be stupid to think there aren’t any, but you’d have to be equally as stupid to think there aren’t racists on the left. The main stream media just doesn’t like to give it the same coverage because they are heavily biased, if you haven’t figured that out yet.

    Even if Republicans were the best leaders in the 1800’s that has no bearing on what they are in the modern era especially since Parties shift to where Democrats were arguing against Segregation and the Republicans began arguing for the States rights to practice Segregation.

    Fact…a higher percentage of of Republicans than Democrats in both he house and the senate voted for the Civil Rights act in 1964. I don’t know why you keep talking about some shift like it was 100s of years ago.

    The only shift in racist views the democrats have seen is they’ve gone from the party of the KKK to the anti-white party.

    Aside from the fact that the harder Trump supporters are more likely to be Racists in some manner.

    Only because “special” people like you think racism only comes from whites.

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    Did you know that the same Democrats shifted to the Republican party decades later after other Democrats joined in on the Civil rights act which split the Democratic party up and had the South start voting Republican in greater numbers? or what about how Barry Goldwater (a Republican) ran against LBJ on the basis of promoting Segregation via States rights (meaning the Government cannot force Intergretation on the States and he carried 6 Southern States in the 1964 election? or what about how the Republican party is the biggest ones to appeal to Racism in the modern era.

    All irrelevant. Democrats started it, they own it eternally. Nobody is allowed to change their mind or disagree with the party line. That is all you keep trying to argue, don’t try to shift the logic when it does’t play out how you want it.

    The most Racist the modern Democrats are is by trying to push s~~~ty Politicians on the basis of Race (like Cory Booker or Kamala Harris but even Republicans are guilty of this sin (John Mccain and Sarah Palin).

    Its not that they are promoting s~~~ty politicians, its that they are promoting RACISTS. Kamala Harris just attacked a federal judge nominee on the basis of him being a white male Catholic. A few weeks ago Democrats were just celebrating the first Muslim woman being elected to congress.
    White male Catholic = bad. Non-white female Muslim = good.
    Here is another interesting one…did you know Bill Clinton used to golf at an all white country club? No racism there, huh?
    Or how about your lord and savior Obama.
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    Rubbing elbows and accepting campaign donations from Louis Farrakhan. Here is a few quotes from Mr. Farrakhan.
    “White people are potential humans – they haven’t evolved yet.”
    “The white man is our mortal enemy”
    “White people deserve to die”
    I’m not denying there are right leaning racists, with pretty much half the country leaning to the right you’d have to be stupid to think there aren’t any, but you’d have to be equally as stupid to think there aren’t racists on the left. The main stream media just doesn’t like to give it the same coverage because they are heavily biased, if you haven’t figured that out yet.

    Even if Republicans were the best leaders in the 1800’s that has no bearing on what they are in the modern era especially since Parties shift to where Democrats were arguing against Segregation and the Republicans began arguing for the States rights to practice Segregation.

    Fact…a higher percentage of of Republicans than Democrats in both he house and the senate voted for the Civil Rights act in 1964. I don’t know why you keep talking about some shift like it was 100s of years ago.
    The only shift in racist views the democrats have seen is they’ve gone from the party of the KKK to the anti-white party.

    Aside from the fact that the harder Trump supporters are more likely to be Racists in some manner.

    Only because “special” people like you think racism only comes from whites.

    “Racism” is just a tool used by those on the left because they have no leg to stand on. They don’t want to work together for the benefit of the country. They want power and all they know how to do is make accusations about anyone they don’t like. Once they call someone a racist, that someone is left with the burden of proving that they’re not a racist, which is a waste of time for everyone and nothing good can get done.

    The left just wants to tear down and destroy. They have nothing good to offer. They complain, provoke, accuse………..they want to control.

    The evil in women’s hearts leaves them no moral bounds as to inhibit them from descending to the lowest levels of darkness to acquire their self entitled desires.

    #884199
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    Faust For Science
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    Obamacare is tied with an earlier bill pushed by the Heritage Foundation in 1993 as they fought against Single payer and pushed for their plan (which is similar to Obamacare in a good deal) instead especially with the Individual mandate (which forces us to buy Insurance from the Private market), covering for pre-existing conditions (the one benefit) and others so while the die hard Conservatives did not push it it was still pushed by the same People who pushed Ronald Reagan.

    I was alive in 1993, and the main people pushing single payer healthcare were the democrats, with it being a campaign promised by the Clintons in 1992.

    Before the plan was known as Obamacare, it was known as Hillarycare.

    It was so disliked by the working class that the Republicans took the House in 1994 election. This was the point where the democrats as a party started to become openly hateful towards the working class.

    Which is irrelevant so while yes i was not alive while Reagan was President that has no bearing on the argument against Reagan.

    Which means you do not know what you are talking about. In addition, you are at most 30 years old, though from your attitude you are more likely a teenager, as others on this thread believe.

    When i see the policies of Reagan i see generally negative policies and even an act of Treason by him against the United States.

    Which policies by President Reagan do you consider to be “treason”? It is time for you to either put up or shut up.

    And I will be highly disappointed if you claim tax cuts, or Iran-Contra were the acts of treason. The tax cuts helped people. As for Iran-Contra that was Bush Sr’s s~~~show.

    Which he fought against their Union and their rights as Workers and when it comes to the 1987 crash Reagan had his part but also a part in the 1990 crash caused by his Policies.

    The “rights as workers” congressional bills you are talking about would have MANDATED ALL NON-EXECUTIVE JOBS BE UNION JOBS! No small businesses, nor local businesses. Everything would have had to go through the Union bosses in New York and New Jersey.

    You need to look up “right to work” laws before you talk about such topics.

    I already pointed out causes of the 1987 crash. As for the 1990 crash was deal to the collapsing of the Soviet Union and political shifts in the Middle East.

    My mistake on the tax part for Clinton rather he was for Deregulation and free trade (both of which are still negative to the Country).

    More than you know. Bush Sr. organized NAFTA, but Bill Clinton signed the treaty after the democrat Senate ratified it.

    NAFTA no only f~~~ed over U.S. workers but Mexican farmers by banning Mexican farmers from organizing cooperative group buying for Mexican farmers.

    You mean how Big Business plotted to overthrow FDR for their own Business interests?

    Those big businesses put him in power and then FDR betrayed them.

    There is a LOT OF INFORMATION on FDR which is not mention present day.

    yes they tried that but the fact is FDR was still one of the most popular Presidents of the day who got elected to 4 terms in office and had Policies which helped the common People?

    As Stalin put it, it is not who votes but who counts the votes.

    For the record, I talked to my grandparents and they told me they and their families at the time hated FDR for pushing the same tyrannical globalist policies the globalists are doing today.

    By the way, look it up. FDR was buddy-buddies with Stalin and Hitler. FDR wanted to work with both Stalin and Hitler in a dictatorial partnership.

    If FDR had not gotten sicker, he would have kept Stalin and Hitler peaceful with them dividing up the world.

    the Coup was not something akin to Cuba revolting against American control rather the attempt during FDR was (again) about big Business fighting for their interests.

    I never said it was. But, it is interesting how the Cuban communist revolt is your “go-to” example for a revolution.

    Which is not occurring but even if it was it has more to deal with the Centrist/right wing Policies which fight for the interests of Corporations instead of People which is exactly what Trump does. And it also depends on how you define collaspe as if you mean as the powerhouse of the World, as the number 1 Country for freedom etc then it has already fallen.

    The same people doing business with Russia for decades scream it is treason for President Trump to even talk to Russian in the hopes for peace.

    The same people supporting war in the middle east scream treason for President Trump to pull the U.S. out of middle east in the hopes for peace.

    The same people profiting off of NAFTA scream it is treason for President Trump to want to pull out and replace NAFTA with a agreement that no only helps U.S. workers but Mexican workers. Look up the new agreement, Mexican workers will get a huge boost in wages.

    So a man who is pro Torture,

    The only accusation of “torture” connected to President Trump was an basically accusation not directly connected to President Trump but his nomination and now head of the CIA, Gina Haspel, concerning unverified reports of her actions in Thailand.

    thinks he can (or should) nuke Venezuela,

    I believe you are confused on this.

    questions if he can pardon himself,

    Every president asks that question.

    states Police can take the Guns away without any due process,

    Now you are projecting because those are democrat states that pushed those laws, with a Maryland man already dead over such laws:

    wants to give the Police more Military grade Weapons and has promoted his fans to commit violence.

    There is nothing wrong about given such weapons and equipment to local police. The local police are more likely to resist would-be tyrants, like the democrats dream of becoming.

    So yes Trump at least have tendencies of a Fascist.

    Only one of these topics you listed is “fascist” that is “gun control” concerning laws passed by democrats that you and your progressive SJWs support with you are projecting these accusations on President Trump.

    I do know what a good number of their resources are owned/sponsored and who their idealogy promotes.

    List your sources?

    That assumes the Land someone’s great grandpappy bought back in the olden days was bought to intentionally stop a f~~~head with a muskrat and his head to build a wall without problems but i am fine with those evil Anti-Americans buying land on the border to conflict with Trump’s wall. It is great to know if Trump’s wall ever gets built there will be decades of Lawsuits against the Government for it.

    Those Ranchers openly support the border wall to protect them from smugglers.

    The only lawsuits you are talking about are by eco-fascists whom consider the lives of animals to be more important than the lives of U.S. citizens.

    Trump is against the increasing of the Minimum wage to a living wage and other Worker protections and the reason he won the rust belt is Hillary Clinton’s Husband promoted free trade and shipping the Jobs out to where they thought they were gonna get Populist ideas implemented by Trump.

    Talk about double-speak. You cannot defend the Clintons so you claim that President Trump is just as bad.

    Wages and earnings for workers have increased under President Trump, while goods and expenses have decreased in many U.S. states. The price of gasoline is dropping like a rock.

    It turns out that it was complete bulls~~~ but that is how Trump won the election and if Trump gets to 2020 someone like Bernie Sanders would easily beat him and the last time those 2 you mentioned (Michigan and Pennsylania) where red before 2016 was in 1988. All elections from 1992 to 2012 is where the Democrats won even in 2004 when Bush did a better job then before.

    You mind is so twisted by the fact you cannot acknowledge that the working class did not vote for you “queen” and instead they voted for a man whom keeps his promises.

    From your statements, you are likely a SJW feminist teenager with a foreign background, whom does not know about the topics she comments on.

    If you are going to play this game, at least know what you are talking about. Crack open a book, follow the money, see what is really going on. Do not let other people tell you what to think. Learn to think for yourself.

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    Did you know Democrats founded the KKK

    Did you know that the same Democrats shifted to the Republican party decades later after other Democrats joined in on the Civil rights act which split the Democratic party up and had the South start voting Republican in greater numbers? or what about how Barry Goldwater (a Republican) ran against LBJ on the basis of promoting Segregation via States rights (meaning the Government cannot force Intergretation on the States and he carried 6 Southern States in the 1964 election? or what about how the Republican party is the biggest ones to appeal to Racism in the modern era.
    The most Racist the modern Democrats are is by trying to push s~~~ty Politicians on the basis of Race (like Cory Booker or Kamala Harris but even Republicans are guilty of this sin (John Mccain and Sarah Palin).

    and the man who freed the slaves, Abraham Lincoln was a Republican?

    Even if Republicans were the best leaders in the 1800’s that has no bearing on what they are in the modern era especially since Parties shift to where Democrats were arguing against Segregation and the Republicans began arguing for the States rights to practice Segregation.

    By your logic if you don’t support Republicans, you support the KKK.

    Aside from the fact that the harder Trump supporters are more likely to be Racists in some manner.

    You really believe that all that matters is a person’s skin color, gender, and place of origin.

    Actions be damned. You believe people should be just solely on matters beyond their control. With many of your judgements based on lies, false accusations, and blood libels.

    By the way, the reason LBJ won his election is because the establishment boycotted Goldwater’s campaign, with Goldwater not having any money to campaign on.

    #884203
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    Which means you do not know what you are talking about. In addition, you are at most 30 years old, though from your attitude you are more likely a teenager, as others on this thread believe.

    Gravel Pit dug up this thread recently…

    What form of housing should i chose after i finish highschool that is cheap?

    Posted 2016, referenced graduating high school in a few years. I’m guessing that would put him around 17-18 in his senior year of high school now. Well let’s be honest, he was probably held back at least 3 times, so probably more like 20 in his senior year of high school. Who knows maybe he’s first year of college right now and went to go live on campus as some expensive liberal arts school and after looking at his loan balance for the first time thinks its a good idea to start voting for the people with the most chance of giving him some sort of debt relief when he graduates.

    Big picture though we have a dip s~~~ who probably isn’t working or paying taxes with zero life experience trying to tell us how big government is good for us, how things should work, and how we are racist if we don’t agree. In other words, we have a prime example of everything that is wrong with the modern day liberal right here.

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    Which means you do not know what you are talking about. In addition, you are at most 30 years old, though from your attitude you are more likely a teenager, as others on this thread believe.

    Gravel Pit dug up this thread recently…

    What form of housing should i chose after i finish highschool that is cheap?

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    Posted 2016, referenced graduating high school in a few years. I’m guessing that would put him around 17-18 in his senior year of high school now. Well let’s be honest, he was probably held back at least 3 times, so probably more like 20 in his senior year of high school. Who knows maybe he’s first year of college right now and went to go live on campus as some expensive liberal arts school and after looking at his loan balance for the first time thinks its a good idea to start voting for the people with the most chance of giving him some sort of debt relief when he graduates.
    Big picture though we have a dip s~~~ who probably isn’t working or paying taxes with zero life experience trying to tell us how big government is good for us, how things should work, and how we are racist if we don’t agree. In other words, we have a prime example of everything that is wrong with the modern day liberal right here.

    Oh man, so you guys have been arguing with a child all along. What a waste of time.

    The evil in women’s hearts leaves them no moral bounds as to inhibit them from descending to the lowest levels of darkness to acquire their self entitled desires.

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    Big picture though we have a dip s~~~ who probably isn’t working or paying taxes with zero life experience trying to tell us how big government is good for us, how things should work, and how we are racist if we don’t agree. In other words, we have a prime example of everything that is wrong with the modern day liberal right here.

    I do not care if a person works or not. Most of us here have had rough times and some have check out of society on occasion to live away from people.

    That being said, I do not like when people do not bother to research topics before commenting on them.

    Now, there are intelligent liberals out there. While I will disagree with them, they back their augments with knowledge and a workable chain of logic. But, willful ignorance is no constructive in any way, shape, or form.

    Oh man, so you guys have been arguing with a child all along. What a waste of time.

    It depends on how you look at the situation.

    I am debating with someone to keep my debating skills sharp.

    Most of the forums online have been corrupted with SJWs to the point it is impossible to get a good debate going elsewhere.

    Also, to be honest, most of the time I agree with posters on this forum, so it is rare for me to debate here. Comment, yes. Agree, yes. Add to the discussion, yes. But, not debate.

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    I do not care if a person works or not. Most of us here have had rough times and some have check out of society on occasion to live away from people.

    Its not so much the not working thing, its that his life time tax contributions at this point are pretty much nothing, yet here he is running his mouth about how great big government his. I’m not a big fan of people telling me how to spend my money, let alone someone who isn’t putting any money where his mouth is.

    Plus voting to empower a large, gynocentric government pretty much goes against the whole concept of “going your own way.” No need to get married to let a woman control your life, just let women do it through the government instead…that makes a lot of sense.

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