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RoyDal 3 years, 9 months ago.
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To the guys here, talking about feminism and how it’s ruining everything: you guys legitimately sound like conspiracy theorists. I didn’t like the new Luke either, thought she was just poorly written (and obnoxious hero), but that doesn’t mean she’s feminist propaganda. Yes, the story doesn’t hold up from a plot perspective. Yes, you’re right she’s OP. But since when has any Hollywood movie had a good plot?
Then what was is it exactly? A Mary Sue that can do everything, even better than a guy who owned and modified his ship for decades? Master the force and lightsaber combat in 2 minutes when men in this story need extensive training and still get their asses handed to them?
White knight in her friend zone.
At the end, they don’t even send Chebacca or R2 to meet Luke, but this person we don’t know get’s to go?
Besides, the female pilots thing was really realistic: It’s been decades, everything’s been conquered by the men, everyone’s safe now, and the now established and secure Republic no doubt has had its feminist movement and affirmative action.
You’re comparing pilots who were just doing their job to the feats Rey was pulling off?
This movie was social conditioning with a coat of Star Wars paint. It’s Star Wars for the PC/SJW/hipster generation.
Fuck this planet.I am renewing my vow: No money for Disney from me!
Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?
Girls should be mothers, not Jedi Knights
ramzpaulI agree with ramzpaul on this one! Key quote: “Feminists hate women.” It’s true! It’s true!
Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?
Funny you should mention that RoyDal. I found this interesting article on how Rey is not an example of what modern feminist are: http://judgybitch.com/2016/01/01/5-ways-rey-kicks-feminists-in-the-face/
And after some thought, the article makes some interesting points. But, there are other points, as well.
And except for her instant expert status, Rey’s character is not really that much of a modern feminist. She is has a independent personality that is rough around the edges, but that is due to the life she has been forced to lead as a scavenger.
She is not trying to live off of anyone, nor is she trying to rope someone to live off of.
She is brave. She does not play the victim card.
She only left the planet Jakku because someone was shoot her. And she was more than willing to return to that planet, instead of go on an adventure.
Also, Rey has been a chaste in the movie. While there were a few hugs and kisses from her to some of the other characters, I did not get a sense of any romantic attachments forming between her or Finn, or the others.
And given the dog eat dog life Rey was in, as shown when Finn was trying to get water on Jakku, I doubt she has had a chance to find a someone to date.
Also, being able to survive in such an environment shows Rey is intelligent.
It is clear by the end of the movie, the reason Rey is going to see Luke is that she realizes she needs to learn how to defend herself, because some of the most dangerous people in the galaxy are not after her.
Rey has that traits of an Athena style female warrior archetype. Intelligent, brave, independent, and chaste. Everything feminists hate.
Also, from a mindset standpoint, these traits would make Rey a very good jedi. Remember, Jedi are not suppose to have emotional attachments. Something Anakin never learned.
If it was not for the “instant expert” issues, I think a number of MGTOW members here would have respect her as a character. And I believe those issues will be addressed in episode 8.
On another note, about Kylo Ren. Something has been bugging about him. And I finally figured out what it is. It is clear that Kylo Ren was inspired by the Prince Zuko character Avatar the Last Airbender. Only without a Iroh to hold him back.
Let us look at the parallels between Zuko and Kylo Ren.
In the early Avatar series Zuko was an emo-manchild. (Zuko got better.) Kylo Ren is an emo-manchild.
Both are only partly trained in their powers. Zuko for firebending. Kylo Ren for the force. Though, Zuko is really got with swords, while Kylo Ren needs some more training with his lightsaber.
Both have status in their organizations, with a command rank. But, they act independent of the main organization they are with. Though, neither are respected by the rest of the organization they are with.
Both of them are hunting for someone, due to them trying to live up to someone, to make them proud.
Zuko was handing the Avatar in attempt to make his father respect him. Kylo Ren was hunting Luke to try to live up the what he perceived was the expectations that his material grandfather, (Anakin/Vader) would want him to be. (I doubt I was the only one creeped out by Kylo Ren talking to the charred, severed head of Vader, as if he was expecting a reply. Yea. This guy is not fully there upstairs.)
When given a chance towards the light, both of them decided to instead go towards the darkness. Zuko betrayed the Avatar and Iroh (though he later regretted it.) Kylo Ren killed his father Han Solo.
This does up open an insight into the Kylo Ren character and what might happened to him in the next two movies.
If it was not for the “instant expert” issues, I think a number of MGTOW members here would have respect her as a character. And I believe those issues will be addressed in episode 8.
If she hadn’t been written as an overpowered Mary Sue, we’d like her. I think you’re finally on to something.
Skillful writing can be sometimes mistaken for bad writing, if the whole story has yet to be revealed.
When you have to start depending on arguments like that, you stop arguing.
I’m sure the ladies on the right argued the same thing. “O you just don’t understand art….”If she hadn’t been written as an overpowered Mary Sue, we’d like her. I think you’re finally on to something.
Thank you. And I think these issues will be addressed in the next movie. I prefer to reserve judgement on that matter until then.
When you have to start depending on arguments like that, you stop arguing.
I am just pointing out that it is an incomplete story.
On the pictures. That is a little uncalled for. Some women are wonderful painters and writers.
And except for her instant expert status, Rey’s character is not really that much of a modern feminist. She is has a independent personality that is rough around the edges, but that is due to the life she has been forced to lead as a scavenger.
She is not trying to live off of anyone, nor is she trying to rope someone to live off of.
She is brave. She does not play the victim card.[quote]
1. Which is bulls~~~ because women are always pulling the victiom card, living off the government nipple and getting free s~~~ from men. Feminist or not.
2. This makes her more of a Mary Sue as not only is she an expert at everything, she’s morally superior as well!
[quote]Also, Rey has been a chaste in the movie. While there were a few hugs and kisses from her to some of the other characters, I did not get a sense of any romantic attachments forming between her or Finn, or the others.
So, no gina tingles? Maybe she would have got them is she saw Poe. Also, don’t forget Finn went straight to the friend zone.
Also, being able to survive in such an environment shows Rey is intelligent.
I survived my divorce that cost me thousands of dollars. I had to scrimp and save and sacrifice. Does that make me intelligent?
It is clear by the end of the movie, the reason Rey is going to see Luke is that she realizes she needs to learn how to defend herself, because some of the most dangerous people in the galaxy are not after her.
How come the people Luke new for 30 years stayed by the Falcon?
Rey has that traits of an Athena style female warrior archetype. Intelligent, brave, independent, and chaste. Everything feminists hate.
Then they love this character why?
Also, from a mindset standpoint, these traits would make Rey a very good jedi. Remember, Jedi are not suppose to have emotional attachments. Something Anakin never learned.
That is PT bulls~~~.
If it was not for the “instant expert” issues, I think a number of MGTOW members here would have respect her as a character. And I believe those issues will be addressed in episode 8.
Yes we would have. Kind of like Ellen Ripley, who actually is bad ass. Did she have a s~~~ fit when Hicks was showing her how to use the pulse rifle? By the end of Aliens I wanted Ripley to rip the head off the queen. At the end of TFA, I wanted Kylo Ren to kill Rey. Violently.
How will this be addressed in Ep. 8? I’ve already stated that Disney won’t let anything happen to one of their precious princesses and there is nowhere for this character to go. As I also have already stated, Rey will show Luke the ways of the force and tell him what he did wrong. Pass.
You also think it’s a coincidence that in that new Peter Pan movie Hook was a bumbling idiot and Tiger Lily was a ‘strong woman’?
Why are you defending this character?
Fuck this planet.@faust For Science
Seriously? With the JB article? Let’s read the last sentence, shall we?
She has too much goodness in her to ever fall to the Dark Side.
From the comments:
Cadders • 2 hours ago
Classic feminism at work. Seeing all the masculine energy and pride in Star Wars and wanting it for themselves. Stamping their feet until they got it. And boy did they get it good and hard. A female character who is supremely good at everything she does and is utterly flawless. Especially against the menz.The next installment? Something will happen *to* Rey that she, and only she, will be able to overcome because ‘vagina’, sorry, because ‘force’. At no point will she be portrayed as having any flaws or issues, or be in any way responsible for the events she has to fix with her vagina, sorry, ‘powers’. It will be the fault of the evil white menz or their proxies.
Predicable feminist reaction – ‘Yay! we have the strongest character in Star Wars, we won!’. With not the slightest clue that it was not the destination of the classic Star Wars characters that had us enthralled, it was their journey. Overcoming both external threats & temptations and internal demons & weaknesses was what is important, especially to men and boys. It talks to us at a profound level because it mirrors the life trajectory that nature presents to us – engage in the challenge or submit. Rey talks to women more than men for she had her powers ‘gifted’ to her, just as women are gifted with their sexual power over men.
I suspect the franchise can only become more and more feminized at this point. It’s hard to generate any tension when in every situation, in every arena, however serious the issue, all they need to do is send Rey in who will always prevail. Because vagina, sorry, ‘The Force’. Result – men and boys disengaging from it, with it limping along as some sort of grrrrl power soap opera in space. I’d like to be proved wrong, but at this point Rey’s flawless character is poison to the Star Wars universe.
Yep another institution destroyed be feminism. Not that they will care of course – the smoking ruin of the Star Wars franchise will barely be worthy of a backward glance as they move on to the next area of masculinity to attack.
And a few more men will wake up and start walking away from women. Good work.
And that about covers it.
Fuck this planet.This is only act one of three. I went in to watch this movie with the mind set this is only act one of three.
But as an individual story, it fell flat. Even if Episode 4 never was made, this film was flimsy. Maybe I missed some cues that you’re referring to, but based on Abrams’ previous projects, I doubt it has much more depth than what was presented as: A SJW-wankfest that is basically what Disney has become known for in the last few years.
Look at their comics. Look at their TV shows. Look at pretty much everything they own and everything Abrams has done and tell me that’s not true.
I just saw it and was not impressed . It’s pretty much a soap opera with lots of special effects where you are constantly trying to figure out who is related to who. The main bad guy is not a patch on darth vader and it turns out he is han solo and princess lia’s son. He gets his arse handed to him on a plate by some 15 year old chick who has never touched a light saber before,but that is only because she is luke skywalkers daughter, or so I guessed as I left before the end.
The plot, such as it was is a remake of episode 4 complete with droids carrying maps, mega weapons capable of destroying planets, a bad guy wearing a mask, a bar scene with strange aluens playing strange alien instruments, the milenium falcon being chased around by ti fighters etc etc etc.
Disapointing to say the least but I wouldn’t label it being particularly feminazi, just a bit s~~~.
“Long is the way and hard, that out of Hell leads up to light.”
So, no gina tingles? Maybe she would have got them is she saw Poe. Also, don’t forget Finn went straight to the friend zone.
Well, to be fair. Rey had just gotten into a fight, then the droid pointed out that Finn was wearing it’s friend’s jacket, this leads to them on a chase. And once that is settled, less than a minute or two later, the village they were in was attacked, with the three of them forced into getting into a ship, having a dogfight with Tie Fighters, and escaping off the planet, that Rey did not want to leave.
Then, the Falcon started having life and death mechanical issues she had to immediately fix.
Given all that, she like was not completely sure she could trust Finn. Of course she was not looking for any romance with him, because she had more important priorities on her mind, like making sure she and Finn continue staying alive.
I survived my divorce that cost me thousands of dollars. I had to scrimp and save and sacrifice. Does that make me intelligent?
If you got out of it in a way you will recover. Then, the answer is, yes. You are intelligent.
Keep in mind that on Jakku, the environment that Rey lived in did not suffer for fools.
How come the people Luke new for 30 years stayed by the Falcon?
A running gag in the Star Wars series is that, except for Han, Chewy, and Lando, everyone considers the Falcon to be a piece of junk. We fans love the Falcon because it is a very fast piece of junk.
This is also a hint that she might not a Skywalker, because if she was of the Skywalker family, she should recognize the Falcon from her childhood. And the ship she saw leaving in her vision was not the Falcon.
Also, Han mentioned that it has been stolen over and over again.
Then they love this character why?
From Rey’s personality standpoint, it deals with classic writing and what is considered the classic independent woman. This goes all the way back to Greek Mythology, and the Greek Goddess Athena. Those traits being intelligent, brave, independent/strong, and chaste.
That is PT bulls~~~.
I don’t see how you could miss this point in the prequel trilogy. But, the whole point of Anakin’s fall to the dark side was his attachments, both to his mother, Padme, and his and Padme’s unborn children.
From a personality standpoint, Rey has the right mindset for being a Jedi.
Yes we would have. Kind of like Ellen Ripley, who actually is bad ass. Did she have a s~~~ fit when Hicks was showing her how to use the pulse rifle?
Funny you should mention that scene. Up to that point, Rey and Han were getting along fine. And they did afterwards. Also, within that scene, Han even offered Rey a job as a member of his crew. It is also a strong statement of trust for one person to hand another person a weapon.
It was clear that it is not Han that Rey showed disdain for. It was the blaster pistol Rey did not like.
Rey did not even know how to use a blaster pistol. Han even had to show her not to point it at other people.
I find is VERY INTERESTING, that Rey is an expert at everything else she does, but using a blaster. And she is shown she does not even like blasters. This is a VERY BIG clue as to who Rey could be.
This is what I am talking about. There is some really sharp writing in this film that nearly everyone is missing.
Though, I have found on the internet that a few people also are picking up on these clues.
This is an example of good writing. Slipping a clue in, with most people missing the more important point of that scene. Rey do not like, nor does she know how to use a blaster pistol.
Then what was is it exactly? A Mary Sue that can do everything, even better than a guy who owned and modified his ship for decades?
I don’t really think we disagree on anything. I agree that the character is a Mary Sue.
But she isn’t the first Sue, and she certainly won’t be the last. I just don’t think it’s worth the mental energy thinking it’s feminist propaganda. I just dismiss it as bad writing and leave it at that.
Besides, seeing how little we know about the history of this character, I can easily see her being part of some “prophecy” or some s~~~ in the future movies.
". . . elle, suivant l’usage des femmes et des chats qui ne viennent pas quand on les appelle et qui viennent quand on ne les appelle pas, s’arrêta devant moi et m’adressa la parole"—Prosper Mérimée
You seem to defend this movie, a little too much, especially, for one who writes in his hobby?
So first at the droid part, how the f~~~ does Rey understand the Droid’s specific language, and who knows how many different there are? In almost all other Star Wars it has either been CP30 translating, for specific details, or it would be more of a “yes or no” thing, with R2D2, but here we have Rey, who seemingly understand fluid droid? The f~~~.
Step two, she has never flown the Millennium falcon, yet flies it like she has for 20+ years, again what the f~~~. A janitor on a Carrier carrier doesn’t know how to fly a F-15 or steer the ship, just because he was digging through it’s s~~~ for years. And she knows it in and out? Doesn’t seem like the fat owner of it, would have let her tingle with it at all, it makes no sense. Since we weren’t given any sort of specific context to the whole relation of it, other than her being a scavenger. From what we were given of details, there was no actual inclination of the owner of the scrapyard even liked the girl, let alone trust her with his personal belongings.
Step 3, we know from the film, she was left on this planet, at an early age, even if she had prior knowledge then of the force, she wouldn’t have been near this level, even Anakin needed several years of training, being the chosen one(and like creation of Darth Plagueis), also we would see Luke going through long time of training, by both Obi Wan and Yoda, through all 3 original movies. Yet here she simply hears of the legends of “the force”, and then suddenly can do s~~~ out of the blue, without actual training in this? Come on.
Step 4, training with light sabre, we know from prior movies, both original and prequels, that the acrobatics of Jedis, was also through training in the force, mind and body, she hasn’t had much of anything, yet again, after simply closing her eyes, and thinking, “of the force”, she can do the acrobatics of a Jedi Master?!
And this is just few of the WTFs with this character alone!
It’s loaded with feminist drivel.
Another MGTOW made a video of it too, and some of the hidden messages Disney also likes to throw at people.
This Star Wars: Force Awakens, doesn’t stand on it’s own, and using the, “it will explained later” excuse, simply doesn’t cut it, since the original Star Wars movies held their own, by themselves. This one falls flat on it’s face, even by copy pasting like mad, and playing it safe, I almost like the prequels more now, damn.
And this is just few of the WTFs with this character alone!
If you put the clues together, it makes a lot of sense. But, you are looking at it from the wrong angle. I don’t want to spell out what the clues lead to, because I am sure some here don’t want that.
My one complain about this forum is there are no spoiler options to hide. text with, on posts.
So, go to youtube, look up the poster, manyymedia, he has a wonderful video on who he thinks Rey really is. And I agree with his assessment. There are even a number of clues that manymedia missed, like Rey not liking, nor knowing how to use a blaster.
If you view the movie from that point of view, Rey’s character, and situation, make almost complete sense.
@faust I know what you are talking about, and those leading theories does not support or make this Mary Sue of a lazy boring character any more worth a damn.
Her progression is complete and utter bulls~~~. And her being Luke’s daughter, having had a mind wipe, wouldn’t make any of this less stupid, since she’s been on the dessert crap planet for so long, without training, like muscles, your mind degrades, if it doesn’t exercise the very thing, you wish to preserve, although training it a second time is faster, she does nothing of the sort.
Rey=Mary Sue, or lets just call her Elsa in space.
Finn is is sadly completely nonsense, he doesn’t want to kill civilians, feels conflicted about killing, moments later he kills a whole bunch of storm troopers, who were his comrades, that moment ago too.
Kylo Ren, at first presented, as incredibly strong in the force, trained warrior, has by rumours killed fellow Jedi students, so has experienced close quarter combat with intent to kill, knows to kill off witnesses, yet leaves only one guard at the girl, and strangely enough doesn’t kill off Finn, in the beginning, when he senses that something is off with him, he just ordered them to kill civilians, why not this obviously useless storm trooper as well? plot conflict.
He gets suddenly confused, when Rey starts breaking free of his mind control, he should already know from this, whether she’s family or not now, yet never says or reveals it. Or even sees this as a dangerous liability to then simply have a SINGLE guard by her, the f~~~. Again lazy writing, convenient plot device.
At Han solo confrontation, how does he not sense Han Solo, right behind him, when he sensed him, when Han and the others landed on the planet, and why the f~~~ is he at the core of this, in the first place, when he knows it’s already under fire? Lazy writing, again.
Final confrontation, he throws Rey up against a tree, with his force powers, yet doesn’t really use it afterwards, when Rey has a cliff behind her back? Finn somehow gets completely owned by a Storm Trooper with an anti Saber baton, yet is able to wound and for some time stand his ground against Kylo Ren? Even if wounded, a trained warrior like Kylo, should be able to kill off Finn in less than 4 moves. And Kylo could probably have force choked Finn to death easily as well.
Rey fight, not only is the force power of the lightsaber going to Rey seemingly stupid, in it’s length, it makes no sense how Kylo can throw people around, into walls and trees, for several meters, yet fail to force pull a lightsaber to himself. The battle that comes after is more stupid, again Kylo should have been able to finish her off quickly, but more importantly, he could easily have used force push at her, to kill her off.Lazy f~~~ing writing.
Rey=Mary Sue, or lets just call her Elsa in space.
Don’t rag on Elsa. When her powers were exposed, instead of hurting people, she just left.
Finn is is sadly completely nonsense, he doesn’t want to kill civilians, feels conflicted about killing, moments later he kills a whole bunch of storm troopers, who were his comrades, that moment ago too.
That was his first combat mission. And he was a janitor before that mission.
Kylo Ren, at first presented, as incredibly strong in the force, trained warrior, has by rumours killed fellow Jedi students, so has experienced close quarter combat with intent to kill, knows to kill off witnesses, yet leaves only one guard at the girl, and strangely enough doesn’t kill off Finn, in the beginning, when he senses that something is off with him, he just ordered them to kill civilians, why not this obviously useless storm trooper as well? plot conflict.
Kylo Ren is conflicted. He ordered the civilians killed so there were no witness. As to not killing Finn. Kylo has shown a little more self-control of his anger than most darksiders. He prefers to wreck the furniture than kill someone that the First Order has spent resources in training. And he wanted to know if it was a gun jam or not.
He gets suddenly confused, when Rey starts breaking free of his mind control, he should already know from this, whether she’s family or not now, yet never says or reveals it. Or even sees this as a dangerous liability to then simply have a SINGLE guard by her, the f~~~. Again lazy writing, convenient plot device.
Kylo was foolish to leave one guard. But, at least he left a guard. To be honest, many bad guys leave the prisoner tied up and alone.
It is like Kylo read the overlord list, but he is to emotionally immature to get the most of out of it.
At Han solo confrontation, how does he not sense Han Solo, right behind him, when he sensed him, when Han and the others landed on the planet, and why the f~~~ is he at the core of this, in the first place, when he knows it’s already under fire? Lazy writing, again.
Good question. That might be a case of lazing writing.
Final confrontation, he throws Rey up against a tree, with his force powers, yet doesn’t really use it afterwards, when Rey has a cliff behind her back? Finn somehow gets completely owned by a Storm Trooper with an anti Saber baton, yet is able to wound and for some time stand his ground against Kylo Ren? Even if wounded, a trained warrior like Kylo, should be able to kill off Finn in less than 4 moves. And Kylo could probably have force choked Finn to death easily as well.
Rey fight, not only is the force power of the lightsaber going to Rey seemingly stupid, in it’s length, it makes no sense how Kylo can throw people around, into walls and trees, for several meters, yet fail to force pull a lightsaber to himself. The battle that comes after is more stupid, again Kylo should have been able to finish her off quickly, but more importantly, he could easily have used force push at her, to kill her off.Viewers that took the time to analyze that final battle had some interesting points to say.
Before the battle, Kylo took a gut wound from Chewy’s bowcaster. Which except for Kylo, that bowcaster been a one hit kill weapon. The pain alone likely messed with Kylo’s concentration in the force, and his fights with Finn and later Rey.
Then, during the fight with Finn, Finn got a lucky hit in hurting Kylo’s right arm, which was his sword arm.
Kylo was not at his best when facing Rey in that final battle. And the tug of war with Kylo losing the lightsaber to Rey was likely in part due to Kylo being so hurt he could not fully concentrate in using the force. The fact that Kylo was still standing and fighting Rey at the end. Even chasing her. Shows that even if Kylo is an emotional manchild, he is also tough as nails when it comes to endurance. Even at that point, Anakin Skywalker in his prime would have had trouble being able to stand and fight. Say what you will about Kylo’s personality, but that is badass.
So, Kylo was severely handicapped when he faced Rey and it was not a clear victory for Rey in that fight.
In writing this is what is called giving the inexperienced hero a chance in a fight against a more powerful villain.
And for those of you wondering. It is not the characters I am defending. It is the writing. I enjoy sharp writing that has hidden nuggets of information, and clues to mysteries. I don’t like movies that just show everything upfront. I find such writing to be boring. And I don’t like people dismissing clear clues to a greater story as poor writing. Such thinking leads to episodic garbage, instead of long, enjoyable story arcs, such as in Babylon Five series.
What bothers me more is that this film was marketed to make Finn look like the Jedi when it was Rey instead. It was like the marketers snuck in this girl power s~~~ then pulled a Kojima on its audience to lure them in. Bait and switch.
On top of that, the actress for Captain Phasma said that Phasma was a “progressive woman”, but she barely does anything in the film. It was like she was there just to be there. To look cool. And she sides with the antagonist, the one feminists would look down upon.
What bothers me more is that this film was marketed to make Finn look like the Jedi when it was Rey instead. It was like the marketers snuck in this girl power s~~~ then pulled a Kojima on its audience to lure them in. Bait and switch.
Oh, I fully agree with you on that point. That bait and switch was wrong. But, that was the fault of the advertisers, not those personally making the movie, nor the movie itself.
Still, Finn’s story was also good.
@faust For Science
You said:
Then, the Falcon started having life and death mechanical issues she had to immediately fix.
How did she know how to fix a heavily modified ship better than its two owners who have had it for decades? Did she have a YT-1300 manual sitting around? Han and Chewie barely got the thing working to escape Echo Base but Miss Mary Sue can fix it no problem? Bulls~~~.
Keep in mind that on Jakku, the environment that Rey lived in did not suffer for fools.
Indeed. So where did she have the energy for staff training when it seemed she barely had enough food and water to live? Training takes energy. I don’t consider droplets of water and 1 muffin sustenance. Who taught her to fight period?
A running gag in the Star Wars series is that, except for Han, Chewy, and Lando, everyone considers the Falcon to be a piece of junk. We fans love the Falcon because it is a very fast piece of junk.
This is also a hint that she might not a Skywalker, because if she was of the Skywalker family, she should recognize the Falcon from her childhood. And the ship she saw leaving in her vision was not the Falcon.
Also, Han mentioned that it has been stolen over and over again.
Kindly, don’t tell me my Star Wars. No s~~~ everyone thinks its a piece of junk. And what does the above have to do with someone Luke doesn’t know approacing him? Because Mary Sue.
I don’t see how you could miss this point in the prequel trilogy. But, the whole point of Anakin’s fall to the dark side was his attachments, both to his mother, Padme, and his and Padme’s unborn children.
From a personality standpoint, Rey has the right mindset for being a Jedi.
Becaus I choose to miss it. When Obi-Wan tells Luke about the Jedi I never remotely got the impression they were weird, sexless monks who had to purge their emotions. Are they f~~~ing Vulcans? Anakin fell to the dark side because he was stupid and got tricked by a smarter person. See Plinkett’s reviews. Also, they don’t seem to mention anything from the PT in this movie. Granted, I may have missed it because I wasn’t paying attention after awhile.
From a bulls~~~ PT standpoint, Rey has the right mindset for being a Jedi.
Rey did not even know how to use a blaster pistol. Han even had to show her not to point it at other people.
I find is VERY INTERESTING, that Rey is an expert at everything else she does, but using a blaster. And she is shown she does not even like blasters. This is a VERY BIG clue as to who Rey could be.
This is what I am talking about. There is some really sharp writing in this film that nearly everyone is missing.
She became an expert after about two shots. And the f~~~ing idiot didn’t want to take a projectile weapon into a hostile environment becasue she can ‘handle herself’. That makes her, well, a f~~~ing idiot. You call that sharp writing?
I wanted to like her, but the more she was on screen, the more I disliked her. Spin it all you want. She’s a Mary Sue and one of the worst Star Wars characters ever. Her character has nowhere to go.
Fuck this planet.When Obi-Wan tells Luke about the Jedi I never remotely got the impression they were weird, sexless monks who had to purge their emotions.
By that time, Obiwan was a weird, sexless monk, whom had purged his emotions, and lived in a desert.
Admit it. You walked into that one. 😉
She’s a Mary Sue and one of the worst Star Wars characters ever. Her character has nowhere to go.
We were not given a direct explanation for her abilities, it is clear this will be explained in the next movie.
The writers even played with that.
When there was a problem near the end of the film, Finn commented, “Use the force.”
Han replied, “The force does not work like that.”
The writers were giving a tongue in cheek comment to Rey’s instant expert abilities. That her abilities might not be directly caused by force. Something else is going on. And in the film there were over a dozen clues and call backs as to the answer.
It is called reading between the lines. That is done a lot in mystery stories.
The other plot arcs for this story were tight. Finn’s story arc in this movie, from nobody stormtrooper running away to a person willing to stand and fight against great evil, was well done.
While much of the movie was a retool of used plots, the retool was well done. To be honest, for technical reasons I believe that battle at the Starkiller base was better than the Death Star battles from the original trilogy. Like judging the skill of brush strokes from two different paintings, showing similar pictures. That sort of technical reasons.
Taking all this into account, why would the writers make such a blatant mistake as Rey’s instant abilities. This is clearly a case of the writers building towards something in the next two movies.
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