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I like this review, especially the “Jar Jar Abrams” nickname, which fits perfectly.
This Star Wars movie even undermines the near flawless original trilogy, by simply making the “redemption of the Skywalker family” meaningless, while also butchering the prophecy of Darth Vader being the one to bring balance to the force.
I knew they’d make a mess of it, but this is beyond my wildest imaginations. The arrogance of the social justice warriors is fantastic.
Now Disney has decided to put up big obnoxious Star Wars areas in it’s parks, in some cases outright terminating rides and attractions that were actual original Disney creations.
First of all, what a waste of my time and money. Because she has to be strong and independant she has insta-knowledge and insta-skills?
If the female lead had just earned all that s~~~ over the course of the movie, I would not have cared, but just giving her that s~~~. Weak.
So typical for them to avoid a meritocracy and personal responsibility at all turns at all times.
We saw Luke earn it, we saw him go through the paces. Such lazy script writing as was displayed here is just pathetic.Second, Emo Boy Kylo-Ren is not a Sith. He’s a Dark Side user, the Sith are gone.
He does nothing to show he adheres to the Sith Code.Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free meHe displayed wrongly used rage by slashing at a wall. He does not even channel it properly.
So he misses the first step already.
They just wrote him strong (stopping a laser blast in mid-air without any effort, which is not a power in the Star Wars universe to my knowledge)
But he still gets beaten by an non-force-user and an untrained force user.
There is nothing of the Sith in Emo Boy.Just had to vent and get it off my chest.
My review of Star Wars Episode 7.
Warning, spoilers of the movie.
I just got back from watching Star Wars Episode 7.
Now, before you guys jump on me, read what I have to say.
First, on a 1 to 10 scale, ten being the best, I am giving this movie an 8.
This is my third favorite Star Wars movie. With my top one being Empire Strikes Back. Then, A New Hope. Knocking Revenge of the Sith down to number four on my personal list.
And here is why.
As a hobby, I am a writer. Due to this, I have a firm grasp of how plot lines form and flow. How characterizations are done. How it is not only what is mentioned that is important, but what is not mentioned.
This is the first act of a trilogy and I judge the movie as just that.
And mystery abounds in this movie, more so than one would realize.
The bad points, the pacing and editing of this film hurt it. They fit to movies into one. Still, a good move.
Rey being an instant expert and Kylo Ren’s behavior, I will get to in a little bit.
Neutral points. Such as what we would expect from a Star Wars movie.
Music. Standard John William flair.
Special effects were top notch.
The acting and direction wavered a little back and forth, but all in all, it was okay.
The good points.
Vader is always there in the background in this movie, if you know where to look. And I am not just talking about Kylo Ren.
Vader casts a shadow a long on this movie, and in very interesting ways. In some ways people have missed.
This movie was made by fans of Farscape, the Star Wars Dark Forces game series, X-Wing vs Tie Fighter/Rebel Assault game series, and Rogue Squadron book series, various anime, from Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind to other types of anime. With a little bit of Star Trek III Search for Spock and Fellowship of the Rings thrown into this film.
This movie has Farscape style snark, sarcasm, humor, and injokes, and it shows.
And there is one really good Tropic Thunder joke in this movie, that is even a plot point.
The genre savvy, common sense, and trope nods shown by all the cast shows. And I mean this in a good way.
The writing is sharp. I mean sharp. And the more I think on that, the more I realize what we think is politically correct flaws, maybe intentionally done for other reasons.
This movies writing and scenes show a lot of clues and it makes me wonder. If the writers are doing everything else, are these other problems intentional as part of a grander plan. And given this is just the first act. I believe that is the case.
The actions scenes and scenery is heavily inspired by the Dark Forces game series and the X-Wing vs Tie Fighter/Rebel Assault games.
The dogfighting scenes that were like the X-Wing vs Tie Fighter/Rebel Assault games.
And the scenes in the Starkiller base, felt like they pulled a game level, including a type of mission from that game, from one of the imperial parts of the Dark Forces games. And they did a good job of this.
When it comes to the stormtroopers. These are not clone troops. These are not Imperial troops. These stormtroopers are more akin Sebacean Peacekeepers from Farscape. And I mean this in a good way.
Finn is just one example of this. Throughout the movie the stormtroopers are shown to have some common sense.
Also, these stormtroopers know how to shoot, and so does the Resistance.
With the Resistance bringing their A game.
General Hux was not boasting. His stormtroopers are better than the other stormtroopers.
None of the characters in this movie are idiots. Even Kylo, when he learned of Poe’s escape at the beginning of the film realizes who had helped Poe out.
Finn is clearly the sane man of this insane roller-coaster. He is very likeable character. He also puts a face on the stormtroopers in general. Not all of them are evil. And some of them can be very skilled at what they are trained to do.
Finn shows some real guile on the fly. But, his inexperience shows. Still, Finn is a very solid character.
The chemistry between Finn and Rey is more like teammates thrown together. They are friends, but nothing else.
Rey. personality wise, she is brash, independent, and a bit arrogant. That being said, she will listen to reason. Personality wise, she is okay.
Poe. He is the face of the rebellion. He doesn’t get much screen time, but when he is shown, he steals the show. He isn’t imply to be an ace pilot. He is shown to be an ace pilot. And his team is close to as good as he is.
The bromance between Finn and Poe is evident. I have never seen to male characters happy to see each other. I haven’t seen such good chemistry between two men since Murtaugh and Riggs in the Lethal Weapon series.
On General Hux. I would like to know his tailor. Because I did not know some could make pants that would fit the size of his b~~~~.
Even without the force, Hux is a skilled political rival to Kylo Ren. He is not afraid of Kylo Ren, and he is extremely commitment.
Actually, given Kylo Ren more dangerous of a politically rival than Vader would be, because being more emotionally immature, would make Kylo more dangerous.
Hux is the man Tarkin wished he was. Hux even knew when it was time to leave.
This felt less like a rehash of the First Deathstar battle, and instead retool of that battle. Like those that made this movie were showing how that First Deathstar battle should have happened.
This battle was not just one hero that made the single shoot. But, a team effort pouring on the firepower, which made the battle more appealing to watch.
And even if the lightsaber battle has gone differently, the ground mission was already accomplished, and the resistance would have still won this battle.
No force needed. No pun intended.
Chewy. Well, Chewy gets a lot of respect in this film. He is not a wallflower in the movie. He does a lot of things in the movie. And he has at least a couple of admirers. And the only reason Chewy was not consoling Leia at the end of the film was he was more concerned in making sure his living friend would be alright. This is a priority issue. And I can completely understand this point of view.
If you are a fan of Chewy, you will likely like the way this film treats Chewy.
There are several cameos by various actors playing side characters that many people will recognize. With a few of these cameo characters surviving.
When it comes to Kylo being immature, he always felt like a mini-boss.
And I feel that next movie will show parallels between Rey’s force training with Luke, and Kylo’s force training with Snoke.
I also help that Finn and Poe characters team up in the next movie. They got great chemistry.
Snoke seems to be a paradox. He does not act like one would expect a dark force lord to be. From the way Snoke acts, he does not strike me as being a Sith. Skilled darksider, yes. But, not a Sith.
Sith usually have a zero tolerance to failure. Snoke does not immediately kill someone due to failure. Such as Snoke not killing Hux for the lose of the Starkiller Base. I could name on one hand the number of Dark Side Lords in Star Wars EU that would have such a calm attitude, as Snoke, in losing a major weapon, forces, and the lead on Luke, without killing anyone.
I am calling it. The Snoke we see is not likely the real Snoke. Snoke is likely not his real name.
The Snoke we see is an enlarged hologram. With the real Snoke being the man behind the certain like from the Wizard of OZ.
Snoke might even had a cyborg droid that looks like his fake holographic imagine, with the real Snoke using the force to control the droid.
From Snoke’s reactions in the movie, I get the sense that Snoke main goal is not really to take over the Republic.
I believe that Snoke’s main goal is his intent to bury the Skywalker family, including Kylo. And this goal is very personal to him. And everything else, including Galactic conquest, is icing on his cake.
Even Han pointing this out to Kylo, and Kylo did not respond to Han’s accusation.
I am not going to say who I believe Snoke to really be. But, if it is who I think it is, the third movie in this trilogy, after Snoke’s identity is revealed, is going to rock hard, in a very good way.
On Rey instant expertise status. There is one thing that everyone else seems to be missing when it comes to Rey’s instant expertise.
Rey has no clue on using a blaster. When Han offered her one, she did not even want it. And she showed she had not idea how to handle it, let along really shoot it.
Yet, she is an expert at everything else she is shown doing. Including, using a staff and a lightsaber. Why is this?
If it was just the force that was making Rey an expert, then why make it so that she would not be an instant expert with using a blaster.
To quote Han, “The force does not work that way.”
Actually, a number Star Wars characters, with force abilities, have been shown to be very, very dangerous with various types of firearms.
This is what I am talking about on the sharp writing this film has. This is a big clue that everyone else seems to have missed.
Something else is going on. And if what is going on is what I think is going on. These skills shown by Rey will be considered clues of a greater story. And this will cause me to up my personal rank of this movie from an 8 to a 9.
I forgot to mention that I find it hilarious that Finn really got into being the white knight after he took off his white stormtrooper armor.
I enjoyed the movie. Not as good as the original, but better then the prequels. Poe was awesome and I wished he got more screen time, but not a big deal. I could believe Rey beating up those guys since she probably had some skill with that stick, but flying the Millennium Falcon and knowing everything about it? And then knowing Jedi mind tricks? Anakin couldn’t do that at a young age, Luke couldn’t, even in the video games you have to level the s~~~ up yet Rei can do what took characters like Qui Gon, Obi Wan, and Yoda years to do? Expect this to be a thing. The movie next year, Star Wars Rouge One, will also star a woman as its lead so expect the same thing.
After the movie my friend and I sat watching the credits talking about all the plot holes and issues the movie had, mainly Rey being a Mary Sue.
Poe. He is the face of the rebellion. He doesn’t get much screen time, but when he is shown, he steals the show. He isn’t imply to be an ace pilot. He is shown to be an ace pilot. And his team is close to as good as he is.
The bromance between Finn and Poe is evident. I have never seen to male characters happy to see each other. I haven’t seen such good chemistry between two men since Murtaugh and Riggs in the Lethal Weapon series.
Even without the force, Hux is a skilled political rival to Kylo Ren. He is not afraid of Kylo Ren, and he is extremely commitment.
Yes the bromance between Poe and Finn was great. I hope to see more of it in Episode VIII. I look at Kylo Ren as a flawed villain and much different from Vader. Palpatine took a young Anakin in and begin to groom him. By the end of episode III Anakin had already been training with the Jedi order for 13 years and by A New Hope 32 years had passed so Darth Vader was a very experienced force user a commander who had earned the respect and fear among the crew of the Empire. Kylo Ren is much younger and hadn’t been training with Luke for very young. Given both his young age as well as Hux’s young age and Kylo Ren’s lack of skill and his mental state it made sense that Hux did not respect Kylo Ren the same way Tarkin did Vader.
Yes the bromance between Poe and Finn was great. I hope to see more of it in Episode VIII. I look at Kylo Ren as a flawed villain and much different from Vader. Palpatine took a young Anakin in and begin to groom him. By the end of episode III Anakin had already been training with the Jedi order for 13 years and by A New Hope 32 years had passed so Darth Vader was a very experienced force user a commander who had earned the respect and fear among the crew of the Empire. Kylo Ren is much younger and hadn’t been training with Luke for very young. Given both his young age as well as Hux’s young age and Kylo Ren’s lack of skill and his mental state it made sense that Hux did not respect Kylo Ren the same way Tarkin did Vader.
I agree. By the way, I meant to say Hux is competent. Not commitment.
Also, to be fair about Kylo. He does like to damage property. And he is immature. But, to be honest. When is comes to his subordinates, he tends to take the approach of it being better to destroy things than to kill skilled officers. That is actually a step up in leadership skills than Vader had. Also, the only reason Kylo was more aggressive with the officer telling him about the escape, was when he learned more details how they escape. And it was more of a, ‘you got to be kidding me’, moment for him.
And Kylo is one tough guy. As others pointed out, he survived a lot of injuries at the end of the film, while still being able to fight. He is definitely tough. And he actually has some common sense. When he learned that Rey was force sensitive, he first move was to tell Snoke to send her for training, and not to kill her. He prefers to use people over just immediately killing them. Unless he sees not use for them, like the villagers at the beginning of the film. Which to be honest, may have been more of a “no witnesses” moment than anything else.
As a character, I believe Kylo is salvageable. With much of his immaturity stemming from his wavering attitude to his family. Which is put to rest at the end his movie.
Back to the clues I am talking about.
There are other clues episode seven to what I am saying. And they are so obvious to a diehard Star Wars fan. Those two force techniques that Kylo is good at. That mind probe (the interrogation scenes) and force stasis (that holding trick of the blaster fire and Poe at the beginning of the film). Those are advanced Jedi force techniques. They are not Sith force techniques.
Other point, Luke did not know these force techniques. Yoda would not teach Luke mind probing, because such abilities are questionable at best. With Yoda unsure at the time that Luke would not fall to the dark side. And Luke did not know the force stasis technique because, in episode six, Luke had to resort to force choking the guards at Jabba’s palace. Those guards were reaching for their throat in that scene.
So, it is more than likely that Snoke taught Kylo those force techniques.
How would Snoke know these advanced Jedi force techniques?
The mysteries to this movie deepen.
We can agree to disagree.
I do not see your positive points. Maybe the bro-mance a little bit, but it seemed strange to me. They did not bond that well in the limited time they had together.
There was virtually no character building so I had no empathy with almost any of the good guys or the New Republic. Oh, it got blasted to bits? Pfff, who cares.
If Rey or Finn got killed, I would not have cared, hell, it would probably have given Han more time and saved this movie for me.
I am p~~~ed, yes, but viewing this movie objectively it was sloppy writing with too much stolen and too much convenience. Granted, I am not a writer, but if I have to be one to enjoy the movie, they did a poor job.I am p~~~ed, yes, but viewing this movie objectively it was sloppy writing with too much stolen and too much convenience. Granted, I am not a writer, but if I have to be one to enjoy the movie, they did a poor job.
Skillful writing can be sometimes mistaken for bad writing, if the whole story has yet to be revealed. This is only act one of three. I went in to watch this movie with the mind set this is only act one of three. That is likely why I enjoyed the film, while others did not. Due to some, I am not saying you, were expecting this movie to wrapped it’s plots into a nice bow by the time the credits started rolling.
For fans…. this is a new remake trailer for The Empire Strikes Back. Really great. Makes me want to watch it again. Tonight.
Do…… or do not watch it. There is no try.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.I have seen some fan made trailers of movies that were already out. Some of them are very good. Thanks, Keymaster.
Good preview. I wish I knew which version of the Star Wars music they used. It was a good slow beat that fit the preview very well.
Yes, it could be mistaken for bad writing, it also could not.
I am comparing this to the original trilogy. They were good in and of themselves, in my view.
I did not get that feeling here.
So yes, from your viewpoint, it may be that this turns out to be brilliant, but for now, I feel cheated.
And if in the end it turns out to be a masterpiece (which I highly doubt), I will accept it and correct myself.For fans…. this is a new remake trailer for The Empire Strikes Back. Really great. Makes me want to watch it again. Tonight.
Do…… or do not watch it. There is no try.
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F~~~ING EMPIRE BABY!That was bad ass.
Fuck this planet.An interesting line in SW Ep 07 that some people might have missed, which may leave a clue to the plot of episodes 8 and 9. Rey mentioned there was a rumor that Luke at one point was looking for the homeworld of the Jedi. This is not the world that Luke was hiding on.
The homeworld of the Jedi is Tython. (Though, Rey I believe called it a different name. It was a quit line so I am not sure,) If you have played SW:TOR you know which planet I am talking about. This is where the original light side/dark side split happened among force users.
I could see that being a goal in finding that planet for the next two films. The planet is a nexus point of the force, which a skilled force users could tap into.
It would be brilliant if the final battle of this trilogy would to take place between the last two trained force users (likely by the end of episode 9, Rey and Snoke) at the Forge (mountain area where lightsabers were made) where the first war between light and dark ended. Quite literally the entire Star Wars franchise would come full circle with the find victor being decided where the whole dispute started.
Yes, it could be mistaken for bad writing, it also could not.
I am comparing this to the original trilogy. They were good in and of themselves, in my view.
I did not get that feeling here.
So yes, from your viewpoint, it may be that this turns out to be brilliant, but for now, I feel cheated.
And if in the end it turns out to be a masterpiece (which I highly doubt), I will accept it and correct myself.I am glad we can understand each other. Also, except for Vader living, Episode 4 was a very tight movie, with most of the direct plotlines tied up. My one complaint of Star Wars Episode 4 was that at the end Chewy deserved a metal too. And in Episode Seven Chewy finally gets the respect he deserves.
By the way, I have to say, on the fan made trailer Keymaster posted used the Episode 7 trailer music that we can agree that the music in SW Ep 7 was the standard John Williams goodness.
Also, this might upset you, but as you likely already know a lot of the Stormtroopers were cameos of several leading film stars.
Including, Daniel Craig (James Bond) no only cameoed as a Stormtrooper, his designation in the credits was JB-007. And he playing the Stormtrooper that Rey used the jedi mind trick on.
So, that does answer one of those great movie questions many of us have wondered. Yes. James Bond can be jedi mind tricked. And given how often James Bond things below the waist, I agree that is the case.
Why do we even need 8 or 9? Rey can already do everything. I have zero interest in what happens next. I’ll watch the next two by illegal means. I’m not paying for that s~~~.
Fuck this planet.Why do we even need 8 or 9? Rey can already do everything. I have zero interest in what happens next. I’ll watch the next two by illegal means. I’m not paying for that s~~~.
It is reported that the director and one of the writers is Rian Johnson. This guy does dark, very weird, but very good projects. He even directed some of the darker episodes of the Breaking Bad series.
From those known to be involved in making episode 8, that it is hinted that episode 8 is going to be very, very dark. A few of the casting rumors also raise some eyebrows. If this is the case, episode 8 might actually turn out to be better than Empires Strikes Back.
Why do we even need 8 or 9? Rey can already do everything. I have zero interest in what happens next. I’ll watch the next two by illegal means. I’m not paying for that s~~~.
It is reported that the director and one of the writers is Rian Johnson. This guy does dark, very weird, but very good projects. He even directed some of the darker episodes of the Breaking Bad series.
From those known to be involved in making episode 8, that it is hinted that episode 8 is going to be very, very dark. A few of the casting rumors also raise some eyebrows. If this is the case, episode 8 might actually turn out to be better than Empires Strikes Back.
Either you’re on the Disney payroll or you don’t know what you’re talking about…
You’re entitled to your opinion…. if it even is your opinion…. You sound like one of the legion of Disney cyber-hucksters to be honest…..
The whole thing is an aberation and disaster……
I’ve just spent the past two days rewatching a fantastic torrent I downloaded of the original trilogy ‘despecialised’ basically the three films stripped of all the dodgy cartoon CGI characters and Greedo shot first bollocks and taking the whole thing back to basics…..
If you still have a soul and any moral sense Mr Faust then I suggest you get a hold of this version of the trilogy, watch it, enjoy it, and we’ll have no more fake-enthusiasm about these appaling new Disney so called Star-Wars films.
The real thing is out there.
HARMY’S STAR WARS DESPECIALIZED EDITION HD – V2.5 MKV IS OUT NOW
Available on all good torrent servers.
Star Wars is three films…. the other things are merely ill-advised corporate ventures/scams which I will pay no heed to.
Just got back from the movie.
I was as much into Star Wars as any little boy was (LEGOs, a few toys, etc), but never the convention-hardcore type. I saw all the prequels in the theaters and I didn’t remember their being that bad (but, of course, I was just a kid at the time, so they could be as terrible as people say they are).
I understand why people are going into raptures about this movie. I thought the movie was very Star Wars. Had pretty much the same plot, same characters, exact same conflict (“find droid that has super secret plans!”), you have a new Darth Vader (a bit whiny and throws temper tantrums, but a guy with a scary mask and voice nevertheless), new Luke Skywalker (except she seems to be awesome at everything from the get go) on the same desert planet. The last battle even had a trench-run scene fro Christ’s sake.
People like it because they liked Star Wars and this movie is pretty much that.
I have my gripes about the plot (people have already pointed that out here), but I really feel that my having those complaints, while legitimate and founded, means that the movie is not for me. I wanted something original and fresh (that’s what rotten tomatoes said the movie was). And what we got was . . . the same.
I’ll almost certainly see the next few movies (the franchise is, after all, a staple of Western culture at this point). But not in theaters.
To the guys here, talking about feminism and how it’s ruining everything: you guys legitimately sound like conspiracy theorists. I didn’t like the new Luke either, thought she was just poorly written (and obnoxious hero), but that doesn’t mean she’s feminist propaganda. Yes, the story doesn’t hold up from a plot perspective. Yes, you’re right she’s OP. But since when has any Hollywood movie had a good plot?
I’ll admit, when I got out of the movie, I do admit that I thought it was a bit feminized (why are there female pilots!). But I thought that if I started going around and seeing in everything evidence that feminists are ruining everything, I would be just like the feminists, who see in everything evidence of the patriarchy.
Besides, the female pilots thing was really realistic: It’s been decades, everything’s been conquered by the men, everyone’s safe now, and the now established and secure Republic no doubt has had its feminist movement and affirmative action.
". . . elle, suivant l’usage des femmes et des chats qui ne viennent pas quand on les appelle et qui viennent quand on ne les appelle pas, s’arrêta devant moi et m’adressa la parole"—Prosper Mérimée
Why do we even need 8 or 9? Rey can already do everything. I have zero interest in what happens next. I’ll watch the next two by illegal means. I’m not paying for that s~~~.
It is reported that the director and one of the writers is Rian Johnson. This guy does dark, very weird, but very good projects. He even directed some of the darker episodes of the Breaking Bad series.
From those known to be involved in making episode 8, that it is hinted that episode 8 is going to be very, very dark. A few of the casting rumors also raise some eyebrows. If this is the case, episode 8 might actually turn out to be better than Empires Strikes Back.
I disagree.
I’ve already heard a rumor they’re casting a Latina woman for the next movie, so they obviously haven’t learned anything from this movies backlash.
There is no way on this God’s earth it will be better than Empire. Not in 1 million years. Do you really think Disney will let one of their princesses go through anything remotely bad as whas what Luke did?
Better than Empire? Come on dude.
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