If you want to complain about the movie, I am more than happy to debate with you on the subject.
@FaustforScience, what if someone wants to complain about the movie but NOT debate you? What if a man just wants to come to a MGTOW forum and express an opinion without a Disney fanboy immediately responding with, “o your wrong and here’s a bullet list of 56 reasons why you’re wrong!”
You even compulsively responded to kbbroiler – who seemed to be speaking to everyone except you – but what you said will not go unchallenged.
The mistake is that some here are making is they confuse a strong female lead as automatically being feminist.
NO. Not one man made a ‘mistake’ in this forum calling out this movie as feminist. Those are opinions, and every man’s opinion on this is valid. NONE ARE MISTAKEN.
Mistakes are errors of fact, like thinking the heated plasma of a blaster is a ‘laser’, or that TOR can explain anything in this movie when JJ Abrams said he was deliberately going in a different direction. Those are mistakes. Those are errors.
What they are not, is an invitation to debate. Don’t expect me to.
@kbbroiler – sorry to hear this has spoiled your whole MGTOW experience, but speaking for myself (and both I and others said exactly this above) – I wanted to enjoy this movie. I went into it knowing there was a female lead – she’s not the first female Jedi by a long shot – and having seen trailers that suggested a great Star Wars movie was coming. Like many here I grew up with Star Wars – I was 6 years old in 1977 when it first came out, the absolute perfect age. I went on that journey with Luke as he grew over 3 movies from a farmboy with a talent for flying but nothing else – couldn’t stand up in a bar, couldn’t wield a light saber without getting zapped etc – and together we grew up. In the end Luke still wasn’t the equal of the Emperor, but he had the courage – twice – to embrace death rather than give in to the dark side, and that was rewarded. He didn’t have to be the best at everything, he just had to learn to do the right thing.
So I was as excited as anyone to see The Force Awakens. And when the curtains rolled back, I saw some great action, some great effects, some beloved old friends, and a genuine ‘Star Warsy’ movie.
Unfortunately I also saw a totally unoriginal plot, rehashed characters that were not a patch on the original, a Mary Sue in the lead role to fulfill JJ Abrams stated purpose of introducing ‘diversity’ to Star Wars – not focusing on quality, or originality, or greatness, but politics – and scene after scene of s~~~ty, lazy writing.
FINN: Kylo wants the prisoner.
JAILER: Sure, take him, whatever, I don’t care. I’m not going to check with anyone, or clear it with my superiors, or do my job in any way whatever. The word of an anonymous janitor trooper with no documentation is fine.
FINN: Thanks.
LEIA: Do you have a plan?
HAN: You’re not going to like it… [offscreen] hey JJ, am I meant to wink at the camera when I say that?
CHEWBACCA: We’ve known each other nearly 40 years and you only now want to use my crossbow? Never worried about it when you were young enough to weild it properly, but you want it now? Why?
HAN: Reasons, Chewie! Reasons!
REY: Well, time to join the Resistance! Let’s go.
FINN: Yeah, well, no. I mean yeah, I will, of course, but first I’m going to pretend to not join and go off to the Outer Rim. See, those guys over there are going to give me a lift.
REY: Why?
FINN: O it’s writing Rey! See, they taught us in Writing 101 that you have to have ‘conflict’. Now you and I get to argue, you get to look sad, I get to look conflicted… writing. It’s all in Aristotle, don’t you know?
REY: But Finn, this movie is going to be watched by half the f~~~ing human race and NO ONE is going to believe for one second that you are leaving! That’s not conflict, that’s just lazy bulls~~~.
FINN: But they did in Ep IV: Han took off and then miraculously reappeared at the Death Star. Everyone loved that, so they have to love this! And our Death Star’s even bigger! See, now THAT’s writing! Bigger, I tells ya!
REY: Enough with the exclamation points, that’s lazy too. And no, it’s not like Han. It was established throughout the whole of Ep IV that Han was not hanging around, he took the job short term, told Jabba he was coming back, had a bounty hunter try to shoot him (luckily he shot first), told the Princess that he was only there for the money etc. When he left, it was consistent with his plot arc. You don’t have a plot arc, Finn, you’re all over the place. First you’re so traumatised at seeing your brothers-in-arms killed you decide to run off, then you bravely bust someone out of prison with a simple trick,
FINN: It was a GREAT trick Rey, a really well written great trick!
REY: …then you just gun down hordes of your brothers-in-arms to get away, then you risk your life helping me, now you’re abandoning me… it makes no sense, Finn. Just come with me to the Resistance and we can focus in the 3rd act – blowing up the Death Star.
FINN: Starkiller.
REY: Sorry, Starkiller.
FINN: Look, we both know that’s going to happen but just give me my moment, ok? I get this moment of conflict, then it’s all about you. Just give me my moment, ok?
REY: Alright, alright… but if you had a proper story arc, maybe you wouldn’t have to resort to this sort of s~~~, that’s all I’m saying, and it wouldn’t HAVE to be all about me. All I’m saying.
FINN: [under breath] I think we all know why it’s about you, you privileged white bitch…
REY: Excuse me?
FINN: Nothing, nothing…. Lookout, TIE fighters!
S~~~ty, lazy writing, scene after scene. Surely a MGHOW can complain a bit, @kbbroiler? It’s not like we’re the only ones….
RoyDal 3 years, 10 months ago.
